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Wifi Tethering and Mobile Hotspot Confusion

Heres what I understand:
$30 Unlimited Data plan to the phone (as usual)
Optional $20 Wifi Tethering with 2GB cap (through Verizon App?)
When 2.2 comes out, will the built in Android Wifi hotspot be removed? Or will it work without the $20 wifi plan?

They have to disable it. Otherwise, who in their right mind is going to pay for something when there's software already on the phone that allows you to do it?
I guess I'll just be sticking to PdaNet. Nice try though, VZW.

Yeah, darn. Hopefully the geniuses here can find some way to reenable built in wifi tethering so that vzw cant tell that its being tethered. I want wifi on my ipad

does this mean there is a high chance this phone will be un-rootable? because of http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/

2.2 source code may be released to the carriers but they can change it however they want to fit thier hardware and needs.
So if they want to take out the free wifi hotspot capabilities in 2.2 for the X or other devices and still charge for wifi hotspot capabilities with 2gb caps for 20 bux then guess what, they can.
PDAbnet may do wifi tethering but that is different from wifi hotspotting to multiple devices

remember that once rooted you can flash different roms and install any apps to your hearts content

Pitnefor said:
does this mean there is a high chance this phone will be un-rootable? because of http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
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This doesn't really have any bearing on whether the phone will be unrootable - IMO every phone is rootable, it is just a matter of finding an exploit... Hopefully this phone will be easier than the last one I had (Droid ERIS :-/)

This is not correct. The Milestone has been rooted but no access to the bootloader has been had meaning no custom Tom's.
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Here is a few things to keep in mind..
The Verizon 3G app is infrastructure, thus it works with things like PSP and Nintendo DS, which is why i keep it. The Wireless tether apps are only ad-hoc for now.
From what ive been told, the verizon app loads a different firmware before running.
Now, what verizon can do and has done in the past, especially on windows mobile phones, is take out a feature like wifi hotspot in an OS, and put their own in its place.
do NOT be surprised if VZW does the same thing with 2.2 and yes, it is 20 a month for a measly 2gb on the hot spot app, but wireless tether is unlimited for 30
this is why i ONLY use the hot app for PSP and DS and the rest wi-t for root
not to mention, i am not even sure if the 2.2 is ad-hoc or infrastructure.. anyone know?

This is how the USB Tethering works for Verizon's 2.2 FroYo build, and I'll safely assume that it'll be the same for WiFi:
When you connect via USB Tethering, the phone directs you to a Verizon webpage (https://dunsp.vzw.com/selfProvisioning/SelfProvisioningServlet) which informs you of the package costs, and gives the phone number to add the package.
Interestingly enough, this only occurs if you tether it's 3G connection and not it's WiFi connection.
You may wonder why you'd want to tether a phone's WiFi connection via USB.. well.. personally I just pay for the Boingo mobile hotspot ($7.99/mo), which will work on my iPad or Droid, and if I need to use my PC, I tether my Droid's WiFi to my laptop. Saves $9.99/mo.

Wifi tether, infrastructure mode?

So I currently own a Thunderbolt on Verizon as well as a wifi only galaxy tab and a wifi only xoom.
I also have a G2X on a 2 week trial. I was going to transfer me and my gf's phones over from Verizon.
I have my G2X rooted already and I have wireless tether installed. It works but my Xoom and my Galaxy tab won't recognize it. I'm assuming this is because it's running in ad-hoc mode and not infrastructure.
If this something that can be changed with kernal upgrade or custom roms or will this phone forever broadcast ad-hoc? This is pretty important to me as it's one of my primary purposes for switching to tmobile. (4g in my area vs none for verizon as well as battery life.)

all the 3 version is infrastructure mode the 2 version is in ad hoc. try it out should work not sure yet tho. http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list

I feel like a tard now actually. I'm so used to having verizon I didn't realize that T-Mobile didn't take out the stock android mobile hotspot app.
Does anyone know if t-mobile makes you sign up for a tethering plan to use it? I was able to fire it up and connect both my Xoom and my galaxy tab just fine.. just don't want a suprise in my bill.

NeutronBomb said:
I feel like a tard now actually. I'm so used to having verizon I didn't realize that T-Mobile didn't take out the stock android mobile hotspot app.
Does anyone know if t-mobile makes you sign up for a tethering plan to use it? I was able to fire it up and connect both my Xoom and my galaxy tab just fine.. just don't want a suprise in my bill.
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Just use it.
If you got error page, you simply add tethering option or just change browser agent (but I don't think you'll get in trouble if you tether with Android tablets).

As long as you have an unlimited data package youll be fine...they have a 2gig & 5gig. Once you go over those limits it will still work, just not as fast as before you went over the data cap. No issues with mine tho, my hotspot works fine with various devices
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access control
I keep getting access control disabled when I use either Android Wifi tethering apps I don't have a hotspot app in my G2X I went and downloaded via android any solutions to making this work??

JeffR714 said:
I keep getting access control disabled when I use either Android Wifi tethering apps I don't have a hotspot app in my G2X I went and downloaded via android any solutions to making this work??
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It's not an app, it's in the wireless network settings. Same place as wifi-bluetooth and all that. Just a check box to turn it on.
Funny story about the wireless tether for root users app.
So when I posted this that it will only work in ad-hoc mode, I found a workaround for my xoom to connect before I realized there was built in hotspot. The built in hotspot works great and it's infrastructure mode, but like my thunderbolt and droid x before it, won't stay connected in my office for some reason.
I tried the wireless tether program and low and behold it stays connected firmly in my office. Must be something about it being ad-hoc because all the infrastructure mode tethering methods I've tried will not stay connected in my office.. must be some intereference or something.

[Q] Possible Tethering Warning??

I have the Captivate through ATT which I upgraded to the Gingerbread and rooted. I uninstalled the tethering manager and have been using my phone as a wifi hotspot and at times using the usb tethering. I haven't done that for about a month now but just received this via text -->> "AT&T Free Msg: Did you know tethering your Smartphone to a computer requires a tethering plan? Pls call 866-975-0003 for details or visit att.com/dataplans."
Should I take this as a warning? If this is a warning, I thought it was difficult for ATT to detect tethering through an Android phone and easy for them to detect tethering through an iPhone. Also, is it unwise to use usb tethering??
I had a Nokia E71x prior and was able to tether all I want. I didn't need a tethering plan and I was, and still am, grandfathered in the unlimited data plan. I would think that I, and anyone else, should be allowed to tether without adding a new feature.

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You might try a different rom. I have been using CWM9 and Dark Knights 4.0.4 ICS for quite a while. I am on AT&T and have never got that message to this point. I have a friend on AT&t who was just trying out a phone that would normally need a data plan (which he did not have) and he got the message on the 3rd day. Maybe this is just hit and miss, but I am OK so far.

[Q] Wifi hotspot/Mobile AP

So I'm looking at going from the Samsung Vibrant (rooted) to the new One S. One thing that I love on the Vibrant is the Mobile AP (wifi hotspot) feature from the root. Does anyone know about wifi hotspot on the One S? Is this going to be available out of the box? Additional charge to use? Or will I have to root the phone again to get "free" wifi hotspot? Thanks!

It's available out of the box, but here's the thing:
It COULD be the "rigged" hotspot that contacts T-Mo and tells them what's up. It's even called T-Mobile Hotspot in the app drawer. I'm not trusting it. I'll wait for CM9 to get better and use the native tethering that doesn't possibly phone home.

It is called "mobile hotspot" in the app drawer and yes you will need to buy the wifi tether from t-mobile for 14.99/ month. but they are offering it for free right now.

You can always root and install OpenGarden or another root-required tethering app. That may be a way to get around T-Mo's "phone-home" tethering.
I'm looking forward to CM9 becoming fully functional for this phone, and consequently, rigged-free tethering. The way it SHOULD be.

[Q] Android Tethering

I have been a customer of Virgin Mobile for years. When I purchase my new LG Volt they said I had to move to a new plan that went from $25/mo to $35/mo because it uses 3G or 4G or some such thing. The plan was for 300 minutes a month and unlimited data and supposedly stayed the same when moving to the new plan.
Anyway, on my old phone I could tether and since I had unlimited data in both cases I thought that I could tether my new phone to my pc like I did the old one. Didn't happen. Seems VM is now blocking tethering unless you purchase something call HOTSPOT for more money.
So my question is:
Is it possible to override the blocking of tethering on a phone and use your data plan with your pc tethered to your phone? I would think with a rooted phone there would be a way to fake out the phone to make it think the data is from the phone rather than a tethered device.
Anyone have any ideas?

JimReid said:
I have been a customer of Virgin Mobile for years. When I purchase my new LG Volt they said I had to move to a new plan that went from $25/mo to $35/mo because it uses 3G or 4G or some such thing. The plan was for 300 minutes a month and unlimited data and supposedly stayed the same when moving to the new plan.
Anyway, on my old phone I could tether and since I had unlimited data in both cases I thought that I could tether my new phone to my pc like I did the old one. Didn't happen. Seems VM is now blocking tethering unless you purchase something call HOTSPOT for more money.
So my question is:
Is it possible to override the blocking of tethering on a phone and use your data plan with your pc tethered to your phone? I would think with a rooted phone there would be a way to fake out the phone to make it think the data is from the phone rather than a tethered device.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Pda net can be used for tethering.. If ur phone doesn't support tethering...

Yes pda net will be perfect for you but its a pc software and it will be perfect for you only then if your phone doesn't support tethering
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JimReid said:
I have been a customer of Virgin Mobile for years. When I purchase my new LG Volt they said I had to move to a new plan that went from $25/mo to $35/mo because it uses 3G or 4G or some such thing. The plan was for 300 minutes a month and unlimited data and supposedly stayed the same when moving to the new plan.
Anyway, on my old phone I could tether and since I had unlimited data in both cases I thought that I could tether my new phone to my pc like I did the old one. Didn't happen. Seems VM is now blocking tethering unless you purchase something call HOTSPOT for more money.
So my question is:
Is it possible to override the blocking of tethering on a phone and use your data plan with your pc tethered to your phone? I would think with a rooted phone there would be a way to fake out the phone to make it think the data is from the phone rather than a tethered device.
Anyone have any ideas?
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There's a few different options, but USB tethering with PdaNet is the easiest and probably the best, so long as you only need the one connection. It doesn't require root, and USB tethering takes far less juice than wifi tethering does. It uses a companion app on your PC, and there's an option to "hide tether usage", which creates a sorta VPN which prevents the provider from knowing how you're using the data. This should work for you, but I can't confirm for certain. PdaNet is $8 (well worth it), but there's a free trial version so you can test before purchasing (it cuts your connection off after ~10 minutes and you have to reload the app).
Any method to bypass wifi tether provisioning will require root plus using the hotspot generates a ton of heat and will nuke your battery in very short order. Which is all well and good if you want to root anyway. I use Fabio Grasso's Wifi Tether Router. It's $2.50 (and well worth it). It can be a bit tricky to set up, as different phones require different settings. Plus he's Italian, so his English isn't the best. But he'll respond to an email if you're having difficulty, and it's regularly updated for new Android versions, new devices, and bug fixes. PdaNet should be your main method, but it never hurts to have both in case you need a hotspot for a laptop or tablet while away from home. You can actually use both simultaneously, which I do at home to provide a connection to my PC, tablet, and any phone that doesn't have the SIM card in.

Thanks to all of you responding. It seems to work find with USB tethering which will serve my purposes but the wifi tethering didn't seem to work right off so I'll have to play with it. It gave the same error about contacting my provider because it doesn't support HotSpots and I need to purchase that option. But the like I said the USB option seems to work fine and will serve me well. Thanks again to all of your responses.
Jim