This will be the start of a hopefully short lived thread as I only intend to use it to post my findings about the affects of a lagfix. Alright if you are going to come in here to start a flame war about how you know it works or doesn't work just "because" do not even post just leave now! if you have actual measurable data or intelligent input then please contribute.
So a lot of folks state that the advantage lagfix has for them is general responsiveness of applications like touchdown or the market or even jsut opening speedtest.net app. I already no that the direct read/write speed to the FS where the OS resides shows the Captivate much faster than the Nexus one and there is no general feeling that the N1 needs any lagfix. So we can not measure any advantage of a lagfix just by testing the read/write speed of the FS. what then? if it's application responsiveness that is the difference then we have to create environment in the form of a measurable benchmark. So right now I have a ver VERY comprehensive I/O bench script running. it creates an application level benchmark environment where several to many processes are each running various mixed mode I/O streams (read/write/cache) doing this with the exact same standards on a non-lagfix FS and a lagfix FS will show even the smallest most tiny variations in the different types of I/O. it will let us know if perhaps there is a certain type of stream (buffer size, block size, file size) that a lagfix might be improving upon. once the results finish here in about half an hour I will sift through the results, build a graph then post it! I am in no way on one side or the other of a lagfix, I have used both and would rather keep my opinion to my self right now. check back later today for results. I welcome all constructive input/ideas/do it better benchmark (currently 1429 Hawaii standard time)
This is also a question that came in to my head before installing a lag fix.
Well i notice some lags in a stock non-lag fixed captivate. Examples are in games like asphalt (when you win/lose a race) and in N.O.V.A. (progress save) and sometimes in google search widget (when you tap on the text bar, a little sec before the virtual keyboard appear).
I thought that these are just bugs on software or the app itself, but everything is gone when i install lag fix. Yes there are still lags but not as much as before.
This is awesome, can't wait to read it. Are you considering releasing the batch script so others can attempt to contribute?
Already got moved but it doesn't matter. I for one can not wait to see your results cruiser. If you do decide you want to let someone else try your benchmark I'll gladly run it as well.
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This is awesome, can't wait to read it. Are you considering releasing the batch script so others can attempt to contribute?
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Absolutely! I take no credit for these tools and credit will be given where due once the graph is up. I only wrote a script to create the benching environment I wanted. using these tools you can write a very comprehensive script to create the benching environment you want/need for the specific aspect that is being benched. these tools don't just test hardware as hardware is nothing without great software. so using the application level software components to perform these benches and bouncing them off the hardware benches you can see what areas of the software environment are choking what part of the systems performance and vice the versa.
There are a few different lagfixes out there - so don't leave any out. Also, some attack one partition, others attack more then one (/dbdata) - so you need to take this into account. Also Touchdown, and i believe stock email app, benefit because they store data on dbdata in a database - so database throughput should be part of the equation.
Benchmarks are nice, but i have tried with and without and see the difference deleting emails using the stock client. That being said, I rolled back to stock because one-click odin does a poor job of reformatting everything - I don't want to get stuck with an EXT4 filesystem and stock kernel with no way to go.
I found with 2.2 it is way faster than 2.1. But 2.1 with any lag fix is still faster. Now you could run 2.2 with no lag fix and it's definetly fast enough but with a lag fix it's amazing. It's like buying a 300hp sports car then the sales guy asks you if you want the 400hp model for a free upgrade and it gets the same gas milage and you saying no because 300hp is plenty to get you around town. If theres even a chance a lag fix makes a difference why not do it, it's not gonna make it any slower thats for sure.
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Just my 2 cents, I do think that lag fix will give you better performance with certain apps however, it is not that significant and with Froyo, I had problems with apps force closing and battery drain (probably from all the background crashes) with it enabled. I do not think it is needed and may cause more problems than it is worth. Maybe later once the official Froyo is out for a while and the lag fix apps are improved, it may be worth another look. But for now, I do not think it is worth it. But your mileage may vary and if you think your phone is too slow without it, you may have some other underlying issue that needs more attention than trying to fix it with a lag fix.
Duty calls, this is taking longer than I anticipated so I'll still be running this on different file systems tomorrow after work. very interesting results so far though! Spoiler alert! there are obvious gains from database read/writes, only milliseconds but I suppose that counts when it comes to responsiveness of certain programs.
I can't wait to see the results.
I wanted to say that I am interested in what you are trying to do here and appreciate the time you are putting into making this an unbiased effort at answering this question.
I also wanted to provide you with my own real world experience based on three different captivates all presently using cognition 2.2b5.5...until later tonight...lol
I have never installed a lag fix on two of the phones (my wife and duaghter's) and held off on reinstalling the ext lagfix on mine again until yesterday as I wanted to see if it would benefit the performance prior to updating again to beta6
On the phones that my wife and daughter use, I can see where the lagfix is not necessary and they don't complain about any hangups. However, on mine I definitely see a performance improvement with the lagfix installed and i am quite sure that the reason is I am addicted to widgets almost as bad as flashing and I cannot seem to get away from them. After installing the lagfix I do not get the occasional "freezes" that occurred without it and music never skips when opening other apps.
Also, all three phones are running launcher pro, using at least a few widgets, such as friends, messaging, weather, etc. Not sure how you would reflect this in your testing but I do see a difference here though I would love, and certainly tried, to not use the lagfix.
It seems people have gotten bored of this issue. I will say this:
When I ODINed directly from 2.2Beta2 to 2.2Beta5.5, lag was undeniably horrible and OCLF made a huge difference.
When I master-cleared 5.5, ODINed to stock 2.1, then ODINed to 2.2Beta6, everything became zippy fast again without any lagfix. I'm afraid to even try to put OCLF on there now.
Anyone experiencing lag when others say they shouldnt: go through most or all of the steps I laid out for battery drain. Quirks abound, and your lag and lagfix situation could be an indirect side-effect, and not a direct result, of the ROM you've flashed to.
I agree. Some of the claims are down right odd about lag issues so I too feel a lot has to do with "left overs".
My Experiences
i didn't install the lag fix because of the horror stories in the forums about applying an update and having to roll everything back. Normally it's not so bad but I've noticed some of the behavior mentioned. Are these issues addressed in the Froyo leaks (hopefully official) or will these always be a problem.
-Load time of games (using Asphalt 5 and comparing the load times to an IP4 running the same game). The Captivate load times were very slow.
-The appearance of freezing when you win / lose a race in Asphalt 5?
It may not be a fair comparison for load times but it's obvious signs something is wrong when I'm trying to brag to my friends about how my phone is better then theres
The biggest issue I have is with the music stuttering though. I listen to music at work (normally the 13GB data partition is full of music) and the email client is running in the background. The music stutters A LOT when it's downloading the emails. Is this issue no longer a problem in Froyo?
Hopefully this settles it.
Here's a vid I made. I don't know how to split-screen, but I think this makes the point regardless.
I master cleared, then stock 2.1, then Cog 2.2B6. I didn't restore any backups, all fresh installs and configs.
When I ODINed directly from Beta3 to Beta6, the lag was horrible. Doing a master clear, stock, to 6 was much better. But even then, as seen below, there is blatantly noticeable lag. That only leads me to believe that the issue relates to something like fragmentation, and that if people used beta6 for a few weeks without a lagfix, they'll end up with really bad lag too.
For the record, I doubt any of this has much to do with DG's work. I don't think DG is responsible for lag. DG is only responsible for giving us awesome alternatives to choose from when we don't like what the factory gave us and we're willing to take the risk. However, the lag is not a placebo, and your benchmarks are deceiving you.
I picked Touchdown because it was an easily reproduced example, but I notice a difference all over.
The stopwatch is to add legitimacy. The iPhone, to add irony. There's a glass of beer off-camera you can't see, but it's responsible for most of the background noise.
Alright folks!
Those of us in the Military know how your work schedule can tends to change randomly causing you to change your plans a lot. Anyway as I don't see myself with the free time to spend making a cool but not very practical PowerPoint right now I am going to tell ya'll what I found and post the DHT tools so you can play around with it yourselves.
First to those who wish to try the tools, read the vague overview file in there it's as good as it gets as far as information from DHT. you HAVE to run the IO bench several time in both read, write ADN mixed modes. Make sure you run each mode a few times specifying different files sizes block sizes AND numbers of IO streams! each specific setup should be run 5 times and averaged, if run in each set is 5% or more from the rest it should be scrapped and run again. NOTE: some modes require you to have already deployed a file or DB to run the test on!
Alright so I found the difference in every area except one to be non-substantial! and by that I mean 5%+/- (within the considered error margin)
I ONLY HAVE HAD THE TIME TO TEST OCLF! all benches were run on Cognition 2.2B5.5.
When you start getting more than TWO IO streams you start to see a substantial difference in the DB IO streams. in my last run in mixed mode multi-stream bench of 5 runs (all within the acceptable margin) it showed a 19% increase in throughput over the stock FS! I know that doesn't sound like a lot but milliseconds count when it means the responsiveness of an application! One thing I did not do which I wont get to for a while is look into how many IO streams are running and in what modes while running some common applications! this could give us an idea of what kind of bench environment to set up and perhaps give us a base (just for information sake) % throughput increase with a certain FS. just to give you an idea (I am sure most people already know this but wth) of what types of application might take advantage of an increased IO throughput on DB read/writes. A lot more applications do DB IO streams than you might think, some email applications/exchange contact syncs, even some system settings are stored in DB anyways I say it's up to the person! I wont personally use a FS patch "lagfix" until A at least as stable as the current COG2.2B6 Voodoo kernel is done for the captivate. I don't feel like messing with the loopback stuff and whatnot, I can live with it like it is as I don't feel it's bad enough to HAVE to have one, but again everyone is different! However when Voodoo comes standard in a good ROM like COG I say what the hell~! even if it's only 10% gain and only in certain situations! if it's stable and cooked in then it can't hurt me right! ok enough now hope you guys can figure out the tools well enough. it is clear that no matter what anyone says it is factual that no matter how small in SOME situations/applications there IS an IO throughput gain when using OCLF and I am sure any other EXTx FS. weather or not the gain % is worth the possible side effects, well like everyone keeps saying (well almost everyone, some do just cry "MUST HAVE IT") that's up to you!
Ok great video mate.
I also noticed one HUGE lag difference which now made me a believer.
I use Launcher Pro and when adding applications to the lower scrolling bar there was always lag the first time accessing the applications.
I timed it at 17 seconds without lag fix and no delay with lag fix...that is BIG!
That was one of my bigger lag issues too...lp seeming to freeze but after finally giving up on touchwiz a while ago and removing it I have been able to get by without the lagfix though I am probably going to use one again as soon as voodoo is available for 2.2
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shaolin95 said:
Ok great video mate.
I also noticed one HUGE lag difference which now made me a believer.
I use Launcher Pro and when adding applications to the lower scrolling bar there was always lag the first time accessing the applications.
I timed it at 17 seconds without lag fix and no delay with lag fix...that is BIG!
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I originally intended to include a few other tests in the video:
* Adding an app shortcut
* Opening the app drawer
* fast scrolling through the 3D app drawer and some widget-heavy home screens
* boot times (particularly initializing widgets on the home screen)
However, in prepping for the video (and most particularly after removing TW), I determined that I could not reproduce the lag effect as consistently in any of the above. I've definitely seen what you describe, and noticed lag differences OCLF vs. not OCLF in all of the above, but I've also ran some tests where I couldn't reproduce it. Touchdown was one of the easiest to demo and that never fails to present an obvious difference.
My current theory is that while Froyo has performance tweaks, a lot of the reason people think there is no need for lagfix anymore is because more people were master-clearing and flashing stock before flashing Cog betas. This gives you a clean slate on your fs, with little chance of fragmentation or other inefficiencies that crop up in a well-used file table. Like I said, flashing without going stock or master-clearing, or restoring lots of backups afterwards, seem to be what bring back the lag. A well-managed cache like you get with a lagfix helps that a lot. I still say that even those who claim to see no lag, if they put some heavy use and load some heavy databases and throw some I/Os at them, then over time they will see more and more of the same lag others see. I don't know that for sure, but I do know for sure what you can see in the video. And that's on a recent setup of master-clear, stock, beta, and no backup restores whatseover.
This probably in the wrong section, but I recently purchased the captivate through an upgrade, and read about and installed the lagfix. Yes it did speed up my phone considerably. My quadrant score was about 2386. I was pretty damn impressed. But then I wanted to go back to stock, and just did a factory reset. I don't think the lagfix is installed anymore. But I just want to know if I didn't hurt my device by doing so. Thanks
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This is quick comparative review.
Cognition 4- very smooth, eats battery like crazy with minimum services and apps/no Wi-Fi/GSM only. No Brightness fix. DG seems to be busy with his new toy Atrix, so updates to this ROM won't be fast. I didn't have Cognition 4 long enough to analyze what is eating the battery, but just getting it on without reboot and collecting stats will be enough to resolve it.
Torch 1.5 - some jerkiness in launcher (tried different ones as well) and other apps, amazing battery life (had 100% on standby for 3 hours, with minimum services and apps/no Wi-Fi/GSM only). Brightness fix is a huge plus. I didn't like that so many apps got removed, miss QuickOffice and Memo - copied them over from Cognition 4. Overall for apps - I can remove them using SGS Tools, so ROM should come with the most complete set of apps . (except AT&T and Samsung branded). Alternatively, ROM developers can put apps under /data, not under /system, this will make them removable from Manage Apps (won't work for all apps, unfortunately).
As far as bloatware in Torch - I could care less for 6 lock screens, they eat memory as far as I'm concerned. Also there is still Wallpaper chooser with amazingly huge pictures. Got removed first
Overall for KB1.
TiBu restore of system setting from JS32.2.1 or JS52.2.1 other than WiFi highly discouraged. I had uncurable Force Close for Browser and for MMS. Say g-bye to your messaging history, or find other ways of transferring it.
As far as Voodoo Sound - highly desirable feature, absent in both ROMs, I tried to play with #197328640# secret code and Audio settings there - but they don't stick after reboot. It shouldn't be hard to find where are those stored, mount system r/w and rewrite.
I think I found the way to quickly flash ROMs without the hassle of reinstalling all my ~70 apps. Just get *.apk using adb from your current ROM. Then put them in the zip for new ROM under /data/apps. TiBu will restore settings for you.
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This is quick comparative review.
Cognition 4- very smooth, eats battery like crazy with minimum services and apps/no Wi-Fi/GSM only. No Brightness fix. DG seems to be busy with his new toy Atrix, so updates to this ROM won't be fast. I didn't have Cognition 4 long enough to analyze what is eating the battery, but just getting it on without reboot and collecting stats will be enough to resolve it.
Torch 1.5 - some jerkiness in launcher (tried different ones as well) and other apps, amazing battery life (had 100% on standby for 3 hours, with minimum services and apps/no Wi-Fi/GSM only). Brightness fix is a huge plus. I didn't like that so many apps got removed, miss QuickOffice and Memo - copied them over from Cognition 4. Overall for apps - I can remove them using SGS Tools, so ROM should come with the most complete set of apps . (except AT&T and Samsung branded). Alternatively, ROM developers can put apps under /data, not under /system, this will make them removable from Manage Apps (won't work for all apps, unfortunately).
As far as bloatware in Torch - I could care less for 6 lock screens, they eat memory as far as I'm concerned. Also there is still Wallpaper chooser with amazingly huge pictures. Got removed first
Overall for KB1.
TiBu restore of system setting from JS32.2.1 or JS52.2.1 other than WiFi highly discouraged. I had uncurable Force Close for Browser and for MMS. Say g-bye to your messaging history, or find other ways of transferring it.
As far as Voodoo Sound - highly desirable feature, absent in both ROMs, I tried to play with #197328640# secret code and Audio settings there - but they don't stick after reboot. It shouldn't be hard to find where are those stored, mount system r/w and rewrite.
I think I found the way to quickly flash ROMs without the hassle of reinstalling all my ~70 apps. Just get *.apk using adb from your current ROM. Then put them in the zip for new ROM under /data/apps. TiBu will restore settings for you.
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You obviously do not understand what ryude was trying to do with Torch if you complain about the lack of apps.
As for voodoo sound, well it will happen when the KB1 source is released and devs can do their magic.
For backups, if you have the paid license for TiBu it offers 1-click batch restores. Pretty amazing!
My ROM doesn't have wallpaperchooser, it's built into the launcher. I optimized all the wallpapers so even though it has 30 wallpapers it only takes up 1MB. All of my ROMs take on a minimalist approach, the smallest amount of apps/services without sacrificing functionality. I will probably add more services/apps in the next version though, since so many people ask for it.
Correct me If i am wrong, but one is a rom that is being tweaked and developed. The other is rooted, debloated, stock dump
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Correct me If i am wrong, but one is a rom that is being tweaked and developed. The other is rooted, debloated, stock dump
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Both ROMs have a considerable amount of tweaks and while it might not seem like it, took a lot of time to create.
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Both ROMs have a considerable amount of tweaks and while it might not seem like it, took a lot of time to create.
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I know that yours did, let me try to rephrase
Cognition is looking to remain as close to stock as possible. Torch is being tweaked and optimized to be slim like precision
Hi Ryude
Thanks for excellent ROM!
Couple of thoughts:
- thanks about letting know about launcher with wallpapers, will remove it
- battery life since overnight recharge from 7 to 12 stayed at 100%, after enabling Wi-Fi and sync - at 99% at 1:30PM.
Personally I think GPS is a gimmick rather than feature on this phone. My cheap Nuvi beats it hands down with its voice directions, windshield attach etc. But still:
- GPS SUPL server is not supl.google.com (as in PlumbBob Fix)
- also in GPS app settings should be Operation Mode="MS Based" instead of standalone
I don't consider QuickOffice and Memo a bloat - they are valuable and useful apps. And they don't run as a service, so no memory or CPU overhead.
Looks like a lot of small diagnostic apps went bye-bye, judging by secret codes not bringing apps. That is a good thing, because it's hard to investigate which ones are non-essential.
As always - we patiently wait for updates! Small tweets or posts in the forum will keep us salivating.
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Hi Ryude
Thanks for excellent ROM!
Couple of thoughts:
- thanks about letting know about launcher with wallpapers, will remove it
- battery life since overnight recharge from 7 to 12 stayed at 100%, after enabling Wi-Fi and sync - at 99% at 1:30PM.
Personally I think GPS is a gimmick rather than feature on this phone. My cheap Nuvi beats it hands down with its voice directions, windshield attach etc. But still:
- GPS SUPL server is not supl.google.com (as in PlumbBob Fix)
- also in GPS app settings should be Operation Mode="MS Based" instead of standalone
I don't consider QuickOffice and Memo a bloat - they are valuable and useful apps. And they don't run as a service, so no memory or CPU overhead.
Looks like a lot of small diagnostic apps went bye-bye, judging by secret codes not bringing apps. That is a good thing, because it's hard to investigate which ones are non-essential.
As always - we patiently wait for updates! Small tweets or posts in the forum will keep us salivating.
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I make the ROM to my own taste, then when I get feedback like yours I can make changes to it. I will add in the memo and quickoffice to data/app. I'll be adding back many diagnostic services.
I am working on GPS as I write this, it's gonna be hard to get it working right.
Thank you for taking the time to constructively post criticism, I appreciate your feedback.
nevermind. wrong thread
For the record, I have no battery issues - in fact, Cog 4.0 gives me the best battery life out of the stock and 2 other ROMs I've tried. Maybe it's the gallery bug - not affecting me.
DG does good work but judging by his posts in the XDA as a whole, I think he's got too many irons in the fire. I don't think cognition has all his attention.
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DG does good work but judging by his posts in the XDA as a whole, I think he's got too many irons in the fire. I don't think cognition has all his attention.
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3 things make for a good developer: Time, Experience, and Passion.
I think DG only has one of those for the captivate.
Some further impressions with Torch 1.5
Some further impressions with Torch 1.5
Battery life in standby does not disappoint. I have my phone third day on without recharge, it was at 85% yesterday, now it is at 50% after 2 hour conference call.
GPS. First to note - Google Maps is not the app you want to use to test GPS. People have issues with it even on iPhone, like driving on oncoming traffic lane etc.
I used Sygic Aura, which has offline maps. It's not free.
Second - judging by opposite posts I think GPS implementation varies between different Captivate batches/builds. So addressing it becomes a real pain.
I applied PlumbBob settings, not actual binary fix: supl.google.com:7276, MS Tracking.
My results with 1006 Rev .04 (couldn't find date) using Sygic Aura in my car are very promising - it gets accurate location within seconds, accurately tracks my drive at ~50mph, gives proper voice warnings etc.
So my suggestion for ROM builders - provide separate binaries for GPS fix (PlumbBob, Adam, stock), so people can try their options before giving up on GPS. At the end though I think it's hardware issue.
Audience noise suppression works, is superior to Voodoo Sound gimmicks. I tested it in bathroom with the loud ventilator on, and recorded a message on my home phone voicemail. Instead of loud whine I heard weak hum in the background with the clear voice.
Bottom line - Torch 1.5 rocks. Voodoo sound can only help with music and ringtone clarity/volumes, not with microphone.
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Some further impressions with Torch 1.5
Battery life in standby does not disappoint. I have my phone third day on without recharge, it was at 85% yesterday, now it is at 50% after 2 hour conference call.
GPS. First to note - Google Maps is not the app you want to use to test GPS. People have issues with it even on iPhone, like driving on oncoming traffic lane etc.
I used Sygic Aura, which has offline maps. It's not free.
Second - judging by opposite posts I think GPS implementation varies between different Captivate batches/builds. So addressing it becomes a real pain.
I applied PlumbBob settings, not actual binary fix: supl.google.com:7276, MS Tracking.
My results with 1006 Rev .04 (couldn't find date) using Sygic Aura in my car are very promising - it gets accurate location within seconds, accurately tracks my drive at ~50mph, gives proper voice warnings etc.
So my suggestion for ROM builders - provide separate binaries for GPS fix (PlumbBob, Adam, stock), so people can try their options before giving up on GPS. At the end though I think it's hardware issue.
Audience noise suppression works, is superior to Voodoo Sound gimmicks. I tested it in bathroom with the loud ventilator on, and recorded a message on my home phone voicemail. Instead of loud whine I heard weak hum in the background with the clear voice.
Bottom line - Torch 1.5 rocks. Voodoo sound can only help with music and ringtone clarity/volumes, not with microphone.
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I do most of my calls through my BT headset so I decided I was willing to give up the audience chip support in favor of a 2.2.1 based ROM with the newest SuckerPunch #4 with voodoo sound support. Not regretting the decision at all, music sounds a lot better through my bose qc's, well worth the sacrifice for me.
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I do most of my calls through my BT headset so I decided I was willing to give up the audience chip support in favor of a 2.2.1 based ROM with the newest SuckerPunch #4 with voodoo sound support. Not regretting the decision at all, music sounds a lot better through my bose qc's, well worth the sacrifice for me.
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I believe vlingo is Samsung's BTVD app of choice, hence why our 2.2 did not come with a voice dialer. Have you tried using vlingo over BT yet?
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I believe vlingo is Samsung's BTVD app of choice, hence why our 2.2 did not come with a voice dialer. Have you tried using vlingo over BT yet?
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I have not, and honestly don't really use voice dialing at all. Working sound and calls through BT is all I need.
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I have not, and honestly don't really use voice dialing at all. Working sound and calls through BT is all I need.
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So that doesn't work on KB1?
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So that doesn't work on KB1?
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It works fine on kb1, just no voodoo sound when I want to listen to music. Its a very noticeable difference. Something I'm not willing to give up for audience chip support since I don't usually make calls without BT.
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It works fine on kb1, just no voodoo sound when I want to listen to music. Its a very noticeable difference. Something I'm not willing to give up for audience chip support since I don't usually make calls without BT.
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So when the kernel source drops you'll want to come back to the captivate kernels?
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So when the kernel source drops you'll want to come back to the captivate kernels?
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Yes, I would. If it has all the features including audience chip there would be no reason to run a hacked and slashed kernel from the i9000 or other device if I could have one built from the captivate source. It's sure to offer more stability, or so one would think.
Sorry mods if i placed this in the wrong section but I just hope google reads this and fixes its faults. I want everyone reading this to post there issues or dislikes so we can enjoy this UI more while providing the best experience to us and other earthlings out there.
1. standby - I noticed the battery life is pretty good when it comes to playing movies,music and little bit of gaming but the standby is just horrid i know are phones are powerful as umpc but there should be a better way to lower consumption on sleep mode.
2. market - not really liking the new layout it needs to be more organized and less oversized.
3. multitasking - it's good obviously between switching to apps right away but sometimes i am left with too much baggage. I suggest there should be a setting to switch this option on/off.
4. scrolling - pretty good but still a little bit of lag now and then. would like the bounce when you hit the edge of the page.
5. UI - needs to be little bit more animated and lively.
6. brightness - the option to lower the level to the lowest.
7. websites - still has some bugs and glitches.
8. sdxc - running out of room here needs support of the extra capaity of sd cards.
9. apps - more quality apps. it seems like they just throw the free ones in the market without fully testing it for bugs. i have to scroll through dozens of unknown users with opinions that are just randomly unbiased.
10. standby again! - please fix this google!!! if i am left stranded from my car broken down or if i am vacationing to another then i'm screwed. I had a winmo phone did me good lasted more than a week on standby.....
It is not Google who builds the UI, its the phone manufacturer... Motoblur,thouchwiz,Sense etc, not google-builds.
To much baggage?, Try downloading and installing an app killer from market.
What other category is there to add to market btw?
Scrolling, I would think this is directly from your phone and not cause of Google...
again, try app killer to free up some ram.
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It is not Google who builds the UI, its the phone manufacturer... Motoblur,thouchwiz,Sense etc, not google-builds.
To much baggage?, Try downloading and installing an app killer from market.
What other category is there to add to market btw?
Scrolling, I would think this is directly from your phone and not cause of Google...
again, try app killer to free up some ram.
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I'm not talking about category but how the market is viewed it's all oversized block columns I prefer it to be more smaller and with more information in each block. I know there are app killers but it's better if it's official built running it would be more stabled and furthermore i hope more people will list there dislikes or changes about android and maybe google and the phone manufacturers will see this and make some fixes to there next builds. i want this thread to be seen by google from future post from xda users dislikes and hoping to change the faults....
Battery usage is my biggest complaint.
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5. UI - needs to be little bit more animated and lively.
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What do you mean?
Live wallpapers arent animated and lively enough for you? Do you use widgets?
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What do you mean?
Live wallpapers arent animated and lively enough for you? Do you use widgets?
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usually when i compare the ebay iphone app to android it's less animated it's dull coming from someone in there thirties i can get to bored easily. don't get me wrong i'm using the 2g iphone it's smooth also laggy my 1ghz android is smooth but the phone doesn't animate i guess it depends on what apps you get also...
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Battery usage is my biggest complaint.
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This is the answer I am looking for from all of you, what you want to change! this deserves a thanks!
Android market has one of the worst layouts..(Both in Android as well as on Website) Despite having all the resources at disposal why they are still taking time to improve the layout?(Laziness??)
message apk should be improved
Given your initial post it sounds as though WP7 may be a better OS to suit your needs.
i dont quite understand #6
"6. brightness - the option to lower the level to the lowest."
my past 2 Android phones (G2 & currently my 4G Touch) have always been able to lower the brightness all the down.
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i dont quite understand #6
"6. brightness - the option to lower the level to the lowest."
my past 2 Android phones (G2 & currently my 4G Touch) have always been able to lower the brightness all the down.
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Mcds is confusing hardware with Android. Basically he'd like the lowest brightness setting on his phone to be dimmer.
You know how the lowest brightness setting on one phone can actually be brighter than a different model, just as the highest setting can be brighter on one handset compared with a different model. It's down to the hardware, not Android.
all these things can be fixed with either a new ROM new kernel or just an app download... when it comes to android, if you know wt u doing then there is nothing that cant be fixed/tweeked to ur liking... that's the power of android my friend RECOGNIZEEEEEEEEEE
Doesn't matter what app, kernel, or rom you download. After androids attempts at emulating ios and wp7s fluid UIs they've proven, the UI just isn't going to get good. To me the UI is half of the reason I buy a phone with the other half being gaming and social integration (be it Facebook or texting) perhaps a small percentage of it is battery life but with my transition to wp7 a huge weight was lifted off of my shoulders. I realized I never wanted to dissect my phone just to increase the fps by 10, I did it because I wanted to make my mobile experience bearable. Now, I have everything I want out of the box.
Smartphones are app platforms, whatever flavour the OS is. Most of what people spend time doing on their phone, whether it be texting, gaming or emailing, is using apps. UI isn't a factor for me as i only see it for a very brief period until i launch the app i need.
If anything, it's the quality of the apps that should be compared between platforms, not the UI. Android Market could probably do with a bit more quality control, that's my own criticism really. Like for like apps on iOS are often more polished than their Android equivalent.
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Doesn't matter what app, kernel, or rom you download. After androids attempts at emulating ios and wp7s fluid UIs they've proven, the UI just isn't going to get good. To me the UI is half of the reason I buy a phone with the other half being gaming and social integration (be it Facebook or texting) perhaps a small percentage of it is battery life but with my transition to wp7 a huge weight was lifted off of my shoulders. I realized I never wanted to dissect my phone just to increase the fps by 10, I did it because I wanted to make my mobile experience bearable. Now, I have everything I want out of the box.
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Exactly, you've freely admitted that you found Android too complex, so of course the simplicity of such a basic OS as WP7 is going to appeal, lets face it, it's even less complex than iOS.
It's ideal for people who have never used a touch screen phone before, or even a mobile phone of any kind, especially if they have fat fingers, the sort of people who are not going to notice the lack of functionality but are easily impressed with visual effects.
xaccers, I still find it comical that you call me the troll but eh. I guess if that's your prerogative. I prefer my phone have decent social integration or as they put it, be "peoplecentric." as I use my phone primarily for *gasp* communication. The fact that it's also aesthetically pleasing is just a bonus, another that android does not have.
DirkGently, I agree to some extent, but I guess I feel the way I do because with WP7 the UI is uniform across the whole OS and most third party apps. I've come to appreciate the beauty in that. I do also agree that I see more quality in both the iOS and WP7 versions of apps that are on all platforms.
Let's not forget that you can't connect to ad-hoc wireless networks. I mean... c'mon...this is just lame.
Kinda not related, but i'ld like the source to be mirrored at some more reliable location xD
Getting to topic, i do like the custom overlays(tw, sense, etc..) but they take significant resources and are one of the causes behind slow updates
Wifi is the big problem for me
I have wifi issues with Archos 70 (Android 2.1 to 2.3, rooted), and Arcer Iconia (Honeycomb 3.2 rooted). Android seems does not like my working wifi and stay in obtaining ip most of the time.
And, I plan to listen some online radio (Domi, Douban for say), once the tablet goes to idle mode, wifi disconnected, make it useless. I tried to set wifi disconnect policy, tried wifi alive, wifi lock, wifi buddy and maybe most wifi related apps in the market, none work.
While iTouch works fine for above 2 scenarios.
Battery life and more quality apps. Seriously, has anyone else noticed that Android apps feel kinda rushed and low quality. Especially if that company/app is on iOS. I always felt that the iOS counterparts seem a lot better and that more time and effort is put into them.
Also, improvement on multitasking. I don't really like the little recent app window crap. Something along the lines of WebOS's multitasking screen would be a really nice addition. Also, notifications should be a little more organized. Apple did a good job with this on their notification dropdown ripoff..
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It is not Google who builds the UI, its the phone manufacturer... Motoblur,thouchwiz,Sense etc, not google-builds.
To much baggage?, Try downloading and installing an app killer from market.
What other category is there to add to market btw?
Scrolling, I would think this is directly from your phone and not cause of Google...
again, try app killer to free up some ram.
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By UI he probably means Android's base UI, Stock Android. You have to admit, it is pretty meh. Downloading a app killer/task manager is a bad idea. That bogs down Android more than background apps do.
Hello,
I'm considering purchasing One X but after reading so many posts about multitasking issues I have serious doubts. I can not really check this since it takes time to see the issue but how if I don't use Sense (use alternative launcher like GoLauncher, will I still have this issue or Sense is bigger then just laucher itself.
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Hello,
I'm considering purchasing One X but after reading so many posts about multitasking issues I have serious doubts. I can not really check this since it takes time to see the issue but how if I don't use Sense (use alternative launcher like GoLauncher, will I still have this issue or Sense is bigger then just laucher itself.
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Sense is bigger than the launcher. Sense affects a lot of the core phone's features can can't be removed with just a launcher. In this particular case, Sense affects memory management, as well as the actual multitasking app itself.
Let's put it this way. If you're playing a game like say... Radiant Defense (awesome game, btw) that takes a while to complete a level and you get a text message... switching to the messaging app will actually cause the game to close. Now you can use the "multitasking" app to go back to the game, but the game will reload. It will not leave off where you left it.
If that sounds like something that would bother you a lot... I'd avoid the phone. HTC has even said that this is a core Sense 4 FEATURE, not a defect. So they won't be fixing it.
Personally don't think this really warrants a new thread, you probably should have just asked in the ongoing discussion on this.
Haven't tried an alternate launcher yet, so I can't comment on that. But as to the basic question of "how bad" the issue is, I think it depends greatly on how you use your phone, and what you expect from it. Obviously, HTC expects most people to be okay with it, or they wouldn't have tweaked it this way. Only had the phone for a few days, but so far the memory management doesn't seem much different from how the HTC Flyer does it, and I've been fine with that (having owned it since June 2011).
Like posted above, Sense is more than just a launcher. The multi-task changes are likely deep in the kernel.
To me, it is not a big deal. I don't like anything running in the background anyway. And for that matter, the number 1 app in the past a typical Android user uses is Auto Task killer which serves the exact same purpose as the new Sense 4.0. I suspect a lot of those Auto Tasker kill users now also the ones who complain about HTC's feature.
Either way, the biggest problem is with Android itself. There isn't any uniform way to inform OS that an app requires to remain running in background (unless you created a service) can be kept that way. And there is no way for an app that doesn't do anything in the background to be suspended without using any system resources. For later, both iOS and WP7 have much better implementation.
For many years now, I use Google Listen as my podcast player everyday. It works in most times while in the background but a lot of occasions, this app will be closed by OS while I'm listening to the podcast. This behavior is the same on couple different Android phones (samsung and now HTC One X). So, if google's own app can't even stay alive in background in various Android phones, it speaks volume that multi-tasking is a over-hyped feature. What HTC did is not necessary bad to everyone. For example, my Samsung phones (SGS, SGS2 and GTab 10.1) doesn't auto kill bakcground tasks (still kills my GListen) but they all lags badly from time to time.
For what it worth, I can use Google Listen in the background while running Google Nav app in the fore ground for a few hours without problem (other than occasionally Listen get closed for no reason).
I have had mine for 2 weeks and only knew about a "problem" from reading these threads.
In all in how you use it. First reply answered it best
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I have had mine for 2 weeks and only knew about a "problem" from reading these threads.
In all in how you use it. First reply answered it best
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Agreed. The only app I use for streaming in the background is subsonic, which functions just fine.
Also I have the very very slight annoyance that games have to completely reload if you exit them and don't switch back very very quickly. So if I get a phone call and go right back to game it's fine, but if I go web browse or something else and go back the game has to reload. This is mitigated somewhat by the raw speed of the phone, as game loading doesn't take very long (unless the game is a ****ty port like PvZ).
To avoid confusion, lets just keep this conversation with the ongoing one here. Thanks.
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Hello guys. Sorry if I come off as a noob here but I have been browsing this forum for the past couple of weeks. I have been specifically looking for a fix for the htc multitasking issues. But even with the suggestions given by users, I still could not find a fix that solved the multitasking issue. However, after much tweaking and playing with minfreemanager, sense, and task manager, I think I have found a fix (or a least a temporary fix) for the multitasking issue on the HOX. Here's a quick video I made to demonstrate this.
(dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=FeOZtvlK08c&feature=g-upl
As you can see in the video, I am able to scroll through multiple apps without any of them closing/restarting as they normally would have on the phone with stock settings. Although not perfect, the multitasking on the HOX has become much better, and almost perfect (at least for how I believe most users would be multitasking). I can make a phone call, go back to my web browser without the browser refreshing. However, I will warn you now, with this method, the phone will freeze up/slow down occasionally (however, I have found this to only happen when using apps that utilize a lot of memory or when browsing the youtube desktop website).
1) First you'll need to download minfreemanager (many of you reading this probably already have this installed). You can get this app in the play store. However, you'll need to have your phone rooted.
2) Download advanced task manager, find the apps (such as games, browsers, etc.) that you use consistently and put them in the ignore list. Then put autokiller on and regular kill on and set the regular kill frequency to 1 minute.
3) Go to minfreemanager and set all values to 0.
4) Reboot your phone.
5) Go back to minfreemanager and reset the values to 0 and apply those settings once again.
6) Have fun with significantly improved multitasking!
Like I said, the multitasking is not perfect, however, for most users, this improved multitasking will suit you well enough to not get you frustrated. Again, if you do not want to have to deal with occasional lag/freezing, then do not use this method. However, if you want improved multitasking, this method works.
But keep in mind that I am a noob still so if there anything that is not good with my settings, please let me know. Im not a tech genius and am only trying to improve everyone's user experience with this phone.
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Hello guys. Sorry if I come off as a noob here but I have been browsing this forum for the past couple of weeks. I have been specifically looking for a fix for the htc multitasking issues. But even with the suggestions given by users, I still could not find a fix that solved the multitasking issue. However, after much tweaking and playing with minfreemanager, sense, and task manager, I think I have found a fix (or a least a temporary fix) for the multitasking issue on the HOX. Here's a quick video I made to demonstrate this.
(dot) youtube (dot) com/watch?v=FeOZtvlK08c&feature=g-upl
As you can see in the video, I am able to scroll through multiple apps without any of them closing/restarting as they normally would have on the phone with stock settings. Although not perfect, the multitasking on the HOX has become much better, and almost perfect (at least for how I believe most users would be multitasking). I can make a phone call, go back to my web browser without the browser refreshing. However, I will warn you now, with this method, the phone will freeze up/slow down occasionally (however, I have found this to only happen when using apps that utilize a lot of memory or when browsing the youtube desktop website).
1) First you'll need to download minfreemanager (many of you reading this probably already have this installed). You can get this app in the play store. However, you'll need to have your phone rooted.
2) Download advanced task manager, find the apps (such as games, browsers, etc.) that you use consistently and put them in the ignore list. Then put autokiller on and regular kill on and set the regular kill frequency to 1 minute.
3) Go to minfreemanager and set all values to 0.
4) Reboot your phone.
5) Go back to minfreemanager and reset the values to 0 and apply those settings once again.
6) Have fun with significantly improved multitasking!
Like I said, the multitasking is not perfect, however, for most users, this improved multitasking will suit you well enough to not get you frustrated. Again, if you do not want to have to deal with occasional lag/freezing, then do not use this method. However, if you want improved multitasking, this method works.
But keep in mind that I am a noob still so if there anything that is not good with my settings, please let me know. Im not a tech genius and am only trying to improve everyone's user experience with this phone.
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Out of curiosity, are you running 1.82? I've had lock-up issues using minfreemanager on 1.73, but apparently they it performs better on 1.82, so I wasn't sure if that might be the cause of your freeze-up/slowdowns.
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Out of curiosity, are you running 1.82? I've had lock-up issues using minfreemanager on 1.73, but apparently they it performs better on 1.82, so I wasn't sure if that might be the cause of your freeze-up/slowdowns.
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Yeah I'm running the 1.73 firmware.
check your available ram now and tell us what it is please
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check your available ram now and tell us what it is please
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175 M. When not using the browser around 220.
You're definitely on to something, way better than anything I have tried so far... I did have a lock up a minute ago though, could be unrelated though... More testing to come.
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I've seen other reports that just being on 1.82 and using the "Minimal" or "Default" settings in Memfreemanager is enough to significantly improve the multitasking, so this might be a bit of overkill. Still, your hard work is appreciated
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You're definitely on to something, way better than anything I have tried so far... I did have a lock up a minute ago though, could be unrelated though... More testing to come.
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+1 Did as you said except for reboot and so far all Is well. Have to see how this effects battery but the multitasking is getting better.
multitasking works much better...but the phone became so laggy when i went back to home screen...takes 1 minute to pull down the notification curtain... I have reversed it now.
Thanks for the good work nevertheless!
men onsuserv
fobfusion said:
multitasking works much better...but the phone became so laggy when i went back to home screen...takes 1 minute to pull down the notification curtain... I have reversed it now.
Thanks for the good work nevertheless!
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What apps were you running when the slow down occured?
What apps did y'all add to the ignore list? Like all Widgets and stuff?
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What apps did y'all add to the ignore list? Like all Widgets and stuff?
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I put games, my web browser, and a couple other apps I don't want closed in the background while using on my ignore list. Anyone else having success worn this method.
I used the default setting on min free, it definitely seems to have improved the kill off time. My Chrome now stays open significantly longer than it used to, although it still dies faster than it did on my Atrix. A few slowdowns on 1.7, but no hard crashes yet.
Im not sure if it was due to this, but after applying this my phone froze at the lock screen and had to reboot.
Suggestion for anyone facing constant slow downs or lock ups, try using the mild setting for minfreemanager and see if that makes a difference. Currently testing with those settings.
Just use Rom Toolbox and use a preset in memory management. It requires root and it basically fixes the refreshing problem.. you can then tweak it the way you want
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Just use Rom Toolbox and use a preset in memory management. It requires root and it basically fixes the refreshing problem.. you can then tweak it the way you want
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Wouldn't this do the same function as using minfreemanager.
This is a million times better than what I was having to deal with
vioalas said:
This is a million times better than what I was having to deal with
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Has this method helped you?
One more quick aid. If you're still dealing with constant slow downs or lag, download cpu tuner from google play. It's free. Use the performance setting and the phone will become much quicker.
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lucius.zen said:
A lot of people have been complaining about UI and browsing lag. I have absolutely no lag, I thought it was because I have cleanROM, but ppl with custom ROMS still complain about lag. I am like Mary Poppins when it comes to keeping my infinity clean, which has led me to beleive the lag most people see is because they have too many homescreens, widgets, and unnecessary crapware. It doesnt matter how powerful your machine is if it is not used efficiently it will lag. If you want to get rid of lag, consider using a simpler set up. I only have 1 homescreen, 3 widgets, zero icons anywhere (including app drawer). I only have 12 downloaded apps, and only 1 runs in the background - GMD Gesture Conrol - which allows me to access everything i need at anytime with no more than 2 gestures. This allows me to multitask like a beast and delete everything else (widgets, icons, homescreens, etc.). The moral of the story is.....
Take a very long hard look at every app, every setting, and every widget, and ask yourself "is this really necessary" - If you would rather throw away your tablet then disable it, keep it, if not, get rid of it.
I havent disabled all animations either, just the unnecessary ones, looking good and being functional are not mutually exclusive.....in all walks of life lol
When in doubt, remeber the adage....
Aint nobody dope as me im dressed so fresh so clean
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Although, obviously, I agree that loading up any device to the very brim with crap, I hardly believe that the developers in here (who are much more experienced, I assume, than you and me combined) haven't looked at that aspect as well. I myself have a spartan desktop (no icons, no widgets), but even then I sense some lag here and there.
It's device-specific to boot, so I think -- speaking generally -- it's a bit too easy to tell people to throw their widgets and icons off the homescreen and TADAAA... the lag is gone. I think it is more complicated. I'm happy it works for you, though.
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Although, obviously, I agree that loading up any device to the very brim with crap, I hardly believe that the developers in here (who are much more experienced, I assume, than you and me combined) haven't looked at that aspect as well. I myself have a spartan desktop (no icons, no widgets), but even then I sense some lag here and there.
It's device-specific to boot, so I think -- speaking generally -- it's a bit too easy to tell people to throw their widgets and icons off the homescreen and TADAAA... the lag is gone. I think it is more complicated. I'm happy it works for you, though.
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There a lot less developers on here than you think, take a look at some of the questions that are asked, its not hard to tell most people on here are not developers (also why this is posted in the "general" section). I agree that while we each have the same hardware, not all hardware is equal, manufacturing isnt perfect, no doubt, not all cpus of the same model get the same performance. Also, take a look at some of the homescreens, etc, that are posted, and its somewhat obvious that most people do not have a spartan setup. While I am not suggesting people throw everything away, something simple like cleaning the hell out of your system can make a significant difference, more so than what a general user would expect. This advice is obviously NOT for developers who know their stuff lol
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There's a lot less developers on here than you think. Take a look at some of the questions that are asked....
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I believe your user experience input is a good thing!
Most Androidians myself as well are not the all knowing developer types.
What I see most is folks just wanting basic info to reach a fully functioning comfort level.
When someone like yourself can speak in simple terms and offer a boot up all the better!
The Infinity forum is one of the best.
There are some great folks in here!
I hope I have articulated this reply a bit better (and nicer) than my first one. It was running late ( deep into the night already) after a pretty busy day, and I still had a lot of stuff to do. Not good for my energy level and state of mind, LOL. I apologize if you felt crossed, or if I hit a nerve. That was never my intention.
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There a lot less developers on here than you think, take a look at some of the questions that are asked, its not hard to tell most people on here are not developers (also why this is posted in the "general" section).
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I fully agree, but I wasn't referring to them and their own devices -- rather, it's them who develop the ROMs we are running, and they are doing pretty amazing stuff eliminating lag at its basis. Keeping a system clean is the cherry on that cake.
I agree that while we each have the same hardware, not all hardware is equal, manufacturing isnt perfect, no doubt, not all cpus of the same model get the same performance.
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That was exactly my point regarding the effect being device-specific -- both in regards to the origin of the lag and the solution to that nasty issue.
Also, take a look at some of the homescreens, etc, that are posted, and its somewhat obvious that most people do not have a spartan setup.
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You formulated that quite nicely. I am a bit surprised that some people can actually get their 700 to boot up with all the crap.
While I am not suggesting people throw everything away, something simple like cleaning the hell out of your system can make a significant difference, more so than what a general user would expect. This advice is obviously NOT for developers who know their stuff lol
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As Thats_OK said, I, too, are thankful you're speaking up, and give the newbies to Android in general and the ones in here specifically a pointer. I only deplored the fact that you didn't hit oil, or a gold vein, in terms of solving lags. And I just wanted to point out -- just to clarify my point regarding the devs coming into to play here -- that, as long as you pick a solid custom ROM, you already get a tweaked system that is less sensitivie to lag out of the box, and that a large proportion of that lag is hardware-based, and is here to stay (unfortunately).
I f I got a euro for every idiot that keeps his/her desktop absolutely loaded with rubbish, and then complains about lag, I'd be in the Quote 500.
Regardless of the OS, the more crap you have running and deposited on your desktop, the slower it becomes.
Every single fancy Widget, Launcher, Overlay, LWP, App, Shortcut or bloody Popup slows your system down.
No developer can defend him/herself and their ROM against idiots who think it's a good idea to put their entire app drawer on their homescreens along with half a dozen sticky notes and some funny clocks and other random crap. You can release the cleanest ROM you can think of, but if an ignorant user puts a hundred apps on the homescreen and runs a heavy Live Wallpaper, it'll lag.
People also need to learn to shut down useless processes. Pressing the home key whilst in a game shuts it down on a phone, it DOESN'T do so on a tablet. At least, not this one. It keeps running. It does on occasion help to go into Settings-->Apps-->Running and kill all remaining games, apps and junk. And then going into Cached Processes (top right), and doing the same thing again. A cached game still uses part of the system.
Just to play devils advocate here, one of the big "pluses" of Android is the fact that it has widgets! Personally, I have 3 home screens and probably a total of about 10 widgets total. But, there is no way in hell that I'm going to dump these widgets as they are *extremely* useful and one of the reasons that I switched to Android in the first place!
That being said, my system runs perfectly on CleanROM using the *stock* kernel. I used to run Clemsyns' kernel, but with the latest version of CleanROM, I've found that the stock kernel actually seems to run better (and also allows unlimited email sync, which for some strange reason, goes away with Cleamsyn kernel)... Even the animations seem smoother on the stock kernel now...
I also use an app called WidgetLocker, which allows you to place widgets on the lock screen, so that my lock screen looks like this (excuse the crude editing to protect the innocent!):
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
With this, a simple press of the power button (or moving my bluetooth mouse when at work) gives me *tons* of useful information *very* quickly! I couldn't live without it at this point (my main home screen is similar, but different).
I guess I'm just trying to say that if you are going to abandon widgets and homescreen, etc - then you just lost a *big* benefit of Android!
You *can* still use widgets (even a lot of them) and multiple home screen and still get great performance. I don't want new users to get the wrong idea from this thread!
Also, I *never* manually stop any processes and never have a problem... Again, you shouldn't have to worry about killing processes to get a good-running system.
Just my two cents!
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I think jtrosky is right, and this occurred to me last night when going over the post after having replied: essentially, we're talking about usability. Optimizing that should mean to strike a balance between raw power (i.e., absence of lag, amongst other criteria) and the added bonus of having information at your proverbial fingertips. It's very inefficient if you have to enter a specific application every time you need that little scrap of information (whether that is a weather forecast or an e-mail header or something).
While I appreciate the gesture of sharing the information, I have to question the rationale behind all the suggestions in the OP. Of course the device will lag here and there, but it is still usable out of the box. Why would I want to refrain from using features that are so useful like widgets and multiple home screens just to make other things that I don't need run faster (for instance, faster boot time)? Most importantly, limiting the number of apps installed is not an option, at least to people like me who use the tablet to replace my laptop most of the time.
If lags really bug you guys this much, someone may have to start working on porting iOS to our Infinity. Then there would be no complaint about widgets and multiple home screen slowing you down.
Anyway, I just want to share my point of view. No intention to start an unnecessary argument.
I think I need to clarify some things I meant.
An App you use and an App that's just there.
Some (many) have the weather widget on their homescreen, but never look at it or even update it. It's the first thing I deleted
Email widgets. If you only get one/two emails per day, and/or if you keep WiFi off all the time, there's really no point in keeping it on your homescreen.
Some, (and I'm guilty of this. All my games, anyway.) have all their apps on their homescrees as well. The app drawer is only one tap away.
News widgets, when you keep WiFi off.
Three or four different keyboards at once. I once had Swiftkey, Hackers and Asus running at once. This slowed down my system, while I only used one of them,
Live wallpapers. Some are so resource-heavy that they cause a lot of lag. Fine if you like it, but don't whine your system lags.
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I hope I have articulated this reply a bit better (and nicer) than my first one. It was running late ( deep into the night already) after a pretty busy day, and I still had a lot of stuff to do. Not good for my energy level and state of mind, LOL. I apologize if you felt crossed, or if I hit a nerve. That was never my intention.
I fully agree, but I wasn't referring to them and their own devices -- rather, it's them who develop the ROMs we are running, and they are doing pretty amazing stuff eliminating lag at its basis. Keeping a system clean is the cherry on that cake.That was exactly my point regarding the effect being device-specific -- both in regards to the origin of the lag and the solution to that nasty issue.You formulated that quite nicely. I am a bit surprised that some people can actually get their 700 to boot up with all the crap. As Thats_OK said, I, too, are thankful you're speaking up, and give the newbies to Android in general and the ones in here specifically a pointer. I only deplored the fact that you didn't hit oil, or a gold vein, in terms of solving lags. And I just wanted to point out -- just to clarify my point regarding the devs coming into to play here -- that, as long as you pick a solid custom ROM, you already get a tweaked system that is less sensitivie to lag out of the box, and that a large proportion of that lag is hardware-based, and is here to stay (unfortunately).
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I agree with you, insalling a custom ROM is the best way to go to fix lag, and the developers on here are bad ASS!
I think people who do end up with great setups with reduced lag should share more in general, considering how many people post about having really negative experiences.
jtrosky said:
Just to play devils advocate here, one of the big "pluses" of Android is the fact that it has widgets! Personally, I have 3 home screens and probably a total of about 10 widgets total. But, there is no way in hell that I'm going to dump these widgets as they are *extremely* useful and one of the reasons that I switched to Android in the first place!
That being said, my system runs perfectly on CleanROM using the *stock* kernel. I used to run Clemsyns' kernel, but with the latest version of CleanROM, I've found that the stock kernel actually seems to run better (and also allows unlimited email sync, which for some strange reason, goes away with Cleamsyn kernel)... Even the animations seem smoother on the stock kernel now...
I also use an app called WidgetLocker, which allows you to place widgets on the lock screen, so that my lock screen looks like this (excuse the crude editing to protect the innocent!):
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With this, a simple press of the power button (or moving my bluetooth mouse when at work) gives me *tons* of useful information *very* quickly! I couldn't live without it at this point (my main home screen is similar, but different).
I guess I'm just trying to say that if you are going to abandon widgets and homescreen, etc - then you just lost a *big* benefit of Android!
You *can* still use widgets (even a lot of them) and multiple home screen and still get great performance. I don't want new users to get the wrong idea from this thread!
Also, I *never* manually stop any processes and never have a problem... Again, you shouldn't have to worry about killing processes to get a good-running system.
Just my two cents!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
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I agree, widgets are sweet and one of the reasons i love android. My tab is still incredibly functional, there are just ways to do everything and get all the information you need without loading a tons of stuff. My spartan setup has not sacrificed functionlity for cleanliness - I am getting a degree in sciences and havent used my laptop since i got this tab 6 mos ago, my tablet is incredibly functional, to the point where i prefer it to using brand new iMacs at my lab.
I just see most widgets and apps as completely useless. Most settings are accessible from the status bar, and all apps can be accessible at any time thru apps like swipepad/GMD gesture control/home2shortcut which can help cut down on the need for widgets, homescreens, and the app drawer altogether (which i have functionally disabled).
Edit - My major pet peeve is live wall papers, seriously wtf is the point, consuming cpu? lol
EDIT - I know this aint for the faint of heart, however, I just flashed CLemsyns 1.9 Ghz Kernel this morning and everything is super stable and temp is good after stress tests. Also..........
GOT A 7524 IN QUADRANT....wadup....I can load **** loads of flash videos and I dont even get lag.....fckin sweeeeeet
jtrosky said:
Just to play devils advocate here, one of the big "pluses" of Android is the fact that it has widgets! Personally, I have 3 home screens and probably a total of about 10 widgets total. But, there is no way in hell that I'm going to dump these widgets as they are *extremely* useful and one of the reasons that I switched to Android in the first place!
That being said, my system runs perfectly on CleanROM using the *stock* kernel. I used to run Clemsyns' kernel, but with the latest version of CleanROM, I've found that the stock kernel actually seems to run better (and also allows unlimited email sync, which for some strange reason, goes away with Cleamsyn kernel)... Even the animations seem smoother on the stock kernel now...
I also use an app called WidgetLocker, which allows you to place widgets on the lock screen, so that my lock screen looks like this (excuse the crude editing to protect the innocent!):
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With this, a simple press of the power button (or moving my bluetooth mouse when at work) gives me *tons* of useful information *very* quickly! I couldn't live without it at this point (my main home screen is similar, but different).
I guess I'm just trying to say that if you are going to abandon widgets and homescreen, etc - then you just lost a *big* benefit of Android!
You *can* still use widgets (even a lot of them) and multiple home screen and still get great performance. I don't want new users to get the wrong idea from this thread!
Also, I *never* manually stop any processes and never have a problem... Again, you shouldn't have to worry about killing processes to get a good-running system.
Just my two cents!
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 2
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Completely agree here. My reason for staying with Android is how it allows you to customize it to the way you want to use it... widgets and all. If not, I'd just go with iOS as it's more stable and "just works."
jvnat said:
Completely agree here. My reason for staying with Android is how it allows you to customize it to the way you want to use it... widgets and all. If not, I'd just go with iOS as it's more stable and "just works."
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Soooooo true, android was made by nerds, for nerds. If you want to simply open a box and be a lemming, go for apple.
I work at the computer store on my universities campus and most ppl buying an ipad dont even know why they want one, it makes selling their products hella easy (i try not to to be honest), apple is unbelievable at marketing and design, i will give them that lol.