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T-Mo have a data plan change?

I downloaded the "my account" applications this morning to check my usage. And something came up pretty odd.
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any know if T-Mo changed their data usage policy ?

When I bought a couple of MT4Gs in December, I moved to a 3000 minute Family plan, with "unlimited" data. So my info looks similar.

jggimi said:
When I bought a couple of MT4Gs in December, I moved to a 3000 minute Family plan, with "unlimited" data. So my info looks similar.
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Yea but t-mo "should" be throttling after 5Gb of data usages. And i haven't got any text, email, call or anything about being over that by 2Gb.
I'm just wondering if they heard the masses scream and listened.

i have unlimited data and such, and my data usage doesn't show up under my usage if I use the "my account" app... weird
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I'm using the one that was pre-loaded on the phone, not the one from the market... doesn't look like the screen shot though

The my account app is very inaccurate. Not sure about data, but it ALWAYS gets the minutes wrong.

Let me shed some light on this for you guys. Yes TMo has changed the dataplan which now include $10 for 200MB or $30 for unlimited. Now keep in mind Unlimited does not truly mean its unlimited as the soft cap is around 5GB but its not always enforced but only to those top 1% heavy user who are throttled to EDGE 128kbps until next cycle restarts.
BTW option94 the update is not real time as its periodic which consists of few sessions and thats how they post the data. As TMo sometime share towers with 3rd party for those can take up to 30days yes 30days to reflect on your bill. It even shows up on your next bill if you even used it on this bill.
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Considering on official TMobile forum I saw 19gb/month screenshot and another 17gb/month without any TOS with standard $19.99 unlimited data plan. So IDK they make treat it case by case who knows or they don't care, did policy change? This was just 4-5months ago.
First of all thats Carriers way of making money extra from same bandwidth. Hence the whole bandwidth crunch BS? They sold the service claiming its unlimited then they couldn't define unlimited and stated is subjected to TOS for excessive use without clearly defining it. It wasn't until ComCRAP's fiasco they had to legally come out or face same fines by FCC. Now from what I read in that thread and man that was long thread like 7-8pages or something. The user used torrents, downloaded XXXX lol, did light tether but mostly bandwidth quota was hit by P2P.
P2P FTW always the reason you should have seen my FServ spec and stats my ISP wasn't very happy me hosting my own server and pulling 3.5TB TX bandwidth.
TMoUS has 5GB soft limit far as I know but what I am saying is as I had asked those folks if they were contacted by the Abuse team they told me no as they were never notified or given warning. Normally when you get passed there quota which I myself believe 19GB is high on mobile device. I don't think TMo simply enforced it, now if everyone keep doing this they will. I myself have never personally went over 2.5GB/month usually is at 250-500mb/month.
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I can attest to that-got a text from them the other day saying I was over the 5gb cap and my 4g is now throttled until the day after my billing cycle ends...lame....wish they could offer true unlimited without it affecting their network....

OptLynx said:
Let me shed some light on this for you guys. Yes TMo has changed the dataplan which now include $10 for 200MB or $30 for unlimited. Now keep in mind Unlimited does not truly mean its unlimited as the soft cap is around 5GB but its not always enforced but only to those top 1% heavy user who are throttled to EDGE 128kbps until next cycle restarts.
BTW option94 the update is not real time as its periodic which consists of few sessions and thats how they post the data. As TMo sometime share towers with 3rd party for those can take up to 30days yes 30days to reflect on your bill. It even shows up on your next bill if you even used it on this bill.
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So basically
"unless you abuse the 5Gb throttle point you really have nothing to worry about"

The soft cap is still in place.. I know, since I'm still running at 50kbps as of this morning.

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So basically
"unless you abuse the 5Gb throttle point you really have nothing to worry about"
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Ya don't worry about it. This is done to target the heavy users in to switching them to plan which they will implement for the tethering, basically they are milking the cow for whats it worth lol with same service before but for higher price. Always trust the Bandwidth Guy

Anything over 5gb you are throttled, if you have a plan after 11/3/10...... prior to that it was 10gb. All carriers are coming up with phones (Iphone 4) to get you to renegotiate the contracts so they can phuc you.
You may go over 5gb and still have unthrottled speed but as I was told by a t-mobile field technician you will only be slowed when the tower is seeing high usage, ie. you will be the first to get slowed to EDGE speeds. So in my case, I love my new Mytouch 4g half the month and the rest of the time its my Mytouch 2g....... great selling point huh??
It pisses me off too because it goes back to the American way....If you had enough money to get your new phone at $500 dollars you could have kept your TRUELY unlimted data plan like the congressmen, movie stars, professional athletes, yes and even the trust fund babies...LMFAO

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I downloaded the "my account" applications this morning to check my usage. And something came up pretty odd.
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any know if T-Mo changed their data usage policy ?
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at least its still better than att's $25 for 2gb

I'm hoping the government breaks them (att) up again like when we were kids. It is still a monopoly and that government apparently cared about the citizens more than the money lobbyist brought them.
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yeah i hit the data cap like 10 days in to my first month. they let me go another 2gigs before they throttled in.
and man, it was slow.
im playing it safe this month and not torrenting

I asked about it when activating streak 7 and was told that t-mobile does not throttle after 5 gigs.
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They lied, wanna see the text messages I get? LoL
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jesus2282 said:
I asked about it when activating streak 7 and was told that t-mobile does not throttle after 5 gigs.
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I thought tmo doesnt have a plan that does not throttle. Would you care to test it?

Lmfao yeah lets bust his cap and show him how bad it sux. The only plans that aren't caped are old accounts that haven't been upgraded in over 2-3 years or if you are in the "elite class" and of course tmobile dealers/select employees. There is more too I'm sure....
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I asked about it when activating streak 7 and was told that t-mobile does not throttle after 5 gigs.
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I got hit by softcap once on laptop plan during the experiment (pushed hard to pass the limit), so the softcap is real. A buddy of mine got hit a few times (he got 12-14GB) too.

The only reason I haven't been throttled is because I use Wifi at home. I'm at 2.5GB for the month but if I had service in my room that would easily double.
My phone is my main computer. As people become more dependent on mobile devices they should be increasing bandwidth limits. It would be nice to see T-Mobile increasing bandwidth as well as speeds. What good is a 42Mbps connection if it's only that fast half the time?

WiFi Hotspot Will NOT Be the $20 / 2 Gig Plan

I went back into my local Verizon store a few days after buying my 'bolt and I saw new signs heavily promoting the unlimited Hotspot.
I looked closely at the fine print on the signage and it stated that new and existing Thunderbolt customers will have to subscribe to a Hotspot data plan after May 15, 2011. $20 / 2 gig plan not available.
I asked the rep who sold me my 'bolt and he confirmed that the $20 plan will not be available for the Hotspot, and that Verizon has not yet announced what the cost and plan will be.
I rely on the Hotspot feature of my N1, using it daily. I'm not too keen on locking myself into a one year contract on a phone without knowing up front what the full cost of the plan will be, and what the terms are.
My bet is that they're going to follow in AT&T's $40 / 4 gig footstep and offer up a $50 / 5 gig plan which includes the Hotspot feature, requiring those who want it to give up unlimited data.
I call foul. They should announce the cost of the Hotspot now so those of us who rely on it and who want to use it without resorting to alternative means, can know the full cost before locking themselves into a contract.
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i went to 2 diff verizon stores and its $20 extra than what you are paying now

Root; Wireless Tether.

@ lorijuan1024 - Except for the fact that every sign in the store that advertised the unlimited Hotspot through 5/15 stated "$20 / 2 gig plan not available" in the fine print, and the Verizon rep confirmed that it would NOT be available...
@ ikon8 - I've rooted and used Wireless Tether on other phones, wasn't happy with the performance, not as good as the stock app. That is why I switched to the N1, it's native OS functionality

Exactly,
If u root and run WiFi tether, u won't need the hotspot, I feel the tether is better anyway!
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Root; Wireless Tether.
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@ ikon8 - I've rooted and used Wireless Tether on other phones, wasn't happy with the performance, not as good as the stock app. That is why I switched to the N1, it's native OS functionality
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So I agree Wireless Tether is the easy solution, and though on rare occasions I've had issues w/ wireless tether so far on my thunderbolt it seems to be work as good if not better than the mobile hotspot (which has also had published issues). I also have gotten the same speeds on each actually on some cases the wireless tether speeds might have been faster. You could always go with the free wired tethering solutions such as pdanet, which doesn't even require rooting.

I cant wait for them to tell me, "They are going to charge me more"...It will be a good fight...

jackoutside said:
I've rooted and used Wireless Tether on other phones, wasn't happy with the performance, not as good as the stock app. That is why I switched to the N1, it's native OS functionality
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So you can have slightly degraded performance with the hack/app that gives you tethering for free, or you can pay an amount of money that seems to have you upset for slightly better performance.
Seems like a no-brainer to me, but YMMV.
BTW, I've not tested wireless tether on my TB, but it's been a staple on older phones with android and it always performed as well as the phone could give.

+1 Root, Wifi Router

its because its not 2 gigs its unlimited for 30$ a month for hotspot coming in may....

I doubt unlimited for only $30/month. Verizon would be crazy.

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I doubt unlimited for only $30/month. Verizon would be crazy.
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Yes, they would be.
If that does somehow end up being true, I might just have to cancel my Qwest DSL and use my phone. Who would have thought 6 years ago that we'd be doing that?

The $30 unlimited is staying, but that applies only to data used BY THE PHONE, not tethered devices.
The extra charge ($20 for 2gb is commonly quoted, though when I looked on the vzw site, the thresholds were 1, 3, 5 and 10gb) is a separate and additional charge for data used by 'consumers' of the WiFi Hotspot app.
So that means regardless you will have to pay $30 for unlimited data to your phone, but on top of that, after May 15th, you'll have to pay extra to keep using WiFi Hotspot. I guess this app somehow identifies traffic as coming from a tethered device so VZ can account it (that or WiFi hotspot does not do NAT, but instead acts as a bridge and so gets an IP address direct from VZ rather than the phone, which makes it easy for VZ to count the data usage - or it could even have the WiFi hotspot app phoning home to report data usage, I don't know).
When you root and use WiFi tether, it's doing the same thing as WiFi Hotspot, however the VZ network never knows you're even tethering anything, so they can't charge for it (WiFi tether does not tag packets, and does NAT so the IP address the tethered device gets comes from the phone, and is never sent beyond the phone). This means that according to VZ, all the data is coming from the phone and is therefore subject to the required $30 unlimited fee anyway.

If you don't want to root and don't mind tethering use PdaNet......

also should of added on my earlier comment rep said was 2gb so i was thinking screw that

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So you can have slightly degraded performance with the hack/app that gives you tethering for free, or you can pay an amount of money that seems to have you upset for slightly better performance.
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I use this feature as my primary source of internet access - slightly degraded performance to someone who uses not as much may not mean as much to someone who relies on it.
Besides, the main point of my post is that Verizon isn't disclosing the full cost of this "bundled" plan, phone data and Hotspot data, until after we're locked into a contract.
I jumped onto the phone as soon as it was released to lock in the unlimited data, like most everybody else in this forum did...
I think we agree that wireless tether is an option, my preference however would be to use the stock app, purely from a reliability standpoint.

WiFi Tether is an option, but not as a primary source of internet. Verizon runs programs that look for unusual data usage (on the 'unlimited' plan) and they may bill or throttle you. If you use WiFi Tether occasionally you shouldn't have a problem. But be careful. Enormous bills have been reported.

jaym25 said:
WiFi Tether is an option, but not as a primary source of internet. Verizon runs programs that look for unusual data usage (on the 'unlimited' plan) and they may bill or throttle you. If you use WiFi Tether occasionally you shouldn't have a problem. But be careful. Enormous bills have been reported.
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I searched a lot about them detecting unauthorized wireless tethering and haven't found many people who got caught, I've seen posts from people stating usage exceeding 15GB and never getting caught, do you know how much data people were using that got caught?
I only use it occasionally, and never had a problem.

I really doubt they can detect tethering. If you tether and visit some websites from your computer, how are the packets verizon sees any different from using a mobile browser with the user agent set to desktop?
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its going to bbe 30.00 for unl on may 15 a software update will be pushed to the phone thats going to remove the free hotspot then you will have the option to add it on if you like

[Q] 2GB Data plan on Infuse

Guys, I am doing research on data usage per month. I used to have the unlimited data plan until I downgraded to 200MB when I used blackberry. Now I am using infuse and I cant go back to the unlimited data plan. I am wondering if 2GB is enough for a month.
Following are things I do with my phone daily:
8am-5pm - at work with no wifi, I would like to stream slacker radio or pandora the entire 8 hours. streaming 2-3 10 minutes video. checking social networking site and always online on Meebo.
after 5pm - I use wifi all the way.
I do not know how many MB each 10 minutes video and how many MB for streaming music from radio. I know checking social networking like twitter and facebook and Meebo would not be as large as streaming media from internet.
Any thought?
Thanks.

you should take a look at this post.
Unlimited Data For Anyone! (AT&T) [IPHONE 2G REQUIRED]

I am a noob. could you guide me step by step thru the process? I greatly appreciate it.

well to start your going to need an iphone 2G the one with the silve back and black bottom.
your going to pop in your sim card and activate it thru itunes. master reset the phone if you have too.
then once you check on line and your on the iphone 2G unlimited, call and have them change you over to the 4g personal unlimtied for 30 bucks. and your set.

so any iphone 2g will do the job? would ATT question me? If I understand it right:
1. get any iphone 2g
2. master reset it (why master reset?)
3. plug my CURRENT sim card to iphone 2g
4. download itunes and install it
5. activate the iphone 2g with my the itunes
6. and I am lost...

When I make a call to ATT, would the sim card needs to be put on the Infuse or keep it in Iphone 2g?

seems you got it right. and a master reset so that the phone knows it needs to be activated.
when you call att simply say that you need to get switched over to unlimited 4g because you have the wrong plan on your line.
btw has your sim card ever been activated with a iphone before?
you should really read the first post. in that link everything you need to know is there.

I had activated iphone 3GS 1.5years ago. I upgraded my plan for 3GS and sold it and changed my plan to blackberry 9700 in the 2 weeks after I upgraded (more exact, novermber 2009). I used blackberry data plan since then til may 15th 2015. would it be a problem?
Does master reset really necessary?

i guess you havent read the post...
IT HAS TO BE A IPHONE 2G
if your sim card has been activated with an iphone before it wont work
and yes it would be neccessary. how else would you get the phone to recognize that it hasnt been activated? master reset.

"Hey guys just upgraded to Atrix liking it so far! Never had unlimited data before but couldn't justify having it without unlimited data so been researching the current loophole and just wanted to share what I found out.
1) You must have an iPhone 2G, and a sim card that has never been registered to an iPhone 2G before
2) Hard reset the iphone, put in your simcard, and register the iPhone 2G in iTunes. You will be asked to confirm you agree to $20/month unlimited 2g data + 200 text messages.
3) Check online account to see if plan went through, or call 611 and confirm.
4) Find a CSR that will change your Iphone 2g plan to unlimited smartphone personal. I tried over the phone multiple times and they kept on saying they couldn't do it since the unlimited plan didn't exist before June 2010. I was about to give up but went to a retail location and the guy did it on his computer.
5) Enjoy your unlimited data!
NOTE: Whatever you do DO NOT let them change your data plan off the iPhone data plan. If you lose that plan you need a new simcard and to start over. I think I may have had more difficulties cause I am on a business account, but it still worked!"
Ah.. I see.. I will be able to do it then since the I never register this sim card with IPHONE 2G. So, just let the sim card be in the iphone until all the process completed and switch to the Infuse, right?

i had a rather compliacted process. but yes i left the sim card in the iphone 2g until i got my atrix at the time. then just called in from that phone to have it changed over to the 4G personal unlimited

I have to use AT&T because no other carrier gives reception where I work. A 2GB per month cap for a "4G" smartphone is a F* joke. But, the 4GB (tethering) plan is $5.00/month more than the 2GB plan with 2GB of overage fees. Can't win on AT&T as a consumer. I'd be on Sprint if I could.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/artic...ome_iphone_owners_unlimited_data_option_again
this was the offical word on unlimited back in january. if you had an iphone and are still on the same phone number/contract then you should be able to get it back.
i personally think the att plans are fair. the overages are fair. and sprint cant compete with att data speeds, or coverage. also sprint phones throttle data. they advertise that they dont but they mean the network doesnt, the baseband firmware does. att wont throttle data.
sprint may be cheaper but att is much better imho.

Dani897 said:
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/artic...ome_iphone_owners_unlimited_data_option_again
this was the offical word on unlimited back in january. if you had an iphone and are still on the same phone number/contract then you should be able to get it back.
i personally think the att plans are fair. the overages are fair. and sprint cant compete with att data speeds, or coverage. also sprint phones throttle data. they advertise that they dont but they mean the network doesnt, the baseband firmware does. att wont throttle data.
sprint may be cheaper but att is much better imho.
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wow way to justify the crappy plan. I wonder how fast people would hit the pathetic 2gb limit when they launch LTE phones, its gonna be a joke, they better have 10gb limit for those plans, lol. No way people stay under 2gb with a 4g LTE phone, I cant wait to find out how many customers they loose because of this, if they don't raise their data limits for the LTE plans.

ha i thought the same when i was about to get the 2 GB cap.
then i found the thread on XDA on how to get unlimited again.
im currently going on close to 4gb

nkd said:
wow way to justify the crappy plan. I wonder how fast people would hit the pathetic 2gb limit when they launch LTE phones, its gonna be a joke, they better have 10gb limit for those plans, lol. No way people stay under 2gb with a 4g LTE phone, I cant wait to find out how many customers they loose because of this, if they don't raise their data limits for the LTE plans.
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how would faster transfer equal more data usage? i only use 500mb a month, i use it only as needed and i connect to public wifi when available. it's not that hard to manage data usage, also data usage is controlled by the user, having faster data doent mean that the phone downloads more stuff. only if you are a real internet junky should it make a bit of difference.
whatever if it's not enough for you i can accept that but i still think it is fair. there are many other things att is good for. if i went with t-mobile or sprint i would never have service, if i went with verizon my data speeds would be around 100kbs in my town. att doesnt throttle, overages are fair, try going over on data with an older verizon contract, they charge per Mb. att would need to impliment throttling to handle unlimited data plans and they arent willing to do that.
if you need 5-10 gb a month then go on sprint or verizon and tell me what your data speed is after you have downloaded 3gb that month. this is a phone, not a home internet replacement. i can deal with 2gb

Dani897 said:
how would faster transfer equal more data usage? i only use 500mb a month, i use it only as needed and i connect to public wifi when available. it's not that hard to manage data usage, also data usage is controlled by the user, having faster data doent mean that the phone downloads more stuff. only if you are a real internet junky should it make a bit of difference.
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It can actually be pretty difficult. AT&T doesn't give you the tools to do it real time and they can't even monitor it accurately according to a recent lawsuit.
Faster data = more incentive to USE it and therefore go over. The fact is, small overages come in when data speeds are increasing and becoming very useful. It's stifling and disgusting to insist a 200mb data plan for $15 is reasonable. It's ****.
there are many other things att is good for.
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Yeah....... their reliable network? Lack of dropped calls? Excellent customer service? Great treatment of android devices? Cheap prices? oh wait, no.
att would need to impliment throttling to handle unlimited data plans and they arent willing to do that.
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I thought you said speed didn't affect usage?
if you need 5-10 gb a month then go on sprint or verizon and tell me what your data speed is after you have downloaded 3gb that month. this is a phone, not a home internet replacement. i can deal with 2gb
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My data usage this month so far:
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My speed tethered to my laptop:
It's safe to say that the grass is in fact much much much greener and more comfortable on verizon. You have no chance of touching those speeds in the first place. We pay the same for data, my plan is $62/month after employee discount (FAN type thing), I never drop calls. This is consistent (and honestly a bit low, must be the ALPHA gingerbread radio i'm using).
You're also quite mistaken about verizon's data policies as you can see.
You're defending a company with terrible practices and terrible service and I don't think I can understand why.

eallan said:
It can actually be pretty difficult. AT&T doesn't give you the tools to do it real time and they can't even monitor it accurately according to a recent lawsuit.
Faster data = more incentive to USE it and therefore go over. The fact is, small overages come in when data speeds are increasing and becoming very useful. It's stifling and disgusting to insist a 200mb data plan for $15 is reasonable. It's ****.
Yeah....... their reliable network? Lack of dropped calls? Excellent customer service? Great treatment of android devices? Cheap prices? oh wait, no.
actually yes since they replaced the radios on the towers in my area i havent had a dropped call, i have had nothing but good experience with the customer service, there is no unusual treatment of android devices, verizon has been know to change search engines as well, sprint and verizon charge to tether, sprint and verizon have more useless bloat, if you really look at what you get you see they are all comaparble. att hate is a bit misguided. and my bill is no more than it would be on sprint and the customer service is better. maybe t-mobile would be great if they had better coverage but they dont.
I thought you said speed didn't affect usage?
it does when it is soo slow that it pisses you off and you give up. not the case on 3g without throttling.
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it is great to see you are a heavy user, but this does not represent a cross section of america, maybe att is too limited for you, im not saying it is not. but you dont represent the majority of att's customers.
It's safe to say that the grass is in fact much much much greener and more comfortable on verizon. You have no chance of touching those speeds in the first place. We pay the same for data, my plan is $62/month after employee discount (FAN type thing), I never drop calls. This is consistent (and honestly a bit low, must be the ALPHA gingerbread radio i'm using).
You're also quite mistaken about verizon's data policies as you can see.
You're defending a company with terrible practices and terrible service and I don't think I can understand why.
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verizon has ****ty data coverage in my area. i have thought about switching many times. i understand lte is superior. but i cant get it on any network except metro pcs in the ghetto of newburg. also they needed to mirror att's plans because of there reputation for being over priced. they didnt want to scare off the att customers coming over. the insurance is much more expensive and they lie in their advertising. 15% vetrans discount my ass, they advertise it with no stipulations and when you go to the store they say you need a government email, have to apply online and it can be 8%-15%. i told att about verizons discount and they gave me a military discount i wasn't even entitled to get with no pain or argument. just a photo copy of my government id card that clearly indicated i was a vetran not an active duty member.
if verizon is better for you then go for it, i dont care but with all the att hate i feel people havent looked at all the facts. sometimes att is better in one area of another. i can get 7mbps on att. on verizon i see under 1mbps on my friends phones, there is no contest there being that the billing is identical for people still on the old iphone plans

They will have to pry my unlimited data plan from my cold dead hands.
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How to tether without Verizon finding out (unlimited data customer)

I'm on grandfathered unlimited data plan. running Synergy ROM, and wondering what is the best way to tether without getting busted by Verizon.

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I'm on grandfathered unlimited data plan. running Synergy ROM, and wondering what is the best way to tether without getting busted by Verizon.
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I've been tethering for close to three years, on the original Droid, the Droid Charge, and now the GS3, using Wifi Tether. I always did it infrequently, I don't torrent over it, and didn't use a stupid amount of data (except for a month when I moved and had no home internet). I've never gotten any indication that Verizon knows or wants to do anything about it.
Has anyone, ever, actually reported getting busted? Have any actual people been punished?

According to the recent FCC ruling Verizon can't charge you extra for tethering. They had to pay out cash and all.
I wouldn't worry about it as long as you don't disrupt their network. In other words, don't torrent or transfer 30+ gigs...
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honestly as far as getting busted or what not you don't have to worry about that since their are only a few people who actually still have that plan the only thing you have to worry about is any upcoming plan change and such but you have 2 years for that enjoy.

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According to the recent FCC ruling Verizon can't charge you extra for tethering. They had to pay out cash and all.
I wouldn't worry about it as long as you don't disrupt their network. In other words, don't torrent or transfer 30+ gigs...
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The FCC ruling only prevents them from charging for tethering on capped data plans. This does not apply to unlimited plans. That being said, I haven't heard of Verizon busting people for tethering. Like an earlier poster, I've been tethering for years and have not had any problems. I've never used more than about 6 GB in a billing cycle though.
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The FCC ruling only prevents them from charging for tethering on capped data plans. This does not apply to unlimited plans. That being said, I haven't heard of Verizon busting people for tethering. Like an earlier poster, I've been tethering for years and have not had any problems. I've never used more than about 6 GB in a billing cycle though.
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I read the ruling as they couldn't charge for it regardless. Plus shared everything plans include tethering at no additional charge.
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just use foxfi, that's what I've been using since I got the phone. My brother has been using it on his Galaxy Nexus for the last few months. And here's the good thing, you don't have to be rooted.

Short of sniffing your traffic and looking at your running applications list on your phone I don't see how they could know. They can speculate by data usage, but I think that's about it.
I've seen peoples posts where they swear VZW will know, and I always inquire "How?" and have yet to get an answer. Propaganda and rhetoric.
Don't sweat it, just do it!

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I read the ruling as they couldn't charge for it regardless. Plus shared everything plans include tethering at no additional charge.
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If you read the fine print the unlimited plans state you have unlimited data for one device, using your computer to receive data over 4G/3G constitutes another device there for its not part of the contract you signed when receiving the unlimited data package

Jarredw said:
If you read the fine print the unlimited plans state you have unlimited data for one device, using your computer to receive data over 4G/3G constitutes another device there for its not part of the contract you signed when receiving the unlimited data package
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Lets set aside the legality of it and whether it's morally correct or **** about the contract and get to the real question.
Can they actually catch you and can they prove it?

Meh, I just use WiFi Tether. Works great. I really only use it for Netflix streamed from my PS3. Used 32g the first month. When you look at data usage on the phone though it never comes up as the application using any data. Like ^^ they said, I don't think there is any way for them to prove you are tethering. Honestly using Spotify, streaming "Extreme Quality" while driving, at the gym, breaks at work, cooking throughout the day I can use close to a gig every day. Kind of a music junkie, but nevertheless, using it for a perfectly legitimate reason with a legitimate app I can burn through a fair amount. I think if you start getting up higher (100+/month) then maybe you could come up on their radar, but they'll have no way to prove anything. If you aren't rooted use FoxFi.

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I read the ruling as they couldn't charge for it regardless. Plus shared everything plans include tethering at no additional charge.
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Read it again (http://www.fcc.gov/document/verizon-wireless-pay-125-million-settle-investigation). Toward the end of the document it states "consumers on usage-based pricing plans may tether, using any application, without paying an additional fee." Unlimited data plans are not usage-based, so they are not prohibited by this ruling from charging for tethering on these plans.

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Short of sniffing your traffic and looking at your running applications list on your phone I don't see how they could know. They can speculate by data usage, but I think that's about it.
I've seen peoples posts where they swear VZW will know, and I always inquire "How?" and have yet to get an answer. Propaganda and rhetoric.
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It's plausible they could look at your number of connections to determine whether you're running some P2P, which is technically against their ToS whether it's on your phone or tethered.
They could also plausibly look at your traffic's destination and determine whether it's somewhere a phone "should" be going. In the way-back-times when Netflix didn't have their Android app out yet, I was concerned an investigation into my data usage would suggest I had been tethering.
And of course, there was that Carrier IQ debacle. I wouldn't scoff at "looking at your running applications list on your phone"; that software package certainly had exactly that capability. It apparently was never on any VZW devices, but if you aren't running something AOSP-based, there's a technical possibility something unexpected could be phoning home.
Okay, /tinfoilhat. I don't honestly think Verizon is looking for or punishing illicit tethering, except possibly in the most egregious cases. It's too much overhead and bad PR to boot. I have no inside information, though; that's my reasonable, slightly-informed opinion.
If you're using less that, say, I dunno, 10GB/month, I'm fairly certain you can do whatever the heck you please, indefinitely, without getting any sort of red flags. People here have certainly pushed it further than that.

I could care less what other people do with their unlimited data, but using 100 gigs a month & then bragging about it on a site like (like the DB who has it in his avatar) is just asking for trouble I would think.
On the unlimited plan, it is a clear TOS violation to tether any other system to your phone. I have never heard of VZ actually enforcing that, but when I tether I try not to use an outrageous amount of data to raise a red flag on my account & give VZ an excuse to take away my unlimited data plan.
I was using my Slingbox on my phone one time at work when our VZ corporate rep showed up. Our rep is a hot chic & she's cool as hell.
When she saw what I was doing, she asked a few tech questions about it & then laughed and said "just remember, apps like Slingbox are not supported by Verizon" She could care less what I was doing, but she went on to say that it was technically a TOS violation & to just be careful not to go absolutely crazy on the data use or you may end up losing your data package at some point.

Unlimited Plan Tethering
I've read through all this, but would still like y'alls opinion in my case.
I currently have AT&T U-verse internet max at home. It gets me about 8 Mbps DOWN, and 1.5 UP (if I'm lucky.) It costs me $48 +tax per month. I'm unemployed and looking to save everywhere, so that's a lot of bones.
I have the VZN 4G Bionic and was Grandfathered in from Alltel with Unlimited data. The Bionic is NOT rooted and I just I just discovered FoxFi. WOO HOO! Now my Xoom IS ROOTED but the 4G plan isn't activated. Just for S&G's, I am wirelessly tethering my home PC AND MY Xoom to the Bionic. The native USB tethering cable also worked on my PC. This just tickles the crap out of me that I can do this. Not only does it work, but I'm getting fantastic WIRELESS 4G speeds (per speedtest.net
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This is so much faster and better than U-verses internet, that I wonder... YES, wait for it because I'm going to ask... Do you folks think that it would be inadvisable to just turn off U-verse and go totally tethered? Yes, I am aware of the implications, e.g., I'd need to keep my phone plugged-in or face battery drain. I live alone, so don't internet need it when not here.
About red flags, so far I've been consuming about a 2-4 GB per month on my phone, so I know that when I start using my PC, I'm guessing that would go WAAAAY up. I could try to manage keeping the PC untethered except when I'm on it. If they question me, couldn't I just say I'm a recent Netflix and Pandora whore or something?
What's the worse that could happen? I turn U-verse back on?
What say y'all?

From what I understand verizon has stopped charging for that all together
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They can tell if you're tethering by examining the TTL (time to live) field of your packets. If they're not the default sent out by android, then that means they originated one or more hops earlier than the android device.

I think the REAL QUESTION IS has anybody anywhere ever heard of VZ actually cracked down on anybody for doing this? (I know I never have)

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I think the REAL QUESTION IS has anybody anywhere ever heard of VZ actually cracked down on anybody for doing this? (I know I never have)
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No one has. There was a funny little story a few years back of a guy who was supposedly bragging and talking other people into tethering and 2 VZW goons showed up at his house and strongarmed him into signing a contract stating his phone would be stopped at 4 or 5 gigs a month. At the time though that was when VZW was still offering unlimited, and the story was later admitted to be false so...
I have use wired and wireless tethering on my RAZR MAXX, steam downloads Netflix torrents etc, and got up to around 10 gigs and stopped but seriously if you don't go crazy chances are nothing will happen. If you torrent and they confront you you can say you were downloading the via one of the torrent programs on the market. The only thing I did that I could never really think of an excuse for, if they had ever asked, was steam.
But as with everything YMMV.

I've seen someone on verizons unlimited data tether and end up using 90 gigs in one cycle downloading torrents and music. He didn't get a letter or any notification from Verizon telling him to knock it off. Granted that was only one month.

T-Mobile

Anyone here using T-Mobile? I have been using Aio Wireless, but since I generally go over 2GB I have been using the PRO option. It's $70 a month and you get only 7GB of usable data(then they throttle you so bad you can't even read an email). If i switch to T-Mobile pre-paid account(which are identical to post-paid now that they killed all contracts) I can get Unlimited LTE for the same price. So my question isn't about the network which I know varies by town, it's about the carrier in general. Do they throttle? Cap ya? On AIO for example I am hard-capped at well below what post-paid AT&T people can get. How are they on OTAs? I don't know how that works exactly with a Nexus device on a post-paid carrier I have always used an MVNO. Any insight as to how they operate and do business would be very helpful!

NO
Well maybe.
Check the tmobile threads

There's plenty of t-mobile threads. Pick your poison.
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if you get the completely unlimited high speed data package($70 unlimited everything and high speed data) then there is no throttling data speed. i have two weeks left on my cycle
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simms22 said:
if you get the completely unlimited high speed data package($70 unlimited everything and high speed data) then there is no throttling data speed. i have two weeks left on my cycle
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AWESOME that's exactly what I needed to know! They just turned on LTE here in my town recently so I'll find out about the coverage. The map is telling me its wall-to-wall city wide with no blindspots. At any rate it won't hurt to check them out for a month now that I know the speeds aren't throttled and they don't yell about hotspot usage.

Landara said:
AWESOME that's exactly what I needed to know! They just turned on LTE here in my town recently so I'll find out about the coverage. The map is telling me its wall-to-wall city wide with no blindspots. At any rate it won't hurt to check them out for a month now that I know the speeds aren't throttled and they don't yell about hotspot usage.
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Go prepaid for a month. I checked their coverage map and it said the same thing about my area. Bought the N5 from them as soon as it came in. Haven't seen LTE once at my house. I called plenty of times, but no progress.
What's this about them killing contracts? I signed a 2 year plan that I'm currently trying to get out of because their service is garbage, despite what their coverage map says.

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if you get the completely unlimited high speed data package($70 unlimited everything and high speed data) then there is no throttling data speed. i have two weeks left on my cycle
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Holy moly, 17 gigabytes! What do you do on your phone that's so data-intensive?

RoyJ said:
Go prepaid for a month. I checked their coverage map and it said the same thing about my area. Bought the N5 from them as soon as it came in. Haven't seen LTE once at my house. I called plenty of times, but no progress.
What's this about them killing contracts? I signed a 2 year plan that I'm currently trying to get out of because their service is garbage, despite what their coverage map says.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57576023-94/t-mobile-kills-off-the-wireless-contract/
As I understand it, T-Mobile contracts no longer exist. But if you got into one prior to this change, you are probably stuck.

RoyJ said:
Go prepaid for a month. I checked their coverage map and it said the same thing about my area. Bought the N5 from them as soon as it came in. Haven't seen LTE once at my house. I called plenty of times, but no progress.
What's this about them killing contracts? I signed a 2 year plan that I'm currently trying to get out of because their service is garbage, despite what their coverage map says.
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call them and change your plan to one of the no contract plans, theyll gladly change you. then a month later, go to another provider. i was 7 months into a two year contract when i called and changed my plan to a no contract plan several months ago, and ive changed it several times since. now im just all unlimited.
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Holy moly, 17 gigabytes! What do you do on your phone that's so data-intensive?
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stream music(high quality), stream and download an occasion movie, download rom/kernel uodates often, hang out on xda, download rom/kernel updates for my nexus 4/nexus 7, keep my apps updated(2gb games too), keep my two other nexii apps updated.. i can go on. basically i use my nexus the way its meant to be used. and on top of that, i have 25-40mbps download/23mbps+ upload lte speeds. thats why all data plans should be unlimited, so people could use their devices how they were meant to be used.

simms22 said:
call them and change your plan to one of the no contract plans, theyll gladly change you. then a month later, go to another provider. i was 7 months into a two year contract when i called and changed my plan to a no contract plan several months ago, and ive changed it several times since. now im just all unlimited.
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stream music(high quality), stream and download an occasion movie, download rom/kernel uodates often, hang out on xda, download rom/kernel updates for my nexus 4/nexus 7, keep my apps updated(2gb games too), keep my two other nexii apps updated.. i can go on. basically i use my nexus the way its meant to be used. and on top of that, i have 25-40mbps download/23mbps+ upload lte speeds. thats why all data plans should be unlimited, so people could use their devices how they were meant to be used.
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That story makes me want to do business with them. I know they had little choice in the matter, but their desperation for our business has forced them to be so nice and easy to deal with that comparing them to Big Red or Ole Blue there is just no comparison anymore. I find myself pulling for them, and who would have thought I'd ever pull for a wireless company?

Landara said:
Anyone here using T-Mobile? ... If i switch to T-Mobile pre-paid account(which are identical to post-paid now that they killed all contracts) I can get Unlimited LTE for the same price...Do they throttle? Cap ya? ...
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While the plans are the same for pre and post paid, they are a little different in that post paid plans will take preference when there is network congestion. The T-Mobile web site tells you that. I found the download speeds were generally the same for both plans but the upload speeds were a lot faster on postpaid. The upload test on pre paid would start fast then quickly switch to a much slower speed. Not a big deal for me as I think most apps benefit from faster download speeds. No caps as far as I know.