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I am on Rogers and I recently got a Captivate I found the wiki site for the roms but I cant figure out which one would be the best one to use. So some insight into them would be great.
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If you want the fastest phone experience look at the i9000 roms with the setiron kernel, that kernel has every feature/tweak you'll ever need.
It depends a lot on what you mean by "Best." After reading a lot of the threads on different ROMs, I went with Cognition 2.4 because it had the feature set that matched my needs, and had the easiest installation method. It was also the only one I could find that used ClockworkMod exclusively and didn't require Odin. I don't have anything against Odin, but if I have an option to use one program or another exclusively, I'm going to go with that if for no other reason than less can go wrong.
There may be some that are faster, but even under stock, my Captivate was wicked fast. Cognition also seems to have a huge amount of support, more than the others I've seen.
I am not sure that you could classify one as being the "best". I have flashed a couple of the Cog builds and am now rocking the Tayutama rom. The Cog seems to be the most popular, but I am getting better function for what I want with the Tayutama. Don't mean I won't flash again, just gonna enjoy this one for a while.
I think any rom is going to vary from phone to phone. Some people have trouble flashing them, others experience gps issues, others have problems with bluetooth. I flash, use my phone normally, and if I run across a problem I look for a fix. I am sure there might be problems with my phone that I will never see (bluetooth for example) as there are probably many features I will never use.
Flash it. Use it. Dump it or keep it. Opinions are great, but it is going to be your experience with the rom that matters.
Basically anything but Cognition.
i9000 ROMs win any day.
MikeyMike01 said:
Basically anything but Cognition.
i9000 ROMs win any day.
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Amen to that! Go doc rom!
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For me, Cognition v2.2 b6. GPS works, Email and both Email and Browser works when switching between WiFi and 3G, and it's just clean, stable, and very reliable. The keyword is "for me". I do a lot of email, web browsing, SMS, MMS, photos, 720p videos, YouTube, [edit] plus MobileAP with friends who have no, or limited data plans [/edit] etc. Give it a shot if you're able to use it on Rogers.
Of the i9000 ROMs, only Raw Steel has fixed haptic on the home button, correct?
jfsouthward said:
I am not sure that you could classify one as being the "best". I have flashed a couple of the Cog builds and am now rocking the Tayutama rom. The Cog seems to be the most popular, but I am getting better function for what I want with the Tayutama. Don't mean I won't flash again, just gonna enjoy this one for a while.
I think any rom is going to vary from phone to phone. Some people have trouble flashing them, others experience gps issues, others have problems with bluetooth. I flash, use my phone normally, and if I run across a problem I look for a fix. I am sure there might be problems with my phone that I will never see (bluetooth for example) as there are probably many features I will never use.
Flash it. Use it. Dump it or keep it. Opinions are great, but it is going to be your experience with the rom that matters.
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Thanks everybody for posting opinions on this. I still havent made a decision yet and I was kinda hoping to hear from somebody on Rogers but nobody came forward...ah well.
By best what I was getting at was pretty much most efficient rom (ie no/little lag) and fast speeds and inproving on the battery life of my phone.
Edit: So looking at some of the posts I can consider using ROMS that arent Rogers specific as well on my phone???
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Edit: So looking at some of the posts I can consider using ROMS that arent Rogers specific as well on my phone???
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That part is definitely true. The ROM I'm using is not by any means carrier-specific. I can't speak for Rogers, but AT&T put a lot of crapware on my phone that I'm thankful to be without. I suppose if Rogers puts useful stuff on their phones, you'll need a Rogers-specific ROM, otherwise not. Only caveat I can think of is that it's good if you get a ROM that's Captivate-specific. There will be more internal consistency. For example, the i9000 has a front-facing camera that the Cappy doesn't.
Are froyo based roms fairly stable? I ask because I'm getting a Captivate for myself and a not-so-tech-literate family member, and I'd rather not have to deal with any additional problems. Should I flash one of the 2.1 based Cognition roms? Or Doc's 2.2 rom? Or something else entirely? Mainly looking for battery life improvements.
Cognitions 2.3b4 rom is absolutely incredible. EVERYTHING works! and its very fast. The fact that everything including the GPS works flawlessly is just amazing. I dunno if any other rom has been able to achieve that...
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EVERYTHING works! and its very fast.
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How's the BT voicedialer working?
shadvich said:
Are froyo based roms fairly stable? I ask because I'm getting a Captivate for myself and a not-so-tech-literate family member, and I'd rather not have to deal with any additional problems. Should I flash one of the 2.1 based Cognition roms? Or Doc's 2.2 rom? Or something else entirely? Mainly looking for battery life improvements.
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You may want to stick with the stock JH7 rom then. When I had it on my phone, that was the best battery life and best GPS performance I got. Now I'm running Cog 2.2B7 and it runs fine, although battery life is lacking and there is a little bit of lag from time to time, but all in all its solid. I love the fact that it has the mobile AP, which AT&T will be sure to strip out from their version of 2.2 when/if it ever comes out....
Couldn't disagree more. Cognition 2.3b3 has been a dream come true for my Captivate.
I have looked over many, Many boards today and am left with an impression that I should be able to go to Cognition 2.3b4 with ODIN, but not a One Touch ODIN.
I DLed Standalone ODIN and went to where the ROM file was downloadable. But when I go on in the process it is obvious I should be seeing a PIT.pit file and others to populate into the different areas of the ODIN interface... I can't find them in the download I have so far.
I have gone looking for these files or a zipped grouping of them, but no luck.
I think I am missing something simple in how this process should go.
Please help?
PS. I opted to NOT go with the ClockWorkMod route as it talks about only doing it if you have a previous version. The last time I did anything to the phone I did the leaked Froyo 2.2 ODIN One Click. That leaves me unsure if I meet the minimum requirements for the ClockWorkMod option. (Plus I don't have root.)
Thanx in advance for the help.
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zeddock said:
I have looked over many, Many boards today and am left with an impression that I should be able to go to Cognition 2.3b4 with ODIN, but not a One Touch ODIN.
I DLed Standalone ODIN and went to where the ROM file was downloadable. But when I go on in the process it is obvious I should be seeing a PIT.pit file and others to populate into the different areas of the ODIN interface... I can't find them in the download I have so far.
I have gone looking for these files or a zipped grouping of them, but no luck.
I think I am missing something simple in how this process should go.
Please help?
PS. I opted to NOT go with the ClockWorkMod route as it talks about only doing it if you have a previous version. The last time I did anything to the phone I did the leaked Froyo 2.2 ODIN One Click. That leaves me unsure if I meet the minimum requirements for the ClockWorkMod option. (Plus I don't have root.)
Thanx in advance for the help.
zeddock
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I got this from NorCal Einstein on another thread......
Cognition 2.3 Beta4 IS NOT ODIN FLASHABLE. Unless designgears releases a ODIN version to use with the stand-alone, you are not going to have success trying to use the CWM file with ODIN.
You don't have to flash via CWM while you are on Cognition, that's a mis-understanding. Personally, I flash my phone back to stock (JH6), and then use CWM to flash to Cognition. I don't know what you mean by minimum requirements for CWM option either...you have a Captivate right?...it works right?...you can run ClockWorkMod Recovery on your phone.
Bottom line: At this time, 2.3 Beta4 CANNOT be flashed using ODIN.
Just can't take it any more! I swore I'd wait until the official Froyo release before starting to flash custom ROMs but this thread has finally broken my resolve. Currently downloading one now and will flash tomorrow.
zeddock said:
I got this from NorCal Einstein on another thread......
Cognition 2.3 Beta4 IS NOT ODIN FLASHABLE. Unless designgears releases a ODIN version to use with the stand-alone, you are not going to have success trying to use the CWM file with ODIN.
You don't have to flash via CWM while you are on Cognition, that's a mis-understanding. Personally, I flash my phone back to stock (JH6), and then use CWM to flash to Cognition. I don't know what you mean by minimum requirements for CWM option either...you have a Captivate right?...it works right?...you can run ClockWorkMod Recovery on your phone.
Bottom line: At this time, 2.3 Beta4 CANNOT be flashed using ODIN.
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What? Who uses the CWM file with Odin? No wonder it didn't work for you.....
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I just got into flashing roms and I love it! I love the feeling of having it rooted, being able to customize it, install 3rd party apps, etc.
But my question is- I have darky's rom and would like to try out others. I just never have the time because I have to backup everything, flash back, reroot, etc.
I don't have a problem with it but it's just a little tedious.
I read that some people don't always flash back and just stick the new rom into the phone. So is that wise? Sorry if it's a noob question...!
Honestly the only time I flash stock is when something appears to be broken.
You do not have to flash stock. There is a risk either way. In both cases you have to backup all your apps and restore.
I went from a jpy base rom to an armani base without a flash to stock. Disabled lag fix, wiped davlik cache, flashed. all went well.
Be prepared that if something goes wrong you may need odin to recover
I never ever flash back to stock......but I do always disable any lagfix first!
Actually, pretty much every kernel now supports ext4 so disabling lagfix is not necessary.
I never flash to stock unless something is broken or if I get assaulted with FCs.
Right now, since my phone is acting up, I'm actually Master Clearing too.
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Interesting, so the majority of people don't master clear. Maybe there should be a poll up.
I have Cognition 3.03 and want to go to 3.04 but I don't want to have to master clear, reroot and nada nada nada.
Usually on updates it isn't specified anyway. And I never do either unless something breaks.
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Help?
Got a crazy newb type question. Maybe one of you would be willing to help me out with?
I have had my captivate for almost 6 months now. Still as much or more in love with it as I was when I got it. However, I am starting to get a bit anxious for froyo and wondering just how much I am missing in the custom side of things. Ihave spent the past 15 years in graphic design and have a lod of experience in the tech side of things etc so I would not consider myself a total newb, but when it comes to flashing, roms, flashing of roms ;], modems or anything else that goes with it, I am very limited..Still rockin' stock 2.1update1
Would one of you extremely smart people with a little extra free time be willing to meet with me and teach me the tools/tricks of the trade? Or at the very least explain things for me and send me on my way? lol.
Anything would be appreciated....thx
I am glad to see this. I would like to see a poll too. I just flashed my first ROM last night was was not sure if this was an acceptable way of switching ROMs.
@gicuenitro,
It is truly an easy process. Stop in the phoenix irc channel and I, or others, would be glad to walk you through it. People are usually around in the afternoon/evenings.
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When I first started flashing, roms that is, I always used Odin back to stock. Now I just flash using cwm after backing everything up. No problems.
Haven't flashed to stock since I bricked my second phone doing it. Now I just download Rom to phone, CWM update, turn on wifi, login to Google account, TiBu restore, launcher restore and done, takes about 15 min.
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But my question is- I have darky's rom and would like to try out others. I just never have the time because I have to backup everything, flash back, reroot, etc.
I don't have a problem with it but it's just a little tedious.
I read that some people don't always flash back and just stick the new rom into the phone. So is that wise? Sorry if it's a noob question...!
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I don't bother flashing back to stock unless something doesn't work right after the new flash. For example, I flashed Perception 10.1 over my old rom and couldn't receive incoming calls (though data and sms worked fine). I flashed back to stock, then reflashed 10.1 and everything worked proper. That was the only time I've needed to flash back to stock.
Flashing a new rom doesn't have to be a tedious process if you automate most of it. Here's my regular procedure for flashing a new rom:
1. Do a nandroid backup with Rom Manager, in case something goes wrong and I need to revert the phone back to it's current state, or if I don't like the new rom and want to restore my phone to how it was before I flashed. A nandroid backup usually takes 5-10 minutes. You don't need to do anything in the process, just go read engadget.com or something while it happens.
2. Use titanium backup to back up all my apps and data. The time this will take depends on how many apps you have, and how many you already have backed up. It usually takes me about 5 minutes to back up all my stuff (automated again, you don't need to do anything while this happens).
3. Flash the new rom over the old one. I don't bother disabling voodoo either, just because as someone else already pointed out, most of the roms use kernels that support ext4 filesystems. This also usually takes about 15 minutes (OS boot time included). This also doesn't require you to do anything while you wait.
4. Once the new rom is booted up, I'll do a quick check to make sure all the primary functions work (voice calls, data, sms). Then I download Titanium Backup and do a batch restore of all my user apps/data. This will take anywhere from 5-15 minutes depending on how much stuff you have. If you have the paid version of Titanium Backup, just run the market doctor afterwards to link all your restored apps back to the market, so you can be notified of updates. It takes a few seconds to run market doctor.
Total time for flashing a new rom and reloading all my stuff is 30-45 minutes, the vast majority of which I don't have to actually interact with the phone. After that, it's just a matter of setting up your widgets and email accounts again, which I think you can also do from TB, but I don't bother.
Edit: Actually, come to think of it, ADW launcher will save your widgets across rom flashes if you restore your user data with TB.
I do not. I have never heard any actual theory of how doing so could possibly be of any use other than as a placebo or an easy way to brick your phone.
Nice to hear some of you guys are having success not going back to stock all the time. That is a tedious process.
TiBu is a huge time saver, especially the paid version. I may start checking out other roms without flashing stock first since so many of you are doing it without issues.
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I always flash stock. It's not needed, but I like starting from fresh. I have done it a few times right over another ROM without any issues. Just personal preference I suppose.
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Interesting, so the majority of people don't master clear. Maybe there should be a poll up.
I have Cognition 3.03 and want to go to 3.04 but I don't want to have to master clear, reroot and nada nada nada.
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I thought that DG provided an update to take you from Cog 3.03 to 3.04 without having to flash stock nor MC...or maybe that was another ROM? Check his downloads.
EDIT: Sorry there was an upgrade version for 3.03, but not 3.04.
First, my phone info as reported by Settings/About Phone:
Model: Samsung-SGH-I897
Firmware: 2.1-update1
Baseband: I897UCJH7
Kernel: 2.6.29 [email protected] #2
Build Number: ECLAIR.UCJH7
I have visited the ROM section and I probably dont need to tell you that it is just a little bit confusing (for me anyway)as to which ROM to use.
I would like to flash a new ROM to bring me up to FroYo and I "think" I want to use the Andromeda ROM. I have a couple of questions though.
First, (for the Devs) should I go ahead and flash to FroYo or wait for am Android 3.0 ROM (assuming one is forthcoming)?
Second, is the difference between the "themed" and "un-themed" ROM just cosmetic? Do they both function the same?
There are a few "how to" threads on flashing. They are very detailed and take you step by step. I'd suggest you read or watch the videos.
The questions about Andromeda are well covered in the thread. You just need to read through it. Flashing now or waiting is purely up to you. There's not a GB ROM that's stable enough to run day to day. There's only one that I know of and they are still working a lot of problems out of it.
Thank you.
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Second, is the difference between the "themed" and "un-themed" ROM just cosmetic? Do they both function the same?
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Yep, just prettier (in some cases that is).
I'm really looking for a ROM that is as close to "stock" Froyo as possible that will work well with my U.S. phone. I understand Cognition is built on the just released Rogers build, but should I use a Canadian build on my U.S. phone?
I'm using Cognition and find it really nice. No Canadian phrases coming out of it.
If you are going to flash your first rom make sure you read through the forums and figure your what you need to do. Everything that you need are in them. I just flashed my first rom this weekend. Forums are very helpful!!
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I'm really looking for a ROM that is as close to "stock" Froyo as possible that will work well with my U.S. phone. I understand Cognition is built on the just released Rogers build, but should I use a Canadian build on my U.S. phone?
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I live in Canada and use an American captivate using the cognition ROM and it works just fine.
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Serendipity 5.x is by far the best Captivate ROM out there, in my opinion. Fast, clean, stable, bloat-free, and tastefully themed.
I just flashed the un-themed version of Andromeda, needless to say I was and am still very pleased with it. It was my first time flashing a ROM and went very smoothly, I guess I just got sick of AT&T jerking around.
I might make a quick video comparing Andromeda 1.0 on the captivate to a stock captivate (my bro's). That is if there is any interest in one.
Btw does any one know when the over clocked kernels will be released, I'm pretty anxious to try them out.
How do you like Andromeda? I started with cognition, then used phoenix for a while and liked both of them. I switched to serendipity last week and it has been rock solid to be honest, but I am always wanting to tinker with this thing. I flashed the KNP1 modem today to see if I get the better data speeds people are reporting and am hoping to gain a little battery life.
I guess everybody has thier own favorite ROM. I am kind of leaning toward either Cognition or Phoenix but cant decide which one. I want as close to "stock" 2.2 (or 2.3) as possible and it looks like Cognition might be the way to go. I have read through the Cognition Wiki and cant determine which flavor of Android (2.2/2.3) Cognition 3.04 is based on (unless I missed it). Anyone know?
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I have read through the Cognition Wiki and cant determine which flavor of Android (2.2/2.3) Cognition 3.04 is based on (unless I missed it). Anyone know?
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There are some videos on you tube that walk you trough the flashing process that I found to be really helpful for my first flash. I also had a written walk thru up from this site. I had no problems with my first using these 2 restorers. Good luck. And andromeda looks very cool. There are also rom reviews on you tube that show you what the rom does. Good luck
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There are some videos on you tube that walk you trough the flashing process that I found to be really helpful for my first flash. I also had a written walk thru up from this site. I had no problems with my first using these 2 restorers. Good luck. And andromeda looks very cool. There are also rom reviews on you tube that show you what the rom does. Good luck
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If you haven't already please read through the guide in my sig.
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If you haven't already please read through the guide in my sig.
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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I agree. Something like "answer these 20 questions and here's the ROM that most matches what you want" would be great. I am still trying to figure it out.
What I am looking for is, if AT&T (or Samsung for that matter) were to finally release FroYo, here is what it would most likely look like and how it would probably perform. I'm still thinking Cognition is the closest since it was based on the Canadian FroYo release but *MAN* can it be confusing.
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I read through the guide "Guide for choosing the right rom for YOU" that you link to in your sig; and i see nothing about choosing the right ROM For me.
The title suggests that there is a guide to choosing a ROM - maybe a matrix of features, or a questions list to help someone decide. Instead the closest thing i find is one sentence "Go to the Android Development Section and read through different [ROM] threads to see what features will work best for you. I have also found it useful to read through the last couple of pages to see what other users think about the current version of the rom"
Did i miss something? Where is the guide to choosing the right ROM for me?
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The point of that is so that you figure out what is best for you, not that I am telling you what to do. I am simply trying to GUIDE new users on how to go about making informed decisions on which ROM they choose. Too many people rely solely on what others say instead of trying things for themselves, which is why I created that post encouraging people to discover new things.
If you have questions about a certain rom, post in the ROM thread in the dev section. If you don't have 10 posts yet and still have questions, then post in the Q&A section, not captivate general.
What I don't think new users understand is that almost every person has a different preference about what ROM, kernel and modem combo work best. Me personally, I love di11igafs ROMs, but many other people prefer different things. Its pretty much like asking a group of random people, "what is the best car on the market and what options would get with said car?" Almost everyones answer will vary slightly.
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I agree. Something like "answer these 20 questions and here's the ROM that most matches what you want" would be great. I am still trying to figure it out.
What I am looking for is, if AT&T (or Samsung for that matter) were to finally release FroYo, here is what it would most likely look like and how it would probably perform. I'm still thinking Cognition is the closest since it was based on the Canadian FroYo release but *MAN* can it be confusing.
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Like you, I recently started trying to figure this out after getting an AT&T Captivate and I agree about the need for a better listing for features (or lack of) for each ROM. A good matrix to compare would be nice, but I fear there are so many people working on these things and it all moves so fast, it would be a full-time job just to keep it up. Reading through all this stuff is quite overwhelming. However, I honestly think it's not bad once you figure out the basics and understand the ropes. By the time you get the things to load on your phone, with Clockworkmod Recovery, Odin and some other tools, life is pretty simple--the devs have done all the hard work, you're just flashing the stuff and figuring out what you like best.
Here is what I can tell you that may help and like I said, I'm pretty new at this, so someone *please* correct me if I'm wrong. I would not want to mislead anyone:
1. Cognition is an "Americanized" version of the Rogers 2.2 Captivate release. If you want 2.2.1 you have to use another custom ROM. Everything with Cognition appears to be well done, stable and smooth. I spent a couple hours trying to get wireless tether to work only to figure out MobileAP is built in and works
2. Look up the videos on YouTube by MobileTechVideos. They are very good and well produced, plus he looks at all the different ROMs. There is a 3-part video on loading Cognition on a captivate. I used it to load 3.04 on mine in almost real time right with the video. The only thing I would caution you on is if you use Titanium Backup to restore apps, be careful about "select all" like he says you can do in the video. I'm not sure if I had backed up system data and accidentally restored it or what--didn't go back that far to check, but after I did my restore I thought everything was fine and I could not make outgoing calls the next day. I reloaded from scratch following the videos again and this time use TB to restore one app+data at a time and was very picky about what I did and it worked wonderfully.
3. Once I got everything working I started to get curious about kernels. Once you have your ROM loaded, you can flash a new kernel (has to be same version as the ROM) and you can get enhancements with speed and other things by doing so. However, I loaded Firebird and did not notice in the thread that Bluetooth doesn't work yet, so I'm trying to figure out if I can go back or if I have to start over. Not a big deal to start over since I know what I'm doing now, just want to push the limits a little cause that's how I roll For some reason after Firebird I also seen duplicate photos on my SD card, even though there were only singles. It's like thumbnails were duplicated or something. I moved the pics off to my PC and it left blank thumbnails behind. I deleted them from the gallery and put the pics back and everything cleared up. I've seen stranger things--no biggie.
4. Battery life was fairly bad at this point, dropping 10-15% or more per hour. My phone came with the JH7 modem (last digits of your Baseband version in Settings -- About Phone). Cognition 3.04 comes with JL1 and many others were reporting great battery life with JL2 so I flashed it and everything seems to be much better so far. I haven't reset the battery stats and such, but I will at some point. Looks like a lengthy process that may or may not help.
5. I see a lot of "do I have to flash to stock first" questions posted and from what I understand, it's best practice to follow the instructions and don't ask why--just do it. Learn how to backup and restore apps+data (not system data) using TB and it's no big deal.
6. I read a lot about different builds of the Captivate--lots of posts about 1006, 1007, 1008's so I was concerned about the issues discussed. I'm guessing these were the early releases. I got mine at the end of January and it's a 1012. Look under your battery right under the serial number.
I suppose once I have this part of it working well and figured out, I will probably start looking into themes and digging deeper. It's pretty addictive so once you start, you just keep wanting more and more and making it better and better. Thanks to all the devs out there. I plan on making a few donations soon, especially to Designgears since his stuff is mostly what I've worked with so far.
My advice is to take a day or two and read *A LOT*. The old carpenters saying is "Measure twice and cut once" and that is pretty much how I look at this stuff. After you figure out how the puzzle pieces fit together, you lose the fear.
Hope this helps and if I would appreciate it if someone more advanced can confirm my statements or correct me.
I really have no idea why a lot of you guys are still on stock?
This is my very first android, and i took 2 hours reading and another hour asking questions. and another hour rooting my phone.
Just root your damn phone.
I have 3 kids. Taking 3 hours out of my day to root my phone is not an option.
I did make time to mess with my htc incredible only because is was a one click trick.
30 minutes a day.. its worth it.
your question should have been "why do you stay unrooted".. THAT it understandable.
Stock ROM is pretty good though.
Cute dog. is there a way to edit topics?
I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
I'm still stock because flashing roms and losing some of my settings got old on my Nexus One. I simply tired of flashing kernels, radios, roms, themes and never really being any happier than I was to start with. Been there done that. I did the whole "I got my first android and want to be like the cool kids and root". I've been using Android and flashing roms for years.
I was always tweaking and I would improve one thing, and another thing would be degraded or broken.I would get better battery life but have to deal with reboots. I would get great GPS but then wifi would break, or the device would get hot...or it would be stable and basically like it was before I ever even rooted in the first place.
CM7 was the best I used(most stable anyway), but even then I got really bored. I tried some Sense roms and really liked them but they were all buggy as hell as well. So I decided to get a Sense device. IF I hated Sense, I would certainly root but then again if I hated sense I wouldn't have bought the Tbolt.
So far I have not had one reboot, not one single issue except that GPS can be slow once in awhile, but then I see folks with rooted devices, flashed kernels and radios complaining of the same thing. Today I went all over town and GPS worked great...it's a random thing.
When I see a rom I HAVE TO HAVE, I'll root and flash it, but so far I have not seen anything that makes me want give up my perfectly working device/os.
With the Nexus One I found the Flavored Ice themes and fell in love with Dark Cherry. I rooted just so I could have that theme. Unfortunately theming is difficult for Sense so there are not really many themes to lure me in.
Some things I DO miss from being rooted, Ad-Free, SetCPU(but again usually ahve to live with some reboots which I hate), being able to flash some cool things like the Hulu apk. no getting around it there are things I miss from being rooted.
However, I have a rooted Moto Zoom and I use that now more than my TBolt. My TBolt has become more like a phone again and I just want it stable for phones calls and navigation.
As a matter of fact, I have rejected Verizon's update because for ONCE I have a device that I am perfectly happy with as is.
If I were going to root it would be to flash this rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1013577
and then install ad-free and a few other apps I miss. As it stands I can afford to pay for tethering so I don't even have any motivation to root for free tethering.
I know, what about bloat? Well I have over a hundred apps installed and I still have 1.97 GB of space left. I came from Nexus One where with zero apps installed I had 120MB of free app space! The apps simply don't bother me being there om my Tbolt. Space isn't an issue for me.
To wrap it up, my battery life is fine, my phone call quality is superior to anything I've ever had. I love the sense UI and my device/os is stable as hell.
I am happy.
PS: FWIW, I did root my TBolt using the one click method at android central just to make sure it would work with the USB port on my computer, I then promptly unrooted it. I can re-root anytime I want. No hurry and I may very well never re-root, especially given that I will be again upgrading my phone again as soon as the next best thing is released(that is not the Charge).
Old MuckenMire said:
I'm still stock because flashing roms and losing some of my settings got old on my Nexus One. I simply tired of flashing kernels, radios, roms, themes and never really being any happier than I was to start with. Been there done that. I did the whole "I got my first android and want to be like the cool kids and root". I've been using Android and flashing roms for years.
I was always tweaking and I would improve one thing, and another thing would be degraded or broken.I would get better battery life but have to deal with reboots. I would get great GPS but then wifi would break, or the device would get hot...or it would be stable and basically like it was before I ever even rooted in the first place.
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While I am rooted, I know exactly what you mean. I am on Das BAMF 1.6.2 and am planning to stay put for awhile. Sometimes I fail to use the best features of my phone because I've recently flashed and don't want to input my user name and PW into Pandora while I am driving down the freeway.
Once we have RIL and are officially supported by CM7 I will get back into the flashing game. I am not a big fan of Sense and have done my best to avoid it on my device using LP, Contapps, Handcent
Guysm
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
nricci said:
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
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Appbrain reinstalls all your apps. Resetting icons/widgets takes 2 mins, tops
nricci said:
Guysm
If you flash new roms every day, how do you rebuild your desktops, reinstall apps, etc? You do this procedure every day????
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I don't think a lot of people flash new roms everyday.
Usually if you are updating a Rom, like from Das bamf 162 to 163, you don't need to wipe. apps, texts, layout, and what not stay the same.
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MoreGone said:
While I am rooted, I know exactly what you mean. I am on Das BAMF 1.6.2 and am planning to stay put for awhile. Sometimes I fail to use the best features of my phone because I've recently flashed and don't want to input my user name and PW into Pandora while I am driving down the freeway.
Once we have RIL and are officially supported by CM7 I will get back into the flashing game. I am not a big fan of Sense and have done my best to avoid it on my device using LP, Contapps, Handcent
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I was the same way with Slacker over the past year. especially because I was rooted and used A2SD, it would always log me out even if I hadn't recently flashed. Slacker just doesn't seem to like being on the SD card and hold the password at the same time. At the end of the day I'm not in any way against rooting and I'm glad it's there as an option for when I get bored. I always do get bored, either with stock or flashing roms...or just with any given device itself.
headcheese said:
I don't think a lot of people flash new roms everyday.
Usually if you are updating a Rom, like from Das bamf 162 to 163, you don't need to wipe. apps, texts, layout, and what not stay the same.
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This is correct. The issue is not UPDATING roms...you get to keep all your settings that way. The issue is having to wipe before flashing a new rom. Me personally, it takes me a whole hell of a lot longer than two minutes to get everything back the way I want it. Downloading all my apps is not the issue. It's getting all of the settings for over a hundred apps back the way I want. Just as an example. Every website I visit I log into with a password. I use Skyfire, stock, Dolphin HD. When I wipe I have to go back and re-log into every damn website I visit again...and I have to do it every time I want to try a new rom...which ends up being often because once you flash one, it leads to another and another, always searching for that perfect rom. I often did flash at least every other day. Most developers would update their rom, fixing or adding something and the temptation was too strong not to test drive it again. But liek I said it makes the device never feel complete because I never settled on anything long term.
I will say this tho, it was rooting and flashing that made me realize how much I enjoyed Sense UI. I tried EVERY rom there was for the N1 and never enjoyed anything the way I did Sense(although I did love ROD's MIUI MoD rom for N1+ LauncherPro Plus...it was quick as hell and had beautiful transitions, not as stable as CM7 tho) and thru root and flashing you can try different UI's and find the one that is right for you. So rooting and flashing is definitely a great thing and like I said I'm glad it's an option I have to admit I miss that little high you get while waiting for a new rom to flash. Wondering if you've soft bricked, and the anticipation of seeing all the goodies new roms contain. The feeling of having total control over your device is nice too.
sublimaze said:
Appbrain reinstalls all your apps. Resetting icons/widgets takes 2 mins, tops
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Doesn't TiBackup reinstall your apps just as well? I don't use Appbrain so I don't know the benefit.
KarukTribe said:
I have 3 kids. Taking 3 hours out of my day to root my phone is not an option.
I did make time to mess with my htc incredible only because is was a one click trick.
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I have four kids and a large closet. Adapt and overcome.
major_works said:
I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
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+1 to this, exactly what I though too.
I bricked my Droid X a couple of times, and was able to get it back every time, but it taught me to be careful.
I flash a new Rom daily and set up a whole new theme every time I always got a new phone that way lol
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major_works said:
I stayed unrooted for about three weeks. It took me that long to work up the nerve to root. After I'd read the procedure through a few times, asked a few questions, and, most importantly, satisfied myself that it was entirely reversible, I went for it.
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I did this too. I plugged my phone into the USB and it took me another hour of rereading the guide before I finally got the nerve to start
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I'm sure I'll root eventually, I'm just kinda in the same boat as MuckenMire, tired on the endless rom shuffle. The TBolt is my first Android, but I'm coming from a number of WinMo 6.x devices. As some of you probably know from experience you pretty much had to flash a custom rom to make many of those phones usable. The Tbolt is a much better user experience stock than any of my old WinMo devices were with custom roms. Right now the bloatware would be the only reason I would bother with root. This phone is fast, stable and highly customizable stock. Right now I just don't see a compelling reason to root it.
That being said, first time I need to teather and VZW wants to charge me, I will probably root. I don't do it often enough to justify paying extra for it.
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I love all these people who claim they are so busy, really come on, you obviously have time if you browse the XDA forums and Im sure you spend a lot of time on facebook.
Get over yourself.
Sorry for this Trollin, It just irritates me.
mitchell4500 said:
I love all these people who claim they are so busy, really come on, you obviously have time if you browse the XDA forums and Im sure you spend a lot of time on facebook.
Get over yourself.
Sorry for this Trollin, It just irritates me.
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I'm over myself. I have time, but I just don't want to root. I'm happy with what I have. None of the roms look that great to me, so why bother? Why do some of you feel like everyone has to root. Like we're idiots cause we're running stock. Why do you really care what others are doing?
Hey people,
This is for us Wind phone users.
SFB is to bring the phone back to a pre-OR rooted state correct?
So we have one for our phones?
If someone has an 2.1 nandroid of just after they rooted and OR installed.. I would really like it.. I think I lost my original.
James
Here's the Stock Wind ROM.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20930893&postcount=59
thank you! I did not find that post in my searches.
I tried to load some of these fake ICS like rom builds last night and crashed the phone.
So I had to go back to stock.. used the Brightpoint SBF .. worked fine, and you know.. after all the playing I have done with the phone.. it was simple and FAST.. but then quickly 2.1 eclair became too simple and I remember why I am playing with ROMS
James
Which ROMs are you playing with? I agree, 2.1 is just not developed enough but 2.2 seems to be perfect for this device. I've played with the CM6 Rom (which would give me random freezes) and the Bravo one (which I'm currently using and is my personal favourite).
you need to keep an eye on the apps you have running in the background
that's why you experience those random slow downs, it doesn't actually freeze
unless you really mean freeze as in you need to wait for more than 5 minutes and still not back to normal and need to take out the battery to reboot
because if it's so, then i don't have that problem
Thanks for the rom I need this.
CM6 was the first I installed and I can't rule out the possibility that it slowed down on me but bravo seems more stable and more polished, like if the phone came stock with it I probably wouldn't try anything else. Not a lot of eye candy, but our device simply doesn't have the hardware to be so pretty. Plus im not eager to use roms that don't use our hardware (buttons, leds, etc.)
Bravo is a really good ROM, no need to apologize.
Hmm I didn't mean to sound like I didn't appreciate CM6. I can understand why so many like it, and I am glad there are people who are willing to give some time to make our phones even better than the day we bought them.
I want to give the miui rom a try too. Can anyone comment on its functionality(especially other Wind users)?
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I find that the MIUI rom is a tad slow and unresponsive. The good news is that just about everything works. Lack of memory causes frequent slowdowns and crashes though.
Personally, I've had trouble getting WIND 3g working on everything but CM6, miui and bravo... I don't know why.
hey guys... my question is twofold:
1) i find all the nandroid, sbf, everything a bit confusing... and im just wondering how to use this wind stock rom to bring back my phone to the original wind rom, is it as simple as putting the file into the Openrecovery/Updates folder and booting into Open Recovery and Applying the update? or will just doing that mess things up?
2) a few months back i installed the cm6 rom for xt720, since then ive had huge problems with the radio - such as not being able to make calls or send texts. calls and texts will usually eventually work - depending on where i am, but i have to try them several to several dozen times before they do. i checked out my radio baseband and it is not the same as it should be for wind. will reflashing to this stock wind rom reset my baseband as well? i tried using the baseband update from this thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1241685) to reset the baseband, but it didnt actually change it.
thanks for anyone who can answer these (noobish) questions
Not sure if you got a reply or not..
With the original ROM you need to use an SBF - I have it, it has been posted here.
Search and you will find the tools you need to re-flash - you need a windows computer, and some software you can download - a clean original ROM cannot be flashed by OR because OR is not in the phone originally.
2. YES putting the phone back to original will be truly original.
James