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I'm not sure if this is normal, so I thought I would ask some of the pros here at xda. When I soft reset my Fuze it generally starts out at about 37%. active sync kicks on, which by the way I've been trying to find how to keep this from coming on automatically, but no luck. This puts it at about 40%. Once I use something like sky fire, and I'm at 53%. This wouldn't bother me ,but it's at 50% after I've closed the program, and it stays there, draining my battery. is this normal? any suggestions, if it's not?
Oh ya, I forgot to mention.
Running NATF's v2.3 ROM
Stock Radio
don't know if this matter but, Fuzeberry v3.0 w/ L.S. carbon dialer skin, and Icontact contacts.
Yes when I had Touchflo enabled my memory usage was exactly as yours.
You can prevent activesync from opening up at startup by going to Settings>Personal>Phone>Timezone>uncheck Automatic change timezone and clock
behrouz said:
Yes when I had Touchflo enabled my memory usage was exactly as yours.
You can prevent activesync from opening up at startup by going to Settings>Personal>Phone>Timezone>uncheck Automatic change timezone and clock
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nah that fix doesnt work
trust me ive tried about 6 different things nothing stops it
*posted message in the wrong board >.<
I looked right at my fuze when i read your post. I'm at 47% with mail and Windows Live messenger open. I wouldnt be that worried about your memory usage.
Im usually Hovering at 45% to 50% with nothing running and with TouchFlo Enabled... I figure this is normal but i wish i could lower it
cool. I just wasn't sure if that was normal or not. figured I'd get some user's feedback. thanks all. As far as the active sync I guess I'll give that a shot. but i guess it only uses like 1% of the CPU any way so whatever.
I believe you are referring to Memory Usage and not CPU usage. If you CPU is constantly at 47% then you should be concerned. If its just your memory I wouldn't worry too much. When I soft reset Im at 30% usage with TF3D and that creeps up to 40%. I can usually keep it at about 40% using MemMaid and Task Managers.
Keep in mind every menu you open cache's the icons and wastes memory. So if you go into the settings menu and then open you programs folder along with subfolders. Everytime you do this the icons have to load into memory and will stay there. Also some programs don't close completely and stay running as a process. I would recommend getting a task manager that can kill processes. FDCSoft Task Manager is free and works perfect.
yeah after a reset with tf3d im usually at 36 or so
after running stuff then using memaid to clean im back at 40
i have a 32 mb pagepool, and with no tf3d im at 36% 118/184 then with tf3d im at 40-43% depending on apps, and i never go above 48% when im playing a game with tf3d on
So TouchFlo takes up decent space but not crazy space
considering the amount of ram the raphael has the amount of ram TF3D takes up is very insignificant. As for CPU usage.....once its already fully loaded into ram it shouldn't use very much if any cpu at all.
I'm attempting to try to increase my battery life so it lasts longer than 12 hours (~13 seems to be my limit). (I'll admit I'm a bit jealous of those who can run the phone 24+ hours) Though it's somewhat painful, I'm shutting down most the programs I have running in the background. However there seems to be a number that like to restart even after I think I've disabled their startup, widgets, notifications, etc.
Is there a way to make sure programs that you install don't run? Or at least don't launch during start up? Perhaps something like msconfig in windows?
Thanks.
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I'm attempting to try to increase my battery life so it lasts longer than 12 hours (~13 seems to be my limit). (I'll admit I'm a bit jealous of those who can run the phone 24+ hours) Though it's somewhat painful, I'm shutting down most the programs I have running in the background. However there seems to be a number that like to restart even after I think I've disabled their startup, widgets, notifications, etc.
Is there a way to make sure programs that you install don't run? Or at least don't launch during start up? Perhaps something like msconfig in windows?
Thanks.
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Killing background tasks will only decrease your battery life. When an application goes to the background, it sits in memory but does NOT consume any CPU power. since the memory is in solid state, it requires no power to stay in that state. By constantly killing background applications, it will need to start up, reinitialize, and consume more power then if you had just left it alone. Also, long term performance will be negatively affected, even if you do expereince a small short term performance gain. the Android OS is designed at the core level to have applications behave this way, and modifying that behavior will make for a worse experience.
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Killing background tasks will only decrease your battery life. When an application goes to the background, it sits in memory but does NOT consume any CPU power. since the memory is in solid state, it requires no power to stay in that state. By constantly killing background applications, it will need to start up, reinitialize, and consume more power then if you had just left it alone. Also, long term performance will be negatively affected, even if you do expereince a small short term performance gain. the Android OS is designed at the core level to have applications behave this way, and modifying that behavior will make for a worse experience.
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Eh, this is the first I've heard this. I don't remember reading this in the various battery optimization guides.
Still is there a was to stop things short of uninstalling? For example, I want to stop using the Yahoo Mail app but don't want to install yet. I went through all the options I could to disable checking/notifications, etc but it still pops back into memory constantly.
I assume youve tried the obvious, turn off WiFi (3G) and screen when not actively using it?! Those are the big batt.-eaters
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Killing background tasks will only decrease your battery life. When an application goes to the background, it sits in memory but does NOT consume any CPU power. since the memory is in solid state, it requires no power to stay in that state. By constantly killing background applications, it will need to start up, reinitialize, and consume more power then if you had just left it alone. Also, long term performance will be negatively affected, even if you do expereince a small short term performance gain. the Android OS is designed at the core level to have applications behave this way, and modifying that behavior will make for a worse experience.
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Documentation? As far as I have read an application does not go into any type of dehydrated state when running in the background / minimized. It can do anything it wants including using CPU cycles.
I do agree that most applications do not need to be killed with a task killer but leaving 3D games (for example) running in the background could hurt your battery. Also not all applications are progammed with ther same fore thought and skill level.
I get about 33% more runtime out of my battery using a task killer to kill specific applications that I know I do not want running in the background.
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I assume youve tried the obvious, turn off WiFi (3G) and screen when not actively using it?! Those are the big batt.-eaters
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I leave wifi on since I'm usually in range. It's more efficient than 3g right? I alway sleep the device when I'm done. I still have huge percentages on the screen when looking at the battery usage. I'm trying a completely black screen now.
Mainly your widgets and icons and stuff still cover large portions of it, so: a black screen will help, not but alot.
Also, to keep items in RAM, to the second poster... What do you think is keeping those items in RAM?
Ummm... It's the CPU.
Task Killers won't help you on RAM usage at all (Because Android will automatically shuffle them out if it has to, or so I've read... I've yet to hit max memory). Task Killers DO help you as far as battery use goes, though... Keeping the browser killed if you aren't using it, etc.
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Documentation? As far as I have read an application does not go into any type of dehydrated state when running in the background / minimized. It can do anything it wants including using CPU cycles.
I do agree that most applications do not need to be killed with a task killer but leaving 3D games (for example) running in the background could hurt your battery. Also not all applications are progammed with ther same fore thought and skill level.
I get about 33% more runtime out of my battery using a task killer to kill specific applications that I know I do not want running in the background.
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I should clarify. I guess the term I meant to use is "suspended." If a program is actively "running" in the background, it will use CPU cycles. But if you simply stopped using a program, say for example the xda app, and returned to your homescreen, the application stays "suspended" in the background and consumes no CPU cycles until you go back to it. Now services that are updating, such as email or SMS, will use CPU cycles in the background because they are still actively running. But if you want to conserve battery life you can simply disable the notifications from most of these programs.
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I should clarify. I guess the term I meant to use is "suspended." If a program is actively "running" in the background, it will use CPU cycles. But if you simply stopped using a program, say for example the xda app, and returned to your homescreen, the application stays "suspended" in the background and consumes no CPU cycles until you go back to it. Now services that are updating, such as email or SMS, will use CPU cycles in the background because they are still actively running. But if you want to conserve battery life you can simply disable the notifications from most of these programs.
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The app itself at that point may not be but the Android OS still does to maintain that suspended state.
I have some applications I rarely use or even some that I've never used but may want to in the future. I see absolutely no benefit in keeping these applications in the background. Further more, I've noticed a signficant drain on the battery when extra applications are running in the background. I'm sure it's not all of them, but I've yet to discover who exactly the culpit is. Right now I suspect it's the NPR app, perhaps due to data use?
The point is, there are perfectly good reasons to keep some apps in the background, and perfectly good reasons to kill others - or perferrably not have them start up at all unless I do it myself. Could be due to data usage (especially if you do not have unlimited data), could be due to concerns about excessive cpu usage. There really should be a clear method in which you can stop applications from opening on their own.
You can use the program "Autostarts" to keep applications from starting at startup. With it you can also prevent things from launching under a number of other situations. That might be what you are looking for. Just do a google search for the APK as I don't think it is in the market.
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You can use the program "Autostarts" to keep applications from starting at startup. With it you can also prevent things from launching under a number of other situations. That might be what you are looking for. Just do a google search for the APK as I don't think it is in the market.
Wouldn't tasker also help?
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To me, it's not a matter of "task killer or not", but rather when and where to use one. And I think it's simple: Don't bother, unless you suspect a specific app is doing something you don't want it to do in the background. Then, just kill that specific app and leave everything else alone. A Task manager that shows CPU% for each process can be handy for this as well.
I generally try to avoid killing tasks, but one night I had 50% battery on my phone and after about 2 hours or so I took it out of my pocket to make a phone call, and it was very hot and had about 12% of batter left -- something was running wild that shouldn't have been (I think it was Pandora, even though it was not currently playing any music!) So, background apps do occasionally run out of control, and you do need to occasionally kill them, but do it on an "as needed" basis.
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I'm attempting to try to increase my battery life so it lasts longer than 12 hours (~13 seems to be my limit). (I'll admit I'm a bit jealous of those who can run the phone 24+ hours) Though it's somewhat painful, I'm shutting down most the programs I have running in the background.
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Unless the background process is syncing data, it won't eat your battery. So instead of wasting your time, you should focus on other energy hogs. Things like screen brightness, bluetooth, wifi, and gps.
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You can use the program "Autostarts" to keep applications from starting at startup. With it you can also prevent things from launching under a number of other situations. That might be what you are looking for. Just do a google search for the APK as I don't think it is in the market.
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I installed Advanced Task Killer from the Market. It lets you kill all running applications including itself.
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To me, it's not a matter of "task killer or not", but rather when and where to use one. And I think it's simple: Don't bother, unless you suspect a specific app is doing something you don't want it to do in the background. Then, just kill that specific app and leave everything else alone. A Task manager that shows CPU% for each process can be handy for this as well.
I generally try to avoid killing tasks, but one night I had 50% battery on my phone and after about 2 hours or so I took it out of my pocket to make a phone call, and it was very hot and had about 12% of batter left -- something was running wild that shouldn't have been (I think it was Pandora, even though it was not currently playing any music!) So, background apps do occasionally run out of control, and you do need to occasionally kill them, but do it on an "as needed" basis.
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Or an auto-killer would've killed it before it killed your battery by 38% lol
Task Killings are bad, mmmkay...
Slightly off topic:
To help conserve battery power,
Use an all black desktop background since the black areas dont use battery power.
Hmm, people in this thread have said a few things that I haven't heard or seen much before. Specifically that killing apps could decrease battery life. When I first downloaded advanced task killer I tended to kill most things. I slowly backed off and now I've been watching what launches and what tends to come back and not kill those (mail apps, widgets, performance watchers, etc). The second is that not having a black background doesn't necessarily improve battery life. Makes sense considering I have icons everywhere on my screen.
@Shuggins - Thank you! That's exactly what I was looking for. I've downloaded it but now I have to, er charge my battery a bit before I can take a close look at it.
@jsmith8858 - Are you running setCPU? A couple days ago I noticed my battery running pretty hot. I stopped using setCPU and the battery cooled down a lot. I've used setCPU since them without the heat issue so I'm not sure what was going on.
Well during todays iteration I ran for about 12 hours (typical). I had a couple short phone calls, 2 email accounts syncing as well as other bg syncing processes. I did eat up 30% in an hour messing with a game. I'd probably have 13-14 hours if I didn't play anything (but if I didn't what's the point of the phone . Still, as much as I love it the screen is killing me. Guess there's nothing to do about it though (usually brightness is all the way down, turn it off when I'm not using it, using a darker background). I didn't kill any of my background processes today. I'm going to set up that Autostarts program and start auto-killing various programs tomorrow.
You can try using autokiller and art it to extreme, but I don't recommend this
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so i installed advanced task manager and for example i have google maps opend and i select it and kill it via advanced task manager BUT if i go in settings>aplications>running services google maps is still there whit 1 runing process......
is there any program that wil clouse for good every process a program has?
also sometimes if i check battery use, google maps is top of the list but if i check it in running proceses or whit advanced task manager google maps aint running
whit normal use my battery barely lasts me tru the day i had it 100% at 8 am now its 3 pm and i have 62% left with 15 mins of navigation use....thats all noting else
How long have you had the device? Mine lasts a day so far and I bought my NS on the 27th. I might have to calibrate the battery. You do not need the task killer. Nexus S has the manage data where you can force stop running services you don't need. Also Android does garbage collection which will manage your memory.
GB is supposed to improve battery life and given time you find your battery will improve.
Search on the threads for battery Calibration or goto
http://hemorrdroids.net/how-to-make-your-battery-last/
look at point 9.
Hope this helps
Tom
You need to get out of the iPhone Jailbreak poor memory management frame of mind where more free memory is a good thing.
Android (2.1 and higher) is very efficient at handling memory; it will do much better than you with a task manager will.
It's pointless to kill apps with a manual task manager, except in the very rare case that the app has run amok and is actually using up juice/cpu, because Android will just re-open those apps. You're actually hurting battery life (some will argue) by killing an app that you didn't need to because Android will just re-open it.
The mantra in Android is "free memory is wasted memory." In theory the apps are just sort of pre-loaded to have them ready and waiting to use in the background when you want them. They'll load faster that way. In the meantime, they're just sitting there not using any juice.
On your laptop/desktop you generally don't go into the task manager and kill everything off, there's no need to, and on the Androids it's the same thing. Leave it alone unless there's a really good reason to muck around with it.
That said, your battery life doesn't sound like most reports in the Nexus S community. My Nexus S, and the reports of others, is getting TERRIFIC battery life. This is by far the best battery life on any Android phone I've owned, and it's on a par with my iPhone 4 and 3GS devices.
Are you using Google Latitude? That seems to be a battery killer via Maps for some. Go into Maps settings and make sure it is off.
I use my phone a lot, it's on for hours each day with me reading twitter, text messages, looking up things on the web, dictating myself notes, etc, and I've only once even gotten the phone down to the 15% battery warning in 18 hour days.
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so i installed advanced task manager and for example i have google maps opend and i select it and kill it via advanced task manager BUT if i go in settings>aplications>running services google maps is still there whit 1 runing process......
is there any program that wil clouse for good every process a program has?
also sometimes if i check battery use, google maps is top of the list but if i check it in running proceses or whit advanced task manager google maps aint running
whit normal use my battery barely lasts me tru the day i had it 100% at 8 am now its 3 pm and i have 62% left with 15 mins of navigation use....thats all noting else
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P.S. you mentioned NAVIGATION; you're aware that Navigation runs in the background if you haven't reached your destination yet, right? Even if you go to the home screen or put the phone to sleep, Navigation is still running. You have to reach your destination, or manually exit Navigation from one of the menu key options while it's in the foreground. Could that be your problem?
Also, you can grab an app from the Market called AutoStarts, and it will let you mark any app as not being allowed to start automatically after certain events, such as booting up, but once you manually start an app, it's back in the queue for Android's memory management.
If you really feel the need to have something doing more than Android's default memory management settings, on some phones and ROMs I've had good results with the app called Autokiller; this isn't a task killer, and it's poorly named for what it does, which is tweak the system defaults for free memory. Try it on strict or aggressive if you really feel the need. I haven't installed it on my Nexus S, no need to in my opinion.
i have the phone for 4 days now yea the first 2 days i used it alot and charged it like 3 times in 2 days(let it drop to 5% then charged it to 100%)
i am not using latitude, i know that part about navigation and i always check to make sure its cloused after im done whit it and my screen brigthneess is set to lowest
il give autostart a go it sounds good if it really dose wat it seaz it dose
it may also help to not have GPS enabled when not actually using an application that requires GPS
Can anyone tel me the best auto memory optimizing app.
I have been running app killer. It has some custom settings (app kills safe, moderate, aggressive etc) and you can set it to shut them down every 30 minutes, every hour, etc etc.
It hasnt caused me any issues with functionality that i can find.....nothing crashes or locks up or fails to run. Most of the necessary apps just start themsevles back up if they get killed. The unnecessary ones don't.
It helps keep a good portion of that 512mb of ram freed up.
Hi guys,
I have a USCC Mesmerize with EC10 PNP w/ none of the pack addons.
I would consider my phone to be very slim. I pretty much only use the camera, sms, mms, internet, & phone.
But still after my phone has been on for a while my process is up to 295/349 MB
I constantly use the stock task manager with Level 2 clear memory option to kill the active process.
When I do this I normally close anywhere from 5-12 process's. Sometimes I will get a drop to around 245MB and other times it will stick around 282MB
On a fresh restart my phone boots up with 164MB
I immediately goto task manager and do a level 2 clearing of the memory and end up closing 10 programs with a RAM use of 131MB
Is there anything out there app or otherwise I can use to stop and prevent all non-critical process's?
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Hi guys,
I have a USCC Mesmerize with EC10 PNP w/ none of the pack addons.
I would consider my phone to be very slim. I pretty much only use the camera, sms, mms, internet, & phone.
But still after my phone has been on for a while my process is up to 295/349 MB
I constantly use the stock task manager with Level 2 clear memory option to kill the active process.
When I do this I normally close anywhere from 5-12 process's. Sometimes I will get a drop to around 245MB and other times it will stick around 282MB
On a fresh restart my phone boots up with 164MB
I immediately goto task manager and do a level 2 clearing of the memory and end up closing 10 programs with a RAM use of 131MB
Is there anything out there app or otherwise I can use to stop and prevent all non-critical process's?
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That sounds pretty normal from what I have seen. Are you having any issues or just like to see the Rom lower?
Actually android by design is supposed to run almost always at full ram/memory compacity. Using a task killer other than stock can give unwanted results. My phone runs the same as yours does. When you kill off task the systen will automaticly reload common and system apps. Its the nature of android. Unless your having really bad performance. I wouldn't worry about it.
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I agree with akellar, that sounds pretty normal. I mean, are you actually suffering any performance issues? If you're not, then you're just worrying about nothing.
Similar stuff here. I use the level 2 clear as well, but mainly to save battery. I run the clear,just before I set it down for a no use period or prior to bedtime and it saves battery big time.
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No not really any performance issues. Sometimes but its infrequent enough that I couldn't describe it.
That was mainly my thought was saving on battery.
Why have all this crap running if you aren't using it?
Technicly its not running. It is suspended. While it is in ram it isn't using any processing power until the app is brought to the foreground meaning you are using it. Android does this so these apps are ready to go when you need them. I quit using task killers other than the stock one a while back and noticed a big jump in battery and performance. I though they were helping me when in reality it was hurting me. Take a read on android and how it handles multi tasking. It explains it really well. I wish I had a link handy hut if you google it you will find several articles on it.
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Yeah, you are actually wasting battery by having the screen on in order to end tasks that aren't actually running.
Either way, my battery lasts longer. I understand the logic, but in reality - my battery lasts longer.
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I've read probably 20 or 30 articles on this explaining bboth sides and hundreds of user opinions who say to use them, don't use them, use them once a day, etc and why they think that. I really think it depends on what you do with your phone, because in my personal experience I am a heavy user of my phone, constantly switching applications and loading browsers and whatnot. If I don't use a taskkiller then my phone becomes unresponsive and almost unusable at times. I know you're supposed to stay away from them and I have tried that but it is really obvious that it is useful when I can press a button and have my phone actually work again.
For somebody like the OP that just uses it like a normal phone and not a computer like I do, you probably shouldn't use one unless you are really getting slowdowns. It all depends on what exactly is using the memory and not getting killed by the system.
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I agree to an extent. I use the paid version of system panel to monitor apps like that from time to time. I use the stock task killer and do a level two kill after I have been on my phone switching between programs and such. And it does make a difference is performance. Depending on what you are dping depends on whether you should use one or not. I thinl the big depate is whether you should use an auto kill function. Its one thing to kill all task here and there to improve performance but another to have an app doing it every five or ten minutes. I think that's were the big battery drains happen. Anyway. To each there own and if they see it helps them in how there phone performs and are happy with the results, then maybe a task killer ia for them. For me. I just use the stock task manager and it works fine.
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