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Well guys,
It's been a long time since I realized my Nexus ONE was draining a lot of battery.
After some testing I figured out one of the most probable causes for that, Autosync.
So I started creating a proof of concept app in order to run autosync at a specified custom time.
On the other hand, I read some users in this forum talk about the possibility to monitor Signal Strength and disable APN if under a given threshold... so I did it (and added Autosync control on low signal too).
It is very useful when you work all day in low signal areas (as me).
Remember.. this is just a proof of concept... may fail a lot or never!
Search for it in the market!
Enjoy
IMPORTANT: Dont kill the app! Exclude it from memory savers (automatic tasks killer). And dont worry about memory or CPU use, it is negligible.
Update 23/08/2010
New Version 0.2. Hope you like it
You have to unistall the previous one (if not it won't install) because I lost my previous certificate . Sorry!!!
Go to:
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Interesting...will be testing
What a great idea!
But does this app use a lot of battery monitoring the signal strength and adjusting for this?
will this work on other phones too or just nexus at this time?
First testing i was able to change settings but it seems to fc on me. Using htc hero cdma on darchdroid.
Jon.StatiK said:
First testing i was able to change settings but it seems to fc on me. Using htc hero cdma on darchdroid.
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It works perfectly on HTC Hero GSM in Spain with the android 2.1.
So I don't know... I don't have an American Hero.
It should work on every android 2.1 and 2.2 phone...
Markdental said:
What a great idea!
But does this app use a lot of battery monitoring the signal strength and adjusting for this?
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Dont worry for CPU(battery) drain.
When using Scheduled Autosync it just uses a few miliseconds of CPU for each Loop.
And for the Signal Strength monitoring, it checks it every 10 minutes and only uses (again) a few miliseconds.
If you have Spare Parts, you can check it yourself!
Wow! I instantly noticed a difference in drain even when monitoring it with adb. I'm impressed. What are you guys settings looking like? I am not sure how I should set it up. If I set the sync on for every 25 minutes, does that mean my phone will ONLY auto sync every 25 minutes? This app is long overdue! Thanks!
on my nexus if I leave the app and click on it again on the drawer, the app resets everything (settings, logs)
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Wow! I instantly noticed a difference in drain even when monitoring it with adb. I'm impressed. What are you guys settings looking like? I am not sure how I should set it up. If I set the sync on for every 25 minutes, does that mean my phone will ONLY auto sync every 25 minutes? This app is long overdue! Thanks!
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Yeah, would love to hear some other users' settings that are working for them.
Like maybe the cutoff for the signal strength level.
also, am I suppose to leave sync off?
congratulations for your job. anyway i have an issue with my nexus one. the app semms to work for about 5sec then all the settings are reseting and apn and sync are switching on even if my signal is below my previous settings. do you have any idea?
thank you.
spyinzedark.
Woo! I'm glad my thread on turning off data when signal is low actually made it into something! I'll try this out soon...
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Yeah, would love to hear some other users' settings that are working for them.
Like maybe the cutoff for the signal strength level.
also, am I suppose to leave sync off?
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I would also like to know if I should be leaving androids built in auto sync off or leave it on? So far, I have been getting great battery with this set to
Sync options:
30min off
2 min on
Signal options:
-104dBm
-104dBm
I can't wait to see where this is going!
I also can't get my settings to save.. just resets after I exit the app.
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I also can't get my settings to save.. just resets after I exit the app.
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Why are you reseting the app?
I mean, the app is meant to be always alive.
You should never kill it and exclude it from any memory saver task killer that you have. Otherwise it cannot work!!
Dont worry about leaving it alive as it only uses a very very small time of CPU.
Sooo... Dont Kill it!!
Just let me know your results
I am currently using:
- Autosync due to Timer 1h - 3m
- APN off if Signal less than -90dBm
It works nice!
Anyone think this would conflict badly with juicedefender?
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Anyone think this would conflict badly with juicedefender?
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I'm not using JuiceDefender anymore because it just seems to mess too many things up. That's just my experience though.
wjax said:
I am currently using:
- Autosync due to Timer 1h - 3m
- APN off if Signal less than -90dBm
It works nice!
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Should we be leaving the regular autosync on or off?
*Disclaimer* This is all from a personal experience and testing/research from a long time android user, what I have discovered over time and has helped me and some friends. This will work whether your rooted OR not. I kept it as basic as I can so everyone can benefit. If you dont like what you read and disagree, or want to add something PM me, Ill change/add and give credit to you. Hopefully, this can grow with the community.
*Rooted Section Will be Added*
*When I charge my battery I usually drain it all the way down or as much as i can (around 20% left) then charge plugged in till green, then power down and charge for another hour or so. Not sure if this matters or not but seems to help me out try it!*
This guide will help you if your rooted or non-rooted, all the apps I talk about I honestly have no ties to the devs. I don't use any SUPER AWESOME AMAZING BATTERY SAVER 5000 apps or anything like that. Those mostly just turn ur radios off and on and kill apps in the background. In my experience a lot of them cause syncing issues with my e-mail and other notifications. I like to receive my information instantly not have an app waiting for me to turn my screen on to check for updates.
About my personal setup: Basically, I want my phone to last me all day but still perform well with a heavy use, WITHOUT needing to constantly change settings to save battery. With what I have here Im able to keep my Sensation running for a full day of moderate-heavy use (7:30am to around 10pm) with its STOCK battery (Did damn well on my Evo 4G too). Days of very minor use Ive gone into the second day with 60% + battery. Yes, I use all my home screens and have a good amount of widgets, I love sense and its widgets. I play games, surf the web, do a lot of texting, listen to a lot of music, decent amount of fbing and email, usually take a few pictures a day. Half my day is wifi/other is mobile data.
Here goes the real basics, mostly common sense here not trying to insult anyone. Feel free to browse thru it quick (green text) if your not totally new to the android scene, whats after it will be a good read for noobs and vets.
*I use the power control widget, make getting to a lot of settings quicker. Why waste battery digging thru menus?*
Basics:
-Screen brightness: (duh ) these pretty screens eat battery brighter=quicker drain naturally and from my experience leaving it on Auto Brightness kills more battery too. Each time your phone pulls information from the sensor to decide on how bright it should adjust itself too.
-GPS: If GPS is on it should not effect battery unless an app is using it and you see the GPS icon on your notification bar. I noticed a very slight increase in mA discharge when i had it enabled, to be safe leave it off if you dont use it extremely frequently.
Location thru mobile networks: Not to hard on battery. I leave mine on it does add drain but it takes away from my weather widgets updating when Im traveling.
-Bluetooth: Moderate battery drain. I honestly don't use it at all myself but if you do try your best to keep it off when not in use.
-Wifi: Android has gotten a lot better at managing wifi over the past few years. It doesn't drain that bad on battery and it shuts off/on periodically on its own when screen is off depending on whats using it.
Google Back-Up: Takes a little juice here and there no biggie. I dont use it just because I like to fresh install my apps when I try a new rom, run into less problems that way.
2G/3G/4G: This varies phone to phone, the slower speed the better battery life. If you know your not going to be using 4G for a while turn it off. I leave mine on 4G or wifi all day with my sensation. When I had Sprint and my Evo I would leave it off most of the time. Depending on your carrier and how their data works this is a big one. T-Mobile seems to handle well, Sprint and Verizon's 4G Ive seen eat an insane amount of battery.
Sync/Background Data: I lumped them together because sync is pretty much reliant on background data. These kill a lot of your battery in general. It syncs your apps (email, facebook, google data, contacts, etc.), the periodic checks your apps do to check for and download new emails and notifications, using background data (data still transmits when screens off). I always leave these on and still manage great battery life, I like things instant if I wanted to wait Id just wait till i got in front of a PC. Sync and Background data are the settings most battery saving apps control because they really can help your battery if you turn it off. You can control what core apps sync in settings>accounts and sync. Or the power widget that 95% of android phones have has it on there. I recommend minimizing the amount of apps you allow background data with, example: WeatherBug first launch it asks if it can automatically update itself in the background for apps were thats not necessary hit no.
Radio/Airplane Mode: Pretty self explanatory, turns off your connection to your wireless provider. No point in ever turning it off in my eyes, your phones no longer a phone.
What has really helped me with my battery life (non-basics):
There is a lot to be said when it comes down to 2.2+ android phones and whether they need a task killer anymore or not. Since Ive had a lot of android phones and a few now that are 2.2+ Ive done a lot of testing. I usually go about a 2 weeks on one idea or new task killer and keep a close eye on battery drainage using Battery Monitor Widget, free app in the market. It tells you exactly how much of your battery is being drained without killing battery itself. Each phone/rom settles at a different average mA lower the better. In my experience if I can keep my phone anywhere under 100mA when idle im doing good. This held true on both the Evo 4G and my Sensation. Some ASOP roms i could get down to the 30's but for sense under 100mA is good. Keep in mind you will get the occasionally spike here and there its just android and/or apps in the background. You can view the a chart of the battery data in Battery Monitor.
Instead of boring you guys with each task killer Ive used and its results, Ill just get down to what I found out in the end.
Basically, the way android 2.2+ works it really isn't necessary to run a task killer it does a decent job removing apps from memory when you need more memory. But at the same time I found running a task killer periodically (BUT not killing frequently used apps) results in a lower average mA drain leading to overall better battery life.
The best application I have used has to go Automatic Task Killer , trust me Ive used a lot from the top free ones to a few of the more popular paid ones. What this task killer does is kill a selection of apps you allow it too every time your phones screen shuts off and goes idle. On Automatic Task Killer's first boot your shown a screen of every application that could at some point run in the background on your phone. This part sucks a little bit but it is worth it, you need to select which of the apps you want to allow it to kill automatically. It does not kill foreground apps the ones you currently have open on the screen aka a browser or a game. Example your playing NFS: Shift and your boss walks by so you quickly pause and hit the power button turning off the screen, next time you turn the screen on it will kill all other allowed background apps but your game will still be up front and center.
Now the trick is to go thru and set it to kill apps you know your phone won't automatically just restart or you don't use 90% of the time. So don't select things like Dialer, Contacts, Clock, Calendar, Messages or apps you constantly use/check such as a third party SMS app or your main E-Mail Client or third party keyboards (various by person and what you use most). Letting the app automatically kill those is just going to lead to worse battery life because your phone will just restart it each time leading to more CPU cycles (not what you want and part of the reason some consider task killers bad things).
Also, when using any task killer and killing the proper apps sense runs smoother, a big deal with sense 3.0.
So hopefully with a little messing around you can get a good setup where your phone lasts you all day without having to constantly keep changing settings and watching your battery life. All while everything stays syncing and instant. Hope this helps!
*ROOT Section (now that we have s-off )
Everything posted above can be done on any rom, rooted or none. There has been a lot of posts on "freezing apps" that you dont need or typically use, which does in fact really help battery life. Since, we (by we i mean sensation users) now have a permanent root this is my tiny second part of the guide for rooted devices.
I dont freeze my apps I prefer them to be gone for good if its something I dont see myself using or its bloat that came with my phone/rom. Since 98% of us will be using custom roms now this usually isnt an issue since most dev's r good at what they do and remove all the bs we dont need or normally use. Still there is some apps we may not want on our phones so for that I use SystemApp Remover . Its a great App for people who dont want to have to worry about going in manually and getting rid of system apps.
Its just basically an Uninstaller that allows you to access any and every app on the phone for you to uninstall (thats y roots needed). For me I just go in an drop the apps I know i wont use. A lot of roms come with carrier add-ons and such, those I normally delete as well as a few HTC sense widgets and apps I see no need for. It will free up space and increase your phones battery life with most things you delete.
Now, be careful. You are prompted upon opening SystemApp Remover that messing in system apps is dangerous and it is. If your not sure what something is DONT touch it, simply do a google search or ask around to see if its safe to remove first.
Re-calibrate Battery: After you flash a new rom or start using a new battery, you should use your recovery (CWM or other) to Wipe Battery Stats. Before you do this make sure your battery is at 100% and has been on the charger for over an hour with the fully charged green led on. This will allow your device to better drain your battery and can really help battery life.
So hopefully with a little messing around you can get a good setup where your phone lasts you all day without having to constantly keep changing settings and watching your battery life. All while everything stays syncing and instant. Hope this helps!
Thanks to people who have contributed:
-JadeSoturi
thanks for sharing the experience
i'm trying Automatic Task Killer
devine might said:
thanks for sharing the experience
i'm trying Automatic Task Killer
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no problem. let me kno how it goes for you
very good info! would also help if you specify which versions of android.....
Thanks for the info, hope it will increase my battery life to last a day
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very good info! would also help if you specify which versions of android.....
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im on my sensation so 2.3.3. Been getting a lot of hate on the sensation forums since task killers are officially deemed no longer needed, but this method really helps me with battery life hoping itd help some of u too
Watchdog> then any task killer
ADR6300
Hmm, ill try auto task killer as well, tried a few others.
I use JuiceDefender, I like it. It manages my connectivity pretty well and it does help.
This is excellent, many thanks. As a converted WM 6.5 user I have to say, I am enjoying android considerably more and I prefer it to the Metro interface of WP7. It's nice to know the little tricks to get the most out of it. Thanks again. ^_^
DarkSwanKnight said:
I use JuiceDefender, I like it. It manages my connectivity pretty well and it does help.
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same here, JD works pretty good
TastyTorge said:
same here, JD works pretty good
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Worth getting the full one or will the free version do?
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Thanks for the info, and for sharing, i will try the different methods
i havent really bothered with task killers but ive found reducing the brightness and disabling data and sync makes my battery last alot longer. i just re enable when i need them.
also, i downloaded setcpu and added a profile for while the screen is off. that helps alot. the drain is about 5% with the screen off after every 3 or 4 hours.
Very good info thanks
You had me impressed until you mentioned task killers. Absolutely horrible...
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Worth getting the full one or will the free version do?
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Full version is much better.
It's killer app indeed. I think many of it's features should be natively included in android.
Options like "Turn off 3G/EDGE when connected to Wi-Fi", "Turn off all radios when screen is off", "Turn off Wi-Fi after x minutes if it doesn't connect to a network", "Set screen brightess to minimal when battery is low", etc....it wouldn't be that hard to implement and battery life, perhaps most criticized aspect of Android, would improve immensely.
fpu
floating_point_unit said:
Full version is much better.
It's killer app indeed. I think many of it's features should be natively included in android.
Options like "Turn off 3G/EDGE when connected to Wi-Fi", "Turn off all radios when screen is off", "Turn off Wi-Fi after x minutes if it doesn't connect to a network", "Set screen brightess to minimal when battery is low", etc....it wouldn't be that hard to implement and battery life, perhaps most criticized aspect of Android, would improve immensely.
fpu
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Your mobile network DOES turn off when connected to wifi, and if all radios turned off when the screen went off, how would you ever get calls or emails with the phone in your pocket? The wifi after x minutes would be a nice feature, but I don't like things touching my screen brightness.
Thank you for your information.
As soon as I got my phone and set it up, I disabled all the AT&T bloatware in addition to google+, twitter, ypmobile, etc. Phone was always running great, but I kept wondering why I could never get over 3 hours screen time.
Fast forward to this morning....I re-enabled every app that I have disabled, and now I'm sitting at 3 hours screen time with 35% battery left. Didn't change anything else.
So I'm not sure why disabling apps caused a huge battery drain (I thought it would help with battery), but it did for me.
Might be something to check out if you are having battery issues.
Weird. Mine last longer. Check your auto-sync settings?
johnl199 said:
As soon as I got my phone and set it up, I disabled all the AT&T bloatware in addition to google+, twitter, ypmobile, etc. Phone was always running great, but I kept wondering why I could never get over 3 hours screen time.
Fast forward to this morning....I re-enabled every app that I have disabled, and now I'm sitting at 3 hours screen time with 35% battery left. Didn't change anything else.
So I'm not sure why disabling apps caused a huge battery drain (I thought it would help with battery), but it did for me.
Might be something to check out if you are having battery issues.
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You said as soon as you got your phone set up you did this. That brings a few things to mind:
1) It sounds like it was your first or second battery charge. You need to fully charge/discharge a couple times before the battery's properly configured and you'll experience the device's full battery life.
2) Being that you just set it up, auto-sync would be working overtime for the first-time sync. You know, pulling in all your contacts, emails, calendar events, facebook everything, and so on, causing a higher-than-normal strain on the radio (either wifi or LTE, doesn't matter) and CPU.
Now that your battery's calibrated and your first-time sync is done with, give'er a full charge, disable the same apps again, and let us know how that goes.
truciet said:
Weird. Mine last longer. Check your auto-sync settings?
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I've checked everything. Everything was OK, so I decided to re-enable the apps to see what would happen and now my battery life is where it should be.
Maybe I disabled an app that needs to be enabled or something. I don't feel like figuring out which one it is, so I just enabled all of them.
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I've checked everything. Everything was OK, so I decided to re-enable the apps to see what would happen and now my battery life is where it should be.
Maybe I disabled an app that needs to be enabled or something. I don't feel like figuring out which one it is, so I just enabled all of them.
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Do you work for ATT and just want us to turn the Bloat back on
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You said as soon as you got your phone set up you did this. That brings a few things to mind:
1) It sounds like it was your first or second battery charge. You need to fully charge/discharge a couple times before the battery's properly configured and you'll experience the device's full battery life.
2) Being that you just set it up, auto-sync would be working overtime for the first-time sync. You know, pulling in all your contacts, emails, calendar events, facebook everything, and so on, causing a higher-than-normal strain on the radio (either wifi or LTE, doesn't matter) and CPU.
Now that your battery's calibrated and your first-time sync is done with, give'er a full charge, disable the same apps again, and let us know how that goes.
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I mean when I first set up the phone I disabled the apps. I've been using the phone for a few days with the apps disabled, so I just re-enabled them this morning.
This seems counter-intuitive. Until a few more people report similar situations I'm reluctant to believe that it was one of the apps being enabled/disabled that caused and fixed the problem.
I personally disabled all the bloatware that was possible and I've had phenomenal battery life. Sounds like your phone just needs to go through those first couple charge cycles to get the battery going properly.
yeah mate, have to agree with the guys above. i disabled all the ATT crapware and haven't had any problems. sounds like you've got a wake lock somewhere. download CPU Spy from the market and search the forums for Better Battery Stats to find the culprit
I've got quite a few things disabled and I hit 34 hours on a single charge earlier today. Sadly I had to reboot so the uptime chart only shows 24 hours.
After seeing this I've re-enabled all of the HTC bloatware (facebook, twitter, etc.). I have a feeling that my crappy battery life may have something to do with HTC's Sense software somehow trying to interact (with their widgets and whatnot) with my disabled apps. If that doesn't change anything, I'll try to enable AT&T's bloatware too and see if that makes a difference.
ROM: CM9 latest nightly
Kernel: CM9's own
Radio: T-Mobile's UVLC8 (yes, I'm on T-Mobile)
Brightness: Auto (shown in screenshot)
Synced Gmail accounts: 3
Accounts in Email app: 0
My battery drops 20% in 42 minutes, which means it will be depleted in 3.5 hours. And this is mostly due to the screen. Why? I use the phone moderately and ALWAYS press the Power button to turn the screen off whenever I'm done replying to a text or doing anything with it.
Any suggestions?
Well judging from your notification bar you have bluetooth, WiFi, fb sync all on and you aren't even connected to a WiFi network or Bluetooth device. Try turning those off when they are not needed. Also go into the Facebook app and go to settings and change you sync time to a little longer than an hour (if you can stand it). Try that for now and see what happens
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Some info on screen on time would help, 3.5hrs screen on time is barely below average. I would expect that if FB is always syncing and blue tooth.
Also I would verify you don't have a wake lock going from charging. You can check with CPU Spy, better battery stats, as well as some others. Cpu spy is likely the easiest way.
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Every once in a while I'll get a flash that does this, the battery just seems to be losing its will to live. I don't understand it myself but I restore my last nandroid backup, and then flash again. After that all goes back to normal.
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Well judging from your notification bar you have bluetooth, WiFi, fb sync all on and you aren't even connected to a WiFi network or Bluetooth device. Try turning those off when they are not needed. Also go into the Facebook app and go to settings and change you sync time to a little longer than an hour (if you can stand it). Try that for now and see what happens
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I always keep WiFi and Bluetooth on. I thought neither one of those really used a lot of power unless actually connected. I use BT only in my car and WiFi only at home (evenings). My FB refresh interval is set to 1h. I hardly think this is draining my battery.
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Some info on screen on time would help, 3.5hrs screen on time is barely below average. I would expect that if FB is always syncing and blue tooth.
Also I would verify you don't have a wake lock going from charging. You can check with CPU Spy, better battery stats, as well as some others. Cpu spy is likely the easiest way.
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Better Battery Stats wasn't free, so I installed CPU Spy and Battery Spy, I am letting the phone charge to 100% and then, I'm going to unplug it and report after about 30 minutes.
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Every once in a while I'll get a flash that does this, the battery just seems to be losing its will to live. I don't understand it myself but I restore my last nandroid backup, and then flash again. After that all goes back to normal.
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I will flash last night's CM9 nightly and see if I notice a difference.
Thank you all!
Razor1973 said:
I always keep WiFi and Bluetooth on. I thought neither one of those really used a lot of power unless actually connected. I use BT only in my car and WiFi only at home (evenings). My FB refresh interval is set to 1h. I hardly think this is draining my battery.
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Might want to think of picking up some NFC tags and setting profiles so stuff like Bluetooth will automatically turn on when in your car, and off when you leave. And BT and Wifi do drain power when not connected because they are searching for connections.
Better Battery Stats wasn't free, so I installed CPU Spy and Battery Spy, I am letting the phone charge to 100% and then, I'm going to unplug it and report after about 30 minutes.
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It's free to XDA members: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
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Might want to think of picking up some NFC tags and setting profiles so stuff like Bluetooth will automatically turn on when in your car, and off when you leave. And BT and Wifi do drain power when not connected because they are searching for connections.
It's free to XDA members: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
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But wouldn't WiFi and Bluetooth show in the battery usage screen with a high percentage? They would show by themselves or under radio and those aren't high at all. It's all on the screen. That's the problem, it seems. And what I explained earlier is that I don't use it much. I will get a text message, I'll reply and automatically turn the screen off before I set the phone down. I never forget this. I'm actually anal about it. LOL
I just installed Better Battery Stats (thanks for the tip!!!) and will test with all 3 apps as soon as I unplug my phone to go to lunch. I haven't been able to do this yet. Crazy day here at work.
Thanks again.
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But wouldn't WiFi and Bluetooth show in the battery usage screen with a high percentage? They would show by themselves or under radio and those aren't high at all. It's all on the screen. That's the problem, it seems. And what I explained earlier is that I don't use it much. I will get a text message, I'll reply and automatically turn the screen off before I set the phone down. I never forget this. I'm actually anal about it. LOL
I just installed Better Battery Stats (thanks for the tip!!!) and will test with all 3 apps as soon as I unplug my phone to go to lunch. I haven't been able to do this yet. Crazy day here at work.
Thanks again.
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that's covered under android system I believe. Most important, it causes wake locks that keeps your phone from deep sleeping.
Flash Instigators Kernel with Smartass/Badass scripts (not a joke....)
It will help you tremendously. You must reflash with every nightly update you do.
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OK, so 4.5 hours and battery discharged 38%. I guess that's not terrible, but my screen was only on for 26 minutes of that time and the phone is reporting 55% of the battery drain came from screen use. I feel battery life could be a lot better just because of this.
What else do these screenshots tell you guys?
I noticed KIK Messenger and MailDroid there. They both sync a lot. I do have a couple of IMAP accounts on MailDroid that I forgot to mention in my OP. But, still, I go back to the fact that most of the drain comes from the screen. These aren't related.
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Flash Instigators Kernel with Smartass/Badass scripts (not a joke....)
It will help you tremendously. You must reflash with every nightly update you do.
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Oh, true!!! I flashed InstigatorX's kernel when I first started flashing the nightlies, but, since I flash them every 2-3 days, I completely forgot to reflash the kernel. OK, it's more like I didn't know it was getting overwritten and I had to reflash it. Thanks for the reminder!!! By the way, do you go with stable (4.0b) or the latest experimental (5.3.2)? Also, do you just flash the kernel? What are those scripts and what do you do with them? I did not understand his instructions. Maybe I should be asking there, but since I already have you here... LOL
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OK, so 4.5 hours and battery discharged 38%. I guess that's not terrible, but my screen was only on for 26 minutes of that time and the phone is reporting 55% of the battery drain came from screen use. I feel battery life could be a lot better just because of this.
What else do these screenshots tell you guys?
I noticed KIK Messenger and MailDroid there. They both sync a lot. I do have a couple of IMAP accounts on MailDroid that I forgot to mention in my OP. But, still, I go back to the fact that most of the drain comes from the screen. These aren't related.
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For one, turn your screen brightness down. I use auto-brightness and never have a problem seeing it, and my battery drain is ok that way.
Two, you've got the AudioOut_1 wakelock. Turn off system sounds in the settings menu (keytones, touch sound, screen lock sound, vibrate on screen tap) and that will take care of that.
Any type of instant messenger service (Skype is well-known for doing this) will wakelock your phone while it searches for IMs. No way around it other than an uninstall. You can't control IMAP pushing, but you can control folder polling, which eats up a lot of battery. I'd set your MailDroid accounts to not poll folders automatically more than once a day.
And definitely turn Bluetooth off when you're not actively connected to something. You might as well be using your phone as a flashlight with how much power BT burns through.
I am currently on RC2. I went to the 21/22 nightly but was not liking how it was behaving so I went with the RC for now.
In INSTIGATORS forum you will see in the links to the kernel one that says <-------- works with RC2.
I used that one and I am happy. Sure you could do the newer ones but I am happy where I am at currently.
Just boot into recovery and install from zip.
(Assume u download the zip on your phone....)
Its easy as pie!
You can play with the settings if you want but the default settings work pretty freaking good!
I would for sure recommend going to that forum as Instigator himself can answer ALL your questions in depth.... I am merely a messenger and user of his kernel.... wish they would just merge it into the cm9....
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T.J. Bender said:
For one, turn your screen brightness down. I use auto-brightness and never have a problem seeing it, and my battery drain is ok that way.
Two, you've got the AudioOut_1 wakelock. Turn off system sounds in the settings menu (keytones, touch sound, screen lock sound, vibrate on screen tap) and that will take care of that.
Any type of instant messenger service (Skype is well-known for doing this) will wakelock your phone while it searches for IMs. No way around it other than an uninstall. You can't control IMAP pushing, but you can control folder polling, which eats up a lot of battery. I'd set your MailDroid accounts to not poll folders automatically more than once a day.
And definitely turn Bluetooth off when you're not actively connected to something. You might as well be using your phone as a flashlight with how much power BT burns through.
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Screen brightness: I use auto as well. It's in one of my first screenshots in this thread.
AudioOut_1 wakelock: Done. Thanks. I'm going to miss the touch and screen lock sounds. LOL I left dial pad touch tones and volume rocker music controls in that same secton checked, by the way.
MailDroid: I went through all the settings, both general and for the e-mail accounts and couldn't find a place to specify folder polling interval. Do you have it installed? If so, could you tell me exactly where to find this please?
Bluetooth: I'll try my best to turn it on only when I needed. I could also follow dakpluto's suggestion with the NFC tags. But then, I'd have to leave NFC on. Doesn't that drain battery too?
And you see, although all of these will help, don't you agree based on my screenshots that the biggest offender here is the screen and this is the area I should really be looking at?
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I am currently on RC2. I went to the 21/22 nightly but was not liking how it was behaving so I went with the RC for now.
In INSTIGATORS forum you will see in the links to the kernel one that says <-------- works with RC2.
I used that one and I am happy. Sure you could do the newer ones but I am happy where I am at currently.
Just boot into recovery and install from zip.
(Assume u download the zip on your phone....)
Its easy as pie!
You can play with the settings if you want but the default settings work pretty freaking good!
I would for sure recommend going to that forum as Instigator himself can answer ALL your questions in depth.... I am merely a messenger and user of his kernel.... wish they would just merge it into the cm9....
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Here's what I just did:
1) Installed latest (7/23) CM9 nightly.
2) Installed InstigatorX's 5.3.2 experimental kernel using CWM.
3) Installed InstigatorX's BadAss script using CWM on top of the kernel (I guess that's how you do it).
I will see how my battery behaves. It'll be difficult to know which of the many things I did is the one that yielded the biggest improvement, however. Oh well.
Thank you all!
I'm testing aokp w/ stock kernel ondemand 192/1512 and it actually is working decently for me so far. Streamed like 1 1/2 hr of video last night and 2hr of Pandora today at the gym. :good:
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You see? Why can't I get HALF of that?
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... do you go with stable (4.0b) or the latest experimental (5.3.2)? Also, do you just flash the kernel? What are those scripts and what do you do with them? I did not understand his instructions. Maybe I should be asking there, but since I already have you here... LOL
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That's what I'm trying to figure out:
Which version (e.g. 4.0b or latest)?
Which script(s)?
Anything else?
(There's tons of information in these forums, but finding it buried deep in threads is like looking for a needle in a haystack.)
From the looks of that screen shot. The phone is barely being used, see how the blue isn't solid for most of the running time?
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From the looks of that screen shot. The phone is barely being used, see how the blue isn't solid for most of the running time?
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Yep I have power saving stuff such as turn off wifi when idle, I dont have GPS on 24/7 and I dont have wakelocks, I also set mine to use 3G/4G rather than LTE. If it was a solid blue that means something will be constantly on draining the battery.
I'm testing aokp w/ stock kernel ondemand 192/1512 and it actually is working decently for me so far. Streamed like 1 1/2 hr of video last night and 2hr of Pandora today at the gym.
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Those are the two lines from the front and the end. The blanks are deep sleep over night. Remember I said "testing aokp" "stock kernel"
If you want my "light" use then here it is lol.
Trinition said:
That's what I'm trying to figure out:
Which version (e.g. 4.0b or latest)?
Which script(s)?
Anything else?
(There's tons of information in these forums, but finding it buried deep in threads is like looking for a needle in a haystack.)
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For performance I prefer smartassv2 for power saving I would go for badass governor. With badass it doesn't jump clocks to max but goes by phases thus not aggressive and doesn't eat a lot. Test them out read the change log to see if changes pertain to you :good:
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First off, I love the phone and I'll keep it, but ever since I got the phone I've been wondering why it's draining so much in standby. It's my first Samsung phone since 2011, so naturally I assume it's Samsung apps/services that drain? Especially since I don't use any new apps than on my other phones and in the battery stats it doesn't really show any user apps that use a lot.
Anyone has way to measure what system/user apps drain during standby? Or even better, any dev that could do a deeper dive into this?
For example, I just lost 32% battery while sleeping for about 8h, it has never been this much on any other of my previous phones (OnePlus Nord/Pixel 3a/Pixel 3/Pixel 2).
In fact, my OnePlus Nord with 815mAh more than the Flip3 is currently on last charge 3 days ago (it doesn't show me hours anymore) and 2h35m SOT and 25% battery left. On the Flip I just now got 17h with 1h30m SOT and 5% left. Settings all similar besides location accuracy turned off for the Flip as that was a massive drain.
Something must be unintentionally draining the battery during standby and I really hope one of you smart guys can find it. Or Samsung fixes it with an update..
I disabled AOD and any unnecessary account sync processes. It's only drained about 2% in standby the last 5 hours, but there are still some things to finish configuring.
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I disabled AOD and any unnecessary account sync processes. It's only drained about 2% in standby the last 5 hours, but there are still some things to finish configuring.
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If have AOD on a schedule so it's turned off during sleeping, account syncing I don't have anything that I can turn off and I never did on any previous phone
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If have AOD on a schedule so it's turned off during sleeping, account syncing I don't have anything that I can turn off and I never did on any previous phone
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How old is your device? You got to give it some time to settle. I had 15% battery drain the first night, after that it went down to 5%.
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If have AOD on a schedule so it's turned off during sleeping, account syncing I don't have anything that I can turn off and I never did on any previous phone
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The first step in improving the battery is to remember that this isn't any other phone. You may want to explore what options are available and what all you have enabled. By default, almost everything is on to show off all the cool new features that make this a Flip 3, not a OnePlus Nord.
ione2380 said:
How old is your device? You got to give it some time to settle. I had 15% battery drain the first night, after that it went down to 5%.
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Got it 4 days ago
twistedumbrella said:
The first step in improving the battery is to remember that this isn't any other phone. You may want to explore what options are available and what all you have enabled. By default, almost everything is on to show off all the cool new features that make this a Flip 3, not a OnePlus Nord.
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Which Flip features are in use during standby though? During standby it's just another phone
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Which Flip features are in use during standby though? During standby it's just another phone
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Not true. Samsung has a bunch of features still in use.
Settings -> Advanced features -> Motions and gestures has a whole collection of things that are still running when the screen is off (and most aren't useful to the Flip, but came from "another phone").
Settings -> Cover screen allows you to disable turning on the screen when notifications arrive, if that is not something you need.
Also, unless you are using the app to lower the refresh rate, you may be running a bit high when idle.
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Settings -> Advanced features -> Motions and gestures has a whole collection of things that are still running when the screen is off (and most aren't useful to the Flip, but came from "another phone").
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I've turned a few things off there, but a lot of them OnePlus has too + a few more, which I had all enabled
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Settings -> Cover screen allows you to disable turning on the screen when notifications arrive, if that is not something you need.
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I didn't really get any notification during last night, so I doubt this was the culprit
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Also, unless you are using the app to lower the refresh rate, you may be running a bit high when idle.
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Yes I'm using that app and have it set to 48-96Hz
Appreciate the help, I believe there must be something that's unintentionally draining and while I went through every single setting in the beginning, I'm still very new to OneUI (and also impressed how far it came from the TouchWiz ****show)
One thing I always forget is that a lot of those features are running services and polling when they're enabled. Even though I'm not touching the screen with the tap to wake enabled, it's constantly waiting for that tap when it's asleep. Any one isn't a big impact, but Samsung has so many "convenience" features that I end up wasting battery to never use.
The calibration period is also horrible. Android 11 is slow to calibrate the battery and Samsung is worse. You can get a good idea of what is draining battery by going to Settings -> Battery and device care -> Battery. That may help find out if it's a renegade app.
One thing Asus does that I wish Samsung would embrace is Auto-start management. Some apps aren't efficient at polling for notifications and more than once have been the cause of major drain.
Another one even Samsung admits to be a source of drain is the edge panels. If you don't use them, it's best to kill the entire feature.
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Even though I'm not touching the screen with the tap to wake enabled, it's constantly waiting for that tap when it's asleep. Any one isn't a big impact, but Samsung has so many "convenience" features that I end up wasting battery to never use.
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I just assumed it's not a big impact as OnePlus has those as well, for example draw a "V" on screen for flashlight or ">" to skip song besides the regular double tap to wake and it never appeared to be a battery issue for me before.
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You can get a good idea of what is draining battery by going to Settings -> Battery and device care -> Battery. That may help find out if it's a renegade app.
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Do I assume correctly that some system apps or similar are hidden there? I just did the calculations and the percentages only make up 43.6%. I attached a screenshot
M4-NOOB said:
I just assumed it's not a big impact as OnePlus has those as well, for example draw a "V" on screen for flashlight or ">" to skip song besides the regular double tap to wake and it never appeared to be a battery issue for me before.
Do I assume correctly that some system apps or similar are hidden there? I just did the calculations and the percentages only make up 43.6%. I attached a screenshot
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OnePlus also optimizes them better than brand new Samsung firmware. I had a lot of stuff enabled on the Note 20 Ultra that I won't be using for a month or two now.
Some apps are excluded, but it will let you know if it's something not included with the phone.
Another good idea is to uninstall, disable, or "adb uninstall" any bloat you don't use. Besides clearing up space in the app drawer, it kills off services you don't use. A lot of the apps will run services even before you sign in, even though they aren't actually handling any data.
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Another good idea is to uninstall, disable, or "adb uninstall" any bloat you don't use. Besides clearing up space in the app drawer, it kills off services you don't use. A lot of the apps will run services even before you sign in, even though they aren't actually handling any data.
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I already went through the list and uninstalled which I 100% knew what it was and that it's not needed, but not sure about 99% of Samsung stuff. Some Samsung apps on the phone I don't even know what they are and when I start them it just prompts to agree to some terms before starting the app... I'll have a look around for a Samsung debloat list
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I already went through the list and uninstalled which I 100% knew what it was and that it's not needed, but not sure about 99% of Samsung stuff. Some Samsung apps on the phone I don't even know what they are and when I start them it just prompts to agree to some terms before starting the app... I'll have a look around for a Samsung debloat list
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If you have the unlocked version, they allowed uninstall for a lot of apps that were previously locked. A lot can also be downloaded later from Google Play or the Galaxy Store if you change your mind.
I use Firefox, so I uninstall Samsung Internet and Chrome. Members and Health are two big ones that like to run those "please enable us" services. It's a lot of deciding what you might use versus what you can live without.
Another good idea is to add anything you won't use, but didn't remove to deep sleeping apps to kill it's ability to run in the background. It's the closest thing to auto start management without rooting.
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twistedumbrella said:
Another good idea is to add anything you won't use, but didn't remove to deep sleeping apps to kill it's ability to run in the background. It's the closest thing to auto start management without rooting.
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Yeah I do have 57 apps there already
I just removed 85 apps/services via adb, let's see how it is tonight and I'll report back tomorrow
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Yeah I do have 57 apps there already
I just removed 85 apps/services via adb, let's see how it is tonight and I'll report back tomorrow
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Thank you for taking the time, mine is also going down %30 overnight. would love to hear about your result.
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Thank you for taking the time, mine is also going down %30 overnight. would love to hear about your result.
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So far I don't have much hope sadly. Whole day currently at home and not using the phone much and it's looking like in the screenshot (screen off, loosing almost 2.7% per hour, as comparison my OnePlus is at 0.9% per hour)
https://imgur.com/RLITZwQ
It's 21:21 at the moment and I'm at 54% after 9h 42m (comparison OnePlus with 815mAh more: 7% after 79h with 2h54m SOT)
https://imgur.com/M9zO2hV
I'll probably head to bed in a few hours and then report back tomorrow morning how much I lost during the night..
I'm not claiming to have amazing battery life, since I almost considered keeping my trade-in and returning this one over it. I am interested why it is so bad for others, though.
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I'm not claiming to have amazing battery life, since I almost considered keeping my trade-in and returning this one over it. I am interested why it is so bad for others, though.
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HOLY **** I would love to have this battery life. I'm literally not doing anything with the phone and just loosing so much. I'm pretty much the opposite of a power user, so my phone is in standby most of the time and loosing so much is pretty frustrating.
EDIT: I might have an idea why it's so bad for me, I don't really have reception in my apartment (as you can see on my screenshots), so I assume it's constantly trying to get better receptions, I see 2 bars sometimes, but most of the time 0. I'll keep my phone at the window where I have reception for the rest of the day and see if it makes a difference. (Although the OnePlus has also bad reception, but does have a different carriers SIM card)
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Yeah I do have 57 apps there already
I just removed 85 apps/services via adb, let's see how it is tonight and I'll report back tomorrow
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Dependencies, dependencies, dependencies... some of those apks just sit there unless needed.
Do not disable apks/services unless you know what they do and what, if any, their dependencies are. Go too far and you'll end up in a boot loop.
What works for others probably isn't ideal for you.
Package Disabler is a better option as you easily toggle apks on/off as needed.
Screen off the serial offenders tend to be Google backup Transport, Framework and any cloud apps.
Try disabling Google play Services at night and see if that helps. You may need to disable Find my Device first as System Administrator if disable is greyed out.
Disabling play services also kills Gmaps and Playstore which are know hogs. Gmail as well to a lesser extent.
Google Firebase, do you need it? If not disable.
Carrier, Google, Samsung and app feedback, disable.
Using power management can cause erratic behavior and not solve the problem. Treat each power hog on a case by case basis instead. It takes a lot longer but yields a cleaner, more stable setup.
Play with it, go through -all- the settings. It's actually quit fun to explore and almost impossible to crash and burn.
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