Just went in to carphone warehouse who have started to stock the energizer xp1000 for 20 quid. Looks good, they will do this and the barely there cover for 27 quid.
Any thoughts on the charger.
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Guys I went through about 4 different battery type chargers which ran of AA's and all sorts. All were useless and generated more heat than delivered juice to my Desire.
On the plus note I eventually found http://www.amazon.co.uk/Proporta-30423-USB-Turbocharger-3400/dp/B002DYGQI6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1276088348&sr=8-1
This is good enough to give me two full charges before having to charge the charger. Its a real neat piece of kit and works very well.
cardiak said:
Guys I went through about 4 different battery type chargers which ran of AA's and all sorts. All were useless and generated more heat than delivered juice to my Desire.
On the plus note I eventually found http://www.amazon.co.uk/Proporta-30423-USB-Turbocharger-3400/dp/B002DYGQI6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1276088348&sr=8-1
This is good enough to give me two full charges before having to charge the charger. Its a real neat piece of kit and works very well.
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Somebody just posted this on another post.
http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usbliionbatterypack.htm
It looks almost identical to the Proporta and the specs are the same too. The different is that they are selling this for £20
@MARK said:
Somebody just posted this on another post.
http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usbliionbatterypack.htm
It looks almost identical to the Proporta and the specs are the same too. The different is that they are selling this for £20
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ordered, thanks.
I have a Just mobile Gum pro - it's 4400 mAh capacity and can charge pretty much anything that you can charge over usb. You recharge the pack over mini usb (mains or PC)
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=166301
I use it with my iPod touch, MiFi and my desire and it works great, outputs at 1000mA so the desire sees it as mains charging.
I haven't needed it much with the desire yet as I have mains chargers at home and and in the office but with my G1 I got 3 full charges of the phone before having to recharge the Gum pro. It's pretty compact too so not a problem to keep in my gadget bag.
Hope this helps
I got this one for a while now
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4662&t_mode=des
and works great. Charges several devices and it has 3400mAh capacity, which is ~2.5 times full recharging Desire.
@MARK said:
Somebody just posted this on another post.
http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usbliionbatterypack.htm
It looks almost identical to the Proporta and the specs are the same too. The different is that they are selling this for £20
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do they include micro usb for 20Ł ?
i bought a charger from ebay, from gpsforless-uk, cant put a link up cos am a new user.
have a look for HTC emergency charger on ebay.kuk. its like a small square white box, comes with loads of attachments for ipods etc
great little charger with lots of attachments and very small.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MOBILE-EMERGE...ries_MobilePhoneBatteries&hash=item5191f682f2
this one?
well it's only 1700mAh for 15Ł, while you can get double 3400mAh for 20Ł. hehe.
This one also nice
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/350MAH-EMERGE...ABatteries&hash=item5191f6b9a3#ht_1867wt_1137
shnizlon said:
This one also nice
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/350MAH-EMERGE...ABatteries&hash=item5191f6b9a3#ht_1867wt_1137
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How much longer would your battery last with something like this? 350mAh doesn't sound like much... Of course it's pretty small, which is something.
This emergency charger! Is small, and should take an hour of call , no? and it's have small LED
this one?
well it's only 1700mAh for 15Ł, while you can get double 3400mAh for 20Ł. hehe.[/QUOTE]
thats the one i have, its the size that matters to me personally, its diddy.
true, but the larger capacity charger is much larger in size ie the size of the phone anyway, doesnt look pocketable to me.
i also cant envisage a time when i would need the larger capacity, ie i have a car charger, the stock charger and the emergency charger.
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/usb-turbo-charger-p21341.htm
http://shop.ebay.co.uk/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=USB+Turbo+Charger
seems decent.
I got this one for free:
http://www.consumer.philips.com/c/power-solutions/rechargeable-power-pack-sce4420_10/prd/ie/
but it doesn't come equipped with micro usb tip, where can i get interchangeable micro usb tip? tried ebay no luck
Hi, I just got the Proporta listed here:
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4661&t_mode=des
and it is great, couldn't ask for anything more. Small, nice looking, seems solid and comes with all the tips you can think of.
I bought the Energizer XP4001:
amazon.co.uk/Energizer-XP4001-Portable-Emergency-Battery/dp/B0029U2WUA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1276948983&sr=8-1
After 3 or 4 recharging cycles I found out it charges my Desire fully only one and a half times, so I'm little bit disappointed. Is this normal? I thought it should recharge it at least 2 and a half times * 1400 mAh = 3500 mAh. The battery is 4000 mAh, so that shouldn't be a problem. Any suggestions besides returning it? I'll be travelling abroad soon and I'm not sure that if I purchase another battery it will come on time for my trip.
Somebody just posted this on another post.
http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usbliionbatterypack.htm
It looks almost identical t
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do they include micro usb for 20Ł ?
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Does anyone know if they include the correct tip for the desire in the £20 kit?
It says its a mini usb tip, is the desire a micro or mini?
I mean this one: http://www.portablepowersupplies.co.uk/usbliionbatterypack.htm
Related
As a external powersupply, it says that the capacity is 12000 MAh so enough for 12 charges, or do I make a mistake somewhere?
It seems that a miniUSB connection is suplied whit it so I shouldn't now why it wouldn't do the job and the size is (for me) acceptable with almost 3x3x0,5 inch, I mean for tracking at locations whitout electricity it could keep your GPS going.
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19086
@hooty
I am sorry forget the link
Willem
Tried what? No link? Product name? Anything?
USB Charging
Not sure about how many times it would charge your diamond...but it looks like it has a Female USB connector so any USB cable could be plugged into it to charge ANY device...if your device allows USB charging that is.
Best regards
Wasim
12,000Mah!?!
Doubt it, must have been some serious squashing to get that much juice in there!
My laptop battery is twice the size of that and has 5100Mah capacity. Would be great to be able to charge it from that thing!
Ill just ordered
I just ordered the battery and as soon as it arrives I will write a review of it.
Willem
I don't think it'll work. There were some user reviews on similar charger saying it won't charge their ppc's through USB.
dervish666 said:
12,000Mah!?!
Doubt it, must have been some serious squashing to get that much juice in there!
My laptop battery is twice the size of that and has 5100Mah capacity. Would be great to be able to charge it from that thing!
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your laptop battery is also higher voltage, probably 12V.
think of the AA-size NiMh cells, the best ones are 1.2V 2800mAh.. two of those aren't close to the size of a laptop battery and yet they have higher mAh.
but you're right, 12000 mAh in that thing is utterly impossible
edit; anyone tried this?
http://www.instructables.com/id/Portable-USB-Charger-Version-2.0/
edit again; this seems more like a real product, but it's larger than the actual diamond is. not too convenient.
http://www.proporta.com/F02/PPF02P05.php?t_id=4125&t_mode=des
late edit; if a computer usb connection is too weak to charge the diamond, shouldn't it be possible to solder a cable that connects the diamond to two usb ports simultaneously?
Wilsas said:
It seems that a miniUSB connection is suplied whit it so I shouldn't now why it wouldn't do the job
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I have one of those crummy double A chargers from energiser i got from a friend and using the mini usb included with it, the phone does indeed charge but only when its off. When its on the power its using makes the battery pack redundant, but thats for my crappy charger. I think this should work, and if not it would work for another phone or device.
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but you're right, 12000 mAh in that thing is utterly impossible
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I made a small calculation my 2000MAh is in size 40X35X10mm =14000mm3
The size of the 12000MAh is 74,93X74,93X14,986mm=84138,9704314
84138,9704314/14000=6,0099264593857142857142857142857
6,0099264593857142857142857142857 X 2000MAH (which is the size of my battery)=12019,85291877142857142857142857
Acoording this caluculation it should be physical possible I just don't now how much cell it has and neather or by just doubling the size you can double the capacity aswell.
Willem
ShatteredAxe said:
I have one of those crummy double A chargers from energiser i got from a friend and using the mini usb included with it, the phone does indeed charge but only when its off. When its on the power its using makes the battery pack redundant, but thats for my crappy charger. I think this should work, and if not it would work for another phone or device.
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That's true for another Li-Io-charger which I bought from DealExtreme. From what I can see, they don't check their inventory very thoroughly for function and quality. Most of the stuff is just fine, but there is also some junk - and my Li-Io-charger was among it.
Since they advertise it only for the PSP, I can imagine that it will not offer the high current to charge a working Touch Diamond.
Have fun!
Lost_in_translation said:
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Since they advertise it only for the PSP, I can imagine that it will not offer the high current to charge a working Touch Diamond.
Have fun!
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Do you now howmuch is the power use off a PSP?
I do agree with you that not everything is made off gold what they sell at DealExtreme, I also bought already some useless stuff from them but this item should be a verry big mistake from them cause there are rumors at there site about this item, I even doubt about it aswell and thats why I cancelled the order but after I made the calculation I am in doubt again.
I travell a lot and one off the country's which I visit a lot is Brasil and for such a country whit the infrastructure availleble (or just NOT availleble)
If you make a long bus journey or plaintrip (Brasil is at least 12 hours where in you have nothing to do) or even in the bush or just tracking such a item could be ideal.
Willem
After a email with my doubts Deal extreme send me the folowing message, in a previous message Itould them about the doubts and asked them to check or the ordered battery is realy 12000 mAh, they have checek it with the suplyer which confirmed the capacity of the battery, as soon it arives I will post a review of it, which maid take a few days cause I want to test how many times I can charge my phone with both a 2000mAh and the original 900mAh battery.
Dear Willem ,
Thank you for your reply.
Item 19086 was shipped on 12/31/2008 after checking. The supplier informed that it is 12000mAh, we will keep the ticket open, please feel free to send the news once you got it?
Thanks a lot.
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Received the battery
Received today the battery but the Mini USB doesn't fit at my Diamond the output is 5V 700mA anyone now or this is enough to use and charge my Diamond at the same time cause if this is possible I will try to make a custom cable.
Someone can tell me aswell which contacts are used to charge a phone on mini USB, as you can see it seems the contacts are about the same there is just a diference at the outside off the connector, the main outside connector is a standard plug but I don't now or there are connectors at the market to make from the standard connection a mini USB
The connector fits at my dock and is able to charge my phone so in case of emergency I can charge the extra battery that way
Here some pictures
http://84.104.255.96/connector/index.html
Well I tested the battery and the outcome is disapointing, could charge my 2000mAh battery once complete so I gues all the critics about it where right, I have contacted Deal Extreem but untill now no answer.
Willem
I like a lot of people use my phone very heavily yet I don't have an opportunity to plug my phone into an AC charger until I return home. A great remedy to the problem is this handly little AA charger.
http://www.igo.com/accessories/powerxtender-charger/invt/ps002640004/
The reason I like it so much is because cheap portable battery packs usually pack under 1000mah of power. Thats not even enough to give you 1 full charge. And the more expensive 2000mah+ packs are often on the large side and well... expensive lol. On the other hand this little bugger is cheap and small enough to sit in my pocket without being a bother. What I find is the best part of it is the fact that you can choose what kind of AA batteries you put into it. I opted for Energizer rechargeable which are rated at 2450mah EACH for a total of 4900mah of power. Thats the equivalent of 3 G2x batteries. Keep 2 more batteries in your backpack/desk/purse thats an additional 4900mah. If that can't get you through the day you have more than just phone issues
Originally bought it for my Vibrant but quickly found it was awkward because the the product doesnt come with a cable adapter. This meant it was hanging and putting much strain on the usb port of the phone. Out of fear of breaking it I stopped using it. However since the G2x charges from the bottom there is absolutely no problem espcially seeing as I bought a 20cm micro usb extension cable so that the charger can sit in my lap or on a table while using the phone.
Just thought I'd share this since we can't get legit replacement batteries yet and even when they do become available they will cost a pretty penny. Got mine from Staples but they can be had on amazon also along with the usb extension able and rechargeable batteries.
This one works very well, too:
Well I'm a new member, so not allowed to post outside link. Therefore goto
Amazon
Duracell Instant USB Charger with Lithium ion battery
Pick the very first one
You don't need to by batteries or an extra charger. You can recharge it via your G2x power supply or any computer.
This was my favorite (coming from g1)
Too bad theres no new version for the micro usb's now..
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-9878...?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1304363010&sr=1-16
This can be added on, though it wouldn't be very convenient since its a slide in/out connector
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Mini-USB-Micro-USB-Charger-Adapter/dp/B0018L4GOQ/ref=pd_sim_cps_1
hire4blood said:
This one works very well, too:
Well I'm a new member, so not allowed to post outside link. Therefore goto
Amazon
Duracell Instant USB Charger with Lithium ion battery
Pick the very first one
You don't need to by batteries or an extra charger. You can recharge it via your G2x power supply or any computer.
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I almost bought one of those until I saw how low the capacity on it is. Looks tiny though which is nice.
J&R has Veho 5Ah external battery for $35 and I have 2 of them.
Just use regular microUSB cable to charge the phone and leave the original cable secure.
I'm thinking about getting the i-up 13,200mAh pack.
regP said:
I almost bought one of those until I saw how low the capacity on it is. Looks tiny though which is nice.
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They have a bigger version for 32$ as well. The 22$ version gives me a full charge from around 30%.
Just received my Pebble XT 5000mah pack. Won't be able to put it through its paces till next tuesday. Upon first impression, i think im in love with this thing already. its small enough to sit in pocket without having much presence. extremely lightweight. and the cord is long enough to be able to have the charger in your pocket and phone in hand (thank you lg for putting the usb port at the bottom). All info I have read indicated that it really does output 5000mAh of power so even a heavy user such as myself will have no problem getting through a full day of use.
Just wondering how everyone's batterys are working out for them?
Also how many full charges did you get?
Also any likes or dislikes of product they decided to buy?
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That looks like something that might be good out camping or something where you needed to charge your phone without touching it. But I would figure actually picking it up and putting that much weight on he usb port a very bad idea... This should come with a extension cord to charge while using, even texting or something would be pretty difficult to hold both...
motorola p793
Check this site for power packs, all kinds 5000mah for around $20
http://www.tvc-mall.com/details/660...r-Cell-Phone-Tablet-PC-PSP-etc-IPHONE-4-7095/
Micro usb 1900mah
http://www.tvc-mall.com/details/Por...AZR2-V8-HTC-BlackBerry-and-etc-Black-MCH-615/
ImaxPower IMP500 (5000mAh) External Battery
I've used an IMP500 Rechargeable (5000mAh) external battery pack for a few years with great sucess. They make them as large as 11000mAh (or more?) and even have solar-rechargeable options. Just take a look at New Trent or other similar products on Amazon or eBay.
The best part about the IMP series is that they have multiple adapters for iPhones, mini/micro USB, PSP, DS, and other devices so you can charge your phone and anything else you might be carrying around with you.
Link to NewTrent for info on models
I'd recommend buying elsewhere because you can find them for 30-50%+ off.
Energizer Energi Stick Emergency Charger for T-Mobile LG G2x /Optimus 2x
I was looking online for external battery options I came across this.
I see it has a keyring, Nice feature, But on my keyring it would get banged around and break.
It has a interesting design it curved to plug in and be held ot the back of the phone.
I also notice it said 5v and 500 mAh is this compatible with the LGG2X???
If it is, Is the 500 mAh enough to chagre phone and use it?
Product Features
Brand new Energizer charger.
Model number: AP650MC.
Connectors: micro-USB.
Built-in rechargeable battery. 5V and 500 mAh.
Simply recharge with your original phone micro-USB cable.
micro-USB cable not included.
For the price i think it should include the micro usb cable.
This is dumb. Why not just buy an extra battery instead? I mean I bought 2 for 12 bucks and it came with a charger.
jrharvey said:
This is dumb. Why not just buy an extra battery instead? I mean I bought 2 for 12 bucks and it came with a charger.
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How long have you had you batteries. How long do those batteries run compared
to the stock battery.
Since they such a good deal, Give us a mini review of your battery life and performance.
LINK PLEASE.
Just tring to get the most bang for the buck in these rough times.
NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE
KRAZYADROIDMASTER said:
How long have you had you batteries. How long do those batteries run compared
to the stock battery.
Since they such a good deal, Give us a mini review of your battery life and performance.
LINK PLEASE.
Just tring to get the most bang for the buck in these rough times.
NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE
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Batteries are 1500 mah and run just as long as the stock batteries. I consistently switch them out. Its so much easier to just swap them then wait for my phone to charge. For an on the go person its perfect. I wish I had a link but I bought them on Ebay. http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R...13&_nkw=g2x+battery&_sacat=See-All-Categories
They are all over and come from hong kong but it only took a few days to get here.
Haha I just bought 2 more and it came with a TPU case, 3 screen protectors (probably crap), USB cable and a battery charger.
jrharvey said:
This is dumb. Why not just buy an extra battery instead? I mean I bought 2 for 12 bucks and it came with a charger.
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Don't understand why you have to start off with "This is dumb". If it's not your thing it's not your thing...just don't get the epidemic of rude.
Anyway, stepping off my soapbox...personally I like the idea. Usually I'm around a charger...but on the rare occasions I need a boost it might come in handy. Yes, an extra battery is a good solution...but not for me. I keep my phone in a shell and hate pulling it off (seems to lead to new scratches and looser fit).
So, thanks to the OP for pointing this out...might just get one.
5v is plenty to send a charge to the phone. The wall charger is 4.8v. The 500 is just tells you how much juice the battery has. Ours has 1500 vs. this at 500, so it should theoretically last 1/3 of the time our replace 1/3 of the battery.
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Thanks, Good to know. That battery will not work for me knowing that information.
Thanks again
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Hi All,
Couldn't find this posted before so wondered if anyone could recommend a USB Battery Charger to change the batt from my Desire without the phone. I have a spare and going on travels want to be able to just leave the battery charging on its own and not use the phone all the time.
Ive seen quite a few on ebay and some look really dodgy with adjustable charging pins etc whereas others are ridiculously cheap and i can only imagine will ruin my battery.
Key points are it should be small, light, USB powered and whilst I accept it will not charge as good/full as through the phone - not to knacker my batt completely.
Cheers for any help.
Bridgstfer
I have been looking for the same thing and found a battery pack on Amazon for £25, manufactured by New Trent it has a 5000mAh battery in it and can recharge your phone at least 3 times.
I ordered the dual output version on Sunday, so hope to get it and try it out in a couple of days.
Using a Veho pebble here, works great
would be nice for a faster charge though, it seems a bit slow for 750ma
mps711 said:
I have been looking for the same thing and found a battery pack on Amazon for £25, manufactured by New Trent it has a 5000mAh battery in it and can recharge your phone at least 3 times.
I ordered the dual output version on Sunday, so hope to get it and try it out in a couple of days.
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I've got one of those. It's really good, one of the outputs is 1A so charges up really quickly.
My only criticism is the on/off button is easily pressed by accident, but that's really looking for problems. Oh and it would have been nice if the usb socket to charge it was a microusb one so I could use the same lead as the phone.
It's a good battery pack.
It certainly sounds like it is going to be good.
With regards to charging the pack itself, does it come with a USB to mini USB charging lead?
mps711 said:
It certainly sounds like it is going to be good.
With regards to charging the pack itself, does it come with a USB to mini USB charging lead?
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Mine didnt come with any charger or leads but as I have a box full of that stuff it wasn't an issue.
Edit: I'm an idiot. It came with a lead with a selection of interchangable tips to fit most phones.
I forgot as this is now also living at the bottom of my tangled box of leads.
Thanks for the replies guys.
Yeah i actually had one of those external battery packs (5000mah) but found that you could not even get 2 full charges out of it and therefore not worth the extra weight/charge time.
Basically its misleading because the voltage of the battery is different to you phone battery and it need to be upscaled or something - there are quite alot of posts about it. Let us know if you manage to get 3 charges though - that would be good.
But anyone used external chargers for the a spare phone battery?
there are some on ebay which are not expensive... have someone tried one? how good is it? I am going on travel soon and taking a lot of photos and videos... not sure my default battery will last a full day... looking for a portable charger and aa battery charger looks interesting as they are easily available but how much battery life does it give?
I personally had a few issues with it
it does not charge the phone up very quickly i got mine from Jaycars
and 2 when the batteries are drained it seems to do a flowback? from phone back to battery and makes the phone drain battery faster i have not really found the cause for that
i see alot of people use the pebble charger or i am testing this one out
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...645381&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_2843wt_906
so far it seems pretty good.
thx for the reply!
this charger
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....#ht_2843wt_906
looks quite big.... does not seem very portable... it seems it's same size as a phone
edit: anyway how long does it takes to charge the phone? does it charge it to full?
mm its not that bid really its pretty much a clone of the pebbles charger but cheaper..
knowing chinese manufacturing its probably from the same factory just resold under a different name..
the dimensions are not that bad.. its almost the same size as my 4xaa battery pack.. and does it much better as well.
Dimension: (L)99 x (W)72 x (H)18 mm
and strangely using the cable provided the phone thinks its powered over AC whereas using the oem HTC cable it thinks its USB charging
i tried it out quickly it seems to charge about 350-400 maA watching battery widget to see how much is sent in.
yeahman45 said:
there are some on ebay which are not expensive... have someone tried one? how good is it? I am going on travel soon and taking a lot of photos and videos... not sure my default battery will last a full day... looking for a portable charger and aa battery charger looks interesting as they are easily available but how much battery life does it give?
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not recommended at all .. i tried several then i went back to normal charger! faster and safer!
wlee2 said:
mm its not that bid really its pretty much a clone of the pebbles charger but cheaper..
knowing chinese manufacturing its probably from the same factory just resold under a different name..
the dimensions are not that bad.. its almost the same size as my 4xaa battery pack.. and does it much better as well.
Dimension: (L)99 x (W)72 x (H)18 mm
and strangely using the cable provided the phone thinks its powered over AC whereas using the oem HTC cable it thinks its USB charging
i tried it out quickly it seems to charge about 350-400 maA watching battery widget to see how much is sent in.
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edit: what was the name of charger? the ebay item is no more available
i am interested to buy one of those.. can you give an update? how much more battery life does it gives?
yeahman45 said:
edit: what was the name of charger? the ebay item is no more available
i am interested to buy one of those.. can you give an update? how much more battery life does it gives?
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mm the title of the sale item is
Portable Power Pack iPhone 3G/3GS Mobile Digital Device
sold by a company called visualtouchworld
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Portable...Accessories&hash=item3a62ad91c5#ht_2843wt_906
its a china clone of the pebbles charger (which i read is very good but far more pricey)
if money is of no concern
i bought one of these for a relative https://powertraveller.com.au/products/67
i have tried it out myself both minigorilla and what not they hold a very good charge but not quite as portable and also pricey.
thx for the info! grateful
i finally opted for a spare battery solution. I bought an oem battery for desire/nexus one
I'd suggest just buying a spare battery, it's easier and simpler! I've had those portable chargers before and didn't like them so much. Have a nice trip!