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Is there an Apps Killer that won't actually KILL the apps you've told it not to?

Using ATM and even if I check an app to not be affected when it cycles to kill, it is still stopped when I use the auto-kill widget. For example, if I'm on a web page before I kill, I'm not there when I bring that browser back up after kill. My mail through Touchdown, also stops checking if I manually kill apps (even though it's included in the "do not kill" list). Is there a better Task Killer that will leave my apps alone if I tell it to?
Using autokill too but it gives significantly less RAM to me that ATM.

taskiller full, it have an ignore list

advanced task killer has an ignore list too and works good for me

qvert said:
advanced task killer has an ignore list too and works good for me
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+1 for advanced task killer.
Keep in mind, tho, android system is still going to kill whatever it wants, whenever it feels necessary (unless the app in question is "locked in memory").

+1 for TaskKiller, but sometimes it uses up 16% or more of the battery in standby. Its not set to do anything on standby and status bar notification and widget are off.

advanced task manager works for me

You have to set a different ignore list for ATM's autokill, which is what the widget is. That's so you can manually kill more apps than are killed automatically. In ATM, choose menu, preferences, applications, and scroll to the auto-end excluded list. Also, set auto-end frequency to 30 mins. Then you will be amazed at how easily it keeps your phone tidy.

Advanced Task Killer
AutoKiller
Auto Memory

I use Taskpanel, my favorite feature is it autokills programs in the autokill list when the screen shuts off.

You best bet is to put your auto killers on the auto kill list.

muncheese said:
You best bet is to put your auto killers on the auto kill list.
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If you're really that concerned about memory use something like AutoKiller with aggressive settings.

System Panel seems awesome... I'm using this now.

your best bet is to not use a task killer. It is not needed for android.

lightforce said:
advanced task manager works for me
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advanced task manager works for me too.

myplague said:
your best bet is to not use a task killer. It is not needed for android.
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+1! My phone has been so much faster and better battery since ditching a task manager!

Zenoran said:
System Panel seems awesome... I'm using this now.
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Just found System Panel also has a convenient "Kill All" X button. Pretty cool.

I've tried all of them; Taskpanel is the absolute winner, especially at battery saving! It turbos your battery life, in my case about 40%; great/ musthave app!!

Switched to Advanced task manager. It allows itself to get killed
TaskKiller was taking up upto 20% of my standby battery!!!

britoso said:
Switched to Advanced task manager. It allows itself to get killed
TaskKiller was taking up upto 20% of my standby battery!!!
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YUP i have purchased Taskiller and Advanced Task manager...Ran both for many weeks with my G1 and Nexus...... Findings are
Big Difference here....Taskiller eats my battery + notice some kind of memory leak where the ram will always be getting lower and lower over a slow 24 to 48 hours.....
Advanced task killer uses no extra battery ... i just check the program a few times a day and when i get done i hit end all and it kills itself...big plus here for saving MUCHO battery...its the BEEEZ neeezzzz for real =-D ........the biggest reason for having one for me is when i reboot i have so many apps that run that dont need to ..so this works well using it like this, along with Juice defender my battery last sooooooo much longer..... for real beez neez i tell ya

Been using taskpanel for like 3-4 months on my ADP1 and now my N1 so I highly recommend it.

Android Multitasking

Hey everyone, I'm posting this to gather information about Android Multitasking.
I have used android since i had my G1, I am now on a g2, otherwise known as the HTC HERO.
In my opinion android multitasks beautifully when we talk about speed! It doesn't however manage it's open applications well at all. I mean switching to a application which is open in the background is tough. Pressing and holding the home button gives you a menu to RECENTLY open applications which doesn't conform to what IS open at that very moment. And the task bar notifications dont really give you a full list of all applications open..only apps that support it.
With the iphone really gathering it's bearings, and beginning to multitask [kinda better multitasking management then android imo] Im beginning to waver in my support for android.
I can imagine if holding the home button brought up a card view like webOS, giving you a preview of all the open applications in the background. Or something similar. I mean if HTC sense has a pinch gesture to view home screen in a hard view environment, i don't see what's stopping android from having a more polished and robust multitasking experience.
What are your thoughts on this?

the iphone 4 implementation looks to be exactly what you are complaining about with android. it offers a list of recently used apps. with iphone none of the apps stay running, they have background services that an app can start but the app will close. Android is similar. the ui for an app isnt necessarily running. it will be killed by the os and started again when you ask to see it.
WebOS does actually show you exactly what is running. I havent used a webos device for an extended period of time, but it dies seem their card metaphor is the easiest to understand for users. if your phone is slow just look at the cards you have open and flick some out.
I agree with your point though, i find the android app switcher inadequate. Far too often the app i want to get back to is no longer in the list. i think the iphone will have the same issue unless their list can grow very long.
It'd solve a lot if the android switcher had a button to pull up the app drawer.
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hexix said:
the iphone 4 implementation looks to be exactly what you are complaining about with android. it offers a list of recently used apps. with iphone none of the apps stay running, they have background services that an app can start but the app will close. Android is similar. the ui for an app isnt necessarily running. it will be killed by the os and started again when you ask to see it.
WebOS does actually show you exactly what is running. I havent used a webos device for an extended period of time, but it dies seem their card metaphor is the easiest to understand for users. if your phone is slow just look at the cards you have open and flick some out.
I agree with your point though, i find the android app switcher inadequate. Far too often the app i want to get back to is no longer in the list. i think the iphone will have the same issue unless their list can grow very long.
It'd solve a lot if the android switcher had a button to pull up the app drawer.
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Yeah I suppose you're right, but i cant help but think the iphone will just be better at it then android.
Other then that. Yes Android really needs to polish it's multi tasking system.
EDIT: Also, I have used WebOS and honestly it's a superior mobile platform to android [imo]. It's community however is not as enriched as the android one and there aren't as many apps available for the palm pre. Palm really screwed themselves over limiting it to one phone...it would have been a strategic move to stop manufacturing phones and start working on EXPENSIVE palm software like webOS

Or maybe you can try AppSwipe!

There's also a nice app (imo) from a user on here, he tried to mimic the webOS cards system, and is doing pretty well until now. No previews yet but its still a nice powerful task manager that views icon in a nice view and has launch on search / camera button press too!
It's called TaskOS!

I've tried both task os and app swipe and still...they are both very unpolished multitasking management systems =/
I hope eventually something will come along.

I came from the Palm Pre before I got my HTC Hero, and multitasking was wayyyy better than Android. In fact, if the Pre wasn't so slow, I would have kept it over the HTC Hero. It took me over a minute to open Google Maps... with nothing else running! (and the keyboard sucked)

hexix said:
It'd solve a lot if the android switcher had a button to pull up the app drawer.
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Dxtop has a second App Drawer that does just that. It works great.

tdusen said:
Dxtop has a second App Drawer that does just that. It works great.
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Eh, that shows background services like home and what not..
Personally I'd like to disable the drawer from showing apps on my ignore list

what would be nice is if you held home then cards poped up like in webos and showed your running apps with a preview pic of the app

blaboy51 said:
what would be nice is if you held home then cards poped up like in webos and showed your running apps with a preview pic of the app
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YEah thats something to look forward too.

XxsydenxX said:
YEah thats something to look forward too.
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but for that to happen google probley would have to add that in there rom in a update hopefuly it'll happen

nice idea. I wish i knew how to make it happen.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668232

Wow i was just thinking the same thing today, (i used to own a pre) But check out TaskOS in the market guys!!! It's legit, almost exactly the same as cardview on webos except it just shows icons instead of real time view.

If you want a nice way to switch apps without the stupid home key crap just install advanced task killer and switch the default click option to switch too instead of select/unselect. Its one swipe down for the notifications, one click on atk, and one more click on the app you want. Its not as good as webOS but its the best method I can find for now. I also leave a shortcut to atk on my home screen.

there is also MultiTask Manager. Once again not as good as WebOS card view but its more like an Iphone multitask thing. I think I like TaskOS the best. Well I'm not allowed to post links because of new member thing so just look it up.

It wouldn't be hard if you can get live preview's of the application windows.
I've been searching google for "android sdk live preview" and the like for a while though and its not looking good

can the current state of multi-tasking allows, for example, one uses the phone with the speaker while trying to look up some info/or do something with another application(eg, look up notes that you have written down from an application)?
cheers

Multitasking

Is there a multitasking app or program i can use with the infuse,I dont like using taskmanager!

Are you just trying to switch between recently used apps? Hold down your home key and your last couple of apps opened will pop up.
You can also use Advanced Task Killer (but don't kill tasks, unless an app is misbehaving) -
Make sure you peruse the settings so that autokill is OFF and security is HIGH (to avoid showing system processes). Also, it'd really help to configure the tap action to "select/unselect" so that you don't accidentally kill anything.

I wanted something more like the iphone multiflow

ssfirme said:
I wanted something more like the iphone multiflow
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I think Visual Task Switcher is as close as you'll get.
There's also QuickDesk, Tasking, and Swipepad.

Can the Stock "Task Manager" be Frozen/Removed?

Since there are so many other (and better) task managers out there, the stock app seems a little superfluous. If I freeze it with TiBackup, will it make the phone flip out. I tried it on my old Fascinate and it didn't like it so much. Just wondering if anybody had better results with the Charge?

I doubt you can remove it on any TW based rom without neg side effects.
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Yes, I've had it frozen for a few weeks and have had no problems. On Infinity rom.

I think the built in task manager is better than most other task killers. It doesn't kill things needlessly, and also has a long-press home button add-on. Most task killers allow you to stop to many things that are running, and can hurt performance, rather than help it.

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I think the built in task manager is better than most other task killers. It doesn't kill things needlessly, and also has a long-press home button add-on. Most task killers allow you to stop to many things that are running, and can hurt performance, rather than help it.
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also inb4 moved to Q&A

imnuts said:
I think the built in task manager is better than most other task killers. It doesn't kill things needlessly, and also has a long-press home button add-on. Most task killers allow you to stop to many things that are running, and can hurt performance, rather than help it.
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Long press is why I thought you shouldn't freeze it..
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imnuts said:
I think the built in task manager is better than most other task killers. It doesn't kill things needlessly, and also has a long-press home button add-on. Most task killers allow you to stop to many things that are running, and can hurt performance, rather than help it.
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The stock one is great, I feel the others are way more superfluous and tend to kill too much including services that will automatically restart

Battery Life - Do I Need These Processes Running

Brand new to Android coming from iOS. Battery life is an issue. Reading up. Ran Carat and found the Battery Percentage App I installed was identified as a Battery Hog itself! Going to run a couple more days before using something like JuiceDefender Plus.
How essential are these processes?
GO SMS Pro (does it always have to be running? should I dump it and go back to stock messaging app?)
HTS Sense (assume no way around this except custom ROM)
TegraZone
Google Services
Media
Maps (Haven't even run G Maps once yet!)
Swiftkey 3 - wow, takes up 19MB. Hope it is really THAT much better than HTC keyboard?
And odd thing is that in many cases, I can't see how you close the app, let alone, REALLY close it. Of course this was no different than iOS, when you closed it, it still was in memory in the background so it would resume when you brought it back up. On iPhone you press the Home button to close it and go back to the spring board. Same here? I know - dumb newbie question.

jazee said:
Brand new to Android coming from iOS. Battery life is an issue. Reading up. Ran Carat and found the Battery Percentage App I installed was identified as a Battery Hog itself! Going to run a couple more days before using something like JuiceDefender Plus.
How essential are these processes?
GO SMS Pro (does it always have to be running? should I dump it and go back to stock messaging app?)
HTS Sense (assume no way around this except custom ROM)
TegraZone
Google Services
Media
Maps (Haven't even run G Maps once yet!)
Swiftkey 3 - wow, takes up 19MB. Hope it is really THAT much better than HTC keyboard?
And odd thing is that in many cases, I can't see how you close the app, let alone, REALLY close it. Of course this was no different than iOS, when you closed it, it still was in memory in the background so it would resume when you brought it back up. On iPhone you press the Home button to close it and go back to the spring board. Same here? I know - dumb newbie question.
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It's not a dumb question at all. Android uses a different system to manage memory, and does a good job. To get better battery life, look at your settings and turn off automatic syncing, gps, location services, etc. The problem is that not all the time you will have wifi/data. The phone constantly is looking for data and that uses battery as well. You can kill the maps in the task manager, but it might restart itself when you reboot and update the app, and there's no way around this unless you root your phone.
To find the task manager, go into the apps menu, and look for Task Manager. You can completely kill apps from there, but I wouldn't worry about it too much, android does a good job most of the time. For those apps that are stubborn it's good for.
If you don't want to root, try going into settings and then apps. You can disable apps that you might consider "bloatware" such as AT&T apps and youtube, etc.

jazee said:
Brand new to Android coming from iOS. Battery life is an issue. Reading up. Ran Carat and found the Battery Percentage App I installed was identified as a Battery Hog itself! Going to run a couple more days before using something like JuiceDefender Plus.
How essential are these processes?
GO SMS Pro (does it always have to be running? should I dump it and go back to stock messaging app?)
HTS Sense (assume no way around this except custom ROM)
TegraZone
Google Services
Media
Maps (Haven't even run G Maps once yet!)
Swiftkey 3 - wow, takes up 19MB. Hope it is really THAT much better than HTC keyboard?
And odd thing is that in many cases, I can't see how you close the app, let alone, REALLY close it. Of course this was no different than iOS, when you closed it, it still was in memory in the background so it would resume when you brought it back up. On iPhone you press the Home button to close it and go back to the spring board. Same here? I know - dumb newbie question.
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Actually on iPhone you don't just press home, you double click home hold the app when a minus comes up then you close it.wow I never knew how many clueless people could be with an iphone..anyways for the HTC one x you press the capacitive button to the right of home then you swipe up on the app to quit it.Now If you want to permanately remove bloatware/other processes, you have to root the phone ...although juice defender ult is a great app..the one x battery is great for me..even when I was on stock..maybe turn off fastboot( in power settings) turn off all the sound, Screen brightness low, touch settings(vibrate when keys touched..etc).check push notifications manually.. believe me android is more productive in battery life then IOS. Hope I helped. A thanks would be appreciated

Ya, I knew how to close apps in background on iPhone, just didn't explain it right. To bad there's nothing close to Intelliscreen X for Android. Really miss the collapsible notification widgets on the lockscreen. Widgetlock with Tesla Unread Counter is a step in the right direction. I guess with such a small screen the iPhone developers have always been forced to get creative with how the apps use screen space. Those guys at Intelliborn really pulled off an amazing app. Too bad none of the people that have not jailbroken their iPhones can use it.
Battery life is much much better now (still in first 24 hours of usage). Not sure what I had running, but it could have been the Battery Percentage App I downloaded that Carat listed on the Battery "Hogs" list that I uninstalled. Ironic a battery meter would cause much more battery drain. Unfortunately I read than on HTC they have no option to switch to % where other phone do. Haven't used JuiceDefender Plus yet, but maybe that will give me the info. The battery icon is so worthless for knowing "really" how much you have left except for a general estimate.
Oh and THANKS on the swipe up thing. Is there a "must know" guide for "power users" coming over from iOS to Android/Jelly Bean that would tell me more of this stuff. I never would have guessed it and was flip through the apps wondering "how the hell to I close all these?" Still in my first day though. Man this phone is fast.

Well, battery was doing great then I wasn't doing much with phone and could feel it get hot. I watched Battery go from 85-65 in about 30 minutes! I went into Carat and saw high CPU, but you can't see from Carat what is eating the CPU so downloaded Android Task Manager, great app. Used realtime processes report. Of course #1 CPU eater is the Process Monitor itself (only when you are looking at it). But I was seeing the PowerAmp "Service", "Music Enhancer" and "Sound Set" and "HD Widgets" all very active in CPU usage. Wasn't using PowerAmp or HD Widgets. Haven't even used any of the widgets!
Is there something other than carat that will give me an average CPU usage say in the last hour of all the background services and processes so I can determine what's eating the battery in a short period of time - or am I stuck just looking at realtime process info?
It looks like from a brief search PowerAmp service is "normal". I have a HUGE MP3 library of 3000 songs I just synced yesterday - is gradually processing them or something? I also downloaded Neutron Player. Both have excellent sound quality but the Neutron interface is geeky - PowerAmp more like iTunes but I'm an Audiophile so if I have to go to Neutron to avoid this PowerAmp "Service" from eating my battery from time to time I will.
I've been using the app button and the swipe up a lot now to clear out apps - but like iPhone I'm guessing in most cases it doesn't make a huge difference as Android, like iOS sort of sleeps the background apps anyway. Or should I be in the habit of checking and closing background apps not being used? It seems the "services" are what can cause the issue more (other than foreground apps). Still learning. Bare with me.
I'm not a gamer. If there was a setting (without needing root/custom ROM) to underclock the CPU a little, I'd probably take that for more batter life. Seems on the One X+ I'm guessing much of the extra battery capacity is offset by the higher clocked processor! It's probably just a matter of me finishing getting the phone configured the way I want, stop adding apps, then debug the CPU/Battery hogs and uninstall, change settings, or start using JuiceDefender. My guess.

Feel like such a newbie. Found the built-in Android Battery Usage screen. Shows Android Task Manager as using it the most! But I was having the hot temp/battery drain before I even installed that! Second is the Android OS. Third is WL Theme Viewer. That makes sense as that WidgetLock Theme view app created a big database. But the battery drain continued after it was done! Then Sounds Set, HTC Sence, Google Play Store, Carat, HD Widgets. What the hell is HD Widgets doing? So no jump out culprits - except Sound Set seems suspicious!