Is there an application for the TP which allows for the device to be used as a HID over Bluetooth to control a desktop PC?
there are programs that let you control your desktop PC in various ways, but nothing specific for TP or the keyboard
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
"can't be that hard"?
How did you come to this conclusion?
Educated guess? Or just guess?
Well it would need to modify a little bit the bluetooth stack and emulate a HID keyboard, I guess.
Tonight I'm the Jeremy Clarkson of the day, with his most famous quote: "how hard can it be?!" when obviously it is very hard to do...
So I absolutely don't mean it is an easy thing to do, but I'm sure some experts in XDA-Dev are skilled enough to do it.
Hey, a man can dream, right?
Another option is to use a program like VNC to pilot your pc from the your raphael.
Used to do it with my old ppc (Toshiba e830). This works only if the computer you want to control is also in the same network (connected either through LAN cable or wifi).
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
Not exactly what you were talking about but...
http://www.virtual-laser-keyboard.com/
About the size of a lighter, and you can use it for you phone as well. (Picture attaching your phone to the TV in the back. Using your bluetooth to open a program on it. Then typing away on the scren with this "futuristic keyboard from the stars!!".... or something like that.)
that must be one of the most useless gadgets ever created
huge initial "wow" factor, but that is all
Useless? I don't know... over priced, and unnecessary maybe, but a portable full sized keyboard doesn't seem useless to me.
Have you tried it?
I have. Very stupid to tap a plain table, since you cannot feel anything (even the separation of the buttons) you make 60% mistakes.
Also, it is not even portable! You need a large flat surface to put it and to let it throw its beam.
(and one more thing to recharge)
I stand by my original wording.
nethopper said:
Yes, I'm aware of a number of remote control solutions, but they all require an application to be run on the PC to be controlled. I'm really looking for a solutions which is purely based on HID. Like the Sony Ericsson remote control feature on the new phones. Great for presentations and Media Player. Any ideas?
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Well, HID implementation in Windows also includes programs and services that start with your windows. So if you have to install only 1 program to make it run I don't think it is a big deal.
It's 3 years I use my main computer this way. As I have a projector and don't want to start it every time I installed VNC server in my main computer (freeware) and VNC client in both my laptop and PPC, and it works pretty well (especially with Vista on my laptop, it runs pretty smooth).
@NLS:
Hmm, well from that description I will have to agree with you and add useless to my definition of the product as well.
@nethopper:
Yeah if you were looking for remote solutions I would suggest Logmein.com (the free version because I am cheap). If you want something that purely converts your phones keyboard into a computer keyboard... I found ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/communications/blueremote/ ) for palm devices, this ( http://en.handybyte.com/cat/system-utilities/enhancements/ppc-tablet-remote-control-suite/ ) for ppc but over TCP/IP instead of bluetooth, and a patent showing that someone *Microsoft* is working/has worked on the idea ( http://www.freepatentsonline.com/y2008/0120448.html ) so the search continues
@FlippyTK: I'm aware of the VNC solution, but I'm really looking for something as slim and elegant as the software on the SE phones. There are situations where you don't want or can't install anything on the host PC.
@NetApex: Thanks, for the links. The MS patent is strange, how could they file something as obvious as this? There must be prior art... But the patent might be the reason why such a software does not exist. I guess everybody is afraid of the MS lawyers...
I'll keep searching, please let us know if you have the solution...
I'm not sure a pure HID solution is possible. If the Raphael keyboard is indeed a HID-capable device, then the phone itself is its host. Since you would have to go through the host (in this case, WM) to access the bluetooth stack, the most direct solution is a software "pass-through" program.
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The SE solution is using bluetooth HID emulation, so I will take a look into that.
For now, the TCP/IP solution shouldn't be a problem: you can setup a bluetooth PAN for TCP/IP connectivity.
For reference, one software that is closest to what you have in mind is Synergy, a similar host/client pass-through program that allows you to use one keyboard/mouse on multiple networked computers (without using hardware KVM switch, etc). It's only Windows/Mac/Unix, no PPC client, but maybe it will help point you in the right direction.
I found the following article which gives a nice overview of remote control solutions:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/cms/blogs/3/remote_media_controllers_for_windows_mob
The software from Jerom does a nice job (http://www.jaylee.org/RemoteControl/) and I used it on my Prophet for some time. It requires for a small program to be installed on the host and it is easy to set up. But I had it hang a few times (typically in the middle of a management presentation) and therefore I abandoned it. The SE solution I had before was absolutely reliable and that's why I look for something similar for WM.
In principle, the solution is simple: Implement a HID device driver and pass key/touches to it. I did some programming for WM devices but I never tackled the bluetooth stack... there is a significant hurdle - otherwise someone else would have done this app already. ;-)
that would be cool
using the phone to open an app that is named "operate as bluetooth keyboard" and clicking start to take control of a home theater PC using teh TV as your monitor and the desktop media PC as the CPU and just using your phone as nothing more than a keyboard would be pretty slick.
golympio said:
Wow great idea, that would be nifty on my CarPC! I'm always looking for a smaller keyboard to fit there...
Can't be that hard, I'm sure someone can do that, with all the specialists we have here in this wonderful community
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If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
Cyber-mate said:
If you are so much interested in a small portable keyboard, why dont you try diNovo Mini from logitech http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboards/&cl=roeu,en
Quite cool. I use it for my Media Center!
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That is cool, but also pricey
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I was thinking about mobile computing, mostly current tablets, and how they really have a limit in computing power.
I found some apps that let Android users control their desktops remotely. I know W7 has a pretty good handwriting recognition software. I also know that running videos and audio usually does not translate to the mobile device well (or are there newer apps available).
The point being, I was wondering whether it would be possible to use the remote desktop to use a tablet and write on it. The writing, would ideally transfer and save to the desktop. I know most tablets do not have adequate capacitive screens to handle stylus input well, but I was mostly wondering whether software was available.
Thank You.
There is a program called "Input Director" for computers that lets you use a keyboard/mouse on one and seamlessly move the mouse to another monitor which giving you control of that computer over the internet. It's sort of like a VNC client/server on steroids but instead of sending the display to you it sends your keyboard/mouse input to the remote system.
This is assuming that Android can even use a mouse, which I figure it can or at least should be able to. I know the Atrix can using the webtop which has the android phone in a window and the android can basically do anything.
I know for a fact that there is an option for mouse/keyboard inputs on an android platform.
I own a http://www.asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101/
and it has a keyboard and trackpad keyboard attachment, as well as USB ports that I have tested and reliable used with the tablet/keyboard combo.
An app based kvm switch will work with android, just need a kind developer to make it. I would buy that app in a heartbeat.
As per the OP, there is a alternative currently called iDisplay. It only extends your desktop to your android platform, no forwarding of mouse/keyboard inputs. I haven't personally tried it, but it sounds like the app is really hit or miss for a lot of people.
I am slightly handicapped, very difficult to use left hand for typing. My job requires me to be on the computer all day. I am wondering if there is any way to use my 10.1 and it's S-pen (or any tablet with a pen) to be able to write on the tablet and use programs like Outlook, word and excel?
If this question should be asked in a different forum, someone please let me know.
Thanks
IIRC, the tablets can't be connected to a PC just to share their touch screen or any other input method.
(With the exception of it's camera)
To accomplish what you want you would have to run specialized software on both your PC and tablet, eg connect from your tablet to the PC using remote desktop software.
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I believe there are some apps in the play store that will do this. You need to run a corresponding server application on the Windows machine for this to work.
It might be worth a try if you already have the equipment and don't want to spend any more money. However, I suspect you're not going to get a very satisfactory experience going this route.
Windows 7 does have some native support for pen/stylus input, including handwriting recognition. Windows 8 is probably even better for this, although whether the desktop pen support is enhanced I'm not sure. In any case, I think you'd probably be better served getting a dedicated tablet for Window, i.e. a Wacom tablet or something similar. Wacom makes some very expensive tablets (Cinteq (sp?) and Intuos) for pro designers/artists but they also have more reasonably priced consumer tablets (the Bamboo line) which should be adequate for your purposes and these will have very mature Windows drivers.
I'd also suggest, however, that you do a little research on dedicated one-handed typing hardware. I know there are one-handed keyboards which are essentially the same as a standard qwerty keyboard cut in half and you would hold down a button with your thumb that would switch between the native key or the key in the mirror position. If you happen to know touch typing this type of keyboard is probably not hard to learn and may be your best bet. If you're not already a touch typist you should also research other types of "chording" keyboards which use combinations of buttons or switches to specify input characters. There are a variety of these and several are designed for one handed use.
Many thanks for the info. I got the Microsoft android remote desktop connection app from the play store to try it out before posting this thread. I am just dense enough to not be able to figure out how to set up the RDC on my home pc. Wanted to see if it would work before approaching the it guys at work.
I wondered if the Surface tablet would do better with the office suite. Something tells me there could be a real need for something like this to work if someone could figure it out.
I'll look into the keyboard option again (I think I did once before).
tmagritte said:
I believe there are some apps in the play store that will do this. You need to run a corresponding server application on the Windows machine for this to work.
It might be worth a try if you already have the equipment and don't want to spend any more money. However, I suspect you're not going to get a very satisfactory experience going this route.
Windows 7 does have some native support for pen/stylus input, including handwriting recognition. Windows 8 is probably even better for this, although whether the desktop pen support is enhanced I'm not sure. In any case, I think you'd probably be better served getting a dedicated tablet for Window, i.e. a Wacom tablet or something similar. Wacom makes some very expensive tablets (Cinteq (sp?) and Intuos) for pro designers/artists but they also have more reasonably priced consumer tablets (the Bamboo line) which should be adequate for your purposes and these will have very mature Windows drivers.
I'd also suggest, however, that you do a little research on dedicated one-handed typing hardware. I know there are one-handed keyboards which are essentially the same as a standard qwerty keyboard cut in half and you would hold down a button with your thumb that would switch between the native key or the key in the mirror position. If you happen to know touch typing this type of keyboard is probably not hard to learn and may be your best bet. If you're not already a touch typist you should also research other types of "chording" keyboards which use combinations of buttons or switches to specify input characters. There are a variety of these and several are designed for one handed use.
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Android devices are so powerful today, and the hardware is becoming so powerful that I don't think that the software is utilising that.
We already have much of the technology in devices of today to enable a desktop environment to be streamed from our phones.
Display output: Chromecast (wireless display), MHL (Wired display & charger), etc.
Input methods: Bluetooth Keyboard & mouse, Accelerometer (to emulate mouse input), etc.
UI: Separate Launcher for the desktop UI.
With Microsoft bringing Windows 10 later this year as one OS for both the Phone & Desktop, surely that will allow them to work better in sync with one another, but that will still require a separate desktop computer and phone to create this kind of experience.
But Google now has the chance to simply output a separate UI from the same device that can display a phone UI all at the same time.
If we look at past launches of major Android builds then this coming Google I/O would be the perfect time to announce something like this, since they say that they usually deliver one major build that focuses on UI, and then one that focuses on major feature integration.
And not only would this allow for us to take our desktop with us everywhere in our pocket and connect wirelessly to any compatible display but also it could enable people in poorer economies to buy one device which could give them better access to the internet with a portable display integrated into the device, and also they could connect to the larger displays to browse the web or work on office documents with apps such as 'Google Docs'.
This could really be useful for people who wish to use their device in the work place too.
With Android mobile now offering multiple user profiles on their phones, surely they could create one profile for work, with all of their work apps available in both their phone and desktop UI's, but also a personal profile with all of their media applications & games available when out of work.
The desktop tower may still be useful for a few years to enable support for legacy applications whilst we are waiting for those applications to be ported over to Android/Android Desktop, but that shouldn't take too long considering how quickly we are see'ing apps becoming available to Android offering the kind of services that many of us desire, and if the developers only need to create one application back end for both the Desktop mode & phone mode, then it will be much quicker to bring apps to market with a small bit of time required to make a UI which can be scaled between the phone & desktop mode well.
There are multiple projects trying to create this very experience, but if it was a major part of the Android OS then finally people will get the experience that many people are waiting for, you only have to look at the comments on the developer pages of these projects to see that many people want this kind of experience.
With 64-bit now supported in Android too there is less of a reason to hold back this kind of experience.
I agree totally. Is this the only thread on this subject? Was going to setup Chromecast for video and Bluetooth for keyboard, mouse and audio. Doing this on a Jiayu S3A which is very powerful. Would like one place to discuss what works and what doesn't. Launcher options also need to be discussed.