Hi,
first of all my search function isn t working! So sorry if this question has already been answered.
but are we able to get a flash light on the phone, maybe by just clipping it on, on the back and put a on/off button on the backcover?
Thanks in advance
Like this : thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/d518/?cpg=cj&ref=&CJURL=
But for iphone only.
the SGS doesn't need a flash for pictures at night time, just take the picture using the NIGHT mode of the camera
there are many samples in this forum, search for it
if you really want a good flash, get this instead
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.26990
yes exactly
AllGamer said:
the SGS doesn't need a flash for pictures at night time, just take the picture using the NIGHT mode of the camera
there are many samples in this forum, search for it
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I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that point. Night mode is not a replacement for having flash.
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I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that point. Night mode is not a replacement for having flash.
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Flash has limited range. It cant take pictures of outdoor scenes at all. It wont make any difference. This is when sensor sensitivity trumps flash.
I would really have loved it if they included an LED flash, im pretty sure it wont increase the thickness, its quite useful as a torch
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I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you on that point. Night mode is not a replacement for having flash.
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Neither flash nor night mode are a replacement for having real light though. Flash does have it's uses, and so does Night mode. Flash does have some problems though at night and can lead to some of the worst pictures ever taken (someone took one in me in the night using a flash at night, and it seriously looked like I had crawled out of a petri dish earlier that morning. With Night mode though, getting sharp pictures can be painful (and it only works well in lessor light situations, unless you have a tripod).
That being said, I too would like to see cases released with a light integrated. Yes, I do have an LED torch already, but having something integrated with the phone would allow less messing around.
I want an LED on a sticker.
I mean, they make some pretty darn bright little party lights on pins & T-shirts, why not a whilte one that just lines up the button battery on one end, the switch to push in the middle, and the LED bulb on the other end, cover most or all of the parts in silicone with some adhesive on the flat side. Stick on some velcro and all that would have to be done is removal before it gets stuck to the phone to the vecro patch half of us have in our cars. Sell three for $25 and you'd be making $24 per sale, including shipping.
No, I can't find one. I've looked. I'm thinking about hacking up a light-up Led Zeppelin shirt, or more likely heading for Radio Shack and sticking the button battery contacts between the bulb contacts, taping it, and just sqeezing the thing when I want light.
Seriously, this absence of light is a bit ridiculous. It's so cheap, and they're charging us how much for molded plastic plus this? That and flashlights are all we get for choices?
I do love the light sensitivity of this camera, though. It might just work with a single bulb for those impossible times. It' sure doesn't need an explosion of light. It's the best I've ever had on a phone by a million times.
Edit: found this at DealExreme. Yet again for iPhone. I think I'll watch for this in micro USB.
Here's the sticky, except it points the wrong way.
Here's one I almost got excited about. Sold out.
Yep, shopping for i9000 accessories. This is how it is.
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I did some very weird reading in DIY flashlight forums. Learned some stuff. The $12 Proton Freedom keyring has a dimmer on it, and people swear by it. I have too much to keep track of; I have three copies of keys that I use, and two copies stashed for JIC. Too pricey.
So I settled for trying this, which has a nice flat back on the clip for sticking a magnet to, or adhering somewhere like your monitor; and this, but they only come is sets of 10 (most of which will be in stockings on Christmas eve/morning, about this time).
Janis said:
I want an LED on a sticker.
I mean, they make some pretty darn bright little party lights on pins & T-shirts, why not a whilte one that just lines up the button battery on one end, the switch to push in the middle, and the LED bulb on the other end, cover most or all of the parts in silicone with some adhesive on the flat side. Stick on some velcro and all that would have to be done is removal before it gets stuck to the phone to the vecro patch half of us have in our cars. Sell three for $25 and you'd be making $24 per sale, including shipping.
No, I can't find one. I've looked. I'm thinking about hacking up a light-up Led Zeppelin shirt, or more likely heading for Radio Shack and sticking the button battery contacts between the bulb contacts, taping it, and just sqeezing the thing when I want light.
Seriously, this absence of light is a bit ridiculous. It's so cheap, and they're charging us how much for molded plastic plus this? That and flashlights are all we get for choices?
I do love the light sensitivity of this camera, though. It might just work with a single bulb for those impossible times. It' sure doesn't need an explosion of light. It's the best I've ever had on a phone by a million times.
Edit: found this at DealExreme. Yet again for iPhone. I think I'll watch for this in micro USB.
Here's the sticky, except it points the wrong way.
Here's one I almost got excited about. Sold out.
Yep, shopping for i9000 accessories. This is how it is.
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I did some very weird reading in DIY flashlight forums. Learned some stuff. The $12 Proton Freedom keyring has a dimmer on it, and people swear by it. I have too much to keep track of; I have three copies of keys that I use, and two copies stashed for JIC. Too pricey.
So I settled for trying this, which has a nice flat back on the clip for sticking a magnet to, or adhering somewhere like your monitor; and this, but they only come is sets of 10 (most of which will be in stockings on Christmas eve/morning, about this time).
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Yo Janis,
Have you seen this?
http://www.globalsources.com/manufacturers/LED-Sticker.html
which one specifically?, you got too many listed.
most of those are for close range, it wont work for photos
Yeah night mode is really not that great, a lot of pictures are unusable depending on the circumstances.
the round one with 7 led lights
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the round one with 7 led lights
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that one is a sticker, it's not LED
LOL
and the one that is really a LED it uses 3 x AAA batteries, way to huge
i still prefer my solution better
You had me goin there for a minute! I think maybe that site did, too, when I was really shopping, but I looked at so much crap, staying up way too late, I don't remember. (unsturctured time without distraction for a mom is time well spent)
I think in order to provide decent brightness and useable battery life, they all have to be pretty bulky. I got key chain ones that don't stay on unless you sacrifice a fingernail that are reputed to be bright, unblemished and diffuse (the bulb rating actually doesn't tell the wole story, i guess), and if I really wanted to hot-glue it to my phone I suppose I could.
I really just want something for those relatively close up "Mom! Lookit this!" moments that I might otherwise miss. Most of my photos suck, anyway, so art photo (OK, non-silly photos) I leave up to the rest of the fam. I need practice finding shots with decent light, anyway, this'll definitely up my game a notch. IMHO, deciding what you want to do with the flash is probably more important than whether it comes integrated in a case or not.
I'm eager to see what comes of this iPhone no-flash standard. I hope it goes away as battery tech gets better, but in the mean time, it'll be interesting to watch.
And if you haven't checked out DealExtreme.... I had over $200 in my cart before I decided to weed. I haven't girl-shopped like that for ten years (divergent). I'm hooked!
just my thoughs for a flash on a phone...
Even with a canon 7D you will get terrible shots with a built-in flash. Its just not about the hardware but more about optics. To get a decent image you first need to move the flash away from the camera or at least point it into the ceiling or a white wall. Else it will look plain ugly no matter what. Every photographer knows this.
A xenon-flash on the phone will light up the close perimeter but will not create a good image. A led-light will be totaly useless, sure it might light up the object but colors, shadows and over all image quality will be terrible.
A fast sensor (high iso) will create noisy images. Even the 7d makes some noice, still this is a middle-end dedicated slr-camera. Dont expect a micro-small phone-sensor to produce anything good.
So... to make a decent photo with a phone: have good lightning conditions = outdoor, close to a window (preferably north side) or use a (or maybe even three) secondary light source (like a lamp).
An inbuilt flash/led on a camera can at best produce "working" images. Meaning you can actually see whats been photoed. For documentation. But for good photography forget about this.
I still miss a led on the sgs, but i would like it to be pointing strait up so i can use it as a flashlight. But the screen is rather bright anyway...
this was explained many many times, but some people still don't quite get it.
I'll suggest hobby photography lessons, then they will see the real difference.
a flash or LED on a phone, is mostly just used as a flash light
it has no real life effective value as a flash for a picture session.
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just my thoughs for a flash on a phone...
Even with a canon 7D you will get terrible shots with a built-in flash. Its just not about the hardware but more about optics. To get a decent image you first need to move the flash away from the camera or at least point it into the ceiling or a white wall. Else it will look plain ugly no matter what. Every photographer knows this.
A xenon-flash on the phone will light up the close perimeter but will not create a good image. A led-light will be totaly useless, sure it might light up the object but colors, shadows and over all image quality will be terrible.
A fast sensor (high iso) will create noisy images. Even the 7d makes some noice, still this is a middle-end dedicated slr-camera. Dont expect a micro-small phone-sensor to produce anything good.
So... to make a decent photo with a phone: have good lightning conditions = outdoor, close to a window (preferably north side) or use a (or maybe even three) secondary light source (like a lamp).
An inbuilt flash/led on a camera can at best produce "working" images. Meaning you can actually see whats been photoed. For documentation. But for good photography forget about this.
I still miss a led on the sgs, but i would like it to be pointing strait up so i can use it as a flashlight. But the screen is rather bright anyway...
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In the t-mobile vibrant section, someone pointed to an iphone case that had a built in led flash, lol.
I currently have SE W550i which has LED Flash. I have never paid attention to the flash while clicking photos with it but i EXTENSIVELY use it as a torch at various times and it is really helpful.
So Since now I plan to buy Galaxy S no flash is huge disappointment for me. Not because of pictures but I cant use the flash as a torch because there isnt any. I fail to understand why such an expensive phone doesnt have such a basic feature like this. Well thats another matter if you want to use such an expensive phone as a torch(!) but it still works damn good if it has one and sadly Galaxy S doesnt have any!
I wonder if these lights will work with 2 cr2032 batteries. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.m748&item=380261264719&viewitem=&_trkparms=clkid%3D6208795471328440285
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I've owned a large range of devices, and I understand viewing angles, so I am hoping I have a bad LCD production run model.
When I hold the tablet in portrait everything seems... 3D? As in blurry, as if each eye is slightly off. It really messes me up for an hour. I know that many laptop screens are similar and I have been playing with them at different angles but I don't get that effect.
Anyone see that, or should I take it back for an exchange?
jar299 said:
I've owned a large range of devices, and I understand viewing angles, so I am hoping I have a bad LCD production run model.
When I hold the tablet in portrait everything seems... 3D? As in blurry, as if each eye is slightly off. It really messes me up for an hour. I know that many laptop screens are similar and I have been playing with them at different angles but I don't get that effect.
Anyone see that, or should I take it back for an exchange?
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when u use it in portrait use it with the soft keys on top and tilt it slightly to the right...I dont think it was made to be used in portrait but just do that
jar299 said:
I've owned a large range of devices, and I understand viewing angles, so I am hoping I have a bad LCD production run model.
When I hold the tablet in portrait everything seems... 3D? As in blurry, as if each eye is slightly off. It really messes me up for an hour. I know that many laptop screens are similar and I have been playing with them at different angles but I don't get that effect.
Anyone see that, or should I take it back for an exchange?
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Yeah I know exactly what you are talking about. Its from the viewing angle issue. One eye sees the screen perfectly crisp and the other sees it with a slight blur, so it messes with your brain. Its even worse for me because one eye already sees blurry.
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Yeah I know exactly what you are talking about. Its from the viewing angle issue. One eye sees the screen perfectly crisp and the other sees it with a slight blur, so it messes with your brain. Its even worse for me because one eye already sees blurry.
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And by tomorrow, someone will file a class action law suit expecting to get a million dollars.
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And by tomorrow, someone will file a class action law suit expecting to get a million dollars.
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Kind of like in the movie The Jerk, when people's eyes go cross-eyed
The screen is upside down. Im unsure exactly why they designed it this way, but it is. I'm sure theres a good reason, just wish I knew what it was. If you find your eyes becoming fatigued, you can do a few things.
* Flip the Device upside down. Viewing angles are better, at least for washed out colors and tilted viewing.
* Move the device further back from your face. May not be possible, but that "two feet" rule exists for a reason. (or four feet depending on how rabid your companies ergonomic's "expert" is... I swear its a scam)
* Keep the device directly in front of your face, the center of the screen should be exactly where your nose is.
* Use it less? Hmm.. Thats why its last
Truth be told, this is a problem with all LCDs, from your desktop to phones, TVs, etc. Its just more appreant with a tablet as it sits close to your face. It sucks, but until OLED or eink become usable (in the way we want it to.. ie LCD quaility. Theyre both excellent for long time viewing, but lack speed, or the price is too high) we'll have to live with it.
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The screen is upside down. Im unsure exactly why they designed it this way, but it is. I'm sure theres a good reason, just wish I knew what it was. If you find your eyes becoming fatigued, you can do a few things.
* Flip the Device upside down. Viewing angles are better, at least for washed out colors and tilted viewing.
* Move the device further back from your face. May not be possible, but that "two feet" rule exists for a reason. (or four feet depending on how rabid your companies ergonomic's "expert" is... I swear its a scam)
* Keep the device directly in front of your face, the center of the screen should be exactly where your nose is.
* Use it less? Hmm.. Thats why its last
Truth be told, this is a problem with all LCDs, from your desktop to phones, TVs, etc. Its just more appreant with a tablet as it sits close to your face. It sucks, but until OLED or eink become usable (in the way we want it to.. ie LCD quaility. Theyre both excellent for long time viewing, but lack speed, or the price is too high) we'll have to live with it.
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Very well said. Thank you
The screen is small compared to my desktop system. THe real chalange
Is typing on the pad
rushless said:
Kind of like in the movie The Jerk, when people's eyes go cross-eyed
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I don't need you! I don't need anyone! all I need is this gtab! that's it, nothing else! and well this lamp, but that's it! that's all I need is this gtab and this lamp... lol
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The screen is upside down. Im unsure exactly why they designed it this way, but it is. I'm sure theres a good reason, just wish I knew what it was. If you find your eyes becoming fatigued, you can do a few things.
* Flip the Device upside down. Viewing angles are better, at least for washed out colors and tilted viewing.
* Move the device further back from your face. May not be possible, but that "two feet" rule exists for a reason. (or four feet depending on how rabid your companies ergonomic's "expert" is... I swear its a scam)
* Keep the device directly in front of your face, the center of the screen should be exactly where your nose is.
* Use it less? Hmm.. Thats why its last
Truth be told, this is a problem with all LCDs, from your desktop to phones, TVs, etc. Its just more appreant with a tablet as it sits close to your face. It sucks, but until OLED or eink become usable (in the way we want it to.. ie LCD quaility. Theyre both excellent for long time viewing, but lack speed, or the price is too high) we'll have to live with it.
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It's also more apparent with tablets because we hold them at all sorts of angles while with nb & LCD monitors for desktops we pretty much set them to our tastes...
Anyways, I find that I can read text fine(portrait) in FBReader but many other apps I do note the portrait mode oddities, esp. the ones that force portrait mode. I've also used spare parts to turn off compat mode, which I've done on every tablet that I've used so far w/no problems.
Can the brightness on the G Tab be hacked/changed to be even less bright? Even at the lowest setting reading ebooks at night, I find it to be too bright.
I wanted to love the G-Tablet but the display issues finally became a deal killer for me. I have been struggling with the viewing angle problems and last night when I tried to read some comics I got that 3d effect mentioned by the OP.
I don't know if it's a bad batch of displays or if that's just the way they are made but I'm taking mine back to Sears for a refund. One would think that a company that specializes in video displays would have gotten this right.
My wife has an Ipad and it doesn't have ANY viewing angle problems, I guess it uses a different technology.
Cyhawk said:
The screen is upside down. Im unsure exactly why they designed it this way, but it is. I'm sure theres a good reason, just wish I knew what it was. If you find your eyes becoming fatigued, you can do a few things.
* Flip the Device upside down. Viewing angles are better, at least for washed out colors and tilted viewing.
* Move the device further back from your face. May not be possible, but that "two feet" rule exists for a reason. (or four feet depending on how rabid your companies ergonomic's "expert" is... I swear its a scam)
* Keep the device directly in front of your face, the center of the screen should be exactly where your nose is.
* Use it less? Hmm.. Thats why its last
Truth be told, this is a problem with all LCDs, from your desktop to phones, TVs, etc. Its just more appreant with a tablet as it sits close to your face. It sucks, but until OLED or eink become usable (in the way we want it to.. ie LCD quaility. Theyre both excellent for long time viewing, but lack speed, or the price is too high) we'll have to live with it.
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Where's the "like" button in this forum?
lamlam01 said:
Can the brightness on the G Tab be hacked/changed to be even less bright? Even at the lowest setting reading ebooks at night, I find it to be too bright.
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I can't read this thing with the "Day" mode (black on white background). I use Aldiko in Night Mode and then just turn down the brightness to my liking.
Some have mentioned that the 50 Mhz setting might be increasing the eye fatigue, which might have some validity.
The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
mspkash1 said:
The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi,
I'seen the comments about th screen, and while I'm not an expert on LCDs, I've never understood the complaints.
The screen on mine is bright, at 80%, and I don't notice much problem even at angles. I keep wondering if some Gtabs have different LCDs!
Jim
Probably the biggest issue I have is the solarizing effect that occurs when the screen is tipped back, while in landscape. This is something that is noticeable if you have the tablet flat on a desk and you are trying to view the screen that way. You can work around it by flipping the screen, but that doesn't work with all applications.
I don't think portrait mode is so bad, as I usually look at that straight on (it might be slightly high in contrast but you can turn it slightly to fix that).
IMO, viewing angle is not an issue but .... a privacy feature!
Definitely not a deal breaker for me. There are times where I wish I could get a wider angle, such as flat on a desk. However, it works fine for the majority of uses.
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The only thing that is stopping me from pulling the trigger on the gtablet is the viewing angle issue that everyone is complaining about. Honestly I dont care how the screen looks if you are looking at it in an angle because one will always look straight into it anyways.. Other than this, what else is the issue with the screen?
Sears will be running a 10% off on this tomorrow AM bringing the price down to $342 and I need to make up my mind to grab it for that price.
Thanks in advance.
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Would be nice if they would run it at $349 again and the 10%. Let me know if they will give you the 10% on it as I will go get another.
Go check a Staples and see if they still have a demo unit out(they're apparently pulling it but some store might still have a demo unit out -- Sears just has a cheezy mockup...), or maybe an Office Depot...
The viewing angle really isn't so bad when you're using as I've found all the time that I'm holding or have it propped on my lap I have an almost dead view so the viewing angle limitation is not apparent.
As others have mentioned there have been a few times when I'd've liked a better viewing angle, such as when I have laying on the desktop while transferring files to it or having it do things and want a quick check of the screen status w/o have to crane over it...
My biggest remaining complaint is 10" form factor and weight, but mostly the 10" which makes it unwieldly which is why I'll eventually be adding a 7" to complement it, likely a Nook Color(NC) ATM although I'm resisting(strongly) running out and buying one any second now... (made it through Thursday & Friday w/o buying one... keep telling myself more tablets are on the way and to wait a bit although B&N seem to be the best at support so far, and given that they're still supporting the eInk Nook(Nook B&W? NBW?)...)
OTOH the 10" & weight allowed them to pack in a pretty decent battery, and I can manage a few days between charges which I'm sure no 7" will be able to manage, and especially not the NC... going to have to charge every night, and watch screen brightness & WiFi usage...
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Since I added in the Sears line above, it's funny I went to Sears to buy one of those crappy cases(VS $6 one), and the sales guy was laughing about how they have almost nothing in stock... He mentioned that because I asked if they had any other cases than that one, and he said that's it.. going on to mention of the two netbooks on display only the ASUS was in stock, they had 1 HDMI cable, 2 VGA cables(not sure what he meant by this one), a couple of ipods... pretty sad... I can't help but wonder if all Sears stores are like that or just that one... if they're all like that Sears is in trouble...
The Sylvania tablet display had disappeared too, since I was last there in mid-November... still had the white & black PDNs on display, along with a lone Sony eInk reader...
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I got mine site unseen and also struggled with all the negativity before opening it. I finally broke down and gave it a go and can say I really love the device. Sure, the screen is probably its weakest link but far from the bleek picture painted in most reviews.
I guess many sites are holding the Gtab up to iPad standards. The screen is just a regular old netbook LCD. Viewing angles are made for landscape and looking down at 45 degrees. Everything outside that is pretty poor but typically that is how I hold the thing and the viewing angle doesn't bother me. Portrait is another story and if you want this thing to be an e-book reader (or anything) in that form factor then you will be sorely disappointed.
Viewing angle sucks big time and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify and otherwise good amchine they purchase and spent a lot of time getting to work properly.
It is a pain to type on in any kind of angle as the most comfortable angles make screen look negative polarity.
For straight on viewing I agree it's nice
I just got mine in sears with a 5% discount off of $379. I know the stock rom is junk and I dont even care as i'll flash it with vegan or tnt. I am trying hard to like the screen. In portrait mode, when viewing web pages, the text is alright but the pictures have this solarizing effect which I am not able to get over with.. darn.. why didnt they put a good screen on this otherwise a good power house.. will play around lil bit before deciding if i should keep it or send her back
Hi Guys,
Are all variants of the Malata tablet (including the GTablet) have the same LCD screen? I want a 10" Tegra 2 tablet with a better screen.
Thanks.
Canadoc said:
Viewing angle sucks big time and anyone who says otherwise is just trying to justify and otherwise good amchine they purchase and spent a lot of time getting to work properly.
It is a pain to type on in any kind of angle as the most comfortable angles make screen look negative polarity.
For straight on viewing I agree it's nice
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You HAVE to have a different screen than the one I got. I can't get it to go negative no matter what angle I turn it too. The wife and I browsed the web for hours tonight and it worked perfectly, the viewing angle is much better than her hp laptop.
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Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
WickedStyx said:
Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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My gtab has same problem in portrait.
cyberbillp said:
You HAVE to have a different screen than the one I got. I can't get it to go negative no matter what angle I turn it too. The wife and I browsed the web for hours tonight and it worked perfectly, the viewing angle is much better than her hp laptop.
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You mind telling us where you got the GTab, and when? And your model # on the box? I wouldn't discount the possibility that you might have slightly different device than the rest of us.
I know that bekit had gotten a device that had different partitions than the "norm" - maybe the LCD is different, as well. All speculation, of course.
The viewing angle was the only thing I was worried about on this device prior to purchase as this was the main complaint, but after receiving it, its not as bad as some people made it to be, really some people are just really picky. I'm usually really anal about these things too but it is really not that bad.
WickedStyx said:
Maybe different batches have different screens. Mine is terrible if I hold it in portrait and look at it straight on. I have to tilt it to one side to make it usable unless it's completely dark.
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Ditto whoever says it is good must own a white and orange cane
Canadoc said:
Ditto whoever says it is good must own a white and orange cane
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There's a difference between good and good enough. The screen is good enough. Could be better, but works fine. I think most "positive" responses are of similar mind.
My workaround is to place a gum eraser underneath the top of the unit when I'm using it at the kitchen counter. The extra 1 1/2" of tilt helps viewing and the eraser doesn't slip.
An annoyance but definitely not a show stopper for me....
Can someone post a picture of what this viewing angle issue. I see so many references too it, bit I can't get a good visual of what people are taking about
I want to get the G-Tablet. It's a powerful device and it seems that VEGAn-TAB, TnT Lite, Cyanogenmod, and zPad are gonna support this thing for a LONG time. The only thing I'm concerned about is the screen. Is it really as horrible as everyone says it is?
Some people say it's no big deal, and some people say it makes their eyes hurt. I don't care about viewing angles; I'm sure I won't be laying it on a flat tabletop trying to use it. But the supposed screen issues are making me want to wait to see what MSI, Moto, and Asus reveal at CES. It seems like all those tablets will be awesome, but will they be as hackable as the G-Tablet? The G-Tablet is like a Nexus Tab.
Are there any pics that will give me an idea of how the screen looks? Are there demos set up at Office Depot?
I wouldn't expect anything from Moto to be easily hackable as their current lineup suggests. The viewing angles in portrait are nothing to right home about but they are not that bad in landscape. I got my latest one at Office Depot and they had one display. I'm sure there will be better things coming but due to the great devs here this should be a great device until something very much better comes along. Roebeet posted some pics of the viewing angles but I couldn't find them easily
The viewing angles are bad, but other than that the screen is fine. From straight on (especially in landscape) it's a pretty nice image. If you aren't worried about the viewing angles, then there's nothing to worry about the screen
What about using it flat on the table? Lets say normal viewing/using when its laying flat on the table.. I am not concerned with others being able to see it.. just when I am using it on a table flat I want to to be viewable with at least 80% of the quality..
Also.. what about portrait.. does it give that "3D" effect with one eye having a different contrast than the other?
If any of you have a netbook.. take the netbook and stand it portrait and look directly at the screen.. You will know what I mean..
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The viewing angles are bad, but other than that the screen is fine. From straight on (especially in landscape) it's a pretty nice image. If you aren't worried about the viewing angles, then there's nothing to worry about the screen
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Find a store that has one on display. Staples used to and I think office depot still does.
Office depot has them on display. The last time i was there to buy a case i updated their display model to the newest viewsonic rom.
If you can't find one in the store, you can use any standard netbook screen as a good example - turn it back and forth and you'll see the solarization effect.
The screen is the #1 hardware issue I have with the device, which is ironic given that this was released by Viewsonic. As time has progressed, it's become an actual annoyance to me, so much so that it could (in all seriousness) be the main reason why I eventually sell mine. Portrait mode actually hurts my eyes after a short time, and trying to watch movies while the screen is layed back 45 degrees is completely useless.
I keep hoping that we can get a better LCD solution, as i would do that if it were possible.
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What about using it flat on the table? Lets say normal viewing/using when its laying flat on the table.. I am not concerned with others being able to see it.. just when I am using it on a table flat I want to to be viewable with at least 80% of the quality..
Also.. what about portrait.. does it give that "3D" effect with one eye having a different contrast than the other?
If any of you have a netbook.. take the netbook and stand it portrait and look directly at the screen.. You will know what I mean..
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If it's lying flat on a table 6" to a foot in front of you and you are sitting "properly" (back against backrest) the image is borderline unusable. you have to hunch over it to get the straight on view.
In portrait, you are correct, it very much has the "3D" effect. I can't really use it that way without getting annoyed/headache.
Needless to say the screen is a deal breaker for me. I'm going to play with this tablet for a week or so and return it and wait for the good stuff to come that gets announced at CES. With that said i fully expect to have to pay at a minimum one hundred more than for this tablet. This tablet is really a steal at 400 if you can live with the screen.
Appreciate the honesty... It sounds like it would be a deal breaker for me... Last night I was playing around with all the android phones at the new years party and then the ipads that were laying around and have to say.. that screen is just amazing... but love the openness of the Android platform..
The net net is... the Apple OS is nothing to dismiss and the screen is the cherry on top...
If these vendors dont put in what is needed into the screen, coupled with I would say a very immature platform it will take at least 2 generations before it catches mass acceptance...
Lets see what this week has in store at CES..
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If you can't find one in the store, you can use any standard netbook screen as a good example - turn it back and forth and you'll see the solarization effect.
The screen is the #1 hardware issue I have with the device, which is ironic given that this was released by Viewsonic. As time has progressed, it's become an actual annoyance to me, so much so that it could (in all seriousness) be the main reason why I eventually sell mine. Portrait mode actually hurts my eyes after a short time, and trying to watch movies while the screen is layed back 45 degrees is completely useless.
I keep hoping that we can get a better LCD solution, as i would do that if it were possible.
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Thanks for all the replies. I was going to wait for CES anyway, but now I'm thinking I'll wait for MSI's WindPad 110 regardless. The internal hardware is probably very similar and the device will probably be more polished and more supported. Hopefully in the future we'll see VEGAn-TAB or zPad on it
I am one of those owners who wanted to love the G Tablet. I had stars in my eyes when I snapped it up at my local Office Depot.
The screen absolutely killed it for me though.
I am a long time tablet user (mostly on Nokia Tablets). I love the form factor. Just waiting for someone to do it right. From what I can gather thus far, G Tablet is that device who can live with the screen, Nook Color is the device for those who don't mind a lack of buttons, and Galaxy Tab is for those who don't mind paying through the nose to not give in to Apple.
I still love mine, regardless of the screen. I knew about the viewing angles going in and checked it out at OfficeDepot before buying (they had a live one on display). In landscape you can easily get a good viewing angle while holding it, it's not so bad that you have to constantly hunt for the right angle. In portrait it's not so great, my use case for the tablet is 90% hand held and in landscape so I'm alright with this. On a table you would definitely want to prop it up at an angle, if you can do that it would be fine but laying flat is a no go unless you want to slouch way over the tablet.
I have a Nexus One, so I know what a good screen looks like. Honestly, the gtab doesn't bother me. I hold it pretty much straight on, or flip it upside down sometimes when browsing, and it's just not a big deal to me. Sometimes when it's on my lap I'll put a remote control under the top of the screen to prop it just a touch.
I'd also add that just because new tabs get announced at CES doesn't mean they'll be available next week. I bet most won't come out until March, with Honeycomb. I'm quite happy to have the gtab to play with until then.
I hope you guys won't mind me barging in here to ask a quick question. It is about the screen (okay, sort of).
Lets say I wanted to use my GTablet on a table, is there any good stands to put it on so that I can use it and not have to hunch over as I usually do (it hurts my back sometimes not to mention just plain awkward)?
I just thought there might be a particular kind or model that is the best that the GTablet would stay on securely. If not, I'll just locate some general-type stand and use that.
The screen is why I returned my unit. I don't expect too much from MSI, their netbooks also had horrible screens. Also, do not expect anything in 10.1 to be iPad similar. All the 10.1" screens are TN ****.
Folks,
I have a question -- what is all the big deal about tables?
If I want to work on a table, I use my netbook or my laptop or even go to the computer room and use my desktop.
I use my tablet sitting in a chair holding it or letting it rest in my lap. Or sometimes I set it on a picture holder on the desktop while I access my desktop. Or I lay on the bed with it sitting on my belly or chest (HO! HO! HO!) Or in the car my wife holds it while she plays games. IMHO, tablets are designed to be used portably and that means getting it in front of you in your hands or on an appropriate holder.
Yes, my view angles are not shiny either. But I don't use it in ways that make that a factor. I have adapted to maximize it. As someone said, looking at the screen what I call normally it puts out a great picture.
Rev
P. S. -- Not trying to start a flame war. I just think some people are expecting too much of a reasonable-priced just-introduced product. Nothing -- not even (especially) the fruity products -- is perfect. IMHO.
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Folks,
I have a question -- what is all the big deal about tables?
If I want to work on a table, I use my netbook or my laptop or even go to the computer room and use my desktop.
I use my tablet sitting in a chair holding it or letting it rest in my lap. Or sometimes I set it on a picture holder on the desktop while I access my desktop. Or I lay on the bed with it sitting on my belly or chest (HO! HO! HO!) Or in the car my wife holds it while she plays games. IMHO, tablets are designed to be used portably and that means getting it in front of you in your hands or on an appropriate holder.
Yes, my view angles are not shiny either. But I don't use it in ways that make that a factor. I have adapted to maximize it. As someone said, looking at the screen what I call normally it puts out a great picture.
Rev
P. S. -- Not trying to start a flame war. I just think some people are expecting too much of a reasonable-priced just-introduced product. Nothing -- not even (especially) the fruity products -- is perfect. IMHO.
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If this is cause I came in here asking about that (instead of making a new topic or just keeping that to myself), then I'm sorry.
It almost seems like that post was directed at me (not saying that in a mean way, more of 'aww *sad face* way).
I was the one who came in here in this topic asking about that specifically. Never mind about that, then.
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I hope you guys won't mind me barging in here to ask a quick question. It is about the screen (okay, sort of).
Lets say I wanted to use my GTablet on a table, is there any good stands to put it on so that I can use it and not have to hunch over as I usually do (it hurts my back sometimes not to mention just plain awkward)?
I just thought there might be a particular kind or model that is the best that the GTablet would stay on securely. If not, I'll just locate some general-type stand and use that.
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This has been discussed in the accessories portion of the forums, but what i use that works great is a nice little china plate stand thingy that my wife had bought for some china she wanted to put in the china closet, looks like a wire hanger type thing cost her 2 bucks and works amazing for the tablet on the table so i dont need to "hunch over". im sure you can get it at any store like staples or something like that, dont know exactly where she got it from.
hope this helps.
Some people say that the sceen is defective becase of the poor viewing angle. That is wrong. The screen is not defective. It is just a lower priced screen which in the end translates in a lower price for the tablet. A better screen would increase the price.
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Some people say that the sceen is defective becase of the poor viewing angle. That is wrong. The screen is not defective. It is just a lower priced screen which in the end translates in a lower price for the tablet. A better screen would increase the price.
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or them just putting the screen on the right way and not upside down like it seems they did since turning it upside down works perfectly.
ok so i've searched all over the place and all i see is the actual camera unit for sale. i can't find the outside piece thats on the case (the glass piece). mine is all scratched up and my pics look like ****. all blurry and fuzzy looking. i'd like to replace it, but can't find that piece. any help would be appreciated. thank you guys.
i found the back cover on ebay and some other site here are the links
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-G2-Misc...784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3373afe6a8
http://www.globaldirectparts.com/HTC-T-Mobile-G2-Back-Housing-p/htc740405.htm
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i found the back cover on ebay and some other site here are the links
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-G2-Misc...784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3373afe6a8
http://www.globaldirectparts.com/HTC-T-Mobile-G2-Back-Housing-p/htc740405.htm
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Thanks, mine needs this too. Odd since I've kept this thing in a soft cloth or leather case with felt padding on the inside the whole time...
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i found the back cover on ebay and some other site here are the links
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HTC-G2-Misc...784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3373afe6a8
http://www.globaldirectparts.com/HTC-T-Mobile-G2-Back-Housing-p/htc740405.htm
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thanks for the links. i actually saw these when i searched the web. i was hoping to only get that small glass piece that covers the camera instead of buying the whole back cover. not sure if it actually comes like that, but if anyone else has any info on it that would be great.
konoplya said:
thanks for the links. i actually saw these when i searched the web. i was hoping to only get that small glass piece that covers the camera instead of buying the whole back cover. not sure if it actually comes like that, but if anyone else has any info on it that would be great.
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From the links, it looks like it's built into the back casing. Kinda makes sense though since it would have to be pressfit on I guess.
Athrun88 said:
From the links, it looks like it's built into the back casing. Kinda makes sense though since it would have to be pressfit on I guess.
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thats what i was afraid of. i guess i'll buy the back cover. thanks for your help everyone.
Mine too!
I have had the unfortunate results like yourselves. However what I did serves me well enough.
I took a screen protector and cut a small square. Placing that over the camera has removed the haze from my pictures.
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mine is all scratched up and my pics look like ****. all blurry and fuzzy looking. i'd like to replace it, but can't find that piece..
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hmmmm kind of serves you right for keeping your phone unprotected in a pocket with keys or lose change.
next time round get a case/pouch mine covers my entire phone protecting from both scratches and impact damage.
BTW the DZ cam is pretty crappy and blurry any way ........ even by pinhole lens phone cam standards so don't expect miracles once replaced.
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BTW the DZ cam is pretty crappy and blurry any way ........ even by pinhole lens phone cam standards so don't expect miracles once replaced.
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Umm, no. My Z takes pretty good photos. Of course very low light situations will result in longer shutter time, and increased chances for blur due to camera or the subject moving. But in most conditions good photos are very possible, and mostly a matter of technique and experience. Manually adjusting ISO, white balance, taking advantage of what light is present, and bracing the camera can all have major impact on the quality of the photo, even in lower light situations. Moral of the story your problem is likely more the user, and not the equipment. I don't mean that in a pejorative way. But while not the best camera phone around, good photos are possible with the Z, with the proper technique.
I used a mild lens restorer on mine fixed her right up. Perfect pictures again
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Umm, no. My Z takes pretty good photos. Of course very low light situations will result in longer shutter time, and increased chances for blur due to camera or the subject moving. But in most conditions good photos are very possible, and mostly a matter of technique and experience. Manually adjusting ISO, white balance, taking advantage of what light is present, and bracing the camera can all have major impact on the quality of the photo, even in lower light situations. Moral of the story your problem is likely more the user, and not the equipment. I don't mean that in a pejorative way. But while not the best camera phone around, good photos are possible with the Z, with the proper technique.
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No offence bro but considering the fact i was a professional photographer for 6 years straight and still do some work now as a pro photographer.
I have no "problems" with photographic "technique"
Maybe my ideas of 'clear' and 'sharp' digital images is a little more informed and nuanced than yours. But compared to a few other 5mp phone cameras IMHO the Desire Z is on average at best and poor if you want to be critical.
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No offence bro but considering the fact i was a professional photographer for 6 years straight and still do some work now as a pro photographer.
I have no "problems" with photographic "technique"
Maybe my ideas of 'clear' and 'sharp' digital images is a little more informed and nuanced than yours. But compared to a few other 5mp phone cameras IMHO the Desire Z is on average at best and poor if you want to be critical.
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Hard to take your comment of "no offence" seriously, as you are bragging about your photog experience and how much "more informed" you are than me (no basis for any such claim). Why not keep it to a technical discussion, instead of boasting about how awesome you are, "bro"?
Largely comes down to expectations and opinion. Camera phones are largely for spur-of the moment snapshots (not serious photography). For this, the Desire Z is just fine. We are also talking about a phone that is a year and a half old. In its time, its camera was much better (especially low light) than the iPhone iteration of the time (3GS). Were there camera phones at the time that were a bit better, yes, but not drastically. More recent phones have significantly better cameras, and the One X looks to blow away most the competition (except the Nokia Pureview's monster 41 MP camera). But seeing as every other spec on smartphones has come a long way in the past year and a half, its not really fair to compare the Z to newer phones.
Also, seeing as the OP is just looking to restore his present technology to a previous condition, calling it "crappy and blurry" doesn't really help him out at all.
Agree with previous poster, seriously if you want good pics you get an slr or dedicated rig. Most people don't carry that around. For what it is the camera on this phone is very good to good enough depending who you ask and their expectations. Sure beats carrying around a point and shoot or slr multi lens combo. Like I told the OP if your considering getting a new back then try cleaning it up with a mild abrasive like a lens restorer, CD scratch remover something of that nature. I used the stuff for headlights it was like 5 bucks. Don't go crazy I used super minimal pressure and a soft paper towel and it took all of 30 seconds to clear up no joke. Good as new and I haven't had to do it again. In my case it was the anti-reflective coating in the glass, since it was shot who cares right? Came off and pics are sharp again. In the future if I actually scratch it I'll probably buy a replacement but that did it for me. Just my 2 cents.
I had the same problem as you, but I managed to fix it using a polish dedicated to car headlights.
Thaks for the links, i have problems with the camera glass too.
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I've been toying around with the idea of modifying my phone to be capable of night time pictures/recording.
This is what I've done so far (yes, I'm aware my soldering job is a travesty against electronics, this was preliminary testing, I'm redoing it once I find out if possible to exchange the cameras):
Having been a lurker for several months (until now) I need to make some posts before I'm able to link my pictures.
This is the result of such:
Possibilities(?):
Considering a hardware modification to get a less "purple" shade of night vision using a replacement camera meant for the EVO 3D, as when it's used with the IR LED "rack" it provides a better picture and a longer range in zero lighting. I have not researched whether the modification is possible.
Casing attachment as an external attachment with a small switch. No research has been put into making such, yet.
Your input is always accepted.
Thanks,
EDB Rattlesnake
Very unique. Dont think Ive ever seen anything like it!
Thanks for sharing, and keep us updated. Sorry I dont have suggestions..
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Very unique. Dont think Ive ever seen anything like it!
Thanks for sharing, and keep us updated. Sorry I dont have suggestions..
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I had to share this after learning the cost of nightvision recorders, and learning that most digital cameras are capable of night vision as long as there is an IR illuminator.
Any updates that occur I'll be sure to post up.
Are there any led as powerful as the original, but IR? Could you mod the phone to have two or three leds on the same powerline so you have regular flash to or will this mess upp the photo colour?
It would be awesome with nighttime photos just for fun.
Could you post some photos and a little tutorial of where to connect everything?
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Are there any led as powerful as the original, but IR? Could you mod the phone to have two or three leds on the same powerline so you have regular flash to or will this mess upp the photo colour?
It would be awesome with nighttime photos just for fun.
Could you post some photos and a little tutorial of where to connect everything?
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This was an external attachment. I did not do any hardware modification, yet.
I wouldn't suggest IR LED replacement, as it is invisible light (not viewable by your naked eye). You could definitely exchange the LEDs, I would first find out the stock LED information before doing it. If you wanted to place several LED's on the same attachment, you're looking at upgrading more than just the LEDs and doing phone body modifications. I would suggest using an external attachment, given it's removable, easier, and much safer than taking apart your phone.
Pictures of the attachment will go up upon my reaching ten posts (that of which I will not break forum rules to achieve).
Have patience please. :victory:
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This was an external attachment. I did not do any hardware modification, yet.
I wouldn't suggest IR LED replacement, as it is invisible light (not viewable by your naked eye). You could definitely exchange the LEDs, I would first find out the stock LED information before doing it. If you wanted to place several LED's on the same attachment, you're looking at upgrading more than just the LEDs and doing phone body modifications. I would suggest using an external attachment, given it's removable, easier, and much safer than taking apart your phone.
Pictures of the attachment will go up upon my reaching ten posts (that of which I will not break forum rules to achieve).
Have patience please. :victory:
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Ah, i was thinking of switching to a stronger led on the original, i have two G2s any way, and i thought i could add a extra IR one to, just for fun,
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Ah, i was thinking of switching to a stronger led on the original, i have two G2s any way, and i thought i could add a extra IR one to, just for fun,
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I don't see why that couldn't be done. I'd assume that if you attached the IR to the same circuit the regular LED is on, they would both respond to the flash modes. Personally, I'd mount the IR LED next to the camera, and wire it through the phones battery with an external switch. I'd recommend a 10mm over the standard 5mm LED size. Also the closest you can get the LED to 1k the wavelength without going over, the better. The closest I know is 950.
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I don't see why that couldn't be done. I'd assume that if you attached the IR to the same circuit the regular LED is on, they would both respond to the flash modes. Personally, I'd mount the IR LED next to the camera, and wire it through the phones battery with an external switch. I'd recommend a 10mm over the standard 5mm LED size. Also the closest you can get the LED to 1k the wavelength without going over, the better. The closest I know is 950.
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My only problem is that i can´t find the mW of the led supply, i know that cyanogenmod has a brightness mode in their torch app, wich has to raise the mW, and i want to know how high it can go without frying the electronics. becouse this would be nice to add to the phone to
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wholesales-...967?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19d4ae9e3f