anyone know why zune dosnt display all of my album backgrounds? how can i fix it. some albums work others dont. help!
Been wondering this myself, all my music has the correct tag data and album art. However the tile still dislpays the artwork for a track I played days ago
I've played dozens of albums/tracks since
I have the same thing ?
I like joe cooker put to see his face for ever .
WP7 Zune really needs an update to sort out these sort of issues. it would be better if it had the same "find info" and "find album art" option which it has on the PC zune software. theres got to be a way......
You will have to subscribe to Zune Pass to see this working. The backgrounds change when you're streaming music from different artists. There is a free 14 day trial. I have subscribed & its amazing. Give it a try.
weepatc said:
You will have to subscribe to Zune Pass to see this working. The backgrounds change when you're streaming music from different artists. There is a free 14 day trial. I have subscribed & its amazing. Give it a try.
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You don't need the pass for the backgrounds. However to save memory power network use or something it only downloads the art when you go to play the track and then it will only do that if you are on wifi or have a great connection. This is at least how i have come to see it.
I have also found though if you leave zune open on your pc and sync a again a couple of mins later it pushes the art across. I had a similar thing with my zune hd where it took a few syncs to get all the data but this i think is because it has to download more and so to keep it fast just gets the basic data then picks the rest up afterwards.
Same problem here...
I have a zune hd..and 90% of my songs on my zune hd have background and artist information...
Then, i bought my Mozart...and I made a sync with my computer...but only 2% of my music have background!!!
What's going wrong? Same computer, same library, same music...but on my zune hd, i have the background...but nothing on my mozart!!
Same here as well.
Strange thing is, it worked fine for the first day, now it's stopped? I'm stuck with the same background picture on the music hub of my Mozart.
I also can't get Zune on my laptop to change backgrounds? Tried playing music from marketplace, playing from my collection, buying a track from the marketplace. Nothing seems to work? \i've tried with and without Zune pass as well.
Also, does anyone else have a problem with album art displaying on the now playing screen? I can see my album art everywhere else on the music hub, just not on that screen? It's just a black square which if I tap shows the 3 symbols (repeat, shuffle and the heart symbol I think)
Same problem here. Zune really needs to be updated to correct this issue.
I nonetheless found a way to improve things:
- When you open Zune on your PC select "Collection":
- Right click on each of the Album of ur Collection and select "Find information on this album" then save the info.
Bu anyway, many artists are missing and do not appear (e.g. Sparklehorse)
I also tried a soft names "Zune Social Tagger" but it messed up my tags because some Tags used by ZUNE are actually wrong (weird but true) (e.g. it will replace Smog by Bill Callahan)
I tried the Wifi Thing like someone mentioned and it worked but only for one artist paolo nutini. will keep trying. what might be of note is that it worked for one of his albums but not another of his albums. anyway in case peole are not sure what i mean i have now uploaded 2 dics to show the difference....please help! Zune looks so much cooler with artists backgrounds ....... as you should see, the muse album has no background pic. that image is just a reflection of my head. sorry.
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I tried the Wifi Thing like someone mentioned and it worked but only for one artist paolo nutini. will keep trying. what might be of note is that it worked for one of his albums but not another of his albums. anyway in case peole are not sure what i mean i have now uploaded 2 dics to show the difference....please help! Zune looks so much cooler with artists backgrounds ....... as you should see, the muse album has no background pic. that image is just a reflection of my head. sorry.
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Thanks for the info and pics. I'll keep trying as well!
1 thing tho, on your pics, you have the album art showing on your now playing screen, did you do anything different to get the art showing there or did it work automatically once you synced with Zune on your computer? I still can't get this to show for any of my albums??
ah sorry thats my now playing screen but it does also work on the album screens. some pics worked automatically and others dont. i really cant find a reason for this. i think syncing may be the best option though but cant prove it yet
Cool. Glad you've managed to get it working!
I'll keep at this and will post if I find anything interesting. I'm in 2 minds whether to take all the music off and start from the beginning!
it still only works for some albums hoping someone knows how to really make it work though im sure wp7 Zune needs an update
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I have also found though if you leave zune open on your pc and sync a again a couple of mins later it pushes the art across. I had a similar thing with my zune hd where it took a few syncs to get all the data but this i think is because it has to download more and so to keep it fast just gets the basic data then picks the rest up afterwards.
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Thats the way the Zune HD works and is documented (works that way on mine, took about 5 days to load them all). After the sync ends, backgrounds, bios etc are slowly loaded. In the HD's case it is evident on the screen, where it goes from Syncing to Sync Complete (downloading data) to Connected (once it has stopped downloading).
What they recommend is to leave connected to the Zune software overnight. Of course, when it downloads from the market while streaming, it keeps them.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/zune/thread/d0019422-1eb2-4604-8a81-7dedd04935d5 (for the HD)
another thing that helps aside from leaving the zune device or phone connected overnight a few times is waiting until you see the status as "Connected" vs "Sync Complete" Sync complete means it has the songs and basic data, Connected means it isn't doing anything. (on the phones you'll need to go to zune, pictures, or anyplace that brings up the sync status, while on the devices, you have no choice it goes there as long as its talking to the software)
I could be that your not letting the sync finish, i know with the zune HD
while it syncs it says syncing
once the music is on the zune it says sync complete
But you have to wait until it says just "complete" to get the backgrounds
also make sure all of the artist are tagged correctly
EDIT: i didnt see ckacey post, my bad
damn, i hope this all gets straightened out. That's a big thing for me. It's really frustrating when u spend all that time organizing and getting all the info correct for your deviced and then it still doesn't work.
This may also have to do with how your artwork is organized on your pc. I find that following a similar setup to iTunes (giving each artist/album) their own folder, really helps things like WMP and other devices to get the album art right.
Hi.
I solved the problem.
Go to Zune (at your Desktop) and select the album with the missing cover than right-click there. Now you should see "Add cover" (or something similar)(I have the German Version). You can now add the cover and after the next sync with your Windows Phone you will see cover at your mobile device.
Hope it works for you, too.
getting the album art isnt the problem, the problem is getting the Artist background working. some albums will only display the cover, when they should show both the cover AND the artist background. i have yet to try leaving my phone attached to the pc and leaving it on all night as this seems really silly. but will do it anyway.
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I believe the HTC Hero has a softkey-menu called "share" in the camera-function, for instant upload to facebook, twitter, youtube and so on.
Is there any way to add this to the TD2? A dedicated share-menu, without the hazzle of browsing your way to the site and then uploading. Or maybe a little upload-app could be written?
anyone?
i know shozu can achieve this - but it would be good to have something built into the manila software...
For others interested, I found a solution to this one, at least for me. I've used ShoZu earlier, on symbian, in which you had to open shozu, click upload, browse your album, and then upload. So I didn't bother trying that at first, because for that I could just use the Microsoft Facebook app.
But, I downloaded ShoZu yesterday, mostly for fun to see how it is on winmo. Nothing apparantly different.
BUT, when I snapped a picture later in the day, I discover that ShoZu is automatically linked with your camera! As soon as I'd taken the picture, within a second, a ShoZu-menu popped up, asking if I wanted to share the photo(to facebook, which is my default in ShoZu. You can however choose whichever social site you prefer). And Shozu was not running beforehand.
As neat it would be to have this in the manila-menu, I think this was even better. You don't even have to click your way to a share-menu, all you have to do after taking a pic/video, is press "yes" and it's instantly uploaded!
You can also choose to add tags and info before uploading.
Hello,
I present you my first application for Android called Lazik/Lazik+!
It's a remote control for Winamp media player compatible with versions 1.6 to 2.2 of Android.
Here are a few screenshots to get an idea of rendering:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Two versions are available, Lazik which is free and supported by ads and Lazik + (1.69 €)
Lazik features:
.playback controls
.playlist
.media library
.search
.display album covers
Lazik+ features:
.no ads
.conection over 3g,edge,...
.fetches missing album covers
.more to come
Possible actions from the madia library have been thought to be as practicable as possible:
- Enqueue at the end of the playlist
- Enqueue just after the current song
- Enqueue just after the current song and play immediately
- Play immediately at the current position in the playlist or at the end of it
To operate Lazik you must install a plugin for Winamp, More information and a tutorial are available at: http://www.bypops.com.
Feel free to comment and report any bugs you might encounter
Lazik :
Lazik+ :
Sweet! This is the best program to control winamp I've come across. It's 99% perfect! (apart from a few grammatical errors )
Works brilliantly on my rooted Desire!
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Sweet! This is the best program to control winamp I've come across. It's 99% perfect! (apart from a few grammatical errors )
Works brilliantly on my rooted Desire!
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Thanks for the comment
About grammatical errors, feel free to send me corrections on the support email address if you are motivated enough. I'm french so my English is not perfect ...
Will do so. In the mean time, the only gripe I have with it is that you can't use the scroll bar to advance a track. In fact, it doesn't move at all. Is that a Lazik+ feature only? Also, sometimes it takes a while for the controls to show when you press the album art.
Well, the only things wrong with the text I've found were in the server management: "Search for servers" would sound nicer. As well as Searching for servers when the app is looking for them.
Keep working on the app, it's awesome, but I have a few suggestions if you don't mind, hehe...
Would be nice if the search would use the standard Android search functionality, as it is, it's kinda odd.
Also the colours are quite ghastly. The design isn't bad, but the colour choice is quite off, if you ask me.
But these are just my suggestions, still your app.
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Will do so. In the mean time, the only gripe I have with it is that you can't use the scroll bar to advance a track. In fact, it doesn't move at all. Is that a Lazik+ feature only? Also, sometimes it takes a while for the controls to show when you press the album art.
Well, the only things wrong with the text I've found were in the server management: "Search for servers" would sound nicer. As well as Searching for servers when the app is looking for them.
Keep working on the app, it's awesome, but I have a few suggestions if you don't mind, hehe...
Would be nice if the search would use the standard Android search functionality, as it is, it's kinda odd.
Also the colours are quite ghastly. The design isn't bad, but the colour choice is quite off, if you ask me.
But these are just my suggestions, still your app.
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The seeking scrollbar should be working, even in the free version. Maybe it's too small for you to be able to drag it. It's size will be changed as some people asked for that.
For the grammatical problems, I'll update it, maybe with your suggestion, or maybe by changing the way it's told.
Concerning the search suggestion, I will consider it but I can't say if I will change it or not. It will depend on how it have to be implemented and if it would prevent some current functionnalities ... The colors have been choosed to integrate in the android UI, because they are colors used in Android. They won't change for the moment as I have some more importants things to implement, but I will try so change them to see what result I can have when I'll have some time to. Maybe it could be a theme option in a future version (but certainly only for Lazik+ users).
By the way I have seen some posts of you on other forums about my App, so I want to thank you for that, since I don't know all good english forums for Android ...
Yeah, no problem, great apps should be shared. As for the design, I REALLY REALLY like the way DoubleTwist is done, it's a real treat to look at.
First of, great great work!
Works really well!
Side note: People please note that you need to have proper firewall settings.
Some things I noticed.
The app found my winamp server, I then flipped open my keyboard to type in my server name (This was on a HTC DREAM: G1) , yet the little window disappeared and went behind the add and search server window.
When installing the plugin, the installer automatically kills winamp. Dunno if its stated somewhere, it didn't bother me though!
Anyways, thanks again! Real nice app!
Works great with my 2.2 Desire!
But... When I start the App, WiFi is enabling itself. I would like to control my Winamp trough my 3G connection.
I'm using a VPN, so the local ip-address is no problem. Also with a portmap in my router it should be possible to use it externally. All you have to do is turn off the automatic WiFi enabler and add support for connections over 3g?
Keep it on!
I love the app, simple and works a treat
here' s a couple of suggestions:
+1 on scrollbar size, it's a bit tricky to use it
would it be possible to add bookmarks support? I have all my radio links there...
I' ll play with it a little bit more an post more
I've been looking for something like this to control music playback on my PC from bed, thanks!
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Yeah, no problem, great apps should be shared. As for the design, I REALLY REALLY like the way DoubleTwist is done, it's a real treat to look at.
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I don't really agree..
Double twist's gradients look bad and it all looks a bit 'cheap'.
There is too much wasted space and no instant easy access button to get back to library or playlist. Stock HTC music app is much more practical and usable, and looks cleaner and more profession.
Judging by the screenshots the design of this app looks great
Well, to each their own. A sort of theme would be nice, yes. Standard for you, a bit different for me.
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Works great with my 2.2 Desire!
But... When I start the App, WiFi is enabling itself. I would like to control my Winamp trough my 3G connection.
I'm using a VPN, so the local ip-address is no problem. Also with a portmap in my router it should be possible to use it externally. All you have to do is turn off the automatic WiFi enabler and add support for connections over 3g?
Keep it on!
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I already thinked about this possibility, but judged it would be too hard to use for a simple user without computer skills. Anyway, your post shows me some people would like to use Lazik over 3g. I didn't gave it a try but it should work. Maybe it won't be in the next release but I'll add an option to disable automatic wifi in the future, so that "experimented" users would be able to test it over 3g. The way I thinked it would be not to hard was by using a service like no-ip.com, so that you could use an alias, and not your internet ip. By the way, router configuration will be necessary, but you seem to already know that Send me an email on lazik support so I'll be able to contact you when a version with this option will be available
Gorkytje said:
First of, great great work!
Works really well!
Side note: People please note that you need to have proper firewall settings.
Some things I noticed.
The app found my winamp server, I then flipped open my keyboard to type in my server name (This was on a HTC DREAM: G1) , yet the little window disappeared and went behind the add and search server window.
When installing the plugin, the installer automatically kills winamp. Dunno if its stated somewhere, it didn't bother me though!
Anyways, thanks again! Real nice app!
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Thanks for the comment
The fact that the installer kills Winamp is normal, because Winamp needs to restart in order to see the new plugin.
Concerning the problem you mentionned while entering the server name, I wasn't aware of it since I never had the possibility to try Lazik on a G1 or any device with physical keyboard. I'll try to find why this occurs ... For the moment I advice users to use the virtual keyboard here.
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I love the app, simple and works a treat
here' s a couple of suggestions:
+1 on scrollbar size, it's a bit tricky to use it
would it be possible to add bookmarks support? I have all my radio links there...
I' ll play with it a little bit more an post more
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Thanks for the comment
Concerning the bookmarks, I never used them in Winamp but it could be a good thing to add them to Lazik. I can't promise it will be added quickly but it will be added to my todo list for a future version
THIS APP IS AMAZING! It works so unbelievably quick and well its really astonishing. Not quite perfect, but oh so close. (Winamp is also still the best music player in my opinion)
Bugs:
- The seek bar doesn't "seek"/There is no way to seek through a song
- There is no way to remove songs from playlist
Suggestions:
- Make seek and volume bars larger in the 'play screen'
- when you tap on a song on the playlist (or on the play button to the right of the song), a "back, play/pause, next" should hover up at the bottom or top of the playlist to give you more control within the playlist. Also, a seek bar should hover over the playing song. (I realize this would kinda take the place of the playback screen...)
- Alternate suggestion to previous one: Add a 'tap to play' queue to the playback screen.
- long press song in playlist to remove or move. Something similar to the home screen icons where a trash can pops up would be consistent and nice.
Suggestions that I'm not sure are possible:
- In the media library, when you navigate to a song, you should be able to tap it (not on the "+") to play the song, but NOT add it to your playlist. (should have similar hovering controls as in the playlist but of course no next/back cuz its not a playlist, its your media library)
- A way to save the playlist to the phone or to the computer
- A way to transfer song to phone or download all playlist songs to phone
- A way to stream music to the phone exclusively or at the same time as the computer
- Be able to 'screen' a song on your playlist from your phone WITHOUT having it play back on the computer (this builds upon the previous suggestion)
- Have the streaming music to the phone perfectly in sync with computer (Mac's Airport does this as well as a PC application called "Airfoil")
The last two suggestions would be absolutely invaluable to this app as it would CLEARLY distinguish the app from anything of the like. They would also be an incredible asset in a light DJish environment. Not to mention the phone would basically turn into a wireless speaker access point which I would gladly pay cash monies for if it worked as excellently as the app currently does.
Ridiculous Suggestions:
- Since you're already installing a plugin, add a simple VPN client built into the application so that you can access your music from your computer and play the music over the phone. (this builds upon the previous suggestions)
- Link multiple computers on the network using Winamp and send songs to be played on different computers (I don't even know what I would do with that function)
- A way to play songs from the phone, on the computer in the same synced/exclusive manner
- Ummm, don't hit me, but, video playback support?
Many of these suggestions require the app to have a full music player within the app which just might be FAR outside the scope of a "controller app". I personally don't like DoubleTwist at all, but I could see the majority of these suggestions (if possible) being rolled into the DoubleTwist app.
Ultimately I believe the implementation of the majority of my suggestions are limited by the audience. Unless this app becomes like a renowned/feature app on Android, I couldn't see anyone expending that much energy developing it...
Excellent app! AMAZING job! Thank you VERY much! Keep up the exemplary work!
Just bought your app. Works very well, but I've got one bug to tell you:
When I create a playlist in Winamp and select a track via your app, it doesn't show the cover on my device (HTC Desire with 2.2). In Winamp the cover is shown properly. I tried it with several mp3s, so I don't think it is a problem of a specific mp3.
I just tried to find the problem and I think it is a problem concerning the media database. All mp3s included in the main- and subdirectories are display with cover. But sometimes you wanna listen to the mp3 before archiving them. They are stored temporarily on my Desktop, but not on my media drive.
Would be very nice if you are able to include cover support for this setting (mp3 which are not in the database) as well.
Another 'bug': When Playing a track of your playlist and removing it while playing in Winamp, the main view of your app switches to the next song, but Winamp continues to play the song you just removed (which is a feature). Would be better if the plugin updates the current song after the song has finished to play.
Just found another small bug: When you search in your media library the searchbar at the bottom covers the last entry of your search results.
added on 28.08.: isn't it possible zu merge all tracks of one album together? Now all tracks of each album are show seperatly, even when i search for an album explicitly.
Nice work Mr.
I have a suggestion that might be doable.. Can you hook into the fact that a phone call is coming in and have it pause the music during the phone call? Might also be nice to have it as an option.. also to have it so u have to manually press play again so u don't get blasted as soon as you hang up the phone.
Really excited about this app. A lot of positive reactions. And indeed there hasn't been a proper winamp remote app on the market. But finally here it is!
But i have the following problem on a Windows XP sp3 installation at work:
I can't find the server and cannot connect to the IP adress the server should be running. Also, I'm not sure the server is installing like it should. Because I can't find the plugin in Winamp's plugins list. (Anyone know what it is called?)
Furthermore i'd like to add that Winamp had an iTunes plugin installed, but it did not have iTunes installed. So it would promt that it needed iTunes installed in order to use that plugin. Maybe this could mess things up? I'm just guessing.
The Windows firewall is turned off, but I do have Norton AV 2008 running. I couldn't find any settings for port managing so i thought Norton leaves this alone.
I tried turning the Windows firewall on and make an exception on port 5976, but no luck.
I'll try it in a few minutes at home on a Windows 7 64 bit box. (Without the iTunes plugin.)
But does anyone have some suggestions on how to get it to work at the bar I work in.
Regards,
DaanJordaan
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Works fine at home! Really cool app!
Great app.
Working on Magic 2.2
and on Hero 2.2
A lock screen widget/controlls could be cool
You guys ever hear of Subsonic?
After the epic fail of Google Music (for me) due to
-a bug in it's Music Manager that first prevented me from logging in by giving the dreaded "Only two accounts can be used per computer" error. The funny part was that this was my first time installing Music Manager to my computer so obviously only 1 account was used.
After I found a workaround for that problem (set my ethernet card to a random mac address), I was able to get it to work and got all my music uploaded. That in itself took about 4 days...I should have ditched Google Music right then. But damn the app looked so damn good!
So I go to upload some more music today and now I get another error, "Login failed"....I used the right username and password and it just wouldn't work so I decided to ditch it cause it's more hassle than it's worth.
I still want a streaming music service for when the mood strikes so I did some searching around and stumbled upon Subsonic. After reading about I decided to give it a shot and am diggin' it. While it's not anything that looks sexy, or even current for that matter, it's simplicity, small footprint, customizability and ease of use (it took all of 5-10 seconds to show all of my music!) I highly suggest it.
https://market.android.com/details?...5zb3VyY2Vmb3JnZS5zdWJzb25pYy5hbmRyb2lkYXBwIl0.
Do you know if you have to use their pc server software or can you use a free one?
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Do you know if you have to use their pc server software or can you use a free one?
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Not sure. I just used thiers.
So let me preface by saying Ive gone from iPhone to Android and have been watching WP since launch and plan on it being my next OS after I can get a hold of an off contract Verizon phone relatively cheaply or when my upgrade is up. I love how fluid it seems with its native apps and I want to get away from my buggy and laggy/stuttering Droid X (Which is the same for everyone I know with one).
But there's some things that you really don't take into account when you don't actually use the device everyday, so I figured Id ask here and see how WP stacks up.
What I am looking for info on:
-I use Android's file system to store non-market/root APK's to reinstall apps after wiping/updating the phone and such. I would like to unlock my WP for things like screenshot utilities; how does that whole scene work in a quick summary? I know about Chevron, but how are these apps distributed, updated etc.?
-How are non-native apps with scrolling smoothness these days in Mango? I cant stand the lag and stuttering in Android.
-Can you download from IE to the file system with homebrew? How about natively?
-How does Skydrive work for installers/loading installers, PDF's and other non-Office files? Can you browse it like a filesystem, as I currently use it as a Network Drive on my PC anyways.
-Does the universal volume setup become an issue? I use my phone as my PMP with headphones all the time, then I need it to be on vibrate for class and in general, also alarms randomly, and occasionally I play games with the media on. Will I be missing alarms or leaving the ringer on in class if I don't pay close attention or is it mainly just when going headphones to media? I dont quite understand how it works specifically.
-Quick ways to toggle WiFi and screen brightness with homebrew?
-Back up options for app settings and things if a wipe happens?
-Do you find yourself ever getting annoyed with the animations or the app list for less used apps that still get accessed once in a while?
-How bad is board reader for browsing forums or the free reddit apps? They dont have great ratings.
-Am I going to be panning a lot in IE without text reflow? I usually browse/do everything in portrait and dont like landscape much FYI.
Anything you really miss about Android or iOS?
I only know of TouchXplorer for HTC for file management but im sure there are others for the other brands. Not sure how you would go about storing files for re installation. Dont think anyone has figured out how to invoke the xap installer from files on the phone. Most of these apps are found here on XDA
Most apps are pretty smooth. Depends on the dev. Id say they are all smoother than android though.
Dont think you can download to the file system from IE
You can access Skydrive from the office hub. You can open media files and pdfs etc. Once again not sure about install files.
I havent had a problem with the volume. I use my phone for media and games. I just put it on vibrate when i need to which is easy to do on the lock screen.
Cant toggle from the homescreen yet, there are apps that are shortcuts to the setting though
There is a homebrew backup program here on XDA somewhere
I dont get annoyed by the animations. They make for a nice experience
The XDA app is a version of board express i believe and its not too bad. I Haven't tried any of the Reddit apps
There is a bit of panning. I find its just easier to find a good zoom level that you can read it on
Hope i helped
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What I am looking for info on:
-I use Android's file system to store non-market/root APK's to reinstall apps after wiping/updating the phone and such. I would like to unlock my WP for things like screenshot utilities; how does that whole scene work in a quick summary? I know about Chevron, but how are these apps distributed, updated etc.?
I've never used TouchXplorer, so I don't even know if it is compatible with Mango, but if it is it would be the only file explorer option I know of. WP is not designed as an open system, so file explorers are not officially supported.
-How are non-native apps with scrolling smoothness these days in Mango? I cant stand the lag and stuttering in Android.
I have around 175 third party apps installed on my phone, and at least half of them exhibit enough lag/stutter that it is noticeable, and some are quite annoying, even some of the major apps (such as Accuweather.com and USA Today). Generally, it seems that if an app is fetching data from the internet while it is also rendering to the display, you will probably notice some lag/stutter. I've never owned an Android, but from the videos I've seen on YouTube and also from what I've observed watching my son use his Samsung Captivate, the lag (at least in third party apps) is comparable.
-Can you download from IE to the file system with homebrew? How about natively?
All apps are sandboxed on WP, so downloading to "the filesystem" is not supported.
-How does Skydrive work for installers/loading installers, PDF's and other non-Office files? Can you browse it like a filesystem, as I currently use it as a Network Drive on my PC anyways.
Again, I don't know about homebrew, but generally speaking SkyDrive only supports photos and Office documents from your phone.
-Does the universal volume setup become an issue? I use my phone as my PMP with headphones all the time, then I need it to be on vibrate for class and in general, also alarms randomly, and occasionally I play games with the media on. Will I be missing alarms or leaving the ringer on in class if I don't pay close attention or is it mainly just when going headphones to media? I dont quite understand how it works specifically.
This one is a bit tricky. As far as missing alarms due to turning the ringer on or off, that is probably not likely. Turning vibrate-only mode on or off is remarkably simple on WP. Just wake up the phone, press either volume control, and then tap the ringer icon to toggle it on or off.
However, that is the good news. The bad news is that the universal volume means that having the volume high enough to be able to hear the phone ring from your pocket also means that any app, game or media will also blast out of the phone at annoyingly loud levels. And conversely, if you turn the volume down far enough to play a game or listen to music at a comfortable level, but forget to turn it back up when you are done, you will miss calls, guaranteed. It has happened to me more times than I care to count.
-Quick ways to toggle WiFi and screen brightness with homebrew?
Quick setting toggles are not supported. You can, however, get a reasonably adequate shortcuts to the four main toggles (WiFI, 3G, Airplane mode, and Bluetooth) on your start screen. The unfortunate annoyance is that, depending on how you lay out your start screen, you may have a few button presses/scroll swipes necessary to complete the toggle of a setting). As for brightness, there is no toggle support for that.
-Back up options for app settings and things if a wipe happens?
There is no support for backup of app settings, game saves or SMS messages, period. None at all. You can (using a homebrew app) perform a complete device backup, but it cannot be transferred to another device.
-Do you find yourself ever getting annoyed with the animations or the app list for less used apps that still get accessed once in a while?
Do the animations annoy me? Yes. Contrary to the apparently popular opinion here, I find much of the animation on the start screen to be gimmicky (the people hub, game hub, and "me" hub icons especially so). And many third party apps flip their icons for no reason at all, just for the sake of flipping it. For example Flixster flips the tile between a static photo of a currently-playing movie on one side (with the program icon in the corner), and the program icon filling the tile on the other side. It serves no purpose.
With that said, SOME of the app tiles are VERY useful, such as most weather apps, which usually flip between current conditions and forecast conditions. Being a weather junky, I love that feature.
Regarding the app list, it is more than just an annoyance, it is a major frustration for me, every single day. With no app grouping capabilities at all (I wouldn't care HOW it was implemented, I just want SOMETHING implemented), finding apps in a long list can be a real chore. I don't like it at all. If you only ever plan to have 20 or 30 apps, it might be OK. But if you need more than that, the number of taps and flicks and swipes needed to find and launch an app can be time-consuming.
-How bad is board reader for browsing forums or the free reddit apps? They dont have great ratings.
I've only used the trial version of Board Express, and didn't like it at all. Most of the reports from people here are that it is painfully bad to use.
-Am I going to be panning a lot in IE without text reflow? I usually browse/do everything in portrait and dont like landscape much FYI.
That depends entirely on the layout of the web sites you visit. On some sites, the tap-to-zoom works very well, and makes the text fill the screen (without reflow, of course) at a nominally readable size. But on other sites, it just doesn't help at all, and I end up panning quite a bit.
Anything you really miss about Android or iOS?
I've never owned either, so I can't say. However, unless things change I will most likely be moving to an iPhone within a couple of months. WP has a LOT going for it, but unfortunately (for me) it still has too many gaps in its features, and some of them are too annoying to just live with them and wait patiently on Microsoft.
I hope the features that I need do get added in future updates, because I'd be happy to switch back. But after reading the snarky attitude of many of the fans here, I can't help but wonder if that same attitude isn't prevalent at Microsoft, which would kind of imply that those features won't be coming any time soon.
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To be honest, from your questions, I would say you would be better off staying with android, don't get me wrong, i love wp7 and it does everthing i need it to do, but you may find some of the stuff you want is not available and get frustrated.
I just switched and am very happy! After two years on android, wp7 feels so smooth and coherent
IMHO, go to a store or carrier centre and request a WP7 and play with it, as from what I believe, everyone has their own preferences.
My advise would be to stay away if you're a tweaker, which is sounds like you are.
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My advise would be to stay away if you're a tweaker, which is sounds like you are.
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I was though, but sometimes you get sick of constantly flashing roms, chaning things around, and want something that just works.
I'm happy that now it seems as if I have much more time since I'm not constantly fiddling with my phone 24/7.
I guess that is dependent on the person themselves though
What I am looking for info on:
-I use Android's file system to store non-market/root APK's to reinstall apps after wiping/updating the phone and such. I would like to unlock my WP for things like screenshot utilities; how does that whole scene work in a quick summary? I know about Chevron, but how are these apps distributed, updated etc.?
*No, you will be stuck at your pc for deploying XAPs. However Dotcomp says there is a way to deploy XAPs from IE.
MS security is a complete joke, you can just download the XAPs from MS.
-How are non-native apps with scrolling smoothness these days in Mango? I cant stand the lag and stuttering in Android.
* Well get used to it, its the exact same on WP7. However there aren't many apps with long scroll list, most take advantage of Metro.
-Can you download from IE to the file system with homebrew? How about natively?
*NO, and no
-How does Skydrive work for installers/loading installers, PDF's and other non-Office files? Can you browse it like a filesystem, as I currently use it as a Network Drive on my PC anyways.
*Skydrive was a afterthought on this OS, my opinion. Works great for Office documents, OneNote, and pics. That's it.
-Does the universal volume setup become an issue? I use my phone as my PMP with headphones all the time, then I need it to be on vibrate for class and in general, also alarms randomly, and occasionally I play games with the media on. Will I be missing alarms or leaving the ringer on in class if I don't pay close attention or is it mainly just when going headphones to media? I dont quite understand how it works specifically.
* Depends on you. I'm used to multiple volume settings, so its a pain to me.
-Quick ways to toggle WiFi and screen brightness with homebrew?
* If you can call a wifi icon on homesreen quick, then yes, other than that NO.
-Back up options for app settings and things if a wipe happens?
*If on the go, NO. If at your PC, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19341502#post19341502
-Do you find yourself ever getting annoyed with the animations or the app list for less used apps that still get accessed once in a while?
* Actually the animations are what make this phone. They're pretty quick and elegant. I like the live tiles, but they ruin the glance and go concept, because I have to wait on it to flip.
The app list is horrid.
-How bad is board reader for browsing forums or the free reddit apps? They dont have great ratings.
*Board Express made by Tapatalk, is nothing like Tapatalk on Android or IOS. It is like a sick joke. The browser is faster on WP.
-Am I going to be panning a lot in IE without text reflow? I usually browse/do everything in portrait and dont like landscape much FYI.
* Double tap usually makes the text readable, but if the site has text and pictures you want to see, you're SOL.
Also if you like to read comments, or deal with a HTML5 website, you will find yourself having to load the full website a lot. I can't even get the smartphone version of mobile sites, IE9 doesn't render some correctly.
Anything you really miss about Android or iOS?
YES! GOOGLE APPS! GAMES!
Youtube on Android is the greatest, Lazytube comes close but you have to pay for it.
Im used to sitting on my couch and flinging websites and videos from my phone to the TV(google tv), impossible on WP7.
Custom SMS, ringtones, and email notifications. You can do custom ringtones but its a hassle.
I can say I like the Email on WP7, however its not instant like on IOS or Android.
Oh, there is no auto update option. If there is a app that needs updating you have to open the market and tell it to update.
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All of that being sad, you could still be Happy using WP7. It just totally depends on what you use your phone for.
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my lady took over the vibrant, lol.
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Another thing, some people say they get tired of flashing custom roms on Android. The exact same OPTION is avaliable on WP7. You don't HAVE to flash either.
there are no custom roms for my phone...
I was continually trying to get my phone smoother, and smoother on android.
I just don't feel the need to with this. Once again, just my own two cents. I never said that it would be the same for everyone
Thanks for the replies so far. It helped me get a better feeling for WP and it seems like I should really just wait for all the new OS updates like Ice Cream and iOS 5.x+/iPhone 5 before diving into WP. I am a slight tweaker of Android, but I don't actually want to do that very much anymore. I just want a phone that works and suits my needs. Android suits my needs, but doesn't really work great and it annoys me.
WP seems like it would be okay for me. Im not an app whore anymore since Ive been a smartphone user for several years now and I pretty much just like to be able to get the news, read some forums, text a lot, use yelp to find places to eat, and occasionally pass some time on leisure games. Android is pretty weak as far as finding decent games IMO and I think WP could actually be better in that regard (iPhone is the only one I would consider good for leisure games, but if Ive gotten by on Android this long I think WP could be okay, especially since I still would have an iPhone and Droid for those games). Right now, using Launcher 7 on Android I only use 2.5 screens of tiles so Im not going to have too much of an issue with the app list I think (Homebrew folders support will do me fine in that regard as I can toss all the leisure games in there also).
What I am still unclear on is viewing PDFs that are hosted on websites because its a situation that I run into frequently enough that I need it to be able to view PDFs from sites or Skydrive (Either one). Can I navigate with IE to a site with a link to a hosted PDF and view it or not?
Can I leave my phone on vibrate (no ring) and still play headphones without turning the ring back on in doing so? This would be a huge issue if not because I can't be having my phone go off in class all the time. I rarely take my phone off vibrate, so I want to make sure I can leave silent/vibrate on and still play Zune without turning the ringer back on.
Does vibrate mean that alarms only vibrate and dont sound? ie. do I need to take my phone off silent ringer/vibrate all night if I want to hear an alarm in the morning?
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I like how well Microsoft has seemingly written WP and I think eventually it will be great after Win8 and WP8. Maybe I just need to hold off for those phones and not waste money getting an off contract phone. If Win8+WP8+XBOX+Live services doesnt bring very tight integration and some nice new features, I think I'll lose all the faith Ive put into Microsoft the past 15 years.
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Can I leave my phone on vibrate (no ring) and still play headphones without turning the ring back on in doing so? This would be a huge issue if not because I can't be having my phone go off in class all the time. I rarely take my phone off vibrate, so I want to make sure I can leave silent/vibrate on and still play Zune without turning the ringer back on.
Does vibrate mean that alarms only vibrate and dont sound? ie. do I need to take my phone off silent ringer/vibrate all night if I want to hear an alarm in the morning?
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With Mango both of these issues are addressed. You can put your ringer on vibrate and still listen to music, and even adjust the volume without affecting the "vibrate only" setting. However, when you turn the ringer back on, it will be on at the current volume setting, not what it was before.
Also, you can have the ringer on vibrate and still hear alarms. In fact, alarms are now treated as "special" by the OS, and they ignore both the volume and ringer (vibrate) settings. They start low, and get progressively louder until dismissed.
Mike415 said:
I like how well Microsoft has seemingly written WP and I think eventually it will be great after Win8 and WP8. Maybe I just need to hold off for those phones and not waste money getting an off contract phone. If Win8+WP8+XBOX+Live services doesnt bring very tight integration and some nice new features, I think I'll lose all the faith Ive put into Microsoft the past 15 years.
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WP will eventually be fantastic, and the ecosystem will mature. But I have to be honest and say that for me it isn't there yet, and it is unclear how long it will take to get there. If your only option right now is to go off contract to get a WP device, I would have to suggest that you wait at least until Apollo is released (which, by all credible accounts will be Q4 of next year).
My reason for saying this is because each time Microsoft does fix a problem, they do an admirable job. But they need to (IMO) be more aggressive with their release schedule. Following the "one small release mid year and one major release annually" model isn't enough. There should be smaller patch releases to address issues, rather than making people suffer with them for 6+ months.
Mike415 said:
Thanks for the replies so far. It helped me get a better feeling for WP and it seems like I should really just wait for all the new OS updates like Ice Cream and iOS 5.x+/iPhone 5 before diving into WP. I am a slight tweaker of Android, but I don't actually want to do that very much anymore. I just want a phone that works and suits my needs. Android suits my needs, but doesn't really work great and it annoys me.
WP seems like it would be okay for me. Im not an app whore anymore since Ive been a smartphone user for several years now and I pretty much just like to be able to get the news, read some forums, text a lot, use yelp to find places to eat, and occasionally pass some time on leisure games. Android is pretty weak as far as finding decent games IMO and I think WP could actually be better in that regard (iPhone is the only one I would consider good for leisure games, but if Ive gotten by on Android this long I think WP could be okay, especially since I still would have an iPhone and Droid for those games). Right now, using Launcher 7 on Android I only use 2.5 screens of tiles so Im not going to have too much of an issue with the app list I think (Homebrew folders support will do me fine in that regard as I can toss all the leisure games in there also).
What I am still unclear on is viewing PDFs that are hosted on websites because its a situation that I run into frequently enough that I need it to be able to view PDFs from sites or Skydrive (Either one). Can I navigate with IE to a site with a link to a hosted PDF and view it or not?
Can I leave my phone on vibrate (no ring) and still play headphones without turning the ring back on in doing so? This would be a huge issue if not because I can't be having my phone go off in class all the time. I rarely take my phone off vibrate, so I want to make sure I can leave silent/vibrate on and still play Zune without turning the ringer back on.
Does vibrate mean that alarms only vibrate and dont sound? ie. do I need to take my phone off silent ringer/vibrate all night if I want to hear an alarm in the morning?
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I like how well Microsoft has seemingly written WP and I think eventually it will be great after Win8 and WP8. Maybe I just need to hold off for those phones and not waste money getting an off contract phone. If Win8+WP8+XBOX+Live services doesnt bring very tight integration and some nice new features, I think I'll lose all the faith Ive put into Microsoft the past 15 years.
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Hi Mike,
Like you I mapped Skydrive as a network drive and simply drag/drop my pdf files there. PDFs are natively supported on wp7 once you download the official adobe pdf app.
The PDFs will show up on skydrive in the Office Hub. Infact if you use the Documents folder as the "root" of all your files and simple create folders within there, they will all show up in the office hub's skydrive folder. As you see I have a "PDF" folder with all my pdfs. You download them when you select it and it is saved to adobe's app storage locally on the phone.
Skydrive on the phone will also stream audio and video files! Sometimes my friends would share a video or some music with me and I'd be able to access it natively!
You can view any pdf or office document (provided it is in later version format i thnk office 2007 up) hosted on websites. It will download and open in adobe/office.
Also OneNote is absoulely terrific in the Office hub for syncing notes to the PC/web and phone. I use it extensively to manage my classes!
Hope this helped.
Mike415 said:
What I am still unclear on is viewing PDFs that are hosted on websites because its a situation that I run into frequently enough that I need it to be able to view PDFs from sites or Skydrive (Either one). Can I navigate with IE to a site with a link to a hosted PDF and view it or not?
Can I leave my phone on vibrate (no ring) and still play headphones without turning the ring back on in doing so? This would be a huge issue if not because I can't be having my phone go off in class all the time. I rarely take my phone off vibrate, so I want to make sure I can leave silent/vibrate on and still play Zune without turning the ringer back on.
Does vibrate mean that alarms only vibrate and dont sound? ie. do I need to take my phone off silent ringer/vibrate all night if I want to hear an alarm in the morning?
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PDF's are just working fine. Just install Adobe's PDF app and IE will automatically hook them and forward them to the app. Same on SkyDrive, you can even zip those PDF's as WP is able to look into zips.
As for the sound it should work the way you described. Volume control is for everything on the device but the button for vibration is only for the ringer. So if you mute your device via volume rocker then everything will be muted. If you only press the vibrate button then only the ringer will be silenced.
Awesome, guys. Great replies. The volume issues and PDF issues seem like they would be fine for situations like mine. Loved the screenshots!
Really I dont see too many issues not to switch over eventually, as the replies here have quelled my main doubts. As more apps come and current apps are optimized theres very little reason to not switch for most people. Its just that damn app list!
Good thing there's homebrew folders now though!
Mike415 said:
Awesome, guys. Great replies. The volume issues and PDF issues seem like they would be fine for situations like mine. Loved the screenshots!
Really I dont see too many issues not to switch over eventually, as the replies here have quelled my main doubts. As more apps come and current apps are optimized theres very little reason to not switch for most people. Its just that damn app list!
Good thing there's homebrew folders now though!
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thankfully the games go into your xbox live folder though...
also you can tap a letter to quickly bring up all letters where you can quickscroll from letter to letter to find apps you have.
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thankfully the games go into your xbox live folder though...
also you can tap a letter to quickly bring up all letters where you can quickscroll from letter to letter to find apps you have.
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and search too. I actually prefer the app list to iOS pages of icons. The applist I know exactly where to find it alphabectically using the jumplist. Need twitter? Tap a letter jump to T and its in that group. iOS its a "which page is it?' scenario.
The homebrew folders is also pretty nice. I use it for all my "News" apps and "Social" app but it doesnt have live tiles so it defeats the wp7 purpose of glance and go
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thankfully the games go into your xbox live folder though...
also you can tap a letter to quickly bring up all letters where you can quickscroll from letter to letter to find apps you have.
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and search too. I actually prefer the app list to iOS pages of icons. The applist I know exactly where to find it alphabectically using the jumplist. Need twitter? Tap a letter jump to T and its in that group. iOS its a "which page is it?' scenario.
The homebrew folders is also pretty nice. I use it for all my "News" apps and "Social" app but it doesnt have live tiles so it defeats the wp7 purpose of glance and go
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I was just planning on throwing all my leisure games (non-XBOX LIVE) in folders. Does the XBOX Live hub hold non-Live games too? I wouldn't really need folders if all my games were in the XBOX hub, but I was thinking that it was only for Live games.
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I was just planning on throwing all my leisure games (non-XBOX LIVE) in folders. Does the XBOX Live hub hold non-Live games too? I wouldn't really need folders if all my games were in the XBOX hub, but I was thinking that it was only for Live games.
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the live hub holds all games!
It's a good thing too, I have a ton of games
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the live hub holds all games!
It's a good thing too, I have a ton of games
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The only drawback of the xbox live hub is that is missing the jump list. I'd really love to see it in there too.
On topic:
I'd really recommend you go into a mobile shop and try different devices. I for one came from Window Mobile 6.1 over 6.5 and Android (2.1 and 2.2) all the way to Windows Phone. First I was missing several things I know from my former mobile OSes. But once I got used to the limitations (which were a lot more before NoDo and Mango), I've never ever looked back. I'm a proud WP7 user. But it really depends on what you use your device for.
I'm swapping from Android to Windows Phone, and was hoping if anyone is bored enough to read this they might suggest some Windows Phone Apps that might suit my needs.
In no way do I expect anyone that hops in to respond to each type, or google around for me, but I expect I'm not the first person to make the Android -> Windows phone swap, so maybe some of you will have a quick idea of ones to try out. You don't need to spend a lot of time explaining every app, if you're busy. Every platform is different though, so rather than spend 10 hours looking for something that everyone in the community already knows, I thought I would just toss out some quick questions.
1. RSS feeds. On Android I use gReader Pro. It's a pretty basic app that allows easy setup for RSS feeds and syncs them with your google reader account. Not very exciting, but it's easy to use because my feeds are already set up via google, so a decent app that can do the same would be nice.
2. Google Voice. I'd like to make and receive texts, as well as make calls on wifi (receiving calls isn't a big deal, but would be a plus). I downloaded GoVoice, which seems like it will be pretty decent, but am open to suggsetions.
3. Podcasts. I used Doggcatcher on Android, which allows you to stream, download + save, and sync podcasts. It has a decent search function to help you get started.
4. Tasker. This one is more difficult to explain, but essentially it allows you to program a set of tasks, like a macro function. Essentially I have it set up for "Off" (as in data/wifi/bluetooth/gps/gsm disabled), "Data" (same as off but wifi enabled), "Loud" (same as data but with notifications and media volumes all the way up), and "Car" (same as Loud but wifi off and speakerphone and GPS enabled). Basically I use this to change the state of the GPS, WIFI, and volumes, so that I can quickly switch a number of settings at once. Great app, if you have some patience and have an Android kicking around.
5. Astrid Tasks. A pretty basic reminder app. I'm sure there are plenty of these for Windows Phone, but any suggestion would great. If it can store backups to the computer, or sync with a cloud based system, that would be a plus.
6*. Something to show running applications quickly. I'm not sure if this is actually an issue for Windows Phone, but sometimes apps go "rogue" on Android, so being able to make sure that a particular app isn't a battery drain would be nice. I was using System Panel on Android. If this isn't needed, disregard the question.
7. A good alarm app. I was using Gentle Alarm on Android, which has a widget to show you the next alarm that will go off, and allows easy creation of various alarms, which can be set for audible, vibration, specific days of the week to repeat on, etc. You can also ensure that alarms will always be audible, regardless of if everything else is muted, which is nice for at night when you don't need an email waking you up, but need to make sure the alarm is at maximum volume in the morning.
8. Anything else you can think of that is a must have for daily use. I'm a student and don't really have a lot of time to play with the phone for games, but hey, we all have to pass the time every once in a while.
9. Onenote. I like how this app syncs easily, but I can't view my handwritten notes that I write on my tablet. Is there a workaround that allows you to see these?
------ I'm only using this Lumia 710 on WIFI, essentially as a PDA + GPS, so anything handy that can prevent battery drain is a plus, as I don't require GPS to constantly be on, and I certainly don't need phone/data(non-wifi) to constantly be on.
In short, I appreciate any input you might have, even if it's only for one of the things I have listed. The phone seems great in general, and had most of the important things already installed (the email, calendar, navigation, office, etc., is fantastic as is, which is a great bonus compared to Android, where I had to use 3rd party apps for most of the core aspects).
Regards,
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Skype
Music and Video with Zune
Not possible
Ask Ziggy
not needed
Default alarm
Board Express Pro
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Nokia Drive
Crackle
Nokia Creative Studio
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Thanks for all of the suggestions. That should keep me busy for quite awhile. :good:
Try also fantasia painter for photo editor. Is awesome and free. The only app i am missing since switching from wp7 to android
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Before I get into my list, I'm just going to run down how apps and multi tasking work on WP7 in case you don't already know.
#1: No app can truly run in the background. The only way to get an app to continue running is either to have it up and prevent the screen from turning off, or (if supported by the app) allow it to run under the lockscreen, which means when you press the power button, only the screen turns off, the phone does not enter a sleep state.
-----------------The exception to this rule is when an app is playing music. If the app dev has done it correctly, he should have handed the music playing off to the system, so once you set up the music source in app, you should be able to minimize it and use the next/previous/play/pause controls. In fact you can even go to grooveshark's beta html5 in internet explorer; HTML5 can plug in to this system media playback! I was very excited to learn that. But at least on grooveshark, next/previous controls don't work.
#2: HOWEVER each app can have a "daemon" which is essentially a set of tasks that are run periodically by the system (minimum of every half hour). So if you use google latitude, latitude apps will only be able to update your position every half hour (or at longer intervals, but no shorter). This system of background daemons is actually very very good as it encourages unique thinking from the developer side, and still gives the user the benefits of true multi tasking without the battery drainage. What a daemon can do isn't that limited, but it's the fact that no internet connection can remain active in the background that poses a lot of problems (for example, IRC clients cannot have multi tasking for this reason). Since things can only run every half hour, you don't have to worry about things like turning off your gps, since nothing is allowed to just turn on the GPS and keep it on.
#3 : Also there's still push, of course. Lemme break that down for you: push notifications can either be through the live tile (rather than having a background daemon update the tile, things are pushed to it immediately as they arrive), or push can be used through statusbar notifications. One unfortunate oversight in this system is that if you have an app that you do not pin to the start menu, and if it has a notification and you did not hear it... there is no list of missed notifications. This doesn't come into play that often; for me it only happens with eBay, where I don't want to bother having that on my start screen but I might miss some alerts.
#4: Battery Saver mode is YOUR FRIEND. You can get nearly another day out of your phone (or I can with my Titan) when battery saver kicks in. You can enable it so that it turns on when the battery is low (%20), or manually. However, it disables all background daemons and push notification in order to save battery.
#5: Multi tasking and switching between apps. Hold down the back button to see the list of the last several apps you used (or in the case of my unlocked ROM, all of the apps you have used since boot). When you minimize an app (press the start button), it gets "dehydrated" which means it's just suspended to RAM. It works like you'd expect; start typing something in one app, switch over to another to look something up and switch back to the first to resume typing. To remove an app from the list, or "exit" the app (since it isn't actually running the only thing this does is remove clutter or perhaps free up some slots), you "back" out of them. Press the back button until the app goes away.
One of the reasons, in my opinion, that windows 8 is getting a lot of negative flack is because people don't know that live tiles are good. It doesn't help that, last time I checked, there were no useful live tile apps in the 8 marketplace yet. So frustrating! People hate what they don't understand, because hating on the internet is the standard state of existence. I encourage you to think about what you do on the internet every time you sit down on your computer, and see if you can find an app with live tile to do it for you. For me, I had a routine of checking my email(s), going through a lot of webcomics, reading news feeds, etc. That was my daily routine. Now with WP7, I have each aspect of my routine as a live tile, so I can literally replace that entire process with just looking at the start screen.
The other thing about live tiles and metro that people fail to understand is that active push notifications, where unnecessary are BAD, for a few different reasons. Push notifications are "active" and live tiles are "passive". This is because live tiles do not make any noise or otherwise prompt you to look at them; they are simply there and deliver content when you pull out your phone. Let me put this in perspective: say I pull out my phone to look up something on wikipedia. I can see that I have 2 new emails, some new RSS articles and a facebook notification. Number 1: I don't feel the urge to go and clear the unread count of all of these things, as I would if they were all aggregated in the statusbar like on android (because you need that statusbar for things, and if it's cluttered and you don't keep up on it, it quickly fills up and becomes overwhelming). I can leave them alone for now and go to wikipedia. Now if this were an android/IOS device, I would have gotten an audible notification for each of those three things, and I would have taken time out of whatever I was doing IN LIFE to tend to my phone.
Some points about stressors here (and when I say stressors, I don't mean overwhelming stress you can feel, but stress in the clinical sense, which is objective): having your phone beep at you constantly stresses you; for most people it's difficult to put their phone out of their mind until they have seen what the notification was. This is not good.
Moreover, feeling the need to go and clear unread counts/managing your statusbar is also somewhat of a stressor; if it starts overflowing you'll either learn to not use things that create notifications (somewhat limiting your experience with a smartphone), give up all hope and never look at the statusbar again, or just clear it out and miss out on things you wouldn't have if the information was presented in an orderly fashion.
Live tiles, being passive, are also more efficient in terms of time spent on the phone and your phone's battery life. Notice how in my example, I observed the new content only when I was already pulling out my phone to do something else. With things aggregating in bulk, I can view them in bulk at points of the day where I was already on my phone. This is opposed to pulling out my phone every 15 minutes because something new happened... which wastes time pulling your phone out of your pocket many times a day, wastes battery when turning the screen on/off many times a day, and if you use wifi; wastes even more battery when the wifi radio is turned on/off sporadically many times a day.
So yes, live tiles are an objectively less stressful approach to mobile devices and less distracting from tasks at hand. The same concepts can be applied to windows 8; rather than having popup notifications for all your facebook, email, rss, etc bombard you while you're trying to write a paper... all of that information is silently aggregated for you in the background.
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For alarms,
627.AM
Built in Alarm app.
For task / project management
Tasks by telerik
Or just use the built in calendar app
Or use Onenote and Pin your task list to the start screen.
For RSS
Wonder Reader hands down, none of the other google reader clients are quite as fully functional and polished.
Fuse is pretty but I never got the hang of using it.
For Wifi Video calls
Tango. It's pretty limited in that the android and IOS client are updated with better features, and you can only call other people with tango... but the service itself is more efficient and more reliable than the skype app was last time I tried it. Moreover it supports push for accepting calls, something skype doesn't. Also I like the concept of not having "online / offline" states. You call someone, and they choose to answer it or not. Why would I need to log into a phone...
I used to take notes on a tablet at school, and ran into the same problem as you. Only solution I know of is to print your notes back into onenote. You'll have duplicates of everything unfortunately.
Podcast functionality is built in.
For random recommendations...
das Image (Better image search)
Image Map (Renders all of your pictures on a map based on GPS loc info)
Dynamic Background (Unlock) (Updates the lockscreen picture every half hour choosing randomly from a pool of selected images)
Battery Status (Unlock) (Live tile for current battery percent, also tracks battery usage and graphs it for you)
EnClock (there is no stopwatch built in to WP7, and you never know when you need one)
eBay
HandyScan (Helps you take good pictures of papers, backs up to skydrive. Better to keep documents in here than with regular pictures).
Keep Alive (by jaxbot, it prevents wifi from turning off)
Nokia Drive (Unlock unless you get a nokia device)
MetroPaper (Read it later / pocket)
Metrotube + Supertube (youtube apps. 1 is awesome, 2 lets you download videos and even create offline "music" playlists)
Photo2cloud (back up full res photos to skydrive independent of PC)
Supreme Shortcuts (Unlock) (Lets you pin any setting page to the start screen)
WeatherLive (There are plenty of other weather apps... but weatherlive works, it's incredibly thorough, updates live tile using GPS location, is pretty, etc)
Zite (Gives you news articles based on google reader feeds and who you follow in twitter, good for every time I go to the toilet )
If you use IRC or SSH
The SSH Client Pro
TinyIRC
And now that you are a part of the WP community, you should invest in AND pin the live tiles of each to your start screen:
WPCentral
WMPoweruser
Games! I Don't like to play serious games on my phone; I like something I can whip out at any time and turn off at any time, no consequence. That said, I make an exception for the Final Fantasy updated / rerelease for WP7
COLLAPSE (Probably my favorite mobile game. It's an easy puzzle game, but satisfying to plow through at ludicrous speed. There are some very hard rounds with special conditions though.. story mode is dumb but it has unique challenges and you need to play through it to unlock all the quick play modes).
Final Fantasy
Wordament
Fruit Ninja
Dodonpachi Maximum (Genre: Bullet Hell. If you don't know what that means then try it before you buy it. If you love bullet hell; buy this. It's by CAVE).
Wizard's Choice (A casual text adventure).
link68759 said:
Lots of good info
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Thank you for the detailed response!
I've started using Onenote as a to-do list, but I made a recent post as to why that's causing me problems (or so it seems).
I seem to be syncing everything from onenote, and my device has basically filled up overnight as it downloaded my files. Microsoft told me to contact Nokia about it, and then disconnected?
It seemed like a good plan to me as well. I don't really need to see detailed graphs and notes on the phone, just a couple simple folders.
I may just reset the phone and give the other apps you suggested a shot, and not connect with my microsoft live ID at all. I went from plenty of space on the device to none, in a matter of days.
I'm not sure if podcasts were an issue as well, and how it saves and deletes them. I only stored what I would consider a small amount, maybe 200 megs or less.
Nokia drive works great. It takes up a lot of space, but I have it on my feature phone as well, and the GPS acquisition time on the Lumia 710 blows away my E5-00, and my Droid X. It's just incredibly fast at locking in.
I'll do a reset tomorrow and give the other apps a shot, and try to avoid anything that could be crushing my storage. All I really need for storage is email, nokia drive, and basic apps/news/podcasts, which on my android (nav aside) shouldn't really take more than 1 gig of space. A few small games to pass the time, and some apps for productivity, and I should be back in business.
Unfortunately I can't seem to find a way to determine what is using X amount of space, so I'll have to do a full wipe and install items slowly, to sort it out.
There isn't a proper app to view this kind of thing, is there?
Regards,
--bb
I'll reply to your other thread about one note.
You can't not connect with your live ID if you plan to download apps unfortunately.
For viewing used space, Zune does divide it up for you, I don't remember how specific it gets but it should be divided into space used by music, videos, podcasts, apps. I don't think it's possible for an app to view usage, because each app is sandboxed; that is they have their own folder on the device and they are not allowed to leave it.
Nokia Drive shouldn't need to take up a lot of space; you can just download the maps of where you live and where you might possibly go spontaneously, as opposed to your whole country XD. Yeah I've had good luck with my phones and GPS, WP7 in general does an excellent job with GPS.
Oh I forgot to mention in my first post; WPCentral and WMPoweruser are good because they do a lot of app/game reviews, usually the reviews are on new apps in the market. This is pretty much the only way I discover new apps
link68759 said:
I'll reply to your other thread about one note.
You can't not connect with your live ID if you plan to download apps unfortunately.
For viewing used space, Zune does divide it up for you, I don't remember how specific it gets but it should be divided into space used by music, videos, podcasts, apps. I don't think it's possible for an app to view usage, because each app is sandboxed; that is they have their own folder on the device and they are not allowed to leave it.
Nokia Drive shouldn't need to take up a lot of space; you can just download the maps of where you live and where you might possibly go spontaneously, as opposed to your whole country XD. Yeah I've had good luck with my phones and GPS, WP7 in general does an excellent job with GPS.
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Gotcha!
I will look into setting up a new windows live account for OneNote to-do type lists. I know Office sometimes used to have issues with multiple live accounts on the same computer, in Windows 7, but I think that's mostly fixed now. I use google calendar anyways (to sync), so realistically it's not the end of the world for me to keep the accounts disconnected from my school Onenote live account.
I guess I synced all of Nokia North America at once (1.9 or so gigs of a download). I certainly don't need more than 20% of it. In fact, my whole state, now that I look at it, is only 36 megs.
Now that you've given some ideas of how to approach it, I'm liking this more than any of my other previous phones (iPhone, BB Bold, Droid X, etc). It needs some time to grow as an operating system, and Nokia really needs to put an LED notification light on future models [shakes tiny fist], but I think they're back in the game!
Thank you very much for all of your help.
//Edit: I read your other post responding to mine. I think you're right. I could probably do a wipe, use the same account, but move the basic to-do lists to a separate folder, pin them, and make sure to never ever open the school folder itself in Office on the phone. That sounds like it would work ok as well, as I must have opened a school folder that overwhelmed it and just started syncing massive amounts of pdf's, inking, and so on, along with the simple things.
I just wanted to also mention that all that you typed out would make for a great sticky. That's a ton of great info.
Thank you again for all of the feedback.
You made some excellent points about how smartphones add lots of unnecessary stresses when they're constantly distracting us with notifications, as well as how live tiles really help ease you into information you need, and information you might not, but are willing to take a brief glance at. I'm a big Windows 8 fan, and have used RP, RTM Pro (currently), and RTM enterprise. I think Live Tiles are fantastic, whether it's on my phone, my convertible laptop, or my desktop. I think you're absolutely correct about how people just don't quite understand how handy it will be yet.
//BTW: I bookmarked your post as a sort of "zen" explanation I can refer back to, or link to a friend, so they understand the unity and purposes in the next stage in Windows products.
///Afterthought: I still would like a notification LED on the phone, as long as it's customizable. On Android and Blackberry I would always disable the light for all of the nonsense things, but keep it enabled for things like a missed call (because that could be my son needing a ride, or something else that's important), or for a severe weather alert. Random emails would just have to wait until I turned on the screen.
Sorry to bump my own thread again, but I have a question about three of the apps that link68759 mentioned.
"Supreme Shortcuts (Unlock) (Lets you pin any setting page to the start screen)"
"Battery Status (Unlock) (Live tile for current battery percent, also tracks battery usage and graphs it for you)"
"Keep Alive (by jaxbot, it prevents wifi from turning off)"
By "unlock" I'm assuming he meant an unlocked bootloader, and not locked to a cellular carrier? I did the basic test today, and mine appears to be locked, which is a shame because both of those functions would be great.
As far as "Keep Alive" goes, I can't seem to find that specific app/dev combo in the market. I don't use 3g/4g data on this phone, or any phone anymore, so is that an app that is better than keeping the scanning on, or is it a battery drain? I'm just not sure I follow the concept, because I can't find a description of it.
Regards,
--bb
bladebarrier said:
Sorry to bump my own thread again, but I have a question about three of the apps that link68759 mentioned.
"Supreme Shortcuts (Unlock) (Lets you pin any setting page to the start screen)"
"Battery Status (Unlock) (Live tile for current battery percent, also tracks battery usage and graphs it for you)"
"Keep Alive (by jaxbot, it prevents wifi from turning off)"
By "unlock" I'm assuming he meant an unlocked bootloader, and not locked to a cellular carrier? I did the basic test today, and mine appears to be locked, which is a shame because both of those functions would be great.
As far as "Keep Alive" goes, I can't seem to find that specific app/dev combo in the market. I don't use 3g/4g data on this phone, or any phone anymore, so is that an app that is better than keeping the scanning on, or is it a battery drain? I'm just not sure I follow the concept, because I can't find a description of it.
Regards,
--bb
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You'll need to flash a custom ROM, which you can luckily do on your 710.
The a wifi radio turning on/off takes more power than one that is idly connected. So if you use the phone frequently, it's better to stay connected. If you aren't going to touch it for many hours at a time, better to let it disconnect and turn off.
But if you aren't using cellular then you'll need wifi to update information in the background.
Some more here
Dialpad7
Handyscan
Photogram
Skype
Sleep Bug
Tango
UC Browser
whatspp= messenger
Yelp = to find nearby things