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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
Also it could be radio and what most likely is the signal strength. As weaker the signal, as more power required to compensate.
WAAAAHHHH! Don't buy a smart phone then.
I get a full days use. About 2 hours of music playing, signed into an IM client and do some msg and talking and still have 75% at the end of the day.
My guess that its your rom, but i am betting you didn't change the setting in HTC's task manager.
Go to Settings > system > Task manager and change the close action button actually close the buttom. The default action for WM task manager and HTC task manager is to minimize or hide the apps.
So let's say i open WMPlayer, Google Maps, Contacts, Text, Microsoft word. I hit the X, but if i don't change that setting, when i press the X, those programs are still running consuming battery and memory.
Try making sure no unneeded tasks are running and update your radio to 1.14.25.05, and Da_G's 6.5 rom and lets see how ya do next week.
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I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Yo PwnCakes193..
I feel yur agony.. I used to experience shi tty battery life too.. My raphael can only sustained for like 5 hours.. without battery draining applications like music player even running..
However, Things took a turn when i flashed my raphael to the following rom and radio:
ROM Version: ROMeOS v1.95.4 WWE
Radio: 1.12.25.19 (With matching rilphone version)
It is so much better now !! I have calls and sms coming in while Garmin GPS is running for like an hour with battery dropping only 15% from 100% to 75%... !! And i **** u not.. And by the way.. my raphael's been with me for like 5 months now.. I'm loving it more each day..
Good luck and hav fun!
Too advanced for you?
PwnCakes193 said:
I was excited when I got this phone, everything was going cool and all that....
The battery is the worst thing I have ever seen. I've tried all the radios, got all the power tweaks applied, I get down to 75% battery on EDGE, only texting in less than 5 hours. WTF is this? Is this a joke? It's not even funny! And not to mention the unreliabilty of the phone. I plan to send an email to HTC and ATT to see if I can work out anything. Never buying a phone from HTC again.
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
I echo what's been said in above posts and would add as a suggestion only to try the new htc rom with the 1.14.xx radio both are the latest from htc. Boring I know, but very stable. Don't throw your device away without trying it. The custom roms can be frustrating as they can be unstable at times, but very fun to tweak and experiment with.It sounds like yourmore a user who wants stability over the rest. Go to htc site and search for latest rom, try that 1.14 radio and report back.
I use a 1800 mAh battery in my pro and I always charge everynight. Not a big deal. I also have prolly less than the 75% you reported at the same time, another not a big deal. "it is what it is" You can adapt or you can get a diff phone. I have an LG dumb phone my work supplies me for calls only, that battery lasts 2 weeks . LOL!!
wow, harsh words.
It's not like this complaint is an isolated one. There are other forums out there(AT&T, and Howard) that have the same observations about battery life. To say that it is a portable pc and that someone should be happy with 6-8 hours of battery life is pretty silly too. It is a smartphone, like the blackberry, like the treo, like the blackberry. And when people complained about the battery life of the Iphone, it's not like everyone said, deal with it. Apple released another firmware to try and remedy this. Blackberrys seem to go for a couple if not more days without charging with 3G, push email etc running, so why would this not be expected from the Fuze?
I own both the Tilt and the Fuze and find I can squeeze out about 3 days with push email, a bluetooth headset, about an hour or two a day of listening to music through the headset and 3G enabled. The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the tilt, so wouldn't it be logical to think i should be able to do the same with this product? I have flashed several different roms and radios(with the rilphone.dll) and right now cannot get past 8 hours of usage on it. I thought it was the radio but I have tested it without a sim in it and get the same results. So either the battery is faulty, or it just stinks.
I am going through troubleshooting it right now, and based on some helpful hints on other forums, am trying to discharge the battery fully in hopes that it resets the battery guage.
I think helpful posts, like those that say try a new radio/rom are good ways to respond. Saying "go get an Iphone" or "this is a ppc, deal with the battery" are not helpful to people who search the forums for solutions.
Just my 2(maybe a lot more) cents
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Well go buy an iPhone and stop cluttering our forum. They are made for the mainstream trendy techno gadget people who cant solve their own problems, but still want to look cool and smart in public when they pull out their phone. Neither ATT or HTC is going to change their whole hardware because of your e-mail.
Do you even realize what youre saying? Do you listen to yourself when you talk? First off, anyone that knows how to use their phone, and sets up the correct ROM/RIL/Radio combination gets a full day charge off of it, sometimes even a couple days. Second, do you realize that is a small PC in your pocket, and youre complaining about battery life?? Have you ever used a laptop? You know that brand new laptops only get 2-3 hours of battery life right?
Really, go get a regular phone, HTC phones are not made for everyone, and apparently this one is too complicated for you.
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Really? Listen a**hole, I know what I'm dealing with. I'm running the 21210 build of 6.5 that I cooked in Da_G's Kitchen with the .20M1 radio AND RIL. Yes, I know i'm being picky, but a phone should last at least a little while, no matter what. I get a full day charge, but just texting and no calling, on EDGE, I should easily be down to 85% in 24 hours. I know it's a small PC, but that is no excuse. I am a mainstream tech savvy person, and I mod/hack everything I own, use everything to it's full potential. I don't want an iPhone because its an overhyped and, in my opinion, horrible phone. I was never trying to look cool when I bought this phone. I even helped a few members out here when they bricked their phones, and I taught a few how to cook ROMs!
Next time think before you post, you troll.
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I think it's your rom. I get through a full day on H no problem. Which roms have you tried?
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I have tried almost all the ROMs, my favorite being At0mAng's, but he's gone now . I'm cooking my own 6.5 ROMs now
The Fuze is supposed to be the successor of the Tilt? I guess according to the order that ATT purchased their HTC phones, but probably not according to HTC...
The HTC Touch Pro is the successor of the Diamond. Just because ATT replaced the Tilt with the Fuze does not mean its the successor. Tmobile is calling the TP2 the "Wing 2" in America, does that mean it's the successor to the wing?? NO. If anything most hardcore HTC follower will agree the TP2 is the successor to the Tilt (kinda obvious isn't it?).
Regardless of what order they came in, or what phone its supposed to replace, the Fuze has a bigger processor, twice as much ram, and twice as high resolution LCD. Its hard to compare the 2 on battery life. My Tilt gets a faster GPS lock, and the battery lasts way longer, than the Fuze. Does that mean its better? NO.
If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
If you have an honest question where you need help then please ask, and im sure someone will help you get MUCH better battery life! All i really meant by what i was saying before i got sidetracked, is that if you don't like your HTC products, or it doesn't fit your lifestyle like you thought it would, then take it back, and get something else. Just don't come into a HTC forum, and start badmouthing products, because that will get you nowhere, and you should have been expecting the answer you got.
I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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If you're such a badass 'hacker' then you should obviously understand how much power the hardware in your device uses vs the size of the battery.
I'm the troll? You joined XDA a month ago....
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Where'd you get badass? I just said I hacked/modded a lot of the things I owned.... I haven't gotten into the processing specs and all that stuff yet...
And since when does being a troll have to do with what time you joined? I have yet to troll on this forum, I have either asked questions, or have helped people who are having trouble....
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I'm with leak73 on this one. I think this forum is great, but I do think there are too many people that jump on someone as soon as they say anything negative about this phone.
I bought this phone to make my life easier, to manage work and personal tasks on the same device. I thought this device was the one I had been waiting for.
I am also disappointed with the performance of the Raphael. And I don't think it should be asking too much to expect the device to work properly straight out of the box. Yes, I appreciate that this is a windows mobile device that has massive flexibility and can be customised, but those possibilites should be in addition to a stock device that does the basics properly.
I have had a number of issues with the phone - battery life, dailer issues, poor reception (and I know this can contribute to poor battery life, but why should it be so much worse than other devices I have used in the same areas?).
The members on this forum have helped me out a lot over the past few months (which I am very grateful for) tweaking and trying to get this phone to be what it should have been in the first place. And while I am now enjoying tweaking and customising my phone, I will never criticise anyone who points out the shameful fact that this device is virtually unusable without putting time and effort into sorting it out.
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I hear that, I can relate as I've had my s**t jumped a few times on this forum as well and I always learned from it. I'm not an expert at all and thats the reason I come here to learn about my various wm devices, currently the touch pro. I undestand the issues especially with battery and stability.Except for battery I don't have any complaints that you mention. My RF which I value as a number 1 priority is very good. No dialer issues here either. I also think it would be nice to have perfectly operating devices right out of the box and considering what we pay for these things, it seems we should get better. In my experience all the wm devices I've ever had have had inadequate batteries. It's just the way it is. I did not expect my pro to be any diff. in that regard. I got it anyway and bought a better battery. In the past few weeks I've tried various 6.5 roms with differing results and none were very stable. It's the way it is and I don't really expect it to be better, but I love it anyway. I've used symbian s60 nokia devices and thought some of the e series have outstanding stability and battery life. So I have choices.
My choice is to continue learning and I'll get extended batteries when I think I need it. When I get tired of the wm BS I'll go back to E series for awhile.
For anyone who is calling themselves proficient in wm and the various ins and outs of flashing and obviously has some experience apparently, I find it kinda strange that they would be surprised by the battery life. Stability can be had from diff rom combos. But bad battery life is a given with wm. we get used to it and move on or go check out e series. It also rocks! Lotsa choices.
Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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Maybe I am one of the unluck ones that have experienced more than my fair share of problems. I have had more issues than I mentioned in my last post - obviously the GPS problem, keyboard lag (although it seams to be fixed now with tweaking), dodgy call acceptance/ring delay (this seems sorted in the new HTC Rom), active sync issues (not sure if this is the software though) and the general lock up issues.
Don't get me wrong though when this device works it is everything I hoped for, I just wish it worked like that all (or at least most) of the time.
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what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
wow, boys, calm down. *****ing at each other is oh so productive. maybe we could try to HELP each other out and be friends! just a thought...
i'm getting maybe 12 hours on a full charge running the leaked att stock rom and it's really starting to tick me off. i bought a portable power pack that can give me a full charge on its full charge (Xpal harry II) but i want to be able to get AT LEAST a full day without having to pop it onto a usb or wall charger for 20 minutes. im thinknig of flashing to da_g's or natf's 6.1 roms witihn the next couple weeks hoping that they'd be able to improve my battery life. i'm pretty happy with the radio and i'm in boston so no major signal issues there. maybe it's just a sh*tty rom draining my battery?
and now that i wasted 10 minutes reading this thread, i'm giong to go back to studying for finals. joy.
EDIT: I installed the fuzeberry theme a week or two ago and that's caused a TF3D problem (see my thread here about this here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511760) but is there any chance that THIS is also killing my battery? hate the att manila but i might have to revert back if it gets me more hours :\
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what tweaks did you apply to fix the keyboard lag?
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****, sorry mate I can't remember now, I changed a setting in the registry and installed a keyboardincrease cab? Maybe others on here will be able to point you in the right direction. I am a noob at this type of stuff really and just follow instructions that members on here suggest - once the problems fixed I forget about it.
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try using a 6.5 ROM I cooked now, it's doing fairly well, i would Hard-SPL, then try and flash a new radio or ROM, should help you out, turn off 3G, which should help. Also download advanceconfig and turn on the power saving items there.
FWIW, I have never had good results with the gps, but since I flashed the htc 5.05.401.1 with radio: 1.14.25.05 I now get very quick lock times. Also battery is a bit better even tho I'm running shell3.
If you are one of the lucky few that owns a Samsung Captivate, please post your impressions of it here. I know only one person that reported ui lag on the captivate so far but the galaxy s forum is swarming with them. Also a gps poll over there indicated that many users were experiencing unsavory searching times and bad signals.
Share good and bad impressions here please.
p.s. a video of UI lag would be most appreciated so others can see what you are talking about and compare their own results.
From the videos that I have seen, occasionally there is some UI lag but it doesn't appear to be real bad. If you install another desktop launcher the phone is quicker so to me it doesn't matter. I could care less if I use touchwiz.
As far as the GPS... I don't know. It'll be interesting to find out though.
go to Androidforums.com to see all of the videos. They have a thread going with everything.
http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/120716-official-unboxing-preview-review-thread-post-your-finds-here.html
wow great coverage there, Thanks!. Is the little hickup when transitioning from one screen to another by swiping the "ui lag" that peeps are talking about? Dont get me wrong, i could see how i that could get annoying, especially since this phone deff has the hardware to run smoother than butter on a hot summer day..
Still thats not as bad as i hear some people make it out to sound. Maybe some users experience exceptionally high lag? But you say the diff desktop launcher takes care even of that tiny hickup?
I ask so much because im trying to make an informed purchasing decision .
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wow great coverage there, Thanks!. Is the little hickup when transitioning from one screen to another by swiping the "ui lag" that peeps are talking about? Dont get me wrong, i could see how i that could get annoying, especially since this phone deff has the hardware to run smoother than butter on a hot summer day..
Still thats not as bad as i hear some people make it out to sound. Maybe some users experience exceptionally high lag? But you say the diff desktop launcher takes care even of that tiny hickup?
I ask so much because im trying to make an informed purchasing decision .
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The Androidforums.com have blown up with post since the captivate was announced. You should go read some of the details over there. AndroidandMe also has a video of the different desktops and yes they clear up the lag.
I havn't seen major lag on the captivate in any of the videos posted but I have seen some sluggish UI Experience on occasion. I'm not worried about it all because of the different desktops that you can download from the android market.
Samsung is suppose to be working on a fix as this is a software issue not a hardware issue. Who knows... Maybe Android 2.2. will fix it.
<3. Thats all i have to say.
Now for the record... Is this the most powerful phone on the market right now or what?
I cant find any references to where another phone beats this phone at anything (battery life excluded, haven't seen any info on that) except for that 2d stuff from the droid (which is touted to be meaningless anyway)...
Re: GPS - of all the video reviews of GPS aquisition on the Galaxy S, the speed was as fast or faster than other devices (running Android or iOS), so it should not be a problem. I will report back on the 18th or 19th after I get my Samsung Captivate.
thanks, OKMFT. Really looking forward to your input. I think the GPS is the only thing thats really troubling me now.
I just got to play with this phone in a local ATT store. I do kinda see what the OP was saying. I had an Aria in one hand and the Captivate in the other. The Aria seemed really smooth in transition while the Captivate was fast but seemed jittery. I think it may be more of a trick to the eye because the background moves just a little when you swipe the windows. Otherwise, every app I played with, email, internet, everything was really fast and sharp. The camera takes great pics with very little zoom time (unlike my HTC HD). The phone itself seems well built and extremely light weight. Overall I left very impressed and am planning to pick it up this weekend.
thnx 4 postin that here too. u didnt get a chance to play with the gps too by ne chance did you?
I unfortunately did not get a chance. I only had a couple minutes with it as the sales guy didn't want anyone else to see it because they were apparently not even supposed to have the device yet.
oh wow, nice job then!
I purchased one late Friday afternoon (after having been previously denied by two other stores and several other salespeople), and have taken it running, walking, and driving (using "Runner," "GPS Status," and Google Maps and Navigation).
I have found that it seems overall slower and less secure in GPS signal acquisition than my previous phones (iPhone 4, 3Gs, 3G) but is on par with my old Samsung Blackjack II. It took a while sometimes to get a signal and occasionally lost it when it had a reasonably good view of the sky (especially in car navigation). That being said, the iPhones weren't perfect either and all had trouble at times, so for me, it was just a little aggravating rather than a deal-breaker. Even though I didn't get instant gratification with Captivate's GPS, it never let me down for long and then was able to pick up the signal.
There've been a number of GPS fixes suggested over at Android Forums in the Galaxy S and Captivate areas...take a look and see if any work for you (oh, and report back!).
Summary: this phone is fast and snappy if you adequately manage running programs and widgets, and the GPS is kind of slow at times but not unusable.
I purchased one late Friday afternoon (after having been previously denied by two other stores and several other salespeople), and have taken it running, walking, and driving (using "Runner," "GPS Status," and Google Maps and Navigation).
I have found that it seems overall slower and less secure in GPS signal acquisition than my previous phones (iPhone 4, 3Gs, 3G) but is on par with my old Samsung Blackjack II. It took a while sometimes to get a signal and occasionally lost it when it had a reasonably good view of the sky (especially in car navigation). That being said, the iPhones weren't perfect either and all had trouble at times, so for me, it was just a little aggravating rather than a deal-breaker. Even though I didn't get instant gratification with Captivate's GPS, it never let me down for long and then was able to pick up the signal.
Also, this phone is blazing fast except when too much stuff is churning away in the background. ATK takes care of that.
(Sorry for the duplicate post, as I accidentally posted this originally in the wrong thread and couldn't figure out how to delete it).
just got the phone. Stock just out of the box. I used gps with google maps on the way home. Got a lock in the few seconds it took me to load the map. Gps was flawless all the way home.
i'll let you know if anything changes.
Have had mine since Thursday evening. GPS is slow for me, I haven't actually put it to use yet so not sure how it performs after acquiring signal, I've tried a few of the suggestions in different forums, switching it to network service does seem to help.
As far as the UI, I actually considered returning the phone. Coming from a 3gs I was suprised how little difference there was at first. Then, after using it for a few days found it actually slowed down (adv task killer was one of the first apps I installed and I use it regularly)
However, per a suggestion from someone I installed LauncherProBeta and used it instead of Touch Wiz, what a difference. I mean really it's a different phone now. There are a few other fixes I'll do once I get a new SD card too that should help.
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just got the phone. Stock just out of the box. I used gps with google maps on the way home. Got a lock in the few seconds it took me to load the map. Gps was flawless all the way home.
i'll let you know if anything changes.
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Picked up mine at local BB this morn at when they opened! Went from 3gs to this and so far please.
Now only probably I have is since 1100am central time I tried GPS and can't connect. Longest I have left it trying was the 30min drive home. No luck just a crazy icon in status bar that wont connect.
First Droid so I'm new to anymods so it could just be me. Been at this forum since Moto days and love it
This. Launcher pro beta fixed all lag. As for gps, mine catches in 5 to 10th seconds. I experimented with location settings and some were detrimental. Try turning all gps related stuff on or just play with those options to see if any help
Wanted to get a read from folks as to what their Gut feel is. Are you confident that Sammy will really fix this? Any by fix, I mean the following. This comes from experiences with 2 HTC smartphones (Aria, and the Pure):
1. GPS locks in under 5 seconds in clear sky conditions
2. Usable navigation; IOW, 30-50m accuracy, again under ideal conditions.
3. Usable navigation such that it stays locked while driving at highway speeds.
TIA.
I have not experienced any of the above issues (post update) except for the 5 second lock, and even my garmin can't do that. The cog2.2 had my gps jacked up so I reverted back and it works great again.
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I did My Tracks for the first time today and was surprised by the results - highway for 15 miles, 15 miles off (obtained the lock at highway speeds as well) But it lost me in this one dead area about a mile from my house - I drop most calls through this one area as well too.. must be a whole in the ozone
However! (Always a however, right?) Tonight while walking the dog around the neighborhood, the phone could see up to 12 satellites.. yet it didn't get a lock for over 5 minutes. <--- This is the biggest problem I have with the GPS on this phone. INCONSISTENT AS HELL.
What causes the inconsistency?? So since I've owned the phone (release day) and it's been this long and inconsistent from the beginning, I am beginning to lose my confidence in a real fix (at least Samsung can make some kind of formal announcement you know?)
My GPS has always worked. Stock JF6. Cognition 2, 2.1, 2.2.1-5. Anything I throw at it, it just works. Freeway, walking, indoors, etc. I think it is partly a hardware issue.
Mine is fixed
I ordered my Captivate from AT&T's online store. GPS did not work, no matter what kind of settings I played with (lbstestmode, etc.). Got the update, no help. Took it back to the AT&T store and replaced it. Got the update and it works fantastically. If yours is still in the 30 day warranty period get it switched out.
Considering that many people had the gps issue fixed with the ota update or with the newly released froyo, yet many still have problems, I think there are some bad phones. I'll try to get mine replaced even though it's outside the 30 days.
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I'm on my second Captivate. I have no faith that GPS will be reliable enough to use for navigation purposes or apps like My Tracks or even Layar. The OTA update definitely helped, but turns and changes in direction throw it off by quite a bit.
About all it is good for is telling your weather app what city you are in.
For me, the GPS didn't work from the first day I bought the phone. It got a lot better after the OTA update. However, it's getting mess up again in the last few days. I've heard other people from this forum said the GPS will go bad after a few weeks, I guess that's happening to me now. Moreover, the lag seems to be getting worse too.
I'm running Cognition 2.2 FroYo and for the first time ever I got 11/11 sattelites locked. My ride home it stayed more or less dead on the street i was on, occassionally wavered onto the sidewalk a bit or whatnot in My Tracks. That's using the stock settings (spirent-lcs.com and Standalone, with Use Wireless Networks off). If this does not degrade over time, I'd call it fixed for sure.
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Keep it coming folks; seems like for the most part people's gut feel is about in line with mine. Im going to return my Captivate to Amazon and have them replace it to see if I can see any improvement. Not holding my breath though.
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My GPS has always worked. Stock JF6. Cognition 2, 2.1, 2.2.1-5. Anything I throw at it, it just works. Freeway, walking, indoors, etc. I think it is partly a hardware issue.
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Mine has always worked on both of captivates. It's in no way perfect but it gets the job done.
I just ordered a replacement Captivate from Amazon. I will then update the software to JH7 in the un-mollested state to see what kind of improvements I see, if any.
Crossed fingers............Bottom line, im not too confident.
So I got my replacement Captivate from Amazon. The second I got it, I stepped outside to see if I can get a GPS lock. I stood there for 5 minute, and no lock.
So I did the software update; which worked. It didnt work on my "molested" captivate.
I then went outside for a drive. Locked very quickly I think 5 seconds. Accuracy was very good; certainly on par with the two HTC smart phones Ive owned.
Maybe its dumb luck that I got a good unit; but it seems not overly molesting your captivate is a good idea until people really understand the consequences.
EDIT: The above drive I mentioned was in neighborhood roads, at relatively low speeds. On my way to work it was definitely NOT as accurate as my HTC Pure. It showed me about 1 exit behind; was about a half or three quarters of a mile.
I just want to say that I called Samsung support directly yesterday and the guy told me that "he hasn't heard anyone else who's applied the JH7 update that said their GPS wasn't fixed."
SO CALL SAMSUNG SUPPORT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Don't stop calling. They need to know the update didn't fix it!
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I just want to say that I called Samsung support directly yesterday and the guy told me that "he hasn't heard anyone else who's applied the JH7 update that said their GPS wasn't fixed."
SO CALL SAMSUNG SUPPORT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Don't stop calling. They need to know the update didn't fix it!
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They already know. I can guarantee you that some of their dev team consistently troll these forums.
My GPS works pretty well, especially considering its a phone, since JH7 OTA update.
The problem you're talking about with locks under 5 seconds, isnt always going to happen. It depends on how long its been since the last time gps was used, and how close you are currently to where you last used it.
If you use it and then turn it off, and in a few hours turn it back on, at roughly the last location it was used, it'll get a very quick lock. If you wait days, it wont. If you use it at location A last, then are long ways away from that location when turning it back on, it wont get a quick lock, it has to calculate where its at based on new data from the satellites. Thats the nature of the beast with GPS. My Garmin in my car is the exact same way. If it has to do a cold start it sometimes takes up to 2 mins to get a lock. But once its got it, if I go in a store for a few mins and come right back out, it picks up location almost immediately.
Since JH7 I'd say my GPS performance more than meets my expectations for a mobile phone GPS.
Started out very confident.
Less confident every day.
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Started out very confident.
Less confident every day.
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Yeah, I'm with you here.
When it came to the HTC video driver fiasco on many of their phones it was sickening that HTC wouldn't do anything about it, or even tackle the issue on future releases. But at least slower video performance than the hardware was capable of wasn't really a deal breaker when it was still working good. So I could understand why a company wouldn't invest a ton to fix it for already purchased phones.
This however is outright broken. It's not a phone with good video performance that COULD perform better with an update. It's a phone with a broken technology that can hopefully be FIXED with an update.
I don't know how Samsung will avoid lawsuits etc etc by manufacturing a blatantly broken piece of technology unless they can rectify the situation... quickly. I think their window is slowly closing on this type of scenario.
As for myself, the GPS problem just isn't an issue since I don't use the GPS anyhow. So I'm not a consumer frothing at the mouth, but the idea that I spent money on a fancy, but broken, phone leaves a bitter taste in that unfrothy mouth of mine.
I'm very confident. I put the leaked froyo from designgears on one of my phones and the lock was fast, and gps accurate. Drove from Chicago to Kohler, WI the other day (~130 miles) and ran gps on the phone along with my dedicated gps unit to check accuracy. Had no issues at all.
I think once 2.2 is released, all of the gps issues will be resolved if the leaked version is any indication.
I'm guessing it's the sum of several issues causing problems.
1. Basic hardware configuration that results in worse signal-to-noise than other handsets.
2. Non-optimized settings that sporadically contribute to slow or poor locks
3. Some kind of software buffering or other issues that cause freeze-ups where the position doesn't update.
When my phone is working well I don't experience problems 2 and 3, and I can live with problem 1. When that's the case I get consistent tracking 95% of my trip. Sometime 2 and 3 seem to creep into the picture for no apparent reason. I hope and expect they will get those problems solved.
Had the phone on day 1, hour 1 the 20th and have had not 1 odd issue. Everyone here seems to hate their device, I'm coming from a vibrant which was cool too but this is way better....
How come y'all having so many issues and I haven't had 1... Anyone else have no issues like me?
I love this phone and its perfect for me.....
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Had the phone on day 1, hour 1 the 20th and have had not 1 odd issue. Everyone here seems to hate their device, I'm coming from a vibrant which was cool too but this is way better....
How come y'all having so many issues and I haven't had 1... Anyone else have no issues like me?
I love this phone and its perfect for me.....
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I got the phone yesterday too and so far I don't have an issue. Came from Vibrant as well. I do see a little bleeding on top of the screen, but this is not an issue for me.
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I got the phone yesterday too and so far I don't have an issue. Came from Vibrant as well. I do see a little bleeding on top of the screen, but this is not an issue for me.
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My first phone had a lot of bleeding, switched it out for another and it barely has any. That's the only problem I've really run into.
My first unit had the restart problem but I replaced it at the tmo store and this new one is working fine and is almost up to the two day uptime since its initial boot.
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I got my phone last night and only issue I have is the screen bleed but it don't bug me either. So far really nice phone.
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I also got my phone on the 20th and everything have been running perfect. This phone is just amazing. The only thing I miss about my droid Incredible was the MIUI ROM.
I've had one reboot, but 2-1/2 days since then without any problems. I was a bit concerned about battery life for the first couple of days, but I've been off-charger for about 7 hours now with light usage and the battery is still at 83%, which is fine. Otherwise, no problems other than minor software issues (kinetic scrolling parameters, Qik has a version incompatibility with iPhone, I can't add applications to Car Home).
This tends to happen a lot. The people who are happy are content and don't usually post about it. Conversely, those who have issues, or think they have issues, end up posting about them, so you basically just end up with a bunch of negative discussions.
This is my 4th Android phone (G1, Nexus One, Epic 4G, and now the G2X), and by far the best one I've ever owned, ever.
I've had mine since the 20th and so far have had no problems at all. I activated it in the store and had a slight concern when it seemed to freeze up for a few minutes after it asked about synching my apps. However, I waited a few minutes and apparently it was indexing everything, because once it came back to normal I checked my apps and everything was there. Both the T-Mo rep and I were surprised to see all the apps back as well as my contacts, emails, and texts. Gotta love that Google cloud!
My only complaint (if you can even call it that) is that I can't tell which end is up when I pick it up. I came from a Nexus One and that trackball was a huge clue for where the top of the phone was. This phone is so dark with its new black gel case that I usually pick it up upside down and struggle to find the power button. I'm sure I'll get used to it eventually. Glad to see all my apps working with no hiccups, and I was fortunate not to get one with any screen bleed or unexpected restarts. Hope this keeps up.
i thought i had the wifi/4g problem but it was a mistake on my part. had the phone little over 24 hours and not a problem thus far
Most Happy people wont go to xda to create a thread and tell people how perfect and great their phone is.
Xda is clearly not the place for that. Im one of them. I have no issues with my phone, it has been great, fast and reliable.
Im just lurking around the G2X forums waiting for development updates.
No problems on my phone.
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No problems on mine either.
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No problems with my phone.
Only a small amount of screen bleed here, and for some reason I can't get it to connect to hspa only umts. Other than that great. Sucks though my vibe got hspa.
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my data connection sometimes locks up and seems slower than my vibrants connections. but i'm sure newer basebands/radios will come out and hopefully fix all that. a tiny bit of bleeding on top corner but nothing noticeable...i'm loving it....wish it had 768 ram but it has enough, haven't ran into many problem in that area, i have almost 300 apps and a multitask alot so i'm hopping this one doesn't kill my adw ex in the backround..i have it on persistent but it can still kill it if it wants....fingers crossed that's never an issue. so far love the phone....now waiting on the cable for the HDMI to come in the mail, and screen protectors.
One day 1, I had a couple random reboots. Days 2 and 3 have so far been completely error free. I have very little LCD bleed, only a tiny bit in the top corners that I can barely notice. Standby battery life has improved immensely as well. Down to 3-4% battery per hour which is very good on a stock ROM/kernel.
I'm totally satisfied.
I really like the phone and am keeping it but there's no question it has issues. Everyone uses their phone differently which is why we are having different experiences. I rely on Wi-Fi and Bluetooth heavily and LG's implementation of both is quirky causing erratic behavior. T-Mobile really screwed up the data management settings with their My Account app allowing the phone to use native data when set to Wi-Fi only. You're experiencing that whether you realize it or not.
I was in a T-Mobile store and they allowed me to play around with the configuration of their demo unit. I could replicate almost all the strangeness I experienced on my phone. Someone who uses the phone differently may never see the issues I'm having. Either software updates from LG or a replacement ROM will cure most of the problems that have been posted so in the end the phone will still be a good choice.
No issues here...
Flawless...
Mine is fantastic, I dont seem to have any screen bleed or reboots but ive noticed it seems like it lags sometime coming from the lock-screen but doesn't affect anything. All we need now are some custom roms.....
I see people on the forums posting all these issues . I never had any . I use my g2x everyday for school . The battery life is pretty good too i was able to get 70% still even through usage in school. I 1st had a nexus one it was a great phone but it had little memory for apps even when i had a sd card . I personally think the g2x is a great phone. It has plenty of memory space the screen isn't that bad compared to some devices. Although it didn't come with a sd card or earphones which is pretty bootleg to me but i have the phone and its great. So whats up with all these problems?
Mines perfect too but it is the 4th one. It's a shame it takes 3 returns to get a perfect phone.
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I see people on the forums posting all these issues . I never had any . I use my g2x everyday for school . The battery life is pretty good too i was able to get 70% still even through usage in school. I 1st had a nexus one it was a great phone but it had little memory for apps even when i had a sd card . I personally think the g2x is a great phone. It has plenty of memory space the screen isn't that bad compared to some devices. Although it didn't come with a sd card or earphones which is pretty bootleg to me but i have the phone and its great. So whats up with all these problems?
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Well, obviously some people have genuine issues, but more than anything it's new phone syndrome. Everyone is looking over their phones, testing them, playing with them. Realistically, if you stare at anything long enough, you can find a flaw, and when someone points a minor, barely noticeable flaw they discovered on their phone out to someone else, they either see the same flaw and freak out about it too, or imagine it.
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Well, obviously some people have genuine issues, but more than anything it's new phone syndrome. Everyone is looking over their phones, testing them, playing with them. Realistically, if you stare at anything long enough, you can find a flaw, and when someone points a minor, barely noticeable flaw they discovered on their phone out to someone else, they either see the same flaw and freak out about it too, or imagine it.
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While I do agree with what you stated I know in my case it is not just cosmetics it is a phone that is not functional and erratic. I am to receive a third one hopefully by Thursday. So far the first was unacceptable and the second was absolutely unusable. It is a shame as I really do like a lot of things about this phone.
Well i guess it is pretty normal, but i really just don't understand why you would point out a problem of your new phone that you paid your hard earned money for.
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Well i guess it is pretty normal, but i really just don't understand why you would point out a problem of your new phone that you paid your hard earned money for.
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So, if you bought a new car and it had issues you would just keep quiet?
I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, but what you just said makes no sense.
People are pointing out there issues to see if others are having the same problem and possibly find a solution to the problem.
It also helps people who have not yet bought the phone to see what kind of issues it is having to determine if they still want to get it or wait until they are resolved.
8 Hours in after a 100% with at least 3 or so plus hours now with Blue tooth on and sitting at 35% now listening to music still and going to try and kill it before I'm off at 9. Let alone im twittering and using the 4g net to look at some things from twitter.
I'm not saying to keep quiet or anything but i see a ton of problems and yet i have no issues what so ever.
I just exchanged for the 2nd time today, and I am now on my 3rd g2x. The first one had light bleeding, and rebooted over 10 time the first day.
2nd one had the light bleed on a black screen, and a brown stain across the bottom of the screen when on a white background, and 3 dead pixels. The brown stain was very noticable, and anyone I showed the phone said something before I pointed it out. Worst, the gps couldn't lock my location to save its life. One day I kept trying for 40 minutes and the g2x never locked the location, even after factory resets and several reboots. I had to get on WIFI to make it work. Today it would find a location, but it was almost a mile away from me. It continued doing this throughout the day as I went to other locations. So I returned it.
Just opened up my 3rd one. I'm told they just got a new shipment today, and it's out of that shipment. My hopes are high! I turn on the phone, I tell myself this is the one. This one is going to have a display that doesn't bleed. Wouldn't you know i'm greeted to backlight bleed. But this one is worst than the pictures on the forums, and by far worst than the first 2 phones.
I'm beside myself. The phone runs so smooth, and I really want a dual core stock android phone. But between the reboots, the bleeding screen, the dead pixels, the gps that doesn't work, I think it's time to throw in the hat.
I'm trying one more time, but this time i'm going to pay the restock fee, and go to a different store. If this one is bunk, that's it, i'm done. I'm waiting for the next "super phone". I read a lot about the nexus one having major issues when I got it (ordered the day it came out), but I never had any. Maybe this is just a luck of the draw thing, and i'm exceptionally unlucky this time. But it seems a lot of other people on these forums are having the same issues.
Not a single issue for me..perfect coming from a vibrant..
I'm having a problem with the external sd card on my phone. Its locked up, not locked, like password, but locked as in it says its a read only filesystem, and no matter what I do I can't edit the files or the permissions. can some one please give me some ideas on what I can do?
Im ecstatic that I finally made the switch to Tmo last week, just for this phone. Ive been with ATT, and their Android lineup, which imo, Captivate is the only one worth hanging on to.
Ive been watching Tmo for the last 3 years get the G1, N1, Nexus S, and now the G2x. Had enuff, and left ATT last week. Got out of one ETF, but still ended up with $345 ETFs on other 2 lines. And I dont regret it one bit so far. Even went on a Craigslist selling spree of all my ATT Androids except my Cappy (loved that phone).
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No issues here ... on my 4th g2x though.
I agree that some people are just nit picking their phone, but that's ok - they spent a lot of hard-earned cash on this phone and they should get one that acceptable to them.
My first 3 had major issues:
1st one had the brown "stain" across the bottom of the screen and along the entire right side.
2nd one had reception, wifi and data connectivity issues.
3rd one started FC ing every time I touched the Android to set up the phone and if I skipped initial setup so I could connect to wifi. If I did get it set up, then it was just wonky - random reboots, lockups that required a battery pull, a couple of factory resets because I got stuck in the "checking system" bootloop. !Oy vey!
My 4th g2x is acceptable. Minor lcd bleeding, but I only notice it on the splash screen and the boot and power off animations. Can't see it when playing games or watching a movie in a dark room, so I'm ok with it.
As someone said earlier, its a shame it takes so many "attempts" to get an acceptable phone. But, to T-Mo's credit, at least they are doing what they can to make it right. They've been good to me about the exchanges and never really hassled me about any of them.
Mine is fine.
LCD backlight breeding is minimal and it's not enough to bother me, but ogg vorbis tag problem is more important.
Minimal backlight bleeding. Everything else is great.
Mines fine. One reset once... hasn't happened again and its been quite a while... love this phone
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After all ur exchanges, did u get a feeling that this might be an hardware issue? (I know lcd bleeding is but.. all the other issues). Then i think it is ideal to wait out for an update from t mo or google or some custom dev for fixing all these issues right? I know when u have an option to switch , we go for it but just chkng if it is becaus of hardware that we are bound to do that...
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I see people on the forums posting all these issues . I never had any . I use my g2x everyday for school . The battery life is pretty good too i was able to get 70% still even through usage in school. I 1st had a nexus one it was a great phone but it had little memory for apps even when i had a sd card . I personally think the g2x is a great phone.
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I completely agree I love this phone
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the screen isn't that bad compared to some devices.
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I personally think that the screen is great, my girlfriend has the Samsung Droid Charge and although its a bit sharper I think the display on the G2x is nicer than that AMOLED on the Samsung Droid Charge.