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Quick question. (searched around and couldn't find this question.)
My girlfriend is using my old tmo n1 on att with no data plan. We have mobile data disabled and she just uses wifi for internet access.
We discovered that with mobile data turned off she can't get pictures in mms messages, even when connected to wifi. We have to turn on mobile data in order for her to get mms pictures.
On her old phone she was able to get mms messages just fine despite no data plan.
will turning on mobile data specifically when she wants to get an mms end up costing extra money despite the fact that she was able to get mms on her old phone with no data plan? (she toggles sync off before turning mobile data on in order to keep gmail from downloading messages and such while on mobile data.)
thanks in advance.
You prolly will hit other chargers
I'm curious what phone she used to use and how she got mms with no data plan cause its been like this for many years that I've used ATT. No data plan has always blocked mms messages for as long as I've known. Interesting.
maybe try calling your service provider.
You should post on the Nexus One forums, this is the Nexus S.
But in general, you do need data service for MMS. I too am curious what phone she had that didn't have mobile data and was able to receive MMS.
Sorry! totally meant to post this in Nexus One forums.
Her previous phone was a Samsung Impression. A cheesy smartphone wannabe.
False, you do NOT need to be paying for a data plan to be able to send and receive MMS. There is typically a separate APN in your device that specifically handles MMS and it does not cost anything.
The problem you can expect is that AT&T will most likely automatically add the $25 2GB data plan because the device will register as a smartphone on their network. Despite it only working on EDGE since it's a T-Mobile variant and despite her not using their data AT ALL, they WILL change her data plan unless she's on an older grandfathered plan. They did it to both of my lines when I picked up the Nexus One last January.
j.bruha said:
The problem you can expect is that AT&T will most likely automatically add the $25 2GB data plan because the device will register as a smartphone on their network. Despite it only working on EDGE since it's a T-Mobile variant and despite her not using their data AT ALL, they WILL change her data plan unless she's on an older grandfathered plan. They did it to both of my lines when I picked up the Nexus One last January.
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I'm not sure that's accurate.
AT&T does not recognize my i9000 phone at all...my account shows it as an unknown device. There's someone else here in this forum who claims he uses a non-AT&T SGS variant on AT&T with the much cheaper data for non-smart-phone plans.
It's a gamble, for sure, but not an absolute.
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I'm not sure that's accurate.
AT&T does not recognize my i9000 phone at all...my account shows it as an unknown device. There's someone else here in this forum who claims he uses a non-AT&T SGS variant on AT&T with the much cheaper data for non-smart-phone plans.
It's a gamble, for sure, but not an absolute.
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It depends mostly on your plan. If you had the $10/month data before AT&T made the switch in September 2009, some customers had a "smartphone exclusion" code added to their account. Having this on your account, you could pop your SIM into any smartphone and your data plan would not be affected.
Those without the smartphone exclusion that activated a smartphone with the $10/month data plan are automatically switched if the IMEI is registered as a smartphone with AT&T. I'm not sure how extensive their list of registered devices is, but it extends beyond the devices they sell as both my T-Mobile Nexus One and later my AT&T Nexus One were both flagged, even though AT&T never sold either of them.
There has been plenty of discussion on this topic in the N1 forums since it originally came out. You are correct, it is a gamble, but not an absolute.
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It depends mostly on your plan. If you had the $10/month data before AT&T made the switch in September 2009, some customers had a "smartphone exclusion" code added to their account. Having this on your account, you could pop your SIM into any smartphone and your data plan would not be affected.
Those without the smartphone exclusion that activated a smartphone with the $10/month data plan are automatically switched if the IMEI is registered as a smartphone with AT&T. I'm not sure how extensive their list of registered devices is, but it extends beyond the devices they sell as both my T-Mobile Nexus One and later my AT&T Nexus One were both flagged, even though AT&T never sold either of them.
There has been plenty of discussion on this topic in the N1 forums since it originally came out. You are correct, it is a gamble, but not an absolute.
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Thanks for the clarification.
Thanks for the information guys. It will be interesting to see if her account has the data plan added on when the bill comes.
mfajmkas said:
Thanks for the information guys. It will be interesting to see if her account has the data plan added on when the bill comes.
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They will typically send you a "polite" text message letting you know it has been changed, so you shouldn't get a surprise bill. Their system does a sweep, so it also may not be applied until after her bill cycle date.
Hi,
I just bought a used HTC G1. With AT&T, there is unlimited internet for non smart phones for $10. Is there any way(APN?) I can use that instead of the 200mb/2GB data plan which is alot more $$$?
BTW, I changed my data package to non smartphone and when I plugged my sim into the G1, I got a message saying that a smartphone data plan is required so it automatically enrolled me in.
saadmallick said:
Hi,
I just bought a used HTC G1. With AT&T, there is unlimited internet for non smart phones for $10. Is there any way(APN?) I can use that instead of the 200mb/2GB data plan which is alot more $$$?
BTW, I changed my data package to non smartphone and when I plugged my sim into the G1, I got a message saying that a smartphone data plan is required so it automatically enrolled me in.
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I'm not sure how you can sign up for the unlimited internet for non-smartphone with AT&T using G1, but here's my case:
I was already an existing AT&T customer & I had a Motorola RAZAR V3 before I got a G1.
I bought a T-Mobile G1 from Craigslist & unlocked it (You have 3 choicea: 1. you can ask one of your T-Mobile friend make a call to T-Mobile unlock it for free, or 2. you can buy the unlock service from eBay, or 3. find an authorized cel phone selling company who offers such service for a fee), then input the APN setting listed below on G1 (if you need more detailed step-by-step instructions, you can try this blog post, but I can't remember if that's the site I followed the setup), then I added AT&T's unlimited medianet data plan (which was offered plan at that time, I think that's back in 2008 or earlier when I did this), as there's no such data plan offered via AT&T anymore - they put me on the unlimited data plan when I switched to Family plan on my account with my family in 2010.
Here's the APN setting works with AT&T - this is what I have on my G1 and it works just fine for everything (except mms - because G1 doesn't have compatible built for AT&T carrier on this particular service):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2822243&postcount=9
The person claim this setting works well, but I haven't tried this setting (it's a false claim on this post that this setting will get you onto AT&T's 3G network), so other than no 3G network, I don't see what this setting benefits you from the previous setting listed above:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4170196&postcount=232
Just thought you might want to know that you can only get onto AT&T's 2G (Edge) network using a G1 cel phone on AT&T carrier:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=4121306&postcount=230
I am a AT&T prepaid user. Can I use the Atrix 4G in it without data plan? I only use Wi-Fi which is much faster.
The AT&T shop assistant man told me that I will not be able to use it if I do not open any date plan. If I am a prepaid user I can not use the phone; If I am a postpaid user I will be notified to add a data plan after I insert the SIM card into the Atrix 4G which is a smartphone.
Currently I also use a smartphone in AT&T network and does not commit any data plan. The phone works great. The shop assistant said the reason is that Atrix 4G is a AT&T phone and will be recognized by AT&T and force to open a data plan.
I do not know whether I should believe him for may be he is just trying to sell me more expensive plans. Is it technically possible to ban prepaid users? Is there any way to avoid this restriction? Since the Atrix 4G smartphone is bought in full price and unlocked, I do not owe AT&T anything. It works in T-Mobile, but does not works in AT&T prepaid, which seems very rediculous.
You may use any phone smartphone that its not ATT branded.
But if the phone is a ATT branded they do detect it using the imei and force you to add the expensive data plan. You may run a few months without been detected, but sooner or later they find out and force you to change plan.
I know this for fact because a used to use a Xperia X1 that came unlock from other carrier on ATT, and they never force me to change plan, but as soon as I started using an Iphone on the network a few weeks later I got a txt msg telling me they detected a smartphone without data plan, and automatically added the data plan.
You can modify in Setting-->Wireless&network-->mobile network-->Access point name. After that, you can set user name, add, pass follow your mobile's network service. Good luck.
have beeen using a atrix since march and have had a iphone since 2g on att using my sim with no data plan. just put the sim in and off you go almost 5 yrs now, and no forced data plan.
Well, ever since ATT started detecting IMEI's when you call someone to automatically add data plans to your account, I can't use my captivate without the data plan being added. Now, I know some phones ATT does not have in their database, so they won't add a data plan because it is an unknown IMEI.
Does anyone have a list of what phones ATT doesn't have in their IMEI database? I'd really like to keep an Android (even something like the HD2 that you can put Android on) phone without having to pay for the data access! I have wi-fi everywhere already!
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Ryan
Did you buy the phone at a discount, or did you get it full price / off eBay or something?
If you paid for it yourself you should be able to talk to someone at ATT to flag your plan for no data or something.
I bought it from ATT, then called and said I broke the phone and they switched the phone on the account to my old flip-phone. I did have data disabled, but they still automatically re-added the data plan once they detected my captivate's IMEI when I made calls. I've complained, and the most they can do is take it off, but the system automatically re-adds it, so I'm ****ed. I was looking to get an HD2, but I read the T-mo ones are detected as blackberries, and the other carrier's HD2 are expensive.
I bought my unlocked Nexus S (i9020) back when it released and have been using it in India. Now I've moved to the States and bought myself an AT&T plan.
I've read that if I insert a SIM into a smartphone, AT&T automatically detects the IMEI as a smartphone and starts charging a data plan. But since my phone was bought unlocked and it isn't an AT&T branded one either, can AT&T start charging me? Also, if they do start charging me, will they charge $20 on the 300MB plan or any other plan?
Not sure how it works in US, but pretty sure AT&T can bill you if you use data on their network, despite you having an unbranded Nexus.
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I'm not going to be switching on data any time cause I have WiFi around me most of the time. So can they still charge me?
As I said I'm not 100% sure, but as long as you don't use data they shouldn't trigger any plan. For all effects for them your nexus S is a dumbphone. At least that's how it works in Europe.
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WinterAce said:
WiFi around me most of the time. So can they still charge me?
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they will eventually detect your smartphone
if you are under contract they apparently can
force a data plan on your line
they got tired of people *****ing about
[and fighting]
giant bills after "not knowing" about data upcharges
...or so the story goes
fwiw
for what it's worth, if you're worried about data usage charges on a line you do not have a data plan for you can call AT&T and ask them to block cellular data on that line. I've done that with my wife's flip phone since the kids keep fiddling with it and accidentally browsing the internet. They were happy to put the block and avoid the alla cart data charges for that line.
Mind you I do have a data plan on my Nexus S.
Thanks for the replies everyone! I'll call AT&T and request them to disable the dataplan. Or I will have to just continue with my N95.
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for what it's worth, if you're worried about data usage charges on a line you do not have a data plan for you can call AT&T and ask them to block cellular data on that line. I've done that with my wife's flip phone since the kids keep fiddling with it and accidentally browsing the internet. They were happy to put the block and avoid the alla cart data charges for that line.
Mind you I do have a data plan on my Nexus S.
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i dont think on att and verizon with a smartphone plan they allow you to block data as then whats the point according to them of having a smartphone and only using it on wifi. I did get a vzw lg android for $5 for my son and it has no service he only uses it on wifi and can use other programs that are web based to text or use free voip like yahoo messenger video chat.
ive been using an i9020a on att for 6 months and they have not detected it or cared. It shows up as a generic dumbphone on my att account. i have data blocked on it to make sure i dont accidentally use data. i also switch between this and an inspire 4g (an official att phone) and they have not added data. Same goes with my brother who uses a hand me down att gs2 on att.
shahravi94 said:
ive been using an i9020a on att for 6 months and they have not detected it or cared. It shows up as a generic dumbphone on my att account. i have data blocked on it to make sure i dont accidentally use data. i also switch between this and an inspire 4g (an official att phone) and they have not added data. Same goes with my brother who uses a hand me down att gs2 on att.
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Can you please explain to me how did you manage to make them block data ? Didn't they argue that you have a smart phone and that you need to keep the data plan if you have a smart phone ? Thanks
bhaismachine said:
Can you please explain to me how did you manage to make them block data ? Didn't they argue that you have a smart phone and that you need to keep the data plan if you have a smart phone ? Thanks
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Supposedly AT&T detects a Smartphone based on the IMEI number of the phone matched up to a database of IMEI numbers of phones that AT&T sold. The latter is a very important point as they did not sell the Nexus One phone, therefore, many argue on various forum posts that AT&T cannot recognize this non-AT&T sold phone as a Smartphone. The same would be true of any phone not sold by AT&T. However, I have yet to come across any posts of anyone that actually owns a non-AT&T sold smartphone who can confirm this and I've been searching far and wide for this confirmation. I'm getting ready to buy a non-AT&T branded unlocked smartphone to try this myself so perhaps I'll be able to confirm. It would be great if the Original Poster provided his experience with this. i.e. did AT&T detect this phone via the sweeps?
To address some other questions and comments in this forum post...keep in mind that AT&T required a data plan for all smartphones activated on its network after September 6, 2009. However, this policy is far from clear and there are many gray areas, this being one. For example, if I had a smart phone active on September 5 with no data plan, and I buy a used Nexus One on eBay and stick my SIM in it, do I need a data plan? I didn't purchase a new phone or "activate" anything on AT&Ts network so I would argue not.
I also not believe it matters if data is enabled on the phone or not. Try this...take the SIM out of your AT&T phone, stick it in another (different) phone, make a phone call, go to OLAM (i.e. OnLine Account Management), and look at the phone that AT&T thinks you have. Data enabled or not, if the phone was sold by AT&T, they will have identified the phone you just used.
Here is another gray area...data plans on a non-Smartphone lines were as low as $10/month. Data plans are enabled the on the line (i.e. the SIM) not the phone, so a SIM with a data plan can be moved from phone to phone (e.g. dumb phone to smart phone) and data will be active so long as the phone supports the active APN (Access Point Name). If I have a dumb phone line with active data and my phone breaks, what if I stick that SIM in a smartphone I have laying around so that I can make a phone call? What is my obligation to contact AT&T and notify them that I need smartphone data plan?
What follows is for reference only for those that may want a deeper understanding of AT&Ts data plans or desire to "experiment..."
AT&T uses two primary APNs: wap.cingular and isp.cinguar. AT&T is now using wap.cingular for dumb phone access and isp.cingular for smart phones access meaning, if your line has dumb phone data active, your phone needs to support the wap.cingualr APN. Most smarter phones allow the creation of custom APNs if it is not built-in.
The login an pw for the two APNs is as follows: wap.cingular is login= [email protected] and pw= cingular1. isp.cingular is login= [email protected] and pw= cingular1.
The ability to enable the various data plans and features on your account is dependent on what type of phone is assigned to your account based on the IMEI number assigned to that account. This is not the same as the automatic detection I mentioned above. The assignment is done by AT&T employees. I do not have exact or inside information, but I surmise that your line is associated with one of about 4 primary phone types: smart phone, iPhone, black berry, or dumb phone. This assignment dictates what data plans and other features are available to you either thru OLAM or via a CSR. For example, if your line is identified as a dumb phone, you will see the dumb phone data plans in OLAM. If you currently have a smart phone on your account, and switch to a dumb phone, you will only see the dumb phone data plans if AT&T switches the assignment to the dumb phone IMEI. This is only done by calling AT&T, not merely by making a phone call from the dumb phone and relying on the automatic detection.
[email protected] said:
for what it's worth, if you're worried about data usage charges on a line you do not have a data plan for you can call AT&T and ask them to block cellular data on that line. I've done that with my wife's flip phone since the kids keep fiddling with it and accidentally browsing the internet. They were happy to put the block and avoid the alla cart data charges for that line.
Mind you I do have a data plan on my Nexus S.
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damn you beat me to it.
I did this for my girlfreind a LONG time ago with my old iphone 2g when i gave it to her. we said she had little kids who play with her phone and could potentially hit some data use (she officially had a garbage pantech with data capabiltites but no plan).
I then would turn off data on the phone and wham she could use it as long as it was unlocked. i then gave her my 3g which i JB and unlocked for her but then just got a used 3gs from my sis who had ATT unlock it for her and then turned off data and she has been using it fine.
I think as long as data is blocked on their end they dont notice. It WILL show the correct phone if you log in her account and even if you change it it will still change back to whatever yoru using but they never tried to start charging her for data. she loves having the phone with WIFI and me tethering my nexus s to her without having to have a 30$ charge on her bill.
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she still uses her regular SIM in the phone and it works for calls/texts normally. she didnt need a different sim for the phone.
Surely you could just delete the APN settings so it couldn't connect on mobile data?
Kitch16 said:
Surely you could just delete the APN settings so it couldn't connect on mobile data?
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You can also just switch off cellular data.
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WinterAce said:
I bought my unlocked Nexus S (i9020) back when it released and have been using it in India. Now I've moved to the States and bought myself an AT&T plan.
I've read that if I insert a SIM into a smartphone, AT&T automatically detects the IMEI as a smartphone and starts charging a data plan. But since my phone was bought unlocked and it isn't an AT&T branded one either, can AT&T start charging me? Also, if they do start charging me, will they charge $20 on the 300MB plan or any other plan?
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It would be great if the Original Poster provided his experience with this after using the phone on the AT&T network for a month or two. i.e. did AT&T detect the Nexus one phone via the sweeps and try to impose a data plan?