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[REQ] Can I stop data when roaming?

Hi all,
I know this is probably a strange request and so I'll have to give a bit of background. Recently I changed my mobile provider to 3. 3 have their own telephone coverage in certain areas and if you are outside those areas you go on roaming with Telstra. The issue is 3 charges huge $$ when roaming on Telstras network for data (voice and SMS is fine).
My question is that my TP obviously knows when I'm roaming as it displays the service provider as 'Roaming'. Is there a program that will stop my data (and only data) use when I change over to the 'Roaming' service and activate again when I am in the 3 network?
Thanks for you help!
Trent

Hi, another aussie 3 user here...
I agree with the TS as this is one of the major problem we as 3mobile user face, is there any kind soul out there that could help us with this as my knowledge on PDA is limited.. Thanks for any1 who is willing to help in advance.

With the Sprint TP, I can go to
Settings>Phone>Services>Roaming
and set an option called "Data roam guard" that allows me to choose whether or not data connections will be allowed while roaming. I'm not sure if this option is available for you, but give it a try.

I myself would like to have an automated function for this. Until then I will have to manually switch to my dummy data connection.

Normally it doesn't connect on roaming.
and if it will, it asks first.
isn't this the case with you?

I have an app called NoData
Works really well and lets you enable/disable any data connections

raveenash said:
I have an app called NoData
Works really well and lets you enable/disable any data connections
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I know about the NoData. However, you still have to enable/disable data connection manually. I'd like to have it automatically disabled when I am roaming.
For example my IM client (QIP) does not ask me whether it should connect or not. So it is very easy to have an "accident" with data connection :-(

I'm another Three user in Australia, looking for something like this as well. I often use my phone while on a tram and it might switch from 3G to Roaming while I'm browsing the web. I'd like for it to warn me so I don't download heaps while roaming (I think it's $1.65 per MB or something crazy like that).

Hi, another 3 Australia user here...and yes, I've been waiting on this sort of function for years now.
Part of the problem here is that 3's "roaming" is not actual roaming in the traditional sense. Normally, the phone detects a roaming signal when on a foreign network and displays a roaming indicator (looks like a little triangle) at the top of the screen. You'll find this is the case if you ever take your phone overseas and use International Roaming. Telstra's network does not give you this signal, and hence even the few roaming aware apps we have (e.g. pocket outlook) don't detect when you're on Telstra's network and turn off their automatic schedules.
The best way I could think of to do this automatically is with an app that detects either Telstra's network ID values (the phone detects these and translates them to the text "Roaming" at the top right of today, much as it translates the real value "3Telstra" to plain old "3" - 3 and Telstra share the 2100MHz network in a joint venture, much as Vodafone and Optus share theirs...you will see the real value if ever you use a non-3 rom) or the network connection type and then runs that NoData app (I haven't seen that before...credit to the guy who posted it).
I've often though some sort of even responder app would be useful. Something like Gyrator, except that read network status instead of physical hardware status. Anyone know of anything like this?
Then you could set up something like:
* On detect EDGE/GSM switch off data connections
* On detect HSDPA/3G switch on data connections
OR
* On detect network ID of Telstra's GSM network switch off data
* On detect network ID of 3's/Telstra's 2100MHz 3G network switch on data

Look at phoneAlarm.

caeci11ius said:
Part of the problem here is that 3's "roaming" is not actual roaming in the traditional sense. Normally, the phone detects a roaming signal when on a foreign network and displays a roaming indicator (looks like a little triangle) at the top of the screen.
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My HTC TP says 'H' up the top when I'm in 3 coverage and 'E' when I'm roaming. Just near the top it says '3' when I'm in a Three area or 'Roaming' when I'm not...
Don't you have the same phone? What does yours say?

Vanstra said:
Look at phoneAlarm.
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I think that perhaps paying 15+ pounds (around AU$40) just to switch off a data connection is a bit steep...any other suggestions around?

grandinferno said:
My HTC TP says 'H' up the top when I'm in 3 coverage and 'E' when I'm roaming. Just near the top it says '3' when I'm in a Three area or 'Roaming' when I'm not...
Don't you have the same phone? What does yours say?
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My point exactly. You will not see the real roaming indicator in Australia as you never actually roam here. While three call it "roaming" when your phone is on Telstra, the way they have set it up prevents the phone from knowing this is the case so the few roaming aware programs will not be able to adjust for it.
The phone shows G/E when on Telstra as Telstra provide a GSM/EDGE network. It shows 3G/H when on Three's network as Three are providing a 3G/HSDPA network. Hence, you can work out if you're roaming by looking at this even though it's not actually a roaming indicator.
If you look at your home screen though you will see either a "3" in the top right corner of the clock or "Roaming". That's what I was talking about before. It's not a roaming indicator either; it simply shows the network name (with a translation applied from the actual network ID in this case).

thanks caeci11ius, I'm glad you could explain this is better detail then my original statement. I am presuming that this form of roaming and charge to customers is quite rare.

caeci11ius said:
I think that perhaps paying 15+ pounds (around AU$40) just to switch off a data connection is a bit steep...any other suggestions around?
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You wanted a program which can automatically switch band when roaming.
This is the only program I know which can do that.

Program to disable Data when E or G is shown on taskbar
caeci11ius said:
My point exactly. You will not see the real roaming indicator in Australia as you never actually roam here. While three call it "roaming" when your phone is on Telstra, the way they have set it up prevents the phone from knowing this is the case so the few roaming aware programs will not be able to adjust for it.
The phone shows G/E when on Telstra as Telstra provide a GSM/EDGE network. It shows 3G/H when on Three's network as Three are providing a 3G/HSDPA network. Hence, you can work out if you're roaming by looking at this even though it's not actually a roaming indicator.
If you look at your home screen though you will see either a "3" in the top right corner of the clock or "Roaming". That's what I was talking about before. It's not a roaming indicator either; it simply shows the network name (with a translation applied from the actual network ID in this case).
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This is Exactly What I need Also. I have looked everywhere? I Dont believe anyone else has come across this issue before and has written something to fix it.
Need a program to detect when the Phone is in 3 or H area (displayed at top) and disable DATA ONLY when G or E is displayed. My work around at the moment is to select HSDPA only connection but this makes the Voice Calls dropout whenever I cannot recieve Three's Network. Can anyone help. There is many people who would be in this same boat.
Wombat

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I just wrote a script to keep you connected to 3G or HSDPA networks only. Tryout
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I hope it is what your looking for
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Wombat

Home Agent Settings...

Has anyone adjusted or tinkered with these settings or can you even adjust them? I know on the windows mobile phones you could to get a Home Agent that was closer to your location so the speed would be better on the internet and while tethered. Every time I do an IP trace my home agent is in like Louisiana and I'm in Oklahoma City. My home agents in the past have been Dallas and Kansas City. Any thoughts?

SooooneR said:
Has anyone adjusted or tinkered with these settings or can you even adjust them? I know on the windows mobile phones you could to get a Home Agent that was closer to your location so the speed would be better on the internet and while tethered. Every time I do an IP trace my home agent is in like Louisiana and I'm in Oklahoma City. My home agents in the past have been Dallas and Kansas City. Any thoughts?
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This is funny, mine always thinks I am in Oklahoma!
I was wondering about this to.

That is pretty funny! Well that means there must be a home agent in Oklahoma. Weird mine would be in Louisiana and not in Oklahoma. I know on the windows phones it made a big difference speed changing the ip to a more local HA. I have looked into it but I don't see anyone talking about it or messing with it. hmmmm

The Home Agent isn't always closest to you, the Home Agent is a Router on your Home network that maintains current location (IP address) information for the mobile device. The Home agent isn't always in your immediate location, its actually the closest Home Agent to your location.
The Home Agent tunnels datagrams for delivery to the mobile node when it is away from home.

Exactly... With my windows mobile phone it was usually in the Dallas or Kansas City area. With the Hero its mostly in Louisiana every time I check it.

Sense 2.5 My Location and Airave Issue

For some reason when I enable my location and my phone is connected to my Airave, it locates me in a city about an hour away. When I turn my airave off, it is able to tell the actually city I am in. Is there anyway to correct this?
I am using the stock ROM with WM6.5 which was recently released. The only modifications I have done is added the Taskbar and Co0kie home screen mod.
Thanks,

Same issue. Soon as the phone enters the building with the Airave it jumps 200 miles.

I can answer this one! I'm a Sprint employee and am extremely familiar with the Airave.
The Airave broadcasts signal allowing your phone to have signal in an area where Sprint signal is not normally available. It does this by receiving a request from your phone, connecting to the Airave, and then then sending the request via your broadband internet connection rather than through a Sprint tower.
The problem you are experiencing is because of settings with your Internet Service Provider (ISP). Your location, often refered to geolocation, is set by your IP address (provided to you automatically by your ISP). ISPs often base IP addresses in a city where the company is basing operations. For example, I live in Indianapolis, Indiana, and use Comcast as my ISP. My IP address however is based out of Rockford, Illinois.
If you go to http://whatismyipaddress.com, you will see the city to which your IP address is set. The city listed at this site, I would assume, is the city you see on your phone as your current location.
As far as a fix, I don't have much in the way of an answer. If the weather application is the issue, you could always set a city, rather than using the automatic location setting.
I hope this gives you some insight as to why the problem exists.

I had this same problem with my Touch Pro 2 using one of the Mighty Roms. I can't believe I didn't even think of the AirRave as the culprit. I figured the weather location came from my GPS coordinates, not which cell tower I'm connected to. This makes sense now. However, once I updated to Mighty Roms latest Rom, I no longer have this problem and my location is correct. Maybe Time Warner NY is doing something differently now and my AirRave is reporting the correct area. Before my phone was saying my location was "Jackson"...now it says "New York".

MrMaNz said:
Before my phone was saying my location was "Jackson"...now it says "New York".
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Precisely the same has happened with me. On cooked ROM's my location is "Jackson" (NJ, I think) and on the Sprint 6.5 ROM it's New York. I'm on Comcast cable, not Time Warner. I doubt this is an issue of the ISP one uses to access the internet from the Airave's location but rather of Sprint as the ISP for the phone via the Airave - Sprint is supplying the IP address for the phone, not your personal ISP.
The likely explanation for the apparent location change, of course, is that between ROM flashes Sprint changed something that provides different geolocation data and that this has nothing to do with the ROM itself.
More interesting is the comment above about a recent cooked ROM providing correct location information. It seems as if it should be possible to hack the location feature to use GPS rather than IP geolocation.

It is not rom related you are wrong. It is all about the ip address location.

same thing for me, but dont think it has anything to do with airave, dont even know wat that is or if i even have it on, but my fone shows my current location as a small town about 20 miles away with a population of about 200 (not thousand, just 200) so dont think it has anything to do with towers, any ideas?

It is all about the ip address. If I plug in the phone to activesync I get one ip and one location. If I use the verizon data connection I get another ip and another location

It does not appear to be IP related as the website posted to check the ip shows me in Kansas... but my location on the TP2 shows Canton, OH while connected to the airave. I know that I put in a zipcode in the settings for the airave on sprint's website and even that zipcode is different than the city I get.

jobobusa said:
It does not appear to be IP related as the website posted to check the ip shows me in Kansas... but my location on the TP2 shows Canton, OH while connected to the airave. I know that I put in a zipcode in the settings for the airave on sprint's website and even that zipcode is different than the city I get.
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When you go to the same website ON YOUR PHONE does it show you as being in KS or OH?
Your phone and your computer don't have the same IP, even if your phone is connecting through your computer.

jhworley said:
I'm a Sprint employee and am extremely familiar with the Airave.
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The problem you are experiencing is because of settings with your Internet Service Provider (ISP). Your location, often refered to geolocation, is set by your IP address (provided to you automatically by your ISP).
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You're quite wrong about this.
The IP for my phone is supplied by Sprint's DHCP servers when it connects via the Airave. It's not supplied by Comcast's DHCP servers at all.
At the moment, both my notebook and my phone are online. Both the wireless router to which my notebook is connected and the Airave go through the same Comcast cable modem. There is no cellular service available near my house except via my Airave.
At the moment, my notebook's public IP is 24.147.35.xxx and my phone's is 174.146.248.xxx. As you can see, they're quite different. If I switch off my cellular radio and connect the phone to my WiFi, it uses the same IP of 24.147.35.xxx as my notebook. The 24.147.35.xxx address gives a geolocation of Monson, MA even though I'm in NH. The 174.146.248.xxx gives a geolocation of Cedar Grove, NJ.
Thus, your answer is wrong on several fronts. The ISP that supplies internet connectivity to the Airave has nothing at all to do with geolocation on a phone connected through that Airave. Further, the location shown on the phone still does not match the actual geolocation that corresponds with the phone's IP address. In the real-life example before me right now, the location on the phone is 21 miles from the geolocation of the phone's IP address.
Finally, the location service on the phone does not depend entirely upon geolocation based on IP address. If I turn off my cellular radio and connect via WiFi, my phone decides that it's in Hancock, NH which is correct even though the phone's IP geolocates to a different state.
That last bit suggests that the location service on the phone is perfectly capable of using GPS if it can't use IP geolocation.

mstevens said:
You're quite wrong about this.
The IP for my phone is supplied by Sprint's DHCP servers when it connects via the Airave. It's not supplied by Comcast's DHCP servers at all.
At the moment, both my notebook and my phone are online. Both the wireless router to which my notebook is connected and the Airave go through the same Comcast cable modem. There is no cellular service available near my house except via my Airave.
At the moment, my notebook's public IP is 24.147.35.xxx and my phone's is 174.146.248.xxx. As you can see, they're quite different. If I switch off my cellular radio and connect the phone to my WiFi, it uses the same IP of 24.147.35.xxx as my notebook. The 24.147.35.xxx address gives a geolocation of Monson, MA even though I'm in NH. The 174.146.248.xxx gives a geolocation of Cedar Grove, NJ.
Thus, your answer is wrong on several fronts. The ISP that supplies internet connectivity to the Airave has nothing at all to do with geolocation on a phone connected through that Airave. Further, the location shown on the phone still does not match the actual geolocation that corresponds with the phone's IP address. In the real-life example before me right now, the location on the phone is 21 miles from the geolocation of the phone's IP address.
Finally, the location service on the phone does not depend entirely upon geolocation based on IP address. If I turn off my cellular radio and connect via WiFi, my phone decides that it's in Hancock, NH which is correct even though the phone's IP geolocates to a different state.
That last bit suggests that the location service on the phone is perfectly capable of using GPS if it can't use IP geolocation.
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Well said. BTW, Sprint has still not been able to fix this. All of my phones show Galena, IL instead of Cedar Rapids, IA (where I really am). The latest reason I got from Airave Technical Support is:
The Airave unit gets GPS data from a satellite. The location you see, is the location of the specific satellite that the Airave is connecting to.
Oh... My... God... I couldn't think of how to politely disagree; so I just flat out said that makes no sense whatsoever. The floor manager tried to tell me the same thing. :| This was after she tried to tell me the GPS was only used to facilitate connection to the network; which I agreed was possible, but pressed her to why it showed me about 100mi off if it was to be used for network connection? I also asked if this would affect my 911 use as the Airave is suppose to provide E911 data in case of emergencies; she said it doesn't use the GPS location for 911. I pointed her to the Sprint website which claimed it did; after which she started me a 'Network' ticket. ::sigh::

I'm having this same issue. I originally got my airave for my office which was out in the middle of nowhere with no sprint service. I have since moved and changed jobs. Even though I live in an area with strong coverage due to the buildings (I think) I get signal fluctuations from full to nothing and dropped calls. I set my airave back up which solved that problem but when I am home my weather still shows the location of my previous office which is 200 miles from where I am now. I have made 4 calls to airave "support" and they have been unable to fix the problem. The last 2 calls I finally hung up after they left me on hold for about 45 minutes (I guess that's their current solution). Sad that after over a year since this thread was started sprint still hasn't figured out how to change the registered location of the airave. Not only is it annoying but it worries me that should I ever have to call 911 I may have issues. IF the registered location affects E911, and I have no idea if it does or doesn't, aren't they required by law to provide reliable E911 service?

[Q]TP2 on Boost Mobile "You are within range of a Sprint private network"

Hi all,
I've just activated a Sprint TP2 to BM (Boost Mobile). Works great everywhere EXCEPT in my apartment (West L.A.) where I can neither make nor receive calls or texts, although internet access DOES WORK.
When I try to call out I get the following SPOKEN message: "you are within range of a sprint private network. Please move outside of the private network before placing a call". When attempting SMS I get "SMS Error Cause Code: 64"
This happens within a radius of about a 1/4 block of my apartment. Outside that area, no problems.
The CURIOUS THING about this situation is that I started the BM service with a BM Sanyo Mirro SCP3810 CDMA phone, before transferring my account to the TP2. The Mirro never gave me that message & worked perfectly EVERYWHERE. So somehow the Mirro was able to recognize the private network & not roam onto it.
Boost Mobile technical support are all over the place with contradictory explanations, but no solutions yet. "it is in fact a private sprint enhanced network of your neighbor & you're screwed", "No it's not, you just need a PRL update (Preferred Roaming List)", "We can do the PRL & Software update for you over the air, will take 5 days, leave your phone on", "No we can't because your phone is an HTC 7380 and not a BM phone"
So far I have done a PRL update, a Firmware update, & a Profile update from the Settings screen, firstly from the GOOD transception area. Tested. Then from the BAD transception area. Tested again. The problem PERSISTS.
ANY SUGGESTIONS PLEASE?
Rodney

Be sure to be set to Home only
rodneyx said:
Hi all,
I've just activated a Sprint TP2 to BM (Boost Mobile). Works great everywhere EXCEPT in my apartment (West L.A.) where I can neither make nor receive calls or texts, although internet access DOES WORK.
When I try to call out I get the following SPOKEN message: "you are within range of a sprint private network. Please move outside of the private network before placing a call". When attempting SMS I get "SMS Error Cause Code: 64"
This happens within a radius of about a 1/4 block of my apartment. Outside that area, no problems.
The CURIOUS THING about this situation is that I started the BM service with a BM Sanyo Mirro SCP3810 CDMA phone, before transferring my account to the TP2. The Mirro never gave me that message & worked perfectly EVERYWHERE. So somehow the Mirro was able to recognize the private network & not roam onto it.
Boost Mobile technical support are all over the place with contradictory explanations, but no solutions yet. "it is in fact a private sprint enhanced network of your neighbor & you're screwed", "No it's not, you just need a PRL update (Preferred Roaming List)", "We can do the PRL & Software update for you over the air, will take 5 days, leave your phone on", "No we can't because your phone is an HTC 7380 and not a BM phone"
So far I have done a PRL update, a Firmware update, & a Profile update from the Settings screen, firstly from the GOOD transception area. Tested. Then from the BAD transception area. Tested again. The problem PERSISTS.
ANY SUGGESTIONS PLEASE?
Rodney
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Hey from your home screen do this:
Go to Settings> All Settings>Personal>Phone> "CDMA Services" Tab> select "Roaming" in the list and hit the "Get Settings" button below.
Be sure that "Sprint Only" or "Home Only" is selected in the first radio button group, and Never ask w/ "Allow roaming" unchecked in the second group.

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Hi Ezitec, thanks for the suggestion. I followed your instructions, 1. in the BAD tranception area (my apartment area). I still got the message. ("You are within ....") Did a soft reset. Still got the message.
2. I followed your instructions but starting off in the GOOD tranception area (away from my aptmnt). When I walked back into my aptmnt, the message kicked in again within 2 minutes, when testing my calling out capability.
OUCH!
But thanks for the suggestion anyway. Any other suggestions? Anyone?
Thanks, Rodney

You may be in range of someone's Air Rave receiver, which your phone is picking up the signal for, but unless you are registered with their air rave, you can't get into their "private network".

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Thanks Indiagroove,
it turns out that that is exactly the problem. My TP2 on BM is unable to connect thru an Airave, EVEN if it's ON the allowed list. I installed an Airave to override the neighbor's. Still got the same error message. Called Sprint Airave support. They went thru various diagnostics and then finally said it's up to BM. Called BM advanced tech support & they said they had no instruction manuals to walk me thru setup of a SPRINT TP2 on Airave, they could only solve the problem if I had a BM branded phone (for which they have manuals to follow).
So it looks like I'm screwed.
UNLESS,
SOMEONE READING THIS, KNOWS HOW TO SET UP A TP2 WITH AN AIRAVE??
HELP!!
indagroove said:
You may be in range of someone's Air Rave receiver, which your phone is picking up the signal for, but unless you are registered with their air rave, you can't get into their "private network".
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I suggest you dont call boost or sprint about having a tp2 on boost. they might just terminate your account.

If you have the right software to do it, copy the PRL or obtain the same PRL that the Mirro has on it and write it to the TP2. The PRL carries specific roaming info and from what I have been told by some sprint employees and others online is that Boost mobile PRLs are usually behind in sequence compared to the Sprint PRLs so maybe the PRL that the mirro has already know not to look for the airaive as a base while the TP2 has the appropriate PRL for if it were a sprint device. This should help a bit, try this and report back.

[Q] Google Now Weather Card Wrong Location

The Google Now Weather card shows the wrong location most of the time. It looks like it is showing the location for the cell tower I'm connected to, not my WiFi. I have the location services set for battery saving which uses Wi-Fi and cellular networks. Even when I had it set for high accuracy which added GPS as a location source it still mostly thought my location was the cell tower I connect to. I have my home address set. How do I tell Google Now not to use the cell tower for my location since it is several cities away?

any luck with this? Mine recently began doing this as well. and strangely only for weather.
I live in Los Angeles, CA and it shows me weather for Sacramento, CA when i'm at home

No luck yet. It seems to be a little more accurate with lollipop but sometimes it still shows the city where the cell tower is.