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Froyo on the G1 and other devices

First off, allow me to introduce myself: I'm an 18 year old cook from new orleans and I'm fairly tech savvy. I have an ipod touch and enjoyed hacking the **** out of it, and now I have a G1 and look forward to hacking the hell out of it as well, espcially since android is much more hack friendly and so far I absolutely love it compared to the iphone os.
Ok, so I just downloaded sign-passion-frf50-from-ere27.1e519a24.zip
From what I understand this is Froyo (2.2), which cannot(?) run on the G1.
Can I get this to run on the G1? If not, can I get 2.1 to run on the G1?
If it is possible, but very difficult, please let me know anyway so at least I know what I'm up against.
On this note, what is the process of manually updating the android os anyway?
P.S. I did search before posting this, and nothing seemed to spefically match this post

mattj7 said:
First off, allow me to introduce myself: I'm an 18 year old cook from new orleans and I'm fairly tech savvy. I have an ipod touch and enjoyed hacking the **** out of it, and now I have a G1 and look forward to hacking the hell out of it as well, espcially since android is much more hack friendly and so far I absolutely love it compared to the iphone os.
Ok, so I just downloaded sign-passion-frf50-from-ere27.1e519a24.zip
From what I understand this is Froyo (2.2), which cannot(?) run on the G1.
Can I get this to run on the G1? If not, can I get 2.1 to run on the G1?
If it is possible, but very difficult, please let me know anyway so at least I know what I'm up against.
On this note, what is the process of manually updating the android os anyway?
P.S. I did search before posting this, and nothing seemed to spefically match this post
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Even if all Android systems have the same roots, they differs on various devices. This is caused by different hardware specs: CPU architecture, drivers, customizations; and there are some custom add-ons as well: Google apps, Sense UI, etc. This is why it isn't possible to run OS designated for other devices, even if both of them are running "the same" system.
Porting is a process of mixing up bits from both systems to get some features from one device to another. And adding some missing parts. We have to wait for someone to manage to build workable version of Froyo system for G1 devices.
Ahh and there is no problem with 2.1 on G1 - there are plenty of 2.1 roms for this device, I personally recommend CM5.0.7 .

I see. So do you think that froyo will be ported to the g1? Where can I download the roms for the g1? and how do I install them? Is there a way to get sense ui on the g1 after I install CM5.0.7? Thanks for all the help

Well first you will need to root your phone. There is tons of information on that. I'm sure you'll find a guide no problem. Is you want cm5, which I highly recommend as well, go to cyanogenmod.com and look in the forums under experimental. You cannot, however, simply add sense to a rom. It's a lot more complicated than that. There are lots of sense roms though. Check the g1 forum here on xda. As for froyo, time will be popping up soon enough but we're all going to have to wait until the source is released sometime in the next week or two.
Hope that helps,
Samuel Maskell
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First smartphone - help me get gingerbread!

Note: I'm hoping this is the correct place for this thread, hopefully others with this same phone would benefit from it, as this sub-forum seems barren of any guides on what I am looking for
After Christmas, I decided to get my first smart phone, the D2G. I ordered it through Newegg and had it linked to a family account on Verizon.
So what I currently have now is Android 2.2, System Version 2.4.330.A956.Verizon.en.us, and tons of Verizon branded bloat.
My goal is that I would like to install a vanilla version of gingerbread. Being my first smartphone, and my first time on these forums, I'm greatly lacking in knowledge of these phones and how to get from where I am at to where I want to be. What I do have, however, is an understanding of operating system architecture, UNIX experience and good technical knowledge of PCs. I understand what rooting means, what apps are, what a bootstrap does, however I know nothing of how to get or use these things on this phone, nor any idea where to look for this information. Because this phone is on contract (and thus only paid $150 for it), I'm hoping to minimize the risk of bricking it, or otherwise costing me more money.
What I am looking for: any information/guides/links that will help me to get me from Android 2.2 to a vanilla version of gingerbread on the D2G. From what I have gathered from other threads is that I need to root it (by installing z4root I read), boot in recovery mode, then install ROMs. None of those things I know how to do right now. I suppose helping me learn how to do those would be a great start.
tl;dr I need a layman's guide to get gingerbread on D2G
Thanks in advance for any help

To begin you won't be able to get Gingerbread until Motorola releases an update. The Droid 2 (and D2 Global) have a locked bootloader which means the kernel can't be changed except by Motorola. Without a kernel upgrade Gingerbread will remain out of reach.
You can, however, grab some things that have been backported from Gingerbread like the keyboard and theme. As time goes by more and more external things from Gingerbread will become available for non-GB users, but certain things that rely on the GB kernel will be elusive.
Now as for FroYo, there currently isn't a completely working AOSP (Android Open Source Project) ROM yet. Fission and GummyJAR strip away as much Blur as possible and work towards AOSP. Unleashed, Ultimate Droid, and Tanzanite are all AOSP ROMs in development but are lacking full functionality at the moment. Basically you've got to pick your poison: AOSP-like that works or AOSP that's not quite done.
Given that you have a D2 Global I'd personally hold off on changing ROMs at the moment. The D2G SBF (System Boot File) hasn't been leaked yet so if anything were to go wrong while changing ROMs your phone would be bricked until the SBF is released. A SBF allows you to revert your phone back to its out-of-the-box state should anything go wrong; your phone can be in a boot loop but you can turn it on in a way that will allow you to get things back to square one at least. Without the SBF you're really taking a gamble.

Alright, so I take it I just got too new of a phone then ~_~
thanks

Don't be too upset that your phone is too new yet...
Just be very careful with what you try for now.
It is just over a year since I got my first Droid and while there were plenty of hacks and roms for that back then, few were really STABLE. It didn't take long before not only were stable roms available, they were far better and included features that were not supposed to be on the phone.
Including overclocking it to twice the stock speed.
The D2G is in a similar place right now but the whole "eFuse" thing makes hacking a lot trickier. Its much easier to brick a D2/DX than an original Droid.
BUt progress is being made and there is little doubt in my mind that all the devs out there will make this phone what it should be just like they did with the Droid.
Gingerbread will get to us eventually, but for now Fission rom has already improved my D2G 100% over stock.

rogerdugans said:
Gingerbread will get to us eventually, but for now Fission rom has already improved my D2G 100% over stock.
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Interested in Fission, but as I have previously stated, I'm quite clueless for the time being
Is this something that is safe?

Kenshin- said:
Interested in Fission, but as I have previously stated, I'm quite clueless for the time being
Is this something that is safe?
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If you want 100% safe- leave your phone exactly as you received it.
Seriously.
There is risk in doing this stuff, even when we are simply taking advantage of the very risky work done by devs to figure out HOW to modify our phones.
Generally speaking, the longer you wait the less risky it is, but the fact is that there is never ZERO danger to it. Even if all the mods and hacks you use are time tested and there has not been a single bug found by anyone- flashing a rom can go wrong and leave a device bricked.
Even flashing a manufacturer provided BIOS on a computer has risk.
All of that said, if you want to minimize risk, wait just a little while for the bugs to be worked out more thoroughly.
I just saw that there is now an SBF for the D2G last night- that helps provide a buffer for accidents (disaster recovery!) but I don't know how well tested it is. We should know fairly soon- quite a few folks with bricked phones have been waiting for it!
I would say that right now the D2G has risk in the "moderate" range- new phone, not that much dev time, etc.
The only other phone I have personal experience with is the original Droid- risk on that is "minimal." Hard to kill those things.
All that said, I have accepted the risk and did so before the sbf was out. I have had no problems at all so far.
IF you choose to do so, I highly recommend following instructions exactly and making sure you know what you are doing and why.
I don't mean to talk you or anyone else out of improving their smart phone, but I do believe that realistic risk assessment is a wise thing to do before starting.

I used the SBF to flash my phone 2 days ago, with no issues.

rogerdugans said:
Generally speaking, the longer you wait the less risky it is, but the fact is that there is never ZERO danger to it.
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All of that said, if you want to minimize risk, wait just a little while for the bugs to be worked out more thoroughly.
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I have a D2 and I got it pretty new a few months ago it was my first Android phone but I watched the forums and learned as things became available how to do it all. I watched as the device everyone thought wasn't even going to get root access got it, then the ROMs came; it wasn't easy and they aren't like the ROMs that came for previous devices because of the locks Moto put on the phone. But, we were happy with it and I've been pleasantly surprised at what the devs have come up with and have been running custom ROMs so long I don't remember what stock was even like. I just know it wasn't as cool as the custom stuff I'm running.
So hang in there and read all you can about your device or similar devices (D2, DX, DPro) so that when something comes along that you want to try you know what to do to make it work and what to do if it doesn't go as planned.

[Q] Root now or wait for Gingerbread?

Hey all,
I've been reading up on the forums, trying to figure out the best option to root my Inspire 4G and making sure there is a proven unroot method.
I guess my biggest question is whether I should root now or wait for the official Gingerbread update to come out and root then?? Any input about this question would be greatly appreciated along with suggestions to BEST root/unroot options to keep the phone as close to stock as possible yet have the ability to get rid of these bloated programs.
Anyway, love the site!

We really have no idea if/when AT&T will even release Gingerbread for this phone, so if you might have to root just to get it and install one of the Desire HD releases.
Rooting is not all that hard, the key is making the goldcard correctly. After that you can either do attn1's hack kit or Bubby's gui based method. After that install one of the stock rooted ROMS from the dev section.

cab121783 said:
Hey all,
I've been reading up on the forums, trying to figure out the best option to root my Inspire 4G and making sure there is a proven unroot method.
I guess my biggest question is whether I should root now or wait for the official Gingerbread update to come out and root then?? Any input about this question would be greatly appreciated along with suggestions to BEST root/unroot options to keep the phone as close to stock as possible yet have the ability to get rid of these bloated programs.
Anyway, love the site!
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I guess there are questions as to what your actual goal is. Do you need to install non-market applications, do you need to really remove the stock AT&T additions? I am not sure I would call the AT&T additions bloated, they serve a purpose in a way most people would rather have served by other programs and therefore bloat the ROM but they are fairly well behaved and aren't that big.
If you check the development section there are rooted stock ROMs available. This will keep everything very close to the original HTC ROM with much of the AT&T extras removed. The rooting process is fairly straight forward if not a bit painful at times, with the hardest part being the process of finding an SD card that will work as a Gold Card. I rooted my phone as I needed some non-market applications from my company that can not be side loaded properly as part of their installation requires accepting a system change and they will not work without this confirmation.
As to Gingerbread coming to this phone, if the amount of time it took the Aria to get Froyo updates is any indication, don't wait for the official release. AT&T drags its feet on updates to phones after they get potential updates from the vendors. This is because they claim to be doing heavy testing internally to make sure the update process is smooth. Not sure I buy that but it does take a long time between versions, so if you are eager for some change on your phone root it now because your wait for an AT&T release will be long.

Basically, I want to keep the door open to do any customization I want as I learn what this OS and phone is capable of.
I'm an avid tinkerer with PCs and the Windows OS and I enjoy not being restricted to one set way to do things. However, I like the setup this phone has originally. I just don't like apps such ad AT&T Familymap, Navigator, Code Scanner, the asphalt game, and the worthless blockbuster app. They are the devil.
Seriously though, I'm all about custom goodies. But I also need a proven way if the phone goes haywire or gets damaged that I can restore to factory and send it in since I have insurance on the Inspire.
Hope this helps fill in the blanks as far as questions to how I'm going to use it. Appreciate the answers so far so please keep them coming!

Oh and I read some rumor that gingerbread was coming in May or June. Good point though on carriers dragging their feet. More than likely going to root now.

Rooting is probably going to be the same no matter what so you may as well do it. As for gingerbread you can get that now with CM7 RC2 is pretty good. If you font mind no htc sense its great and getting better. You can always try it and then change.
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Regarding your questions about going back to stock after obtaining root/s-off, it is a very simple process. As for rooting, the hack kit has a very detailed set of instructions.
After reading what you are looking to do, I would suggest moving to one of the rooted stock roms and playing with that. Then flash one of the gingerbread roms whenever you want to check them out. Of course, do a nandroid to save time going back to your previous setup.

You want to go ahead and root dont wait for at&t
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I rooted my phone with bubby's rooting program and have downloaded Core Droid Gingerbread version 4 and it is working great, the extra effects that they have added make it all that much more fun to have. I would not wait for AT&T at all.

Waiting for AT&T is like going through a White Castles drive-thru. You only do it if you have a great deal of time to waste.
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Stock vs Infused ROM

Can anyone tell the important and practical advantages of rooting and installing Infused ROM? I Am just looking for a useful reason to waste my time
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Read the change logs in the very first post, if nothing there appeals to you than don't bother, if nothing makes SENSE to you, read more like I did before diving in lol.
Short answer is, because its fun, addicting, customizing, unlocks features, removes bloatware.....makes it YOUR PHONE, not AT&T's (assuming you don't have Rogers.) Things like Wi-Fi tethering and GPS lock on times are fixed or improved. Stuff like that, plus the whole process can be somewhat addicting. Lol
Infused

Hehe..... So, no usefulness in rooting I guess.... Can you post the link by the way...
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Not sure how, on my phone. Lol, but if you go to the infuse developers section, you CANT miss it. Big huge title says something along the lines of, [Infused, V2.#.# (gingerbread) blah blah blah] haha.
But ATM the download portion is down because the Canadian release doesn't use 4g, so he's fixing a little quirk with it right now, than it'll be back up I'm sure, gtg is pretty quick.
Also, rooting is different than flashing a Tom, rooting gives you complete control over your phone, gets rid of market branding (I think), and allows 3rd party apps (be carefully)
Flashing a ROM is replacing the current operating system with the SAME one but streamlined and bareboned, or a better one that's streamlined and bareboned. (Or at least that's how I think of it.) Usually involving better apps, updates, and unlocked features.
So yes there is a benifit I guess lol.
Infused

So, what is infused ROM? I suppose it is custom ROM... Right?... So, what the hell is CWM then?
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All of this info is readily available, when I first got my android I was a little confused to, hell, I still am =P
But here is the skinny,
Root simply means you are granting the phone or yourself super user access. What does that mean you ask... well, it pretty much gives you ultimate admin rights. From here, you can theme, mod, install roms, alter/move/delete system files etc.
Roms are the creations of enhanced versions of the stock os all ready available, and sometimes not available ie gtg's gingerbread rom. The benefits to these"aftermarket" roms vary from rom to rom. You will need to research each one specifically to see what fits your desires.
Although your question seems simple, it its infact a big question that is far to vague, simply put, custom roms made by experienced developers will 99.9% always be superior to stock, but for different reasons. So please research and you will see that there are varying types of directions... Unless you want gb on infuse, kinds only one direction for that at the moment.
Infused with gingerbread **** thanks GTG465X

Thanks, you articulated my thoughts better lol.
CWM is ClockWorkMod, used commonly for its rom manager feature, it helps make flashing the rom's easier, and can install a clockwork recovery mode that replaces the stock 3e recovery the phone comes with, and is far more useful.
Infused

You need root. Normally I'd suggest going with a ROM, but right now the only ROM actively being developed is Infused. However, this is the first ROM where I have gotten very bad response from those who develop the ROM, as well as backlash for the community when I bring up bugs on the releases. Any other phone has developer communities that are helpful and very nice, and receptive to constructive criticism, but it's like Apple sent their goons over for Infused, and both the developers and the fanboys of the developers act like it's some gift from god. Everything released from the Infused team has had some fairly significant bugs, right now the bug is poor data speeds (kinda silly since we bought the phone for it's "4G" being the primary function), but as always, enter at your own risk.

Seriously bella? the only issues I have seen with this community has been antagonized by you. Hell, out of curiosity I check done of your post history... Surprise surprise, most of the post are you complaining. This thread case in point, seriously had to drag your bull **** to another thread, grow the hell up.
just get your sg2 already and take your negativity to another forum. All you ever do is ***** like a whiny baby. Good luck and good riddance, we won't miss you.
Infused with gingerbread **** thanks GTG465X

Krant, don't let Bella's bs confuse you, this phone has to notch devs, with fantastic roms and kernels. Apparently if the devs can't part the seas and build a rom that get 100 hours of staight heavy use batt life then they don't deserve to give us free development
Infused with gingerbread **** thanks GTG465X

Krant, welcome to the forums.
I disagree with Bella - we have an excellent community here, the only problem is that we have an unusual number of people who post in the ROM threads in development when it is clear they have not even read the first post of the thread. We also have people who complain about a ROM without any evidence to back up their complaint, and get hostile when a dev asks them to run a specific test.
On the positive side, the level of coordination we have between developers is FAR better than most other devices. That's why right now you don't really see any junky "hey look I can deodex too!" ROMs.
So far you're off to a good start, you didn't post in the dev forum and you're making an effort to learn. I suggest you take some time to do some research and Googling.
Another thing adding to the confusion here is that with Android, there are two portions of the system that can be separately customized. The kernel is the base operating system, with hardware drivers and such. The ROM is actually what us kernel hackers call "userland" - the stuff layered on top of a kernel to produce a nice usable system.
Most ROMs include a custom kernel, but in many cases you can flash other kernels over it.
Never flash a ROM/kernel intended for another device. (An exception to this rule may eventually come for userland ROMs, but for now that's the rule.)
CWM is a low-level "recovery" tool that allows new files to be flashed to your device that often can't be flashed to a running system. It's most often used for flashing new ROMs, but can sometimes be used for flashing tweaks to a ROM.

And things like that will only scare people away from these forums, i sincerely feel like there are an alarming number of negative, rude people on XDA, and those who AREN'T, are usually Dev's or working with them, Hence my post from like, a month ago in an ENTIRELY different subject lol. And also why i try so hard to be informative, even with what little knowledge i have. please dont go because of a few bad apples, ive seen it ruin peoples experience with there phones.
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Ive cruised these forums for about 8 months now, and i have to say, out of all the forus ive ever been apart of, (PC, Truck, Motorcycle, you name it) this is filled with the worst ratio of rude, abrasive people ive ever seen on a forum, and am surprised that the mods make no attempt to instill respectful comments to one another.
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And it got Thanked,... twice... and it wasnt even by the people getting chewed out, (Although for a valid reason. DONT post nonsense in a Dev thread....oh my GOD they take that seriously here lol)

theraffman said:
All of this info is readily available, when I first got my android I was a little confused to, hell, I still am =P
But here is the skinny,
Root simply means you are granting the phone or yourself super user access. What does that mean you ask... well, it pretty much gives you ultimate admin rights. From here, you can theme, mod, install roms, alter/move/delete system files etc.
Roms are the creations of enhanced versions of the stock os all ready available, and sometimes not available ie gtg's gingerbread rom. The benefits to these"aftermarket" roms vary from rom to rom. You will need to research each one specifically to see what fits your desires.
Although your question seems simple, it its infact a big question that is far to vague, simply put, custom roms made by experienced developers will 99.9% always be superior to stock, but for different reasons. So please research and you will see that there are varying types of directions... Unless you want gb on infuse, kinds only one direction for that at the moment.
Infused with gingerbread **** thanks GTG465X
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the raffman explained root acces well indeed. I heard another explain it as gaining root access to your phone is the same as logging in to your computer with admin rights; you can make all sorts of changes. However, not having root access to your phone is like logging in to your computer as guest; you can change very little.
I rooted my phone a few days out of the box. Don't get me wrong; I was impressed with its performance. Since then I've flashed roms, kernels, bricked my phone, brought it back to life with odin3 many times. It is exciting and wicked fun to push this phone to its limits. Props to all the devs that enable my habit. Root and flash and I am sure you will never look back.

Root and flash and I am sure you will never look back.[/QUOTE said:
And make sure you do tons of research on how to unbrick it, and know what NOT to do.
Infused
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Entropy512 said:
Another thing adding to the confusion here is that with Android, there are two portions of the system that can be separately customized. The kernel is the base operating system, with hardware drivers and such. The ROM is actually what us kernel hackers call "userland" - the stuff layered on top of a kernel to produce a nice usable system.
Most ROMs include a custom kernel, but in many cases you can flash other kernels over it.
Never flash a ROM/kernel intended for another device. (An exception to this rule may eventually come for userland ROMs, but for now that's the rule.)
CWM is a low-level "recovery" tool that allows new files to be flashed to your device that often can't be flashed to a running system. It's most often used for flashing new ROMs, but can sometimes be used for flashing tweaks to a ROM.
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Entrophy512,
I've had my superInfuse for over a month now, I have it rooted, flashed Infused 1.53, 2.0Beta1,2,3,stable2.00, 2.01, 2.02 and used CWM, SGS Kernal Flasher, etc. I thought I understood this all pretty well but you summed it up excellently!!! Thanks so much for that!

Need a 101 in flashing MIUI Please (Coming from Infused 2.3.3)

So I know, bits and pieces have been posted in the 20 threads or so, but I'm curious if someone can explain a couple things. I'm wanting to get away from Infused because I've had the slow network performance and lag many people have discussed, but the devs don't seem like they're interested in working those issues, which is a shame, because the whole "4G" on a "4G" speed phone is somewhat important, heeh.
I am on Infused 2.3.3 (so it's already converted the file system to the ext4 or whatever), and I'm on the latest UCKI3 radio.
1) How would I go about upgrading to MIUI? Since I've done all the steps to get Infused on, do I need to go back to the factory stock and then flash MIUI, or what's the best method of doing it? I want to make sure I get the full benefit like the network speed, etc.
2) What radio is built into the ROM? Do I also need to re-flash a radio?
3) Regarding kernels, I see some comments that I'd need to flash a new\better kernel to take full advantage of the network speeds and phone's features. Can I get a brief explanation and advice on this?
I wish there was a "MIUI 101" thread like most of the other ROMs have... makes it really easy to open and see the steps to install from the various methods and points from which it'd be installed, as well as FAQs to address questions like the ones I've posed above.
Thanks all for your help!
Bella

Hi Bella. There already is a FAQ for MIUI thread on this forum. There's already a MIUI Q&A for Infuse thread. You can head over there and leave your question there as it's more likely more people will view that thread than this one. Some people consider may consider this question "out of place" and won't even bother read/glance through/answer you're question.
I simply flashed MIUI like any other ROM. No need to go back to stock and then to MIUI.
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