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Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.
Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.
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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
Pops_G said:
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.
Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.
Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!
Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.
I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.
Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup
Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
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Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...
kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.
Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone
I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?
Just found this article over on Engadget that proclaims that (via Twitter) Microsoft has announced that 6.5 has, indeed, gone gold.
Engadget Post here.
Cool, but haven't most of us flashed to some cooked v. already? Neat, but mundane-ish.
Sounds great! I hope microsoft will release it soon.
Can I still get it when my phone isn't flashed and is still on default software?
Ok, for those of you who had the at&t "Tilt" (Kaiser), if we use the same timeline....MS RTM'd 6.5, let's say they ship it in July. If we use that as a benchmark, and remember how long it took at&t to release 6.1 for the Tilt, it will be December 09 at the EARLIEST before we could see (if at all) 6.5 show up "officially" on the Touch Pro. LOL.......
If it wasn't for the cooks on XDA, we'd be slaves to whenever the carriers would get around to releasing updates. "Timely manor" is not in their vocabulary.
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Cool, but haven't most of us flashed to some cooked v. already? Neat, but mundane-ish.
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So how is this mundane? We have been running beta software up to this point.
jcotterman said:
So how is this mundane? We have been running beta software up to this point.
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Chill man, it's sarcasm. Did ya notice the eyes rolling? But it's not going to be a whole lot diff except for hopefully less buggy, and the beta's I've been running have been really pretty solid for the most part. I'm looking forward to this as much as anybody. Lets loosen up. Life's way to short.
Good news, but I don't think there will be many differences with current custom 6.5 roms. Of course it's good to have the latest stable version as the base for custom roms.
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Just found this article over on Engadget that proclaims that (via Twitter) Microsoft has announced that 6.5 has, indeed, gone gold.
Engadget Post here.
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No gold, no happy!
6.5 is very slowly！
Might not be "gold" but the roms on XDA are pretty good. Installed 6.5 last night, MUCH faster than 6.1. UI has NO lag.
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No gold, no happy!
6.5 is very slowly！
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p51d007 said:
Might not be "gold" but the roms on XDA are pretty good. Installed 6.5 last night, MUCH faster than 6.1. UI has NO lag.
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With TF3D or with the new 6.5 look?
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With TF3D or with the new 6.5 look?
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Either or. It's about a billion times faster.
The rom I downloaded, was RRE's series 6, 6.5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506837
He has the default wm6.5 interface (called chrome) & the tf3d interface. You simply toggle the one you want from the today screen.
My Fuze is MUCH faster... no screen lag, even when rotating. I'm still using the TF3D interface, haven't had much time to tinker with anything...too busy at work. If you've never flashed one, other than a rom update from a carrier (if yours is carrier locked), you'll need to do some reading. Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Simple, straight forward steps on how to flash one.
I already knew what I needed, but ran the instructions step by step..."stupidly simple" as I like to call it. Once you get hard SPL changed,
flashing is the same (if you use the Rom Update Utility). It updates, reboots, and you are done.
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I have been waiting for 6.5 to be out of beta before flashing. I will probably flash 6.5 tonight anyways...even if 6.5 is gold...it will be awhile before we get our hands on an offical release.
Yeah, if you have an at&t fuze....I remember when the 6.1 update came out...it took at&t over 6 months to finally release it "officially".
The 6.5 is the first "cooked" rom I've used. I won't use a "carrier" rom update
again. These are for lack of another term, bloat free.
This one has a few apps and some really nice tools that i download and install
anyway. The program "update" utility is really nice to have.
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.it will be awhile before we get our hands on an offical release.
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p51d007 said:
The rom I downloaded, was RRE's series 6, 6.5 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=506837
He has the default wm6.5 interface (called chrome) & the tf3d interface. You simply toggle the one you want from the today screen.
My Fuze is MUCH faster... no screen lag, even when rotating. I'm still using the TF3D interface, haven't had much time to tinker with anything...too busy at work. If you've never flashed one, other than a rom update from a carrier (if yours is carrier locked), you'll need to do some reading. Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
Simple, straight forward steps on how to flash one.
I already knew what I needed, but ran the instructions step by step..."stupidly simple" as I like to call it. Once you get hard SPL changed,
flashing is the same (if you use the Rom Update Utility). It updates, reboots, and you are done.
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I chg's the rom on my Tilt from 6.0 to 6.1 and would like to do the same on my Fuze 6.1 to 6.5. Can this be done without reinstalling all my software or was it like the Tilt, start from scratch?
Start from scratch. One of the guys at work changed his tilt from 6.1 to 6.5 and loves it.
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I chg's the rom on my Tilt from 6.0 to 6.1 and would like to do the same on my Fuze 6.1 to 6.5. Can this be done without reinstalling all my software or was it like the Tilt, start from scratch?
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getting 6.5
Im very sure this is a noob question but how do I get WM 6.5? My AT&T Fuze (which is aparently the "raphael" ) I have 6.1 and whenever I use WM update it tells me I have the latest version. wtf. or is 6.5 even officialy out yet?
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Im very sure this is a noob question but how do I get WM 6.5? My AT&T Fuze (which is aparently the "raphael" ) I have 6.1 and whenever I use WM update it tells me I have the latest version. wtf. or is 6.5 even officialy out yet?
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It's not officially out yet as I understand.
The link posted within the quote from my post above will take you where you need to go for the 6.5 rom. I haven't done it yet and it was really painless on my Tilt when I had it.
I am assuming that this ROM doesn't contain the bloatware that we have to deal with in the official "AT&T" ROM. I mention this cause there was a little trick that had to be done in order to bypass the bloatware load. It really wasn't that tough although it did take me a coule of tries before I got it right.
If you haven't modified your phone much then just follow the instructions. If you've added software and other tweeks... you will have to reload them again (based on the reply from "p51d007").
If you need help this board is awesome. Also you can send me a PM and I'll try to help best I can.
http://www.pcdphones.com/phone_downloads.aspx?bid=128&cid=1&mid=356&carrier=Verizon
At least I hope so. I'm downloading it now.
Careful
HTC hasn't posted/released the WM6.5 upgrade for the Verizon TP2.
Verizon hasn't posted/released the WM6.5 upgrade for the Verizon TP2.
Therefore, I'd be careful of a supposed leaked "Official" ROM.
It's not leaked. PCD is the company being used to distro updates for phones. Someone has just flashed over at PPC and I think I am going to give it a shot too in a few minutes.
This is from the upgrade procedure that is included in the download zip.
The upgrade performs the following improvements:
1) OS Upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.5
2) Updated drivers to support Global VZ Navigator.
3) TouchFLO 3D Enhancements.
Congratulations! You have successfully upgraded your XV6875!
so what are the advantages of flashing this from mighty rom currently? Also the advantage in the radio?
Going to install soon!
This looks like the real deal. wmexperts is also reporting the same with links to the pcdphones site listed above. I have to wait to download but I am totally stoked it came out !!!!!
http://www.wmexperts.com/verizon-touch-pro-2-also-gets-official-windows-mobile-65-upgrade
This update has...
Window 6.5 Pro
CD: 5.2.21874 Build: 21874.5.0.83
Rom: 3.04.605.3
Date: 11/17/09
Radio: 2.23.00WV
PRL: 65072
PRI: 1.94_002
I get this info from PPC, and I think MightyMike extracted the radio already, not sure
I have been putting attention to all TP2 win6.5 updates since Im waiting for my sprint update, Im the type of person that prefer stock roms instead of cooked roms , sorry chefs, nothing personal
That took long enough... Surely there has to be more changes? wmexperts is reporting it also has Sense 2.1
To me it seems like a bit of an epic... Yippee... That's about it... Doesn't seem to do anything major to the phone - at least nothing compared to some of the cooks around here!
Sense is nice, and it's great that the 'my location' feature is active, but overall...
Not that impressed...
Does it have Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5?
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Does it have Sense 2.1 or Sense 2.5?
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Many people confirmed that has Sense 2.1
I want to hear more feedback on this before I download.
I am downloading it right now and will flash as soon as its done and will report back with info about the rom soon.
EDIT: Manila 2.1
Problem fixed for 1X areas. No more error pops up.
Other than that i am looking forward for custom roms to be cooked with the new information from this rom for verizon users
I have already flashed the new stock rom, and I have also dumped it into a kitchen so that I can get rid of some of the crap ware. The stock version eats alot of memory. I got up to 75% in just a couple of minutes, and I was just going through the menus and seeing all that was installed.
It's just manilla 2.1 with colored icons on the slider and weather clock. Every thing else is pretty much the same as the custom 6.5 roms every one has been flashing as far as windows is concerned. At least its an approved verizon rom and now I can strip it and make my own version. This is what I have been waiting for. To bad there is not much eye candy with it.
It is a memory hog, but they have fixed the Bluetooth issue where you cannot hangup. Also, the incoming MMS images are full screen instead of small. And of course, the new radio.
i like it. did it last night. took about 4 minutes. it seems to be about the same speed as the 6.1 it shipped with. bluetooth works better. faster pairing with headset. will try to see if hangup works now. (dont have headset with me so i will test when home) i like the weather on home screen. nice upgrade. id recommend it.
I thought it was a good upgrade too.
The weather is nice. Finally I get to use the lock screen which I love. All cabs that gave you back memory seem to work. The camera with al the modes work too and some other stuff. This is a real treat for me since originally I didn't plan on getting the TP2 and then seeing 6.1 made me kind of sad (minus touch flow 3d). So yeah not only does it feel like a new phone but a new os too. I will definetly be able to make the wait for awesome Windows Mobile 7 phone (albiet full price).
Anybody getting an e-mail notice of "1" even though you have no un-read mail pending?
No I didn't get that. I would check every folder you have (could be in draft or something).
I noticed the all settings button didn't work. But I know now its Wktask which I love. But for some reason it is effecting me from going to settings. So I had to uninstall it. Now if I have this problem again its a bug and not WKtask's fault.
I don't have the knowledge of what I need to do to my phone before I start all this
I just got a Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2 and it has WM 6.1. Do I need to immediately upgrade to 6.5 or can it just be 6.1 till WM7 comes out.
What do I need to do with my ROM....is it necessary to FLASH my phone(whatever that means) I don't wanna mess up my phone and void my warranty.
I don't know what Manila it has because for some reason when I try to go to Software Info in Device Info...there is no Software tab(weird right?)
Do I need to go ahead and dwload the latest Manila? What is the latest?
I want to get the most out of this phone and do all the cool tweaking and stuff.
I also want to beable to do the upgrades on the ppcmods website
They weren't working for me for some reason(can't tell what version of Manila I have)
anything else I need to do to be on the same page as all of you let me know. I don't want to mess up my phone or break it so this is why I'm asking.
thanks in advance
Ben6485 said:
Do I need to immediately upgrade to 6.5 or can it just be 6.1 till WM7 comes out.
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Whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 is entirely up to you. Some ppl like myself have tried 6.5 and have gone back to 6.1 because of performance issues. Give it a try and see for yourself.
If you've been following the news related to Windows Phone 7 Series, you'll realize that the Touch Pro2 doesn't meet the minimum requirements. In fact, there are some leaks that say even the HD2 (with its superior specs) might not get upgrade. There's about zero change M$ or HTC will release an official WP7S ROM for our Touch Pro2s. We can only put our faith in XDA chefs.
Ben6485 said:
What do I need to do with my ROM....is it necessary to FLASH my phone(whatever that means) I don't wanna mess up my phone and void my warranty.
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Again, whether or not you flash to another ROM is up to you. If you flash to an official ROM, then you won't void your warranty. If you choose to flash to custom cooked ROMs, then you'll need HSPL which will void your warranty. But you can undo it. Please read the stickies in the ROM section for further info.
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I don't know what Manila it has because for some reason when I try to go to Software Info in Device Info...there is no Software tab(weird right?)
Do I need to go ahead and dwload the latest Manila? What is the latest?
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Go to the Settings tab in TouchFlo3D. Scroll down and you should be able to see your Manila version in the "About" section. Otherwise you'll have to look in your registry at this key: "HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Version"
The latest is 2.5 which runs considerably slower than 2.1 on our devices. And you can't just install different versions of Manila. They have to be cooked into the ROM.
Ben6485 said:
anything else I need to do to be on the same page as all of you let me know
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Don't know what else to tell you since it's impossible to know what you want out of your device. Just read all the stickies in each thread and read the wiki.
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Whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 is entirely up to you. Some ppl like myself have tried 6.5 and have gone back to 6.1 because of performance issues. Give it a try and see for yourself.
If you've been following the news related to Windows Phone 7 Series, you'll realize that the Touch Pro2 doesn't meet the minimum requirements. In fact, there are some leaks that say even the HD2 (with its superior specs) might not get upgrade. There's about zero change M$ or HTC will release an official WP7S ROM for our Touch Pro2s. We can only put our faith in XDA chefs.
Again, whether or not you flash to another ROM is up to you. If you flash to an official ROM, then you won't void your warranty. If you choose to flash to custom cooked ROMs, then you'll need HSPL which will void your warranty. But you can undo it. Please read the stickies in the ROM section for further info.
Go to the Settings tab in TouchFlo3D. Scroll down and you should be able to see your Manila version in the "About" section. Otherwise you'll have to look in your registry at this key: "HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Version"
The latest is 2.5 which runs considerably slower than 2.1 on our devices. And you can't just install different versions of Manila. They have to be cooked into the ROM.
Don't know what else to tell you since it's impossible to know what you want out of your device. Just read all the stickies in each thread and read the wiki.
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thanks!
is says in the about section
touchflo3d 2.1.38416.1
what are some of the Official Roms that are pretty cool? I think I want to go the official route...is Max Manila official?
Also..I did read a few stickies....but how long does "flashing" take. I get calls throughout the day so I can't just not have a phone for a few hours. If I mess up how can I backtrack to fix it?
I just wish there was someone I knew that knows how to do all this stuff and let him do it but I will try this myself...probably wait till this weekend that I way I have some stuff planned out
Also...I like 6.1 and I think I'm just gonna stick with that
so I guess I need to flash my rom to get the right version of manila
what are some of of the "official" roms out there?
Right now, the only official ROM from Sprint is the one that shipped on the phone. IMHO I would not recommend flashing a VZN ROM to a Sprint phone.
The only other option for other ROM's are the cooked ones. A WORD(s) OF ADVICE -- if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM -- READ, READ, READ, READ, READ and then READ, READ, READ some more. For example, if you read you will find out that flashing a GSM ROM on a CDMA phone can have very undesired affects (and if you read, you will know that you should never do this) -- DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST. I'm saying that it's not cool to flash to a custom ROM, I'm only saying that you need to understand a little before you do it.
Have fun if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM and DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM IF YOU ARE UNSURE.
JohnnyFucknuts said:
Right now, the only official ROM from Sprint is the one that shipped on the phone. IMHO I would not recommend flashing a VZN ROM to a Sprint phone.
The only other option for other ROM's are the cooked ones. A WORD(s) OF ADVICE -- if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM -- READ, READ, READ, READ, READ and then READ, READ, READ some more. Flashing a GSM ROM on a CDMA phone can have very undesired affects -- DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST. I'm saying that it's not cool to flash to a custom ROM, I'm only saying that you need to understand a little before you do it.
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I def wont be flashing a verizon rom to sprint.
is there no custom cdma roms?
I guess I have alot of reading to do because I want to make sure I don't mess my phone up..lol
not afraid to ask questions....just don't know the right questions...haha
I seem to be clueless on the phone stuff even though I'm a whiz at the computer
to tell you the truth...i like the way it is right now...i just want to beable to change the slidebar, background, clock, take the curtains off the top and bottom of the today screen and add lots and lots of cool aps
but to do that I need manila 2.5 and right now i think i have 2.1
If there was a way to get this without having to flash that would be great but I don't think there is a way to.
It would be nice to beable to have some of my fav aps on the today page but it's not a big deal...i can just hit Start and it takes me to a good enough page
Here are some helpful links:
Hard SPL : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Hard SPL allows you to unlock your phone for flashing custom ROMs. This does not unlock your radio (which is something you probably wont mess with yet, link below).
SIM Radio unlock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578642
Custom ROMs sorted by most popular: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98&daysprune=30&order=desc&sort=views
You can use any of these, be careful downloading the ones on XDA as they are mainly GSM roms and can brick your device. Read each ROM page carefully to find one that is right for you. I currently use MightyRom and it works great for my needs. Very stable and responsive.
Flashing the phone generally wont take long, my first time it was probably around 25-30 minutes at most. Also, i'm not sure how its done on sprint but I had to call vzw and get a unique activation code, until then I could not make calls (but I could receive them still). Take a look at this video for some tips for flashing your phone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7CPM3yeUk
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Just saw your second post, check out these links:
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tf3d.htm
Also, there are two different versions. tf3d is one and the other is sense UI. More info here:
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tp2main.htm
Most of the cool apps can be installed on either version, just depends on exactly what you are talking about.
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http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tp2main.htm
Most of the cool apps can be installed on either version, just depends on exactly what you are talking about.
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I Dloaded and installed a slider from there....the icons are too small and so I uninstalled it
It's stays like that and I can't get back the stock sliders
Ben6485 said:
I Dloaded and installed a slider from there....the icons are too small and so I uninstalled it
It's stays like that and I can't get back the stock sliders
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what icon set did you use? make sure you only use tf3d as you do not have sense UI. Try using this file to reset back to stock.
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/files/Default_White.cab
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what icon set did you use? make sure you only use tf3d as you do not have sense UI. Try using this file to reset back to stock.
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/files/Default_White.cab
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cool thanks...i'll give it a try
I think this weekend though I am going to flash the Rom and really get everything I can out of this phone
If I have to take it in for work I can just flash it back to stock
Ben6485 said:
cool thanks...i'll give it a try
I think this weekend though I am going to flash the Rom and really get everything I can out of this phone
If I have to take it in for work I can just flash it back to stock
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np, let me know if you have any questions while flashing etc.
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np, let me know if you have any questions while flashing etc.
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oh..they're will be questions
right now all I need to know is the approximate time it takes to flash it....as in
how long will I not beable to get calls...that way I can pick the best time to do the flash
also...what all do I NEED to save on my phone....I have most stuff(apps, music, pictures) on my miniSD card
I have all my contacts and messages on my Microsoft My Phone app
What is the least buggy ROM?
I was looking at Max Manila(if that's a rom) and it was pretty cool
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4017/ultimate6.jpg
mightyrom is pretty cool too but I wish that some of the apps could be on the today screen
http://i33.tinypic.com/n48cco.png
It seems like you have most of the stuff you would NEED already backed up. Maybe text messages are the only other thing I can think of.
It usually takes me less than 20 minutes to completely flash my ROM and get it ready (provisioning, favorite apps, etc). My first try was around 30 minutes, with about 15 minutes of actual phone downtime. At MOST plan for about 30 minutes of phone downtime...and depending on how your carrier does it you may have to wait on hold for outgoing calls to work again (call from a landline/different phone and get custom activation code).
Max manila is going to be less stable and more buggy by nature. Our phones just don't have the best cpu for sense 2.5. Juicy r10 seems to be one of the favorite sense 2.5 roms, but has some issues with mms. Energy leo is another good 2.5 rom with max manila but also has some minor issues, read the respective threads to find out more info. MightyRom and Energy Pheonix are going to be your two most stable roms IMO, but they come w/ sense 2.1. Only sense 2.5 will have the today screen launch icons.
burtonsnow8 said:
It seems like you have most of the stuff you would NEED already backed up. Maybe text messages are the only other thing I can think of.
It usually takes me less than 20 minutes to completely flash my ROM and get it ready (provisioning, favorite apps, etc). My first try was around 30 minutes, with about 15 minutes of actual phone downtime. At MOST plan for about 30 minutes of phone downtime...and depending on how your carrier does it you may have to wait on hold for outgoing calls to work again (call from a landline/different phone and get custom activation code).
Max manila is going to be less stable and more buggy by nature. Our phones just don't have the best cpu for sense 2.5. Juicy r10 seems to be one of the favorite sense 2.5 roms, but has some issues with mms. Energy leo is another good 2.5 rom with max manila but also has some minor issues, read the respective threads to find out more info. MightyRom and Energy Pheonix are going to be your two most stable roms IMO, but they come w/ sense 2.1. Only sense 2.5 will have the today screen launch icons.
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cool...maybe I'll do it sometime on Friday or Saturday when I have nothing to do
if it doesn't take long maybe I'll try out one of the 2.5 ones...then if it's just too buggy I'll check out MightyRom
i'm excited to do this...I wish I could do it 2night
do you recommend to just to do it and follow instructions precisely(after reading it once) or should I read it and about it over and over again(when I have time that is) and then do it this weekend
Edit: NVM...this is alot to read so I'll just make sure I do it right on Saturday
I'll probably get Mightrom Impact..looks cool
but I like the background image of "love"
so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
Ben6485 said:
so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
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Just keep playing with your phone (while erring on the safe side) and continue learning. Keep searching the forums and reading when you have questions. There are a lot of great themes and apps out there, so don't think you are stuck using sense (although I still enjoy using it from time to time). At the very least you are on your way to really understanding how to make this phone YOUR phone.
Watch the youtube video I posted earlier in this thread, its a great visual way to learn how to flash your phone, and it is done in under 10 minutes.
Ben6485 said:
so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
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Oooh, I'd like to help a little here. I'm also a Sprint user, so here's my cent:
This site is mainly comprised of users that have GSM devices (ATT&T, T-Mobile, and such.) So, I advise you to use this and PPCGeeks as well, since that's sort of a CDMA counter-part to this site. Some knowledge!
- You currently have TF3D 2.1 on the Stock ROM, but when most people compare and ask whether you have 2.5 or 2.1, they are referring to HTC SENSE 2.1 vs. SENSE 2.5. This is because all the other Touch Pro 2 variants have already had the 6.5 upgrade from their carrier, which comes with Sense 2.1. We are supposed to get ours by the end of first quarter of this year (Which leaves by the end of this month.), but Sprint still hasn't specified a date.
- Here's the thread you want to look at for most of your CDMA needs: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98
- Here's the thread for unlocking your phone to flash custom ROMs: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=93252
-Unlocking your phone is not too hard and the way the peeps have made it, it's pretty much safe. In the second post of the thread in the above link, there is the relocker, if you wish to lock it for warranty purposes. Remember, always flash back to Stock ROM (If you're on a custom one.) THEN re-lock.
- Here's the thread you'll find the original STOCK ROM download, in case you want to flash back to stock after a custom ROM: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=91940
Also, from your last screen-shot of your home screen, you are using tab icons meant for QVGA devices, since they're so small (Of course, the messed up flip-clock, top cutain, and icons, are also a little messed up, haha.). HOPE I helped, and if I mentioned stuff you already knew, maybe someone else can benefit from the info.
Stick- you posted a very nice piece there.
I would also add, try reading up flashing from the ROM card. What I do is place the Stock Sprint ROM there so that I can always go back to stock when needed.
Sometimes some cooks suggest flashing to stock first then a custom ROM especially when moving from one cook's ROM to another ROM.
Hi I was just wanting some conformation that i am not the only person who finds windows mobile 6.5 on the HTC HD2 an almost un usable experience.
It crashes so many times in a day, you try to unlock it by sliding the unlock tab and it get to the edge and does nothing, you can’t press any button apart from the off button again and then you have start the whole thing again and if your lucky... after 5 attempts it works or you have to reset!
The typing in messages and on most other programs is so slow it cant keep up, it hangs and stalls and looses most of the spaces and jumps around the txt typing in where ever it wants.
Its incapable to switch from the home screen to the programs screen without stalling and hanging around, and the general user experience of all the user input is slow!
Forgive me if this is covered ground for everyone but for me it’s the most powerful phone on the market and it’s still useless!?
Does anyone have and tips? or any other rants about it?
you can always flash it
Dude just flash a custom ROM on there, what phone do you have and what network?
Before flashing, try doing a hard-reset (you'll have to do that anyway if you are going to flash). See if that solves the problem. Could well be that it is some prog or a left-over of some prog that is screwing things up. I still have the shipped ROM on-board and it runs silky smooth, until I try to be too clever, but then it's my fault
Good luck!
im on a HD2 and looking at puting android on it, but waiting for a new memory card later this week.
what other roms can i flash to it? im on o2...?
but my point was rarther why the hell can microsoft get away wit hreleasing stuff that doesent work still but help is great!
its nothing to do with microsoft, MS release software to a developer who then fits it in to a handset, that process need drivers and a much of work, its not like Windows on a desktop where you can simply update a driver or two with an exe.
read all of the work here regarding flashing, Update to a new ROM, i use Energy, make sure you do it correctly, and it will fly, i have Energys latest and its great, no crashes, good bat, very fast, there is nothing id like to change...well the HSDPA is crap but that might just be my area.
Speaking of Android, i have a copy running from my SD and removing the obvious issues with it just now and assuming it will be fixed by the time it becomes flashable Android brigs nothing new, in my opinion its the same as WM6.5.x with sence 2.5 the only advantage that i can see is the app store
ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
i HATE wm with a passion! get rid of it lol and put android on it!
WM is just fine for me.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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Yeah, as was said before, it's not necessarily MS's fault the rom sucks. First, HTC effs everything up and then the carrier drops the final turds in the mix. Look for OMarket-it has many more apps than marketplace, and they're all free. There's a lot of junk, but there's very good stuff there, too.
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ahh i see, so HTC are to blame for it all! ok i will have a look at some other roms but the app store on andoid was one of the main reasons i wanted to switch to that, winmo marketplace is just awfull and full of usless junk.
there are alot of different stages in puting android on do you have to do all the same spl, radio and other changes to get other roms working?
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In a manor of speak yes HTC are to blame for most of the issues we have on the devices, first and formost is the fact that HTC never licenced the graphics drivers from QC, second MS provide a blank slate that HTC fills in, lets assume for a second that its all up to MS and in so asuming every WM device ever made is also MS fault, then why is it that some devices work fantastic? the reason is because the manufacture and finally the networks stick their greedy paws on it and bodge it, this is exactly why windows phone 7 is so locked down, MS know for well that the manufactures and networks screw their image so much with WM that they have reduced their ability to do so.
but anyway you will believe what you want, if you look at a ROM with a preconception that its going to be crap then you will only ever see a crap ROM so you may as well give up now.
as for the app store vs the WM market place, your choice of words is intresting.
the marketplace actually has quite a few pieces of decent software, you know in the £20+ range, the app store has shed loads of....well, crap really, but there is much more to choose from and you are more likely to find something thats worth getting so again its down to choice, quality / quantity to suite your needs argument again.
installing android is easy if you already have HSPL 2 or 3 installed. seriously worth reading the guides to make sure you have the correct versions of radio and ROM installed!!
So flash the latest radio, and one of the recomended ROMs, ive used energy without issue, once you done that its just a matter of downloading a build of android, that usually containes everything to give things a quick bash, if you fancy it, you can then do some updating, but its your call, if your using cooked ROMs then as long as you have a recent ROM your most of the way there.
ive tried a newer android build for a couple of days and again, assuming all the bugs are to go and speed is improved, i still dont see a huge difference, its perhaps a bit more refreshing, but its also a bit more limited, ill continue to test it out
Sorry it took me so long to get back but thanks for all of this im now happily running froyo 2.1 on the hd2 now looking for an updated cooked rom because of the google update!
yeah I know