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Hyperion Extended Battery Problem

I just got my Extended battery and im trying to charge it fully but it wont charge past a certain point. While Plugged in i can watch it discharge slowly. Anyone with this battery have this problem?

em2drvr03 said:
I just got my Extended battery and im trying to charge it fully but it wont charge past a certain point. While Plugged in i can watch it discharge slowly. Anyone with this battery have this problem?
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I would charge it first time with the phone off, and then wipe battery stats to be on the safe side.
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perhaps it has to do with the fact that the battery norm voltage is 3.7 instead of 3.8. full charge voltage will also vary too. Anandtech did an article on one of motorola phones.
hyperion batteries also has a integrated chip that prevents overcharging beyond 4.2v (which is 100% for 3.7v batteries), 3.8v batteries have higher full charge voltage. 4.35v i believe.

Mine charges 100%. I did charge it the first time with the phone off, but I don't know if that matters or not.
I love that battery with the Hyperion extended case.

[JB]Improve Battery Life (ICS not tested)

Hi everyone,
I found a way to improve battery life of our phone. We just charge our phone with usb cable in usb mass-storage mode.
Let it full charge and enjoy strongly battery life. It worked for me and after that you didnt need to charge with cable again just do normal charge with adapter.
Just tested with my phone CM10 A2. Battery drain about 2%(6hrs didnt do anything).
Enjoy!

Try reboot your phone and see your battery drain or not
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Lol, no difference at all, you probably just did enough cycles for it to adjust, battery life depends on your usage really.. and this is not a 'fix'.
@Ave666, rebooting will always take your battery down, it will slowly ramp to the correct value again after a few minutes.

Skander1998 said:
Lol, no difference at all, you probably just did enough cycles for it to adjust, battery life depends on your usage really.. and this is not a 'fix'.
@Ave666, rebooting will always take your battery down, it will slowly ramp to the correct value again after a few minutes.
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Hello all,
There is a drop of true. According to battery's chemistry, it's better to charge with lower amperage. Usual USB port provides 500mAh, ordinary charger 750 to 1000mAh.
Of course, charging via usb takes longer, but battery packs a little more voltage. If you have some app, witch checks battery voltage, you can check it. Read more
http://www.powerstream.com/li.htm
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm

cukierkas said:
Hello all,
There is a drop of true. According to battery's chemistry, it's better to charge with lower amperage. Usual USB port provides 500mAh, ordinary charger 750 to 1000mAh.
Of course, charging via usb takes longer, but battery packs a little more voltage. If you have some app, witch checks battery voltage, you can check it. Read more
http://www.powerstream.com/li.htm
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm
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Either way, won't 'magically' make a difference from the first charge, that is used to preserve the battery, and not make it magically last longer.. lol.

cukierkas said:
Hello all,
There is a drop of true. According to battery's chemistry, it's better to charge with lower amperage. Usual USB port provides 500mAh, ordinary charger 750 to 1000mAh.
Of course, charging via usb takes longer, but battery packs a little more voltage. If you have some app, witch checks battery voltage, you can check it. Read more
http://www.powerstream.com/li.htm
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm
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So you mean to say lower mA battery charger is good for battery health?? I have observed that 1A battery quickly charges battery but also rises temperature of phone as well as battery drian is little bit higher.

I don't think that it makes a real difference. Charging our battery (1650 mAh) with a normal charger at 1A current is fine as it's charing with 0.6C. The charger automatically stops charging when the voltage of your Li-Ion cells have reached the wanted voltage AND the current has gone low (about 5% or a bit less; depends on charger). Much more important is that you don't stress your battery too much, so that the capacity doesn't decease that fast.
Never deep discharge Li-Ion batteries. This kills your battery (Should not happen as phone automatically turns off, but then don't try to turn it on again)
Avoid full full charges. Sounds silly, but voltage related stress is lower which is good for your battery health.
(Thats the reason, why I store my Li-Po batteries for my RC helicopter at 40%-50% charge at the end of summer)
Remember: Bad battery health = low capacity = poor battery life = quickly discharged phone
Charge often to keep your battery at a medium charge level, which is best for your batteries.
Li-Ion batteries dont know the "memory effect". Partly charging and discharging is no harm.

Vishal, mainly, yes. I'm charging usually via USB.
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vishal24387 said:
So you mean to say lower mA battery charger is good for battery health?? I have observed that 1A battery quickly charges battery but also rises temperature of phone as well as battery drian is little bit higher.
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Technically, the slower the charge the better it is, but the difference is very, very very unnoticeable..

Skander1998 said:
Technically, the slower the charge the better it is, but the difference is very, very very unnoticeable..
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Regards that "unnoticable": Are you saying that in general as you did for the fact before? I'm asking because charge currents greater than 0.85-1C with standard Li-Ion batteries cause a noticable effect.
I have tested some Li-Po batteries with different charge currents, as they where cheaper than the ones I am using for my helicopters. The one that I have charged with 0.75C behaved quite fine, while the one with 1.25 C didn't like that charge currents very much.

Taraen said:
I don't think that it makes a real difference. Charging our battery (1650 mAh) with a normal charger at 1A current is fine as it's charing with 0.6C. The charger automatically stops charging when the voltage of your Li-Ion cells have reached the wanted voltage AND the current has gone low (about 5% or a bit less; depends on charger). Much more important is that you don't stress your battery too much, so that the capacity doesn't decease that fast.
Never deep discharge Li-Ion batteries. This kills your battery (Should not happen as phone automatically turns off, but then don't try to turn it on again)
Avoid full full charges. Sounds silly, but voltage related stress is lower which is good for your battery health.
(Thats the reason, why I store my Li-Po batteries for my RC helicopter at 40%-50% charge at the end of summer)
Remember: Bad battery health = low capacity = poor battery life = quickly discharged phone
Charge often to keep your battery at a medium charge level, which is best for your batteries.
Li-Ion batteries dont know the "memory effect". Partly charging and discharging is no harm.
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nice info thx.

[Q] Wireless charging stops at 100%?

I just bought a wireless charger, and it works great...except it seems to stop at 100%. Rather than keeping it topped off, it will start draining after it completes it's charge (i.e. if i wirelessly charge overnight, it will have 85% battery in the morning)
Thoughts? Is this the way the MAXX works, or is my charger defective?

I believe, and dont quote me but, thats the smart battery in the phone that keeps the phone from overcharging.
abcrndm said:
I just bought a wireless charger, and it works great...except it seems to stop at 100%. Rather than keeping it topped off, it will start draining after it completes it's charge (i.e. if i wirelessly charge overnight, it will have 85% battery in the morning)
Thoughts? Is this the way the MAXX works, or is my charger defective?
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If you lose 15% of battery overnight while the phone just sits there, you might have bigger problems than just the charger. But to answer your question, I have the oval shaped Nokia charger pad from AT&T. It will get the battery to 100% and maintain it. If I pick my phone up off the charger after 2 days, it will still be at 100%
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tCizler said:
If you lose 15% of battery overnight while the phone just sits there, you might have bigger problems than just the charger. But to answer your question, I have the oval shaped Nokia charger pad from AT&T. It will get the battery to 100% and maintain it. If I pick my phone up off the charger after 2 days, it will still be at 100%
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That's very helpful...my charger must be defective (or just cheap...)

abcrndm said:
That's very helpful...my charger must be defective (or just cheap...)
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The phone when charged to 100%, it will stop charging until the phone reaches arnd 97% then charge back up. And it repeats until u unplug it. It prevents over charging. Also, he is right. If it is at 85%, its either ur charger cannot charge as fast. Or ur phone.
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Fast charging? Is it safe?

First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?

markdexter said:
First of all . Every night when I go to bed, I like to plug my phone in and charge it while I sleep.
6-7 hrs or so.
Is there a way to stop this fast charge feature , or turn it off. It's a cool addition, however I feel I'm doing more harm leaving it plugged in all night??
Could I just use my old blackberry charger block instead?
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Technically , yes you can use any charger you'd like. You don't have to stick with the fast charger. I will though , highlight that the fast charger is optimized for the S6 battery and the battery is optimized for it , so there is no harm in keeping the charger plugged in.

You can't damage the battery if you leave it on all night. All phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.

Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current. This is a much safer approach for increasing the power transfer from charger to phone. As it is primarily the amperage that increases thermal output etc.
Although the phone will get warm initially while charging, all phones will. But when the battery reaches full capacity, the battery circuit actually says "okie dokie. I've got what I need now. Let's just trickle charge to keep me full till my boss is ready" and hardly any power will flow through, and the temperature will drop.
Actually makes me wonder about setting up a temp/time monitor while charging to see exactly what happens and when now :3
But as others have said, both charger and battery are optimised for it, and it is plenty safe enough. It's what I do!
There is also nothing stopping you using any other (safe and preferably branded) 5v 1A charger. It will just charge slower. Much like what you are already used to. 3-4 hours instead of 1-1.5ish hours.

solitarymonkey said:
Fast charge works by increasing the voltage, not the current.
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Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.

Sallyty said:
Battery life depends on the number of repeated charge and discharge, so should avoid charging the battery is more than power, it will shorten the battery life.
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I'm not really sure what you mean by " so should avoid charging the battery is more than power", but battery lifespan in lithium batteries is decreased by FULL discharges and recharges. The best possible routine for making lithium batteries last is to charge early and often. And as genetichazzard pointed out, there is circuitry included that stops the charging (or trickles it) once it reaches full charge.
"Rapid charging", in general, will cost you life in batteries, but that is usually in reference to 4A-6A rapid charging, where this new Samsung charger still does not exceed 2A. I trust their battery engineers. They've one of two things: they have either engineered the batteries and chargers to last in their first sealed body phone, or they are trying to screw us by making a battery/charging system that will force us to pay for a costly battery replacement. They won't stay in business much longer if they go the second route.

flu13 said:
Forgive me, I dropped my electrical engineering major, but when we're dealing with direct current, doesn't increasing the voltage by definition increase the current if the resistance doesn't change?
I used the Ampere app to compare the regular charger, from which the phone pulled around a half of an amp, with the fast charger, from which the phone pulled a full amp.
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I have no idea of the complexities in the technology, or how the phone itself deals with the current from the charger. But I looked at the fast charger that came with my s6 last night, and it is rated like this;
9V 1.67A
5V 2A
The 9V output provides a 15W of power, whereas the the 5V output provides 10W of power.
And after a little bit of reading (can't site my source now as I forgot the website), it is the current that generates heat in the components (such as wires).
So by upping the voltage, the charger is able to transfer more energy to the phone safer than if manufacturers continued to just increase the current.
There will be a smart switching method of some sort within the charger to go from the 5V circuit to the 9V circuit, with a slightly higher resistance to drop the current.
And before I ramble on without making much sense, that is what I have learnt
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Sallyty said:
I think you are right,Maybe phones have special circuitry to stop charging once the battery is full.
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You are right. Chargers and rechargeable batteries as a whole have been getting "more intelligent" over recent years.
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.

solitarymonkey said:
No idea exactly how they do it, I know that a lot of batteries have chips in the that monitor things such as charge capacity and its "health". So I am assuming that they have some form of circuit switch to a higher resistance circuit when the battery is full, so that only a very tiny current can flow, keeping the battery full, without killing it.
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Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.

DevonSloan said:
Almost always, the circuit is built into the charging device, not the battery. In the case of phone batteries, the phone is the charging device.
Link to more than any non battery engineer needs to know about lithium-ion batteries and charging.
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Thanks for the link/info. A while after I said all that, I started thinking that it can't be right.
The phone does the regulation, but I'm pretty they (the batteries) do have an integrated chip for health stuff.
Cheers again for the correction!

Safe charging input

I have a modified USB port that can deliver about 4amps at the normal USB 5volts will that effect my phone if I charge from it? Will the phone suck to much power and damage the battery?
I'm assuming the circuitry to limit the battery from charging to fast or over charging is built into the phone and not in the charger?
Cheers guys

H_L said:
I have a modified USB port that can deliver about 4amps at the normal USB 5volts will that effect my phone if I charge from it? Will the phone suck to much power and damage the battery?
I'm assuming the circuitry to limit the battery from charging to fast or over charging is built into the phone and not in the charger?
Cheers guys
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I don't think that the phone will suck up too much energy, but I'd advise you to be careful, because phone's circuitry was made to hold up to 3Amps (fast charging). If I were you, I'd absolutely try and then blame myself for whole life, what have I done if my phone died... But like I said. I cannot prevent you from doing it, but I can advise you not to. Keep me updated [emoji6]
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