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Leaving the Raphael for a Palm Pre?

So how many of you lucky American's are upgrading to a Palm Pre this weekend?
I'm in Australia so have to wait, unfortunately Can wait to get my hands on one of these Palm Pre's though. I love my Raphael and Windows Mobile, but the Palm Pre and WebOS is just awesome! Sorry MS Mobile, but too little too late - even with v6.5 (and the terrific ROM chef's here on xda!!)

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I played with a Pre and I'm going to wait for the TP2 to hit the US, the keys are to small for me to type effectively on, its a slick UI but for functionality its just not there yet.

I dont like Palm. Sticking with my Fuze.

i think the palm pre is just a bit of a knockoff of the touchpro 2 interface .
basically the same thing slightly different with a different name.
the keyboard is rather small [i definately agree with you aaronsmckee]
and 6.5 is getting better about every 5 hours or so ( you should watch the forums its really really really fun lol ) i would stick with the raphael or tp2 over the palm pre .

I wish I could. I'm even on Sprint and only a few months from my upgrade. But I don't want to go to the more expensive plan

The push Gmail is a big deal to me, the Pre is the only device that natively supports it.
But alas, I have a new AT&T 2 year contract.

DaveLinger said:
The push Gmail is a big deal to me, the Pre is the only device that natively supports it.
But alas, I have a new AT&T 2 year contract.
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just use a third party for your push gmail, like mobipush.com

Definitely not leaving the TP for the Pre....especially with all the wonderful chefs here...

thesilentnight said:
Definitely not leaving the TP for the Pre....especially with all the wonderful chefs here...
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100% second [email protected] I'm never [email protected] HTC.

I would, honestly -- it looks like it could be fun to write code for, even with the Touch Pro's superior specs.
But the Touch Pro, thanks in large part to the great software people wrote for it, is very nice and does what I need (almost) -- plus, I just renewed my contract to get it seven months ago.

mouth said:
So how many of you lucky American's are upgrading to a Palm Pre this weekend?
I'm in Australia so have to wait, unfortunately Can wait to get my hands on one of these Palm Pre's though. I love my Raphael and Windows Mobile, but the Palm Pre and WebOS is just awesome! Sorry MS Mobile, but too little too late - even with v6.5 (and the terrific ROM chef's here on xda!!)
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Well I have already left for the Pre. I had a fuze (had ATT but switched to Sprint b/c of a much better value) but the touch pro is ridiculously priced on Sprint's network, its almost 50% higher than the pre itself, and I couldn't justify spending any more than what I did for the Pre...especially since the TP2 will be out soon. Anyway, I've had the pre for a few days now and I do miss the TP to a certain degree. The biggest thing I miss are the options that are universally provided by windows mobile. The TP in my opinion is still my favorite phone device that I've ever had, but the Pre isn't bad by any means. I just dont know what to do with all the free time I have now that I'm not able to flash custom roms anymore!

mouth said:
So how many of you lucky American's are upgrading to a Palm Pre this weekend?
I'm in Australia so have to wait, unfortunately Can wait to get my hands on one of these Palm Pre's though. I love my Raphael and Windows Mobile, but the Palm Pre and WebOS is just awesome! Sorry MS Mobile, but too little too late - even with v6.5 (and the terrific ROM chef's here on xda!!)
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Palm pre looks like a chic phone...slide down keyboard is weak...staying with my touch pro!

aren't there a bunch of hardware issues with the pre like case cracking and the screen part spinning/twisting from the keyboard slider. Also read it has horrible battery since its always downloading data.

mouth said:
So how many of you lucky American's are upgrading to a Palm Pre this weekend?
I'm in Australia so have to wait, unfortunately Can wait to get my hands on one of these Palm Pre's though. I love my Raphael and Windows Mobile, but the Palm Pre and WebOS is just awesome! Sorry MS Mobile, but too little too late - even with v6.5 (and the terrific ROM chef's here on xda!!)
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I'm interested in the Palm Pre and I'm thinking about switching, but currently, there are some serious issues that needs to be addressed:
1) Hardware - I held the Palm Pre at Best Buy and it was plain horrible. It didn't feel smooth and the QWERTY keyboard was very bad; I know that I would not be able to type effectively with that keyboard.
2) Screen and resolution - I'm really sorry, but a 3.1in screen and QVGA resolution is just not going to be good enough. The screen should be at least 3.5in and the resolution should at least be VGA (if not WVGA). I also hope that either Palm or Apple eventually moves to an AMOLED screen (but this is more of a wish than a requirement).
These are my two main gripes with the Palm Pre. It's a very good device, but it actually seems more dated than Apple's iPhone in some cases. Considering the iPhone is already outdated in a lot of ways, this is not a good thing. Meh, maybe later WebOS phone models will be superior, but at this point, I really can not switch to the Pre with those issues above.

3.1" screen and HVGA res with an all-new OS designed to take advantage of the capacitive screen is worse than a 2.8" line-doubled VGA screen that acts as QVGA?
Sound like somebody is missing the forest for the trees.

slick69 said:
3.1" screen and HVGA res with an all-new OS designed to take advantage of the capacitive screen is worse than a 2.8" line-doubled VGA screen that acts as QVGA?
Sound like somebody is missing the forest for the trees.
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Is that towards me? Next time, try pressing the 'Quote' button as I often ignore posts that doesn't have anything from my post in quote form (or at least quotation marks).
Now then, I'm sorry that I gave you the impression, but not once did I say the Pre had a worse screen/res than the Raphael. No, I don't mind if you go ahead and re-read my post to make sure. I think you may be surprised.
What I'm saying is that I'm not going to pay to upgrade to a new phone if I don't find the specs good enough. When I'm ready to buy a new phone, I'm not going to buy the Raphael a second time. I'm going to buy a phone that has a bigger screen, equal/higher res, better CPU, and just overall better specs. If that special phone happens to have WebOS on it, even better, but unfortunately, the Palm Pre is not that phone.

Okay Raph users.... what's next?

Hi guys!
Well, after four FUZE's.... for me, my partner, and two employees, it seems like it's time for an upgrade.
I've a blast with NATF's 4 series ROMS, and after about a year, I'm looking for a new device.
I noticed that the Touch Pro has the same CPU as our trusty Raphs, so I am not thrilled with that.
I find my device rather sluggish. It's not terrible, but... well... you know how it is!
So... Does anyone have any experience with a newer device? Maybe the Touch Pro 2 IS a big improvement (better resolution / tilt keyboard...), but it doesn't appear that way.
Thoughts are most definitely welcome.
I need to order another device, and right now, I just can't think of anything beyond yet another Fuze.
I'd love to hear what you guys have to say! I'm itching for a new device!
Thanks!
Mike

i don't find it that sluggish...
iPhone now? or the Palm Pre?

If your TP is sluggish, are you running the rom that came with the phone?
Mine was, until I discovered the cooked 6.5 roms back in May. I've flashed mine dozens of times. The 2303x builds are LIGHTNING fast, and depending on who you get it from, 99% of them are rock stable.
Pop over to the rom section, read the "flashing guide for Newbies" and then check out some of the great roms. These guys put in a LOT of time making the WM software better, and NO CARRIER BLOATWARE.

Michael_514 said:
Hi guys!
Well, after four FUZE's.... for me, my partner, and two employees, it seems like it's time for an upgrade.
I've a blast with NATF's 4 series ROMS, and after about a year, I'm looking for a new device.
I noticed that the Touch Pro has the same CPU as our trusty Raphs, so I am not thrilled with that.
I find my device rather sluggish. It's not terrible, but... well... you know how it is!
So... Does anyone have any experience with a newer device? Maybe the Touch Pro 2 IS a big improvement (better resolution / tilt keyboard...), but it doesn't appear that way.
Thoughts are most definitely welcome.
I need to order another device, and right now, I just can't think of anything beyond yet another Fuze.
I'd love to hear what you guys have to say! I'm itching for a new device!
Thanks!
Mike
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Get an iPhone. Duh!
On a serious note, it depends on whether you want to stay on the Windows Mobile platform or not, and whether you still want a physical keyboard or not. If you don't mind giving all touch-screen a try, then consider getting the Touch Pro HD (HTC Blackstone). I've heard great things about it, and it looks absolutely lovely. Otherwise, the only real upgrade path that I can think of is getting the Touch Pro 2 or similar.
It's really hard to upgrade when you're pretty much at the upper limit for smartphones. The Raphael is one of HTC's fastest devices, so keep that in mind.

My friend went from a Sprint Touch Pro (CDMA) to an Iphone 3G S 32GB... and he is a computer science grad student and a tech nerd... and he is blown away by the iphone. Yes Iphone OS is not like WM in functionality, but what the OS lacks, the apps make up for it. The Iphone is very stable, doesn't overheat (his doesn't), and is incredibly snappy. Plus its got a great screen, a built in ipod, etc. Just no insurance! =X And Apple control...

Hi guys!
First of all, allow me to clarify... I would 100% like to stay with a Windows Mobile phone, and second of all, I DEFINITELY need a slide out QWERTY keyboard.
And FYI.. I should have clarified... I am not a newbie! I have been hacking these phones and updating my ROMS for years now.
As I thought I mentioned, I have been flashing NATF's ROMS.
I started out with the CASIO BOSS in 1986, and as of late, I've had around six HTC phones, from the SX-66 to the 8125 to the 8525 to the FUZE, and so forth.
I don't know much about the iPhone 3GS, but I wrote a lengthy review of the 3G, and it just didn't suit my needs.
And like it or not, the FUZE is sluggish on my levels, even with the best ROMS. I don't think it's TERRIBLE, not at all, but let's face it... It's more like the feeling I get working off my modest Tablet PC on battery, than off my 4 monitored desktop's Quad Core Q9450 64Bit CPU, with 8 GB of RAM and 4TB on the hard drive.
There is just that little bit of 2008/2009 sluggishness that is making me a little eager and power hungry for a mind-blowing 2009/2010 device.
So, yeah, all this to say, I am not looking for an iPhone(!)
I am looking for a kick-ass Windows Mobile device that is the "next generation". The 8525 was an excellent jump from the 8125, which was an excellent jump from the SX66.
I am just looking for an equivalent jump, even if it's not made by HTC.
The FUZE/Touch Pro was THE must-have phone for all Hermes users.
I just needed a little guidance for the next one.
I am still looking for your suggestions! Thanks!

The TP2 has the best keyboard I've ever used on a phone. I've had the 8525, Tilt and Touch Pro (and a few others along the way). In fact, if I spend a few more days with it I may be faster with it than a desktop...it's really that good. As for performance, the AT&T version is excepted to come with 6.5 and 6.5 does run a lot better than 6.1 does in terms of speed but it's also a lot smoother overall and easier to use. It's probably 45 days off though if the rumors are right. The screen (a huge WVGA) feels a lot more sensitive. As far as speed, it is the same chipset and I've used both a Touch HD and a TP2 and it does feel faster but I think it's partially due to a mroe sensitive screen and people confuse that with the response time because the taps are easier to register. using TF3D you get your occasional hiccup. For my 2 cents I think when 6.5 comes out TF3D may not be as necessary but it's a personal preference. I hope TF3D 2.5 runs lighter since as a program it is pretty heavy in v2.1. All of this plays into 'speed'. In short though, the TP2 does feel like a pretty big upgrade over the TP(1). Again,t he screen size lets you see so much more that it simply puts it into another class. You can easily one hand emails with the onscreen keyboard and that works great for short responses but for large emails just open the keyboard and you feel like you have a minicomputer.

I've just purchased a TP2 to replace my TP1.
Same familiar WinMo, same massive repoistory of software, bigger screen, better keyboard. And it's not a piece of fruit

Thanks guys!
Very interesting praise for the TP2.
I had no idea the AT&T version was just around the corner. Good news.
bugsy, that is quite the glowing review. I was quite surprised to hear it had the same processor as the TP. I was hoping for a little boost!
Thanks again!

I just ordered one on ebay!

I know it's a little late, but have you considered symbian?
Nokia's got some really cool smart phones. The N97's bad ass!

Acer m900 until the USA compatible Omnia Pro shows up. Everything on the Acer is snappier than the Touch Pro, and probably what the older Wizard was like. Glad to be off the candy toy-phone the HTC made the Touch Pro into. Couldn't even do handwriting, nor using the VGA proper on a screen of that tiny size and the Qualcomm lag...
Both (m900, OmniaPro) still half as fast as the iPhone 3GS, but waiting for the 3GS to gain either cheap unlocked, or Palm Pre to go GSM. Nokia is still in some ditch thinking crap cpus can get them far.

Let us know how it turns out.

As the Raphael ages, What will be your next phone?

Still in love with my Touchpro, but as with all tech, I can watch it slow down with newer builds of 6.5. Its aging and I'm thinking of upgrading soon, but I want a phone I know the community is going to support the way we do with the TP.
The HTC Leo looks so sexy....but I'm having a lot of dreams about Android as well.

For me, I cant live without hardware keyboard and GPS, so TP2 is my next choice. If only Leo has hardware keyboard..hmmmm

I'll probably wait for the 3rd incarnation of the tP (TP3). I want that snapdragon processor!!!

silverkiller said:
Still in love with my Touchpro, but as with all tech, I can watch it slow down with newer builds of 6.5.
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I don't understand this. Touch Pro has the same processor and RAM as TP2, TD2, HD etc. In other words, it's the same phone, only resolution is different. Why do you think that for example TP2 is quicker? All specs are the same.

I'll be using a phone that doesn't exist now, but it will totally kick ass and iphone users will be really jealous.

Hate the hardware keyboard, extra bulk for me so....
AT&T Pure (TD2) enroute today!

One of the phones with the snapdragon or Tegra(?) chips.

I'm caught between the AT&T Pure (aka Topaz), cuz it is just so fine in the hand and has a beautiful screen and 5mp camera; the TP2 because of the keyboard; or wait for the HD2, cuz it's a capacitive screen, has a screaming processor, and 3.5mm earphone. It looks awesome!

I only find my Touch Pro faster with the latest WM6.5 builds. I initially wanted to purchase Diamond 2, so I went to the ATT store and checked it out.
IT does have a larger screen but the width of the screen is exactly the same as Fuze, so it doesn't improved the software keyboard since the area it takes up is exactly the same width wise.
And overall the Pure feels very much plasticy, and too light for my likings.
And the WM6.5 on Diamond 2 isn't even close to what the cooks have done for the Touch Pro, so I walked away empty handed.
Maybe I'll go back to the store when TP2 arrives, but I still think TP is a solid phone, I even like to use it more than my iphone 3g. (well my gf doesn't want to use the fuze, so that's the only choice I got =/

I will wait for the HD2
My next one is going to be HD2! Look at the video. It's really cool.
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/htc-hd2-caught-on-video

I have another tab open right now, with an Acer F1 sitting in the basket for £338 - over £200 cheaper than the HD2's pre-order price from the same UK online retailer!
The only thing stopping me from pressing the 'checkout now' button is the lack of TouchFlo 3D and my uncertainty over whether anyone will develop it in the way I know the good folks here will look after the HD2. I'm so torn!!!!
Don't...know...what....to....do!

im just gona bide my time and w8 because just when i bought my tilt they came out with the fuze about 2 months L8r.... but i do have the fuze now so i will just w8 til my contract is up and see what is out then.... i love my fuze and i think its the best phone that they offer @ at&t prior to the release of the new tilt 2 and pure

I feel the same. Acer F1 looks great on specs, but the HD2 has both WM 6.5 and Touch flo.
Im going with the HD2, since theres always upgrades on XDA and WM 7.0 will show its furry little face in the Spring lol

whatever the next TP3 is - gotta have snapdragon/tegra, HD kb.

have been thinking about omnia2 qwerty...

mputtr said:
I'll probably wait for the 3rd incarnation of the tP (TP3). I want that snapdragon processor!!!
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+1 on this one. Why purchase an expensive device just for the larger screen with same specs. My only concern is that ATT may not offer it due to the direct competition to the iPhone (in regards of the HD2 at least). Though double dipping money with iPhone and WinMobile based device could just kill the last thought...
I'll wait for the 1 GHz device without any doubt.

So what are the options for someone on AT&T?
I want a new phone because my TP is falling apart. The keyboard doesn't respond well, some of the keys barely work, etc etc.
The TP2 simply isn't even an upgrade. It is amazing they are even calling it an "upgrade."
I've seen soooo many reviews(Engadget,Gizmodo) bashing WM 6.5. I haven't used Android or the iPhone, but these reviews must mean WM sucks compared to Android/et al.
So I'm thinking of getting an Android phone, or would love to try a WebOS phone, etc.
Are there any phones from Europe or other carriers that I might want to look for? Something that is an actual upgrade from the TP? Thanks guys!

@schwalbach
Touch HD aka Blackstone from down under perhaps (Telstra enabled for frequency match). But, again, same specs larger screen. Get a replacement or at least check how much it is and hold on a few more months until ATT or another US carrier announces snapdragon based phones. I could likely happen that they'll wait for MS to pair it with a WinMo 7 release (just a guess).

I messed around with a Touch Pro 2 the other day and I really liked it, but as has been pointed out, with the same chipset I'm not sure it's really worth the outlay, especially for someone who buys their handsets sim free. And they took away the handy 'torch' from the back. Cads.
Has anyone been to Qualcomm's website and seen the next Snapdragon with 1.5 Ghz cpu? Eeeek!
The trouble with waiting for the Touch Pro 3 is it's bound to be only 3mm thick, but the size of a coffee table ; )
If I can get over my current love of the Acer S200/F1 I may try and play with an Omnia Pro and see what that's like....

I just got my Fuze for my Bday a couple months back knowing that the Tilt 2 was coming. I still really like my Fuze, but I really like the Tilt 2, but I'd never get it because of the now mandatory data plans, which I'm thankful for getting my Fuze early enough. If I had my choice I'd jump ship on the next 2 generations after the Tilt 2 on AT&T, but those data plans are too expensive for me so I'll probably have to jump off my first WinMo device and go to Nokia for unlocked phones, unless HTC or someone starts selling unlocked WinMo/Android phones.Which I really hope someone starts doing, I'd really like to stick to WinMo.

Which phone to get HTC HD2 or Toshiba TG01

Hi,
I am looking to replace my MDA Compact IV with either the HTC HD2 or the Toshiba TG01 or iPhone 3GS.
I have not really seen either of these phones properly, but have read reviews online.
Does anyone have any views on which is the better phone??
I have thown the iPhone in as a comparison, but would rather stick with a WM based phone.

right off the back i say the hd2 its packing a 1gz snapdragon processor. switching from the iphone and going to the hd2 u well be please. It basically the touch pro 2 with out a keyboard but the tp2 is packing a 512mb processor.
But i say get the HD2 ur getting a fast phone, better cam, look better and you can tweak your phone etc. idk it the shi lol

DONT GET THE TOSHIBA TG01!!!
I sold mine after only a few weeks, here are the problems i found after upgrading to windows mobile 6.5
1) the funky home screen stopped moving in 3D and only kinds slid across the screen
2) the g-sensor is crap somtimes u turn the phone and nothing happens, then you turn it back and it will quickly flick from landsacape to portrait
3) programs stored on the SD card, the icons would disapear after a soft reset, only leaving the generic blue and white .exe icon in there place
4)the phone is 2 thin and thus the sylus cannot be house in the housing like a htc device making it awfull to use, always saying to ur mates "DID U SEE WHERE I PUT MY STYLUS" lol
5) in landscape mode the wm start menu looks awfull and only takes up the middle section of the screen
6)there are black bars at the top and bottom of the screen, you dont notice when using a pitch black theme like "htc black//0 but use a colourful one and it looks like the top bar has dropped down a bit and it very annoying lol
i could prob remember more if you gave me a minute lol GET THE HTC HD 2

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right off the back i say the hd2 its packing a 1gz snapdragon processor. switching from the iphone and going to the hd2 u well be please. It basically the touch pro 2 with out a keyboard but the tp2 is packing a 512mb processor.
But i say get the HD2 ur getting a fast phone, better cam, look better and you can tweak your phone etc. idk it the shi lol
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the tgo1 has the 1gig snapdragon processor too, it only has 288mb of ram compaired to the hd 2's 512mb

Thanks for the replies, looks like it will be the HD2 then given the responses.
Does anyone know what the battery life is like on the HD2 as I can only get approx 2 days from my current MDA compact IV (Diamond Touch) which is really annoying.
Also, now my mda is out of contract, may have a go at changing the rom. Which are the best roms for it??

Don't know if it is of any importance for you but TG01 has USB host and it was confirmed that mouse, keyboards and gamepads work very well with it. Don't know about flash drives though.

BEERMONSTER! said:
Thanks for the replies, looks like it will be the HD2 then given the responses. Does anyone know what the battery life is like on the HD2 as I can only get approx 2 days from my current MDA compact IV (Diamond Touch) which is really annoying.
Also, now my mda is out of contract, may have a go at changing the rom. Which are the best roms for it??
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Check out XDA's Leo HD2 section of the forum. It has all the answers, info, & detailed threads for you...
BTW, I highly recommend the Leo!

HD2. no doubt
I can't have an opinion on the TG01, as I have not tried it. I own an iphone 3GS and recently replaced a touch HD with touch HD2.
The HD2 is, by far, superior to any phone I ever used. I have been with ETEN, and HTC for over 4 years, and iphone since the first generation. The [email protected] is the one. On any given category- it's a winner.
Screen is amazing. Capacitive (multi finger) like the iphone, but resolution is much better and 4.3" is a killer screen. GPS apps are killing the iphone in any comparison. Don't get fooled by 85,000 apps on the apple store. 84,850 of them will have no use for you, and the ones that are- you will find WM app that does the same.
Compatibility with Exchange server and outlook (actually all office apps) - HD2 wins big time again.
Keyboard- HD2 again. though the iphone is about the same, the HD2 has a wide screen. It helps a lot.
Reception - it's a phone after all - HD2 wins again (on AT&T network in the US). sound is crystal clear.
CPU speed- HD2 wins again. The snapdragon is a monster.
Battery life - OK, you can't win them all. The iphone has a better battery life, BUT I have two batteries and the HD2 wins again (with a cheat). Can't have the iphone battery out that easy.
BT - the HD2 wins again with great stereo that the 3GS can dream of having.
Music - no need for the stupid itune app. For me, it was annoying. I have 2 laptops and could never have itunes work right for me because you need to work around syncing your device. Not to mention I had hard time moving purchased songs from the ipod to the phone. You need to beg apple folks to support you after you have already paid. with the HD2 you simply put the MP3 on the SD card and you are done.
SD card- HD2 wins big time with 32G support, and replaceable cards. iphone is 16G at best and that's about it.
Camera- Until the HD2 I was thinking iphone has a great camera. Boy how wrong i could be. The HD2 with a dual LED flash wins again. Just make sure to have the camera bug fixed with a cab install and it is winning again.
Lastly- HTC is the Mercedes-Benz of phones. Apple came up with a great device but HTC eventually came out with a better one. Toshiba? Great TV sets, no doubts, but phones? They are far behind, IMO...
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but phones? They are far behind, IMO...
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Keep in mind the HD2 came out a fair while after the TG01... I don't know if it's really fair to say Toshiba is behind, if anything HTC was behind for a little while in terms of hardware...
But of course right now I would say HD2 is the way to go...

Toshiba is old. I'd get an HD2!

Reccomend a Phone thread

Hi folks, you know the drill, my current phone (an HTC Mogul) is getting past it's usefulness and once more I find myself on a hunt to find a phone that has the most of what I do want and the least of what I don't, in other words the best compremise between the device of my dreams and what's actually avaliable.
Further to this I am limited in funds so not only can I not go out and purchase a brand new top of the line model, the device I do end up getting will hopefully last me for a long time (or at least longer then the 1yr I got out of my Mogul).
Perhaps I should start by looking at why my current phone just doesn't do it for me anymore?
1) No wireless - Ever since I flashed it to 6.5 I have had no wifi.
2) No 3.5mm plug - The HTC proprieity adapter hardly works half the time either.
3) OS - 6.5 WiMo flashed is pretty unstable, I regularly have to reset the device because it locks up or just won't work.
4) QVGA - probably the best I can afford, but I do a lot of reading on this and a higher res would be better for my eyes.
5) CDMA - I really need a quadband simcard capable phone.
So what do I want?
1) Wifi, bluetooth, GPS
2) 2mp camera or better
3) 6.5 Wimo native, preferably with duel boot capibility
4) 3.5 or 2.5mm audio output, or HTCusb that actually works!
5) Keyboard if possible (I really like the qwerty thumboard on my Mogul)
6) WVGA or VGA would be nice, but it might be out of my price point.
7) GSM QUADBAND!
Any reccomendations of models would be nice, thankyou

Go for Rhodium!
Definitely the best hardware device out there
If want to spent less money you can try Rapahel or even less (if you find someone who want to sell) Universal

Thanks for the recc, I will check those two out

I agree with ORB you should go for a Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .

DannyFenton said:
I agree with ORB you should go for a
Rapahel because it has so many roms to flash and it is cheap compared to the latest devices .
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Hmm, looking at ebay, the Rhod looks like its about $100 more then the Raph
or $300 for the Touch2 and $210 for the Raph.
At those prices it seems like it would be better just to pay the difference?
Also no one will ship to New Zealand

Yes on that case better go for Rhodium
I have seen ebay sellers who ships to almost any part of the world.
Also have a look on marketplace section, you can find very good deals
Good luck,

UPDATE: I bought myself a HTC Rhodium, very happy with it.
Now, I want to buy my GF a new phone for her birthday. Currenty she is using my ****ty old Blue Angel with WiMo 6.1
She uses the phone everyday (carries it around in her bag), but the only thing she does on it is read. She sometimes sends text messages, but usually not. She hasn't really used any of its other features or installed her own programs or anything (she is a programmer, so she does have the skills to do so).
At the moment I'm tossing up between a HTC Diamond, Diamond 2, Touch HD and another Rhodium. I'm leaning more toward the Diamond1 though. We generally try to avoid spending lots and she's more then happy with the PDA2k so even the diamond is a big upgrade and isn't too expensive.
I use my Rhodium to read alot of comics, but at 480x640 the screen should be highres enough to be an improvement. The other reason I'm leaning toward the Diamond is because of it's small size, and easier for her to carry around.
So, my question: Is there anything wrong with the Diamond that I should consider, and are there any other devices with VGA or better resolution in a similar price range that I should take a look?
Also what is the difference between the Touch Pro and the Diamond (besides the keyboard)?

If you need keyboard go for Raphael, if you don´t need it go for Diamond 2, I buyed one in marketplace for 180US a few months ago.
Or take another Rhodium

Why the recommendations for Rapheal? I am ready to put mine through a wall. The keyboard has gone flaky in the last three months...(delete requires holding down, not just press, P has started to not work, space now triple spaces)
In addition the screen started to separate over the 'x' button about two months back, now I hve that leaky black spot you get when screens break. The control pad at bottom has started to have the plastic cover start to come up.
In the last month the phone has decided to start dropping calls and even losing towers completely. (I have not changed anything on phone in over 6 months) I have rebooted the phone at least 10 times in last three weeks because of screen starting lock up, non-responsive push buttons, and complete lost of tower without attempting to reaquire.
This phone is going tits-up recently and I have had it locked to Edge forever because it will not hold a 3G signal in a very large city.
Not a recommend from me.

Thanks for the reccomendatiom - and the non recccomendation ^_^;

(silly extra text because my message was too short)

Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.

I have a moderately worn Tmo Touch Pro 2 I'm selling off on ebay later today. Only doing a 3 day auction starting at $0.99. If interested I'll post a link. Pics are great of the scratches so you can probably grab it for $125-$150.

a link sounds good

Willuknight said:
Ok, at this stage I am leaning toward the HTC Touch. The touch is fatter, but it looks like it has a lot more memory which has surely got to result in a better user experiance. It's about the same price as a diamond as well - I just have to find someone on here to sell a raphael to me.
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Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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Willuknight said:
a link sounds good
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200489715435&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

ScandaLeX said:
Oh how I remember my HTC Touch days. That phone & the Mogul were a nightmare for many of us & we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.
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What where the main issues you had with it?
I've just upgraded from my mogul to the touch2, and the main issue I had with the mogul was the low res and slow processor compared to the touch 2, but overall it was a good phone.

NEED ANDROID PHONE WITH Qwerty keyboard
I'm looking for a new phone to replace my aging G1 but I dont want to give up the real keyboard. The mytouch slide is nice but it's hardware isn't on par with nexus one or htc incredible. The new Samsung Galaxy S Pro with sprint seems promising but not so sure about community support. I love how with my G1 I have so many options, so many great ROMs from Cyanogen and others on XDA. I'm worried that If I go with a samsung I will have better hardware but very few choices when it comes to moded roms. Is there an alternative phone out there with hardware on par with the latest HTC phones that have a slide out keyboard. Any one care to offer thier opinions??

whats your budget?
android or wimo?