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hey guys, i was thoroughly disappointed with opera mobiles performance.. it really sucked (for me at least). Page would take a long time to open, and the windows would move all over the place while the page was loading, etc. Anyways, i finally decided to download opera mini and its a world of a difference, its amazing! however to do it correctly, follow this guys advise:
http://mobilitysite.com/2008/06/running-opera-mini-41-on-windows-mobile-2/
dont just go to operamini.com and download the version they tell you, because then you have to agree to that message everytime you go to a page. if you do it the way this guy says, you only have to give permission the first time you open opera. he also shows you a way to have it as a program, eliminating the need to open the jbed java app to launch from there.
another thing i did, is because our device is vga, the font was small. i set it to extra large, and its very good. even the scrolling is much better on the mini version, and ITS MUCH FASTER!! i cant emphasize the last one enough. anyways, just wanted to let u guys know, good luck
ps: also, something that is huge for me, typing something into a webpage is also much better now. on opera mobile, i would have to try to fit the screen size so i can see what i'm typing; with opera mini, it opens a new window for you to t ype in, it's like your typing in word or something. makes a huge difference IMO
omar

I couldn't agree more.
Unless something is wrong with just my phone, I can't see how anyone would like Opera Mobile.
Just open any forum page here. Probably takes 20-30 seconds to load on Opera Mobile on a fast Wifi connection...and that's after it takes 5-10 seconds to just load up.
Do it on Opera Mini and it takes maybe 2 on a 1x connection, even.
Opera Mini doesn't have tabs, but you are saving so much time elsewhere, that's livable.
It also runs through a proxy, so I guess you could get stale pages or https stuff won't work great.
But, for 95% of the browsing I do, Mini works perfectly and is unbelievably fast and it's clear on the vga screen.
I also chose Extra Large fonts.
If you decide to use Opera Mini, here's a way to make it the "default" for opening links.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=384271

Have you guys tried the newer version of Skyfire? If so, do you like Mini better?

ya i use mini much more than mobile
btw just download this zip, extract cab and install it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=113596&d=1221663410
it will ask if u want to make mini default browser...also installs java if u dont have it.
i change my image quality to high and font to biggest settings

I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..

yeah, im done using opera mobile, mini works so good!
i also use piscel and sometimes skyfire if im next to an ac jack... ill use ie just as i do on desktop, BUSINESS ONLY!

I used Opera Mobile for about a minute....
Help: I am having a problem with Mini not fully loading pages and getting white screens. I have Jbed 2.1 (read it was better than the newest version) and the newest Mini. Any advise?

I love the speed of Mini (thanks for posting the download link), but even on extra large the text is very very small. Is there a way to make it show up bigger?

XL3N7 said:
I'm using UCWEB6 and I'm quite satisfied. Fast enough, tabbed browsing, easy to use..
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Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC

Another opera mini fan here, the fastest browser I have used, that includes skyfire. Only issue is lack of tabs, but otherwise its great

hchavarria said:
Are you using the generic version? Seems like UCWEB6 was made for Nokia devices not HTC
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No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA

im using a mix of ucweb and operamini.. loving it. the only thing wrong with this phone is the lack of softkeys.. makes browsing with mini a little harder..

I've been using the "vga" version of skyfire since it came out, and I love it for its full browsing experience, speed, and ability to watch video in the browser.

Thank you for this thread!
I never used opera mini before and I was amazed by it's speed. It's not going to be my default browser (that's still PIE because I almost only view sites which are optimized for mobile devices) but it's absolutely perfect for viewing this forum for example!

XL3N7 said:
No, I'm using this one. It says ppc2003 but it's working fine on all my devices, supports both VGA and QVGA
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This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.

Opera Mobile.. it's just CRAP compared to Opera Mini.
CONS Opera Mobile:
- load time (HTC/Opera cheat by preloading Opera at StartUp)
- lots of squares while dragging
- many times while you drag the stupid software cannot make difference between dragging and tapping
- if you drag the page and the page is still loading, you are dropped to other position that you are.. this is so annoying.. you have to drag again or wait until all the page elements are loaded by the browser
So, Opera Mini is very good on the majority of sites. (there are problem with the pages with many images, it cannot handle all of them).
I'm using a VGA version of jbed and I don't have problem with font size ANYMORE.
Big thanks to trueg. Get it from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2973176&postcount=23

if i'm not mistaken, the reason why opera mini is so fast is because the pages are actually cached or pre-processed by Opera servers and then sent to you. with Opera mobile, you connect to the website directly.

Lorrimer said:
This crashed for me. Whole device froze up.
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That's very strange. It works great on my Blueangel, Wizard, Universal, Trinity and Raphael with all the custom roms I have installed on them and with the shipped rom on the Raphael the first day I got it.
Try installing on the SD card or the device memory, whichever you haven't tried.

Still have to say yes
Anyone else having issues with still having to click yes every time you try and go to a site? If I exit and open, the first time I try to open I get this annoying request. Followed the directions exactly and had no problems?
Also can't seem to browse with this on wifi, anyone else having this issue?

cparkhorn said:
Anyone else having issues with still having to click yes every time you try and go to a site?
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Yes, I have the same issue. But since I just have to click ok once in every session it's ok for me.

going back to opera 8.65

ok opera 9.5 is really pissing me off and i absolutely hate the fact that every time i load a new link i have to double click to zoom back in and see waht im looking for. I also hate the fact that in order to view what tabs i have open i have to click on that little box at the bottm and play a gusesing game as to what the tabs opened are.
opera 8.65 also had an option to click in the settings to recognize your device as a handheld or as a desktop computer which solved the ever so rampant problem people are complaining about with 9.5 of the browser not recognizing full html sites and defaulting to mobile versions. you shouldnt have to edit the god damn registry and screw with at many settings JUST in order to visit the full version of a webpage! opera prides themselves at giving you the true full internet experience but little do they tell you that its up to you to screw with your phone and figure out how!
anyways, i was just wondering if anyone like me had gotten fed up with this latest installment of opera and reverted back to the previous version that ACTUALLY had all the good bells and whistles that worked properly?
shade

While I agree with your points, its really the best option at the moment outside of Skyfire. To be honest Skyfire to Touchscreen phones is not what it was for Smartphones, its just not that refined/accurate/reliable/fast yet. Hopefully when full VGA comes out to Skyfire we can really dump Opera for good (kidding).
Opera also needs to understand that people want flexibility with the scroll wheel on the bottom of the phone. Why zoom when I could scroll down the page and double tap zoom if necessary. Why not also adjust the sensitivity of the screen to not always zooom out everytime I'm
shadeone said:
ok opera 9.5 is really pissing me off and i absolutely hate the fact that every time i load a new link i have to double click to zoom back in and see waht im looking for. I also hate the fact that in order to view what tabs i have open i have to click on that little box at the bottm and play a gusesing game as to what the tabs opened are.
opera 8.65 also had an option to click in the settings to recognize your device as a handheld or as a desktop computer which solved the ever so rampant problem people are complaining about with 9.5 of the browser not recognizing full html sites and defaulting to mobile versions. you shouldnt have to edit the god damn registry and screw with at many settings JUST in order to visit the full version of a webpage! opera prides themselves at giving you the true full internet experience but little do they tell you that its up to you to screw with your phone and figure out how!
anyways, i was just wondering if anyone like me had gotten fed up with this latest installment of opera and reverted back to the previous version that ACTUALLY had all the good bells and whistles that worked properly?
shade
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i was going to dump this phone because of how crappy opera mobile was. luckily i tried opera mini and its amazing compared to opera mobile. try it, you'll love it

I Am Running Opera 8.65 On Fuze
I installed 8.65 on my Fuze storage card using the normal CAB from their website. I had a licensed version on my Tilt and transferred the license. I do miss the scroll-wheel-to-zoom feature but not much else as I have been using 8.65 for a while now and am quite comfortable with it. Turns out the original Opera is still in main memory (\Windows\OperaL.exe) so I can run either. Plus I have Skyfire installed as well. Frankly, none of them work well for every site and I move between them and even PIE depending on what I am doing.
Peter

try typing "opera:config" without the quotes obviously into the address bar, with NO http:// in front... many... many settings where you can change around what you want. Opera 9.5 is by far the BEST web browser out there where now as even the iPhone Safari can not perform the same actions.

what about the mobile view in opera 9.5? i thought it did a good job..felt like a better version of 8.65.

"mobile view" on the newest opera (9.5) jsut makes it so that everything ont he page fits in a single column, this has NOTHING to do with mobile loaded sites versus the full html sites.
ive messed around with the opera:config settings and none of them result in making my yahoo homepage come up with the real one that will allow me to do waht i need to do with yahoo.
i think i will take the suggestion of installinf the old version on my storage card so that i have the best of both worlds. god damnit i really wish skyfire would get their act together and give us waht we want instead of just making something barely usable so they can say they have "vga support".... bastards.
shade

skyfox99. Thank you for the good tip to configure Opera. However do you know where there is list of explainations and recommendations for the various settings? It would be great to hear what setting others use and why/how it improves Opera.
Thanks.
Joe

I went back too
I hate the default browser too and reverted to 8.65. If you search here, there is link showing how to make any browser default in the Browser Tab of TF3D.

double tap should centre the zoom-in on the point of tap, not a few inches away. For example, if i am looking at an xda thread on my phone and want to go to the next page, I am looking at the "Page 1 of 8 < 2 3 4 5 > Last". I would double tap on this, my phone will ALWAYS zoom in 1.5 screens to the left, so I have to do 2 scrolls to the right
My other serious issue with this browser is the SIP always comes up on certain websites, even though I am not touching any text boxes, in fact usually happens while page is still loading. I have disables auto SIP popup in advanced config, its just a glitch in opera 9.5

Anyone else using IE in WM 6.5 as their main browser

I have really been enjoying using the new version of Internet Explorer Mobile in WM 6.5. It certainly isn't as fast as Opera Mobile, but I seem to like it a little more. Has anyone else been using Internet Explorer for the most part on their phones with WM 6.5 installed?

I have. I've been resisting installing any other browser with this install.
I'm trying to give the 6.5 version of IE a good chance before installing anything else. So far, so good.

I am as well with my newest test cook. Does anyone now how to access the about screen in the new IE? I know it is supposed to be IE8 mobile but got got some co-workers with the "seeing is believing" mentality.

I use new IE too. It was one of the reasons that I stick with WM6 from the first place.
So far, so good for me too.
There is no About screen. I 've been looking for it before with no luck.

i don't its to slow and buggy for me :[ i haven't used it recently but i prefer opera much more !

I cant change te default browser to IE
Over the years I have refined my browsing to pda pages, (lower graphics and less DL time).
I cannot change the default browser to IE (I dont like Opera) no mater which tweak i use ( I also cant get suggested words to show either).
any suggestions

I am also using PIE included with WM6.5 as my main browser. Before WM6.5 I would use a combination of Opera Mini, IE and Skyfire. Since I switched to WM6.5 I haven't had a need to install Opera Mini or Skyfire.

I'm enjoying the new IE under 6.5 as well. I find it faster and more reliable than Opera, and I like the fact that Activesync 'keeps' my favorites across multiple flashes,etc.
It works really well for me...

It's also pretty cool that embedded flash animations work as well. Heck even Youtube works although the video is choppy. =(

I use it, Opera is definatly faster, but having favs sync'd is really nice. It is a little buggy, but I dont think theres anything running WM 6.5 that isnt a little buggy. Definatly a step up for M$ but im sure they could do alot better, they dont seem to care much about any of their browsers which makes no sense to me being as it is the main gateway for most people running windows to access the internet, but what do I know.

Jumping between hyperlinks in IEMobile on WM6.5
Like another poster here, I've have 'adjusted' my browsing patterns and only browse websites that are "PDA" friendly; such as m.facebook.com, m.zdnet.com, m.engadget.com etc
Unfortunately the new IEMobile does not allow me to jump between hyperlinks and forms... instead its 'scrolling' the whole page.
I've tried AdvancedConfig's option of "disabling" the 4-way navigation but that just doesn't work.
Does anyone have any other ideas?

changing default opera 9.5 to opera 9.7b?

ok just downloaded opera 9.7beta and its sooo much faster then the stock opera 9.5
I was wondering if theirs a way to change out the default 9.5 to 9.7 on the TF3d tab?

samrozzi said:
ok just downloaded opera 9.7beta and its sooo much faster then the stock opera 9.5
I was wondering if theirs a way to change out the default 9.5 to 9.7 on the TF3d tab?
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it should be in a registry key... search for that?

samrozzi said:
ok just downloaded opera 9.7beta and its sooo much faster then the stock opera 9.5
I was wondering if theirs a way to change out the default 9.5 to 9.7 on the TF3d tab?
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Good question! I HATE when the OEM/Carriers burn these apps into the ROM, either preventing you from ever upgrading them, or forcing you to use or create cooked ROMs.
I personally find both the PIE and the Opera browsers that came stock with my AT&T Fuze somewhat lacking, preventing me from perusing a few of my favorite sites, and wish I could look for upgrades to them. Until I start fiddling with the actual ROM, though, I am stuck looking for alternative browsers altogether (Picsel, Opera Mini, etc.), and I find the available selections are not fitting my needs, either.
I wanted to wait a while longer before I started playing with some kitchens, but it looks like it might happen sooner than planned, at this point.
Anyone with an idea outside of cooking? Is there any way to install an upgraded Opera on top of the cr4p one that came with the device?
-pvs

Hmmm, Iris Browser v1.1.9 looks pretty promising!
Hi all,
FWIW, I just DL'd the latest Iris Browser (v1.1.9) this morning, and played with it on my commute into work, and find it's really quite good. I will need to play with it a bit more to figure out what it's true strengths/weaknesses are, but from the short test I did, I'm optimistic.
Text size gets a bit small, though, and if you increase the zoom, and you need to scroll around. It would be nice if there was a way to increase the text size and still have it fit the width of the screen, but I think I can live with this. It renders pages that IE and Opera choke on, and it does so quickly. It does tabbed browsing, the circle-zoom thingie, and is g-sensor-aware, so that's cool too.
It automatically stores its cache wherever you have IE Temporary Internet Files located, so there's no need to tweak that setting if you already have IE set the way you want.
It doesn't look like it supports flash or .FLV content, yet, so that's a minus.
But it's free for non-business use, so the price is right! ;-)
If interested, you can get it here.
Hope somebody finds this info useful.
-pvs

have you tried skyfire? it's free and it supports flash

koppee1 said:
have you tried skyfire? it's free and it supports flash
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Yes, I have. it appears to only support two zoom levels, and those at qvga resolution only. I have a very hard time trying to read the pages it renders.
I sure wish someone would create a browser where one could lock the text size, and then the browser would render the text within the screen size. This zooming with the same gestures as panning is driving me crazy.
Thanks for your suggestion, tho.
-pvs

Any new opinions of Opera 9.7beta?
Anyone using Opera Mini? What do you think about that?

[REQ] Web Browser that actually works

Hi,
I have tryed every browser available for the HD2 and EVERY SINGLE ONE is TOTAL GARBAGE!!!
I mean whats the point of having a phone like this with web capability, if you cant do something simple like text selection...I mean sure the option is there but it doesnt actually work if you need to select text that spans more than 1 screen.
I have to use Opera for ebay, IE for gmail, skyfire for general browsing.
Its ABSOLUTELY pathetic that this is a web phnoe, and it doesnt have a SINGLE web browser that works!
Can someone suggest anything, and please dont suggest using a laptop!! lol
MG

MysticGenius said:
Hi,
I have tryed every browser available for the HD2 and EVERY SINGLE ONE is TOTAL GARBAGE!!!
I mean whats the point of having a phone like this with web capability, if you cant do something simple like text selection...I mean sure the option is there but it doesnt actually work if you need to select text that spans more than 1 screen.
I have to use Opera for ebay, IE for gmail, skyfire for general browsing.
Its ABSOLUTELY pathetic that this is a web phnoe, and it doesnt have a SINGLE web browser that works!
Can someone suggest anything, and please dont suggest using a laptop!! lol
MG
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Capacitive phones aren't really the best for accurately selecting large portions of text. I myself use Opera 10 and while it might not always work perfectly it's still by far the best browser out there. You just need to be careful when selecting your text(I have no problem selecting more than one page, but it's a very painful and slow procedure). Also tweaking the touch sensitivity to max helps a lot.

MysticGenius said:
EVERY SINGLE ONE is TOTAL GARBAGE!!!
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i wouldnt go that far ... i find myself sticking to Opera 10 for most things and skyfire for flash.... that uZard browser that appeared out of nowhere doesnt work at all for me.