I want a Class 6 one. But I think over $50 on newegg is too expensive.
8GB for $15-20 on newegg... and the 16GB is double in space but more than double in price.
Where'd you get your 16GB Class 6 and how much?
Newegg ... $55-$60.
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Newegg ... $55-$60.
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$60 A-Data from newegg
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$60 A-Data from newegg
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Yeah, Adata is the one I got, just couldn't remember the price exactly.
in one of these SD card threads, someone posted their result that a class 2 was just as fast as a class 6 for USB transfers. Do we really need class 6? can our phones even utilize the faster speed?
i'm with minty on this. you won't rly notice the difference. i've been using a class 2 sandisk 16gb since the day it was released about a year and a half ago. I don't regret spending that money at all, it's been with me with the g1, and now the nexus. File transfers are plenty fast and it hasn't skipped a heartbeat. I've had some dud flash memory cards in the past and they have all been cheaper cards. all of my transcend and sandisk cards are still going strong after years of use, so just go for one of those imho.
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i'm with minty on this. you won't rly notice the difference. i've been using a class 2 sandisk 16gb since the day it was released about a year and a half ago. I don't regret spending that money at all, it's been with me with the g1, and now the nexus. File transfers are plenty fast and it hasn't skipped a heartbeat. I've had some dud flash memory cards in the past and they have all been cheaper cards. all of my transcend and sandisk cards are still going strong after years of use, so just go for one of those imho.
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do you happen to be running the latest CM mod with 720p video recording? I'm holding back on buying a sandisk 16g class 2 because i'm worried about write speeds/some crazy error.
sandisk 16gb class2
heres one for about 30bucks. a lot of good reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Memory-SDSDQ-016G-Packaging/dp/B001L1H0SC
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in one of these SD card threads, someone posted their result that a class 2 was just as fast as a class 6 for USB transfers. Do we really need class 6? can our phones even utilize the faster speed?
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The throughput of USB transfer might only be <2mb/sec max, but that's not necessarily the same for the internal bus transfer speeds.
I imagine, internally, it's faster. Even if it isn't, (IMO) a Class6 is more "future proof".
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heres one for about 30bucks. a lot of good reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-microSDHC-Memory-SDSDQ-016G-Packaging/dp/B001L1H0SC
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That link doesn't work...in fact,none of Amazon's links for products do! :| I'm going to side with Namuna,and say it may not be faster,but it may work with newer devices.
Holy crap, the 16gb AData card I got from Newegg I've had for awhile just filled up. It said it was 15.9gb out of 16gb but when I counted up all the files on the sd card they totalled just below 4gb.
I'm surprised Newegg would be selling fakes.
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do you happen to be running the latest CM mod with 720p video recording? I'm holding back on buying a sandisk 16g class 2 because i'm worried about write speeds/some crazy error.
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nope, but if that feature is in the first beta release of cm-6 then I will try it and let you know since i'll get overly excited as usual and install it right away.
I bought a Kingston 16gb Class10 two months ago.
It's about USD 90-95 in eBay.
I have no problem with 720p video recording.
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Maybe more of a general q... but, have you seen any 32GB cards for sale yet?
havent seen one for sale yet.. they need to come out with more 16gb micro sdhc cards at a higher speed classes.. class 2 cards are slower than class 6 and ive only seen an A-Data class 6 memory card..
They were supposed to release 'Summer 2009', but I have yet to even see one hit ebay, which is where they mostly come first. Maybe the Nexus will speed that up a bit and they will finally get released since there is demand for them.
i am interested in one also
N1 + 32gig SDHC will finally replace my rapidly failing iPod.
Well, as soon at the cards hit the market.
forget the 32gb class 6. Wait and get the new MicroSDXC thats to be released sometime soon. up to 2TB and class 10. Although not sure if the nexus will be able to support that much but i dont see why not.
The nexus one supports (specifically) Micro SDHC cards up to 32gb
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forget the 32gb class 6. Wait and get the new MicroSDXC thats to be released sometime soon. up to 2TB and class 10. Although not sure if the nexus will be able to support that much but i dont see why not.
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Once faster and higher storage cards come out, expect the price of the existing class 6 cards to drop like rain.
Can anyone suggest any good 16gb memory cards at the time being till they release a 32gb? I will be rooting my phone soon and I don't really know much when it comes to SD cards. Can someone kindly point me in the right direction please? Thanks to anyone if not everyone who helps me.
This is the one I use from NewEgg... it $49 w/free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...45&cm_re=16gb_micro_sd-_-20-183-245-_-Product
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This is the one I use from NewEgg... it $49 w/free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...45&cm_re=16gb_micro_sd-_-20-183-245-_-Product
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Is that a good brand to go with? I heard of Kingston and scandisk but never heard of that brand. Its class 6 so I'm guessing its pretty good right? I'm gonna want to put apps to SD card as well. Thank you for site and info if you can just answer this one last question in this post i will be very thankful.
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This is the one I use from NewEgg... it $49 w/free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...45&cm_re=16gb_micro_sd-_-20-183-245-_-Product
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grabbed one, thanks.
id love to have a 32gb class 6, that would be awesome
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id love to have a 32gb class 6, that would be awesome
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They don't sell them at all? How is it that the nexus can hold up to 32gb and they don't sell/make the cards we need?
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They don't sell them at all? How is it that the nexus can hold up to 32gb and they don't sell/make the cards we need?
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SanDisk was supposed to ship one end of last year, not available yet... I fear the cost..
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SanDisk was supposed to ship one end of last year, not available yet... I fear the cost..
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The cost don't really bother me. I cant see it costing more then $175-$200 USD. which is really not that much compared to 16gig IPOD touch which is $280.39 from amazon.com
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This is the one I use from NewEgg... it $49 w/free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...45&cm_re=16gb_micro_sd-_-20-183-245-_-Product
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Ordered it five minutes ago. If you don't mind can I contact you for further for more help? By the way thank you for the link and help that you have provided.
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The nexus one supports (specifically) Micro SDHC cards up to 32gb
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That is true, however my Nokia 6263 and 5310 could both specifically support up to 4gb uSD cards. I was able to use my 16gb uSDHC cards with no problem, though.
And I'd hope that SDHC > SDXC is merely a software upgrade.
I found this benchmark data for the 16 gig card from newegg. In short, sounds like a really good card though I know nothing of the brand.
http://www.pendrivereviews.com/ridata-16gb-microsdhc-review-and-benchmark/
I have a Micro 16GB AData class 6...works great!
See my signature line for the link.
The 32 GB will be great when it comes, but 16GB is still better than the mere 4GB card N1 comes with
i know that there are different classes of cards: 2, 4, or 6 but what are the main idifferences and will it effect my phone in anyway if i get a 2 compaired to 6?
Heard that Class 4 is the optimum for the Nexus one...anything more than class 4 it wont make a lotta difference.
I can tell you I have an 8g Sandisk Class2 and an 8g Transcend Class6. The Sandisk blew it away in speed comparisons. Not all SDs are equal. I wouldn't have believed it but I tested it myself. Yo have to have root and adb but there is a speedtest on Cyanogen's forums. I tested each 3 times and averaged. The Sandisk was faster by a considerable amount. I also think the Class4 would be optimal and would spend a bit extra on the Sandisk.
I just got a 16gb Patriot Class 2 to replace the 4gb Class 2 stock sd card. My response the first time I opened Gallery "OMFG HOLY CRAP". Instead of the typical 3-5 second load I am at about .5-1 second. Write speed is amazing. This card is just fan-damn-tastic.
I can say I tried a Class 6 16gb off-brand prior to this (my dog ate it) and it had none of the characteristics of this current card.
So for my money, before you consider Class, consider Brand / Quality. The better quality cards will always outperform the lesser cards. If you are worried about the Class (transfer/write speed) then get a good brand and higher class...but for me, the Class 2 Patriot is amazeballs.
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I just got a 16gb Patriot Class 2 to replace the 4gb Class 2 stock sd card. My response the first time I opened Gallery "OMFG HOLY CRAP". Instead of the typical 3-5 second load I am at about .5-1 second. Write speed is amazing. This card is just fan-damn-tastic.
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hhmm, never heard of Patriot.
I've used SanDisk and Transcend before.
My current one is the stock one that came with the phone.
However, with your "OMFG HOLY CRAP" emotional outburst I'm thinking of researching that brand
I really want a 32 gb microsd card for the n1. Yeah I know its kinda overkill but it would be my card for life really. I just wish there would be a day when I could walk into a best buy and pick one up.
i used patriot ram in my computers, good brand, didnt know they made sd cards, i think ill grab one, right now i have 4gb scandisk class6 seems fast and smooth
I have this one coming...
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2010/KINGSTON/Kingston-Class10-16GB-SDHC-Review/p2.htm
I have no idea if there will be anything worth forking out over for a class 10 card but since my wife has been belly-aching for speedier storage in her video camera I figure I got nothing to lose. Doesn't wow me in the phone it can find a home in her camera. Somebodies got to take one for the team....
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I really want a 32 gb microsd card for the n1. Yeah I know its kinda overkill but it would be my card for life really. I just wish there would be a day when I could walk into a best buy and pick one up.
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http://www.sandisk.com/about-sandis...disk-first-to-ship-32-gigabyte-microsdhc-card
They will come. In fact, a webshop here home has put it up for pre-sale allready and has a unconfirmed arrival date June 1st.
price will be here $180 dollars +/-. But will be way cheaper in the states.
http://www.komplett.no/k/ki.aspx?sku=594226
(site is in Norwegian)
The thing that bothers me about Sandisk (besides the price) is even on their own website they don't list what speed class the cards are. On Amazon I can only find class 2 cards. What's up with that? Maybe class 2 would be enough but I'd be more comfortable with class 4 or 6. Do they even make them in that speed?
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I really want a 32 gb microsd card for the n1. Yeah I know its kinda overkill but it would be my card for life really. I just wish there would be a day when I could walk into a best buy and pick one up.
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I want one too, but not at their current going rate of $200.
I'll probably end up picking up a 16gb one soon since the 32gb ones aren't in any hurry to get cheaper.
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The thing that bothers me about Sandisk (besides the price) is even on their own website they don't list what speed class the cards are. On Amazon I can only find class 2 cards. What's up with that? Maybe class 2 would be enough but I'd be more comfortable with class 4 or 6. Do they even make them in that speed?
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On amazons search I typed in 16 GB class 6 micro SD and it pulled some up along with a passel of other sd cards.
The class # classification has merit behind it. But unfortunately cheap manafacturers are abusing the system.
I bought a sandisk 16gb class 2 card not too many weeks after it appeared on the market as the first 16gb card. Never have i wanted for more speed. Songs load up instantly in the music player and the gallery has no lag at all. Don't fall victim to high class # claims. Just go with a manufacturer that you know and trust. For me that's sandisk.
im already sending back my first class 10 card.bought it from newegg but had to get kingston to replace.had problem with corrupt data and making my nexus go loopy.kingston replaced it without any hassles.
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I have this one coming...
http://www.ocworkbench.com/2010/KINGSTON/Kingston-Class10-16GB-SDHC-Review/p2.htm
I have no idea if there will be anything worth forking out over for a class 10 card but since my wife has been belly-aching for speedier storage in her video camera I figure I got nothing to lose. Doesn't wow me in the phone it can find a home in her camera. Somebodies got to take one for the team....
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hey guys i stay in dubai and i have searched the computer vendors and they only have sandisk class 2 cards and nokia's class 4 cards so if i buy nokia's class 4 mu 44 will it function properly if i want to install app2sd?
Not sure why i cant find it on the bestbuy website but i know its still there at the store bc i seen them there again just a few days ago, i bought mine a few months ago but anyways i found a PNY 4 gig class 6 HC-->high capacity i think, its in the camera section and sells in the black and red pack, not the black and gold one they also have. I bought mine regular price $22.99 which isnt too bad for not buying it on the web. It made my G1 songs and pics load blazing fast and ive since replaced my stock nexus card and have noticed a night and day difference on certain things pertaining to sd. just thought id share what i thought was a good deal. Later, veritas
also wanted to add that ive prolly reformated with parted literally between 100-175 times and really no slower rates on anything and barely a smidge shaved off the top
hi i'm after a 16gb memory card but don't know what class to get, as cheap as possible but it must be from a well known manufacturer
Probably doesn't matter what anyone says - whichever brand person X stands behind, somenoe else will say it failed on them and to go for brand Y.
Having said that, I have a 16gb Kingston class 2 which has been perfect, cost about £25 or so when I got it. Recently picked up the same but a class 10. That one was about £80 including shipping as I wanted to see the speed difference, etc.
Not sure what others people will swear by. I don't swear by Kingston, but I have yet to have one go bad on me...
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Probably doesn't matter what anyone says - whichever brand person X stands behind, somenoe else will say it failed on them and to go for brand Y.
Having said that, I have a 16gb Kingston class 2 which has been perfect, cost about £25 or so when I got it. Recently picked up the same but a class 10. That one was about £80 including shipping as I wanted to see the speed difference, etc.
Not sure what others people will swear by. I don't swear by Kingston, but I have yet to have one go bad on me...
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And was the Class 10 worth it for speed?
I've used both Kingston and Sandisk in the past - and currently have a 8GB Class 6 Sandisk in my desire. It's been just fine.
I'd like to make the leap to a 32GB card, but I'm slightly concerned the Class 2 one available might have issues. (Although I've read many contradicting posts on that subject too!)
@TractorMatty
Between an older 16gig class 2 and the 16gig class 10 yes - galleries rendered much quicker, seemed more responsive, etc.
But between a class 6 and a class 10... meh. Not worth it at the moment.
Does it matter what class you get? Because so far I can only find a 16bg class for over just £20.
Using Team Group 16GB microSDHC Class 6.
Got it from ebay
Go for Classe 6 it's almost like a C10, but cheaper (and you won't really notice any difference).
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Go for Classe 6 it's almost like a C10, but cheaper (and you won't really notice any difference).
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And you won't with a decent Class 2 either!
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Well, i can tell the diff between my shipped in Desire's Samsung 4G Classe 2 and my previous Sandisk 8G Classe 4... My Classe 4 is faster.
I got a 8gb class 4 Kingston.. its fast enough for me...
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I took the risk and tried the 32gb, online for $40au... failed miserably and still scarred by the copious time spent trying to copy, format, reformat, copy... with most ending up in the lost.dir (except for 1.2gb that ended up working).
Since then, have got a 16gb SanDisk. It's only a Class 2, but haven't had any issues with speed whether it be reading or writing. Avi's play in sync... Good bang for the buck.
Mind you, I only went for SanDisk because they were always good to me in the standard SD days, but have heard plenty of good word on Kingston and Lexar.
32gb on ebay are 75% fakes.
I just got my Kingston 16gb Class 10 card. Do you guys think my card reader's speed is maxed out and it might be able to go faster than this?
I'll be getting THIS ONE when they get it back in stock.
Well, just got a Kingston 16Gb class 10 and can't use it, because it's defective .
But I'm not blaming Kingston, it can happen with any brand and I'm gonna exchange it... Hopefully I have a Sandisk 16Gb class 2, a not-very-fast-but-working-SD-card....
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I'll be getting THIS ONE when they get it back in stock.
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Is this website reliable for the quality of the card? it will be 100% original?
dorittos said:
Is this website reliable for the quality of the card? it will be 100% original?
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i've ordered that card so will let you know what its like when it arrives
i got mine from ebay (team class6 16gb)
no issues so far
Just to share with you I gotten myself the Toshiba 16GB Class 4 MicroSD in HK about 44USD
A bit on the high side, but the card is made in Japan
Working fine (using A2SD+) till now
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Is this website reliable for the quality of the card? it will be 100% original?
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very respectable web site. selling genuine items
Considering getting a 32gb sdhc card for my epic4g. any problems noted? any advice?
You should be fine with about anything, but I have been burned a few times on spending less on SD memory. Buy a cheap 32 and you'll be lucky to get 20. IMHO. That or a Class 6 will really r/w at 2mb.
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I recommend the Kingston one that just came out. It's a class 4 as opposed to SanDisk's class 2. I got mine for $87 on Newegg, but it seems they've upped the price to $109 now.
These only seem to be available online though or that is my experience.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=9276608&postcount=5
Just purchased 32GB Sandisk micro SD. To my knowledge Sandisk has only one 32GB micro SD card and it's a class 2. I have had same, but in 8GB capacity. From time to time I copy/backup folders to external SD: Navionics, Epocrates, and TitaniumBackup...up to 460MB. On 8GB it would take a minute or two each, but with new 32GB it takes forever. Both class 2; same manufacturer, but smaller one much faster. Any suggestions?
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Class it up! Try a class 4 or 6.
nvm: I read later that you mentioned you get a faster speed on a Class 2 8gig than on a Class 2 32 gig. I just need coffee. Ignore my comment
I have a Sandisk 32gb Class 2... and it's slooooow. So I tried a 32GB Class 4, and it's still equally slow. I'm beginning to think it's the device, not the memory card. I'm getting annoyed with how much just having a memory card in the slot slows down the phone. I may just tolerate the internal 16gb and stop using an "external SD" because it's gotten super annoying waiting for it to scan all the time.
I have an adata class 4 32gb and its pretty good copying to and from. I got it from a quality retailer. If you didnt get it from a quality retailer, TEST it with h2testw app on the pc and make sure its real. It will take a long time to test it. Writing will go quick and you wont see any errors, but reading and verifying the writen data will take a lot longer and thats where the errors will show if its truly not a legitimate card.
I got a couple of fakes off ebay that i got refunded for, but these people sell thousands of these things on there and alot of people get fooled because they seem to work fine, UNTIL down the road when you cant read the data and lose a ton of stuff.
If you test it and get no errors on the reading side, you got a slow card and thats all there is to it. Its not the phone becuase it works fine with cards for most everyone. Not many complaints showing up
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I have an adata class 4 32gb and its pretty good copying to and from. I got it from a quality retailer. If you didnt get it from a quality retailer, TEST it with h2testw app on the pc and make sure its real. It will take a long time to test it. Writing will go quick and you wont see any errors, but reading and verifying the writen data will take a lot longer and thats where the errors will show if its truly not a legitimate card.
I got a couple of fakes off ebay that i got refunded for, but these people sell thousands of these things on there and alot of people get fooled because they seem to work fine, UNTIL down the road when you cant read the data and lose a ton of stuff.
If you test it and get no errors on the reading side, you got a slow card and thats all there is to it. Its not the phone becuase it works fine with cards for most everyone. Not many complaints showing up
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Mine's a legitimate card, that much I know. Best Buy doesn't sell china-models, haha
Correction. It's a Class 4 that I bought from Staples.
Sandisk technical chat was a joke and commented:"Well there is no guaranteed read and write speed. Still you can try formatting it with a tool called HP Tool"
My response:"Your comment could be construed as a copout. I believe everyone should have the guarantee that when same manufacturer produces a product and one is classed to have double the transfer capability ...... it should perform as such"
Sandisk chat :"I understand but we do not have any read and write speed on micro SDHC card"
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Correction. It's a Class 4 that I bought from Staples.
Sandisk technical chat was a joke and commented:"Well there is no guaranteed read and write speed. Still you can try formatting it with a tool called HP Tool"
My response:"Your comment could be construed as a copout. I believe everyone should have the guarantee that when same manufacturer produces a product and one is classed to have double the transfer capability ...... it should perform as such"
Sandisk chat :"I understand but we do not have any read and write speed on micro SDHC card"
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Kudos to you for challenging them... Unfortunately the world is becoming more and more of a marketing-reality. Something can be marketed as anything. AT&T decided they'd rather call their 3G a "4G network" rather than update to 4G... Sandisk decided to call their Class 4 a "Class 4" without any sort of technical evidence of it complying with the standard... and who's going to stand up to them, just like who's going to stand up to AT&T? Very sad state we've gotten to.
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I have a Sandisk 32gb Class 2... and it's slooooow. So I tried a 32GB Class 4, and it's still equally slow. I'm beginning to think it's the device, not the memory card. I'm getting annoyed with how much just having a memory card in the slot slows down the phone. I may just tolerate the internal 16gb and stop using an "external SD" because it's gotten super annoying waiting for it to scan all the time.
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Wait, are you saying that if one removes the external SD card that no scanning takes place?!?! If so that bish will be out of there in a hot minute! 2GB isn't worth the headache.
Yes class 2 is like the 3200rpm hard disk. Back in 1990's. Get class 6. I have class 10 it's very fast.
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Yes class 2 is like the 3200rpm hard disk. Back in 1990's. Get class 6. I have class 10 it's very fast.
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Is the Infuse able to take advantage of the Class 10? I thought I read somewhere anything above Class 6 reads the same on modern smartphones. Anyone have real world experience using infuse with class 2 vs 6 vs 10?
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Tested it and it came back 10.44 Mbs read/4.66 Mbs write. This was after formatting it with HP Tool. That is within spec for Class 4, but seemed just too slow. I'll try to transfer same files again and share results.
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I have a class 4 32 gb that's basically empty....
Write: 6.8 mbps
Read: 21.3 mbps
Is that good\bad\indifferent? lol
I'd appreciate those numbers.
Any opinions about PNY all?
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I'd appreciate those numbers.
Any opinions about PNY all?
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Does PNY make Class 10 16 or 32gb cards? In searching on Amazon 32gb Micro SD Class 10, I'm seeing Lexar, and Patriot. The Patriot gets mediocre reviews saying that it dies frequently, and is incompatible with many devices. I'm thinking of buying the Lexar, but I still haven't seen anyone post any better read\write speeds, so I'm wondering if the Samsung can even read\write faster than class 4.
PNY 16 GB class 10 at Costco.com $29.99
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16 GB class 10 at Costco.com $20.99
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That's a good deal... wonder if they have it in-store or only online?
Only online. Recent shipments to stores are 8GB Sandisk class 4. No other choices.
I flubbed on price $29.99
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Only online. Recent shipments to stores are 8GB Sandisk class 4. No other choices.
I flubbed on price $29.99
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Aww, I just think I'd regret only going 16GB... if there are 32GB available, I think I'd be regretting it in a week if I bought a 16GB.
Try newegg.com they have very good prices, good reviews and a great return policy.
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Try newegg.com they have very good prices, good reviews and a great return policy.
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Wanting to buy @ Amazon... I have $300 in gift cards on Amazon, so need something I can order from them. Not a fan of Newegg as they charge Tax in CA, and their "standard" shipping is slooooow (up to 10 days the last couple orders). I have Amazon Prime free 2 day shipping, and no tax here in CA, so I'm trying to stick with them.