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[Concept] WebOS "cards" style task manager

I would like to to change the task switcher (what pops up when you hold "home") to behave similar to the "home screen switcher". To get an idea of what I mean, think the "cards" view of running apps from WebOS, but in a hexagon. With some obvious differences.
NOTE: By "home screen switcher" I mean the animation you see when that occurs when you "un-pinch to zoom out" on any of the 7 home screens, allowing you to select one (in Senses UI for 2.1). NOT the application of similar name.
Basically replace the homescreens with snapshots of 6 running apps.
If you get what I am talking about, and you know anything about the logistics of making it happen, I would appreciate you input. I don't know the first thing about developing, but I'm thinking about starting this as a learning project. I'm not asking anyone to do it, just let me know how feasible it is, and steer me down the right path. I know this is a development thing, but I spend all my time in this section of the forums, and I wanted ask the devs here first. I've been here a bit and never even opened a thread, so please don't crucify me.
If you ARE interested beyond that, PM me. I came up with this while celebrating 420, and while I was in a creative state of mind I typed up an EXTREMELY in-depth description of how it would ideally behave.

Well, I guess no one is interested. But I've started looking at it, but I'm stuck
running logcat I see this when I "zoom out"
I/ActivityManager( 81): Starting activity: Intent { act=android.intent.action.MAIN cat=[android.intent.category.HOME] flg=0x10200000 cmp=com.htc.launcher/.Launcher }
W/Rosie_3D( 159): onWorkspaceStopScroll , CurrentScreen = 3, mIsAnimation = false, mStopAnimation = false
W/Rosie_3D( 159): TIME_SHOW_CURRECT_PAGE , CurrentScreen = 3
and nothing when I hold home to make the stock "open app switcher" pop up.
For starters, anyone know if either of these fuctions are part of an .apk? If not, anything would help.

palm web os
now you know what would be sick, if someone ported web os but for the hero, but kinda like an htc version of web os but still had the same exact feature as the palm pre, i own one, i think it would be sick, if im not mistaken doing something like that would be illegal..........

i had a palm pre so i have alot of ideas i can bring to the table.
what i think you should do is this
have a notication up that with the program name
slide down and click it
when clicked all your running apps will pop up in a "card-view"
then you can hold for 2 secs to close or touch to open up...
i believe that's the fastest way to get your apps and open and/or kill them
holding the home key takes to long to pop up but that can be another way to do it.

This would be awesome

Demoyo23 said:
now you know what would be sick, if someone ported web os but for the hero, but kinda like an htc version of web os but still had the same exact feature as the palm pre, i own one, i think it would be sick, if im not mistaken doing something like that would be illegal..........
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yeah hp & palm would make you pull this.
this is why i wanted htc to buy palm, i really wanted webos on a htc phone, maybe even port it to a android phone.

its already been done on the iphone, hp and palm wouldnt make you pull crap lol..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=671147
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snXCC9mTvI4 < Iphone video

Have you tried appswipe?

I am no dev either but considering webos is built on linux I would image the right genius (or collaboration of geniuses) could probably pull this off

DirtyShroomz said:
Have you tried appswipe?
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this app takes it out me mouth it just needs to be more tweaked for speed and alittle bit more funtional.

XxsydenxX said:
its already been done on the iphone, hp and palm wouldnt make you pull crap lol..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=671147
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snXCC9mTvI4 < Iphone video
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holy ****, i wish we had a palm theme that was that functional.

I have not tried app swipe. And im not the genius trying to port webOS, although that would be awesome. I'm really just looking to modify/ reverse engineer a little.

teddypepper52 said:
I have not tried app swipe. And im not the genius trying to port webOS, although that would be awesome. I'm really just looking to modify/ reverse engineer a little.
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app swipe sucks, i just tried it, nothing like webos cards.

fixxxer2008 said:
app swipe sucks, i just tried it, nothing like webos cards.
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Not close but show running and recent. Useful until you guys work your magic

fixxxer2008 said:
app swipe sucks, i just tried it, nothing like webos cards.
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TaskOS is the only thing close to web os cards

teddypepper52 said:
I would like to to change the task switcher (what pops up when you hold "home") to behave similar to the "home screen switcher". To get an idea of what I mean, think the "cards" view of running apps from WebOS, but in a hexagon. With some obvious differences.
NOTE: By "home screen switcher" I mean the animation you see when that occurs when you "un-pinch to zoom out" on any of the 7 home screens, allowing you to select one (in Senses UI for 2.1). NOT the application of similar name.
Basically replace the homescreens with snapshots of 6 running apps.
If you get what I am talking about, and you know anything about the logistics of making it happen, I would appreciate you input. I don't know the first thing about developing, but I'm thinking about starting this as a learning project. I'm not asking anyone to do it, just let me know how feasible it is, and steer me down the right path. I know this is a development thing, but I spend all my time in this section of the forums, and I wanted ask the devs here first. I've been here a bit and never even opened a thread, so please don't crucify me.
If you ARE interested beyond that, PM me. I came up with this while celebrating 420, and while I was in a creative state of mind I typed up an EXTREMELY in-depth description of how it would ideally behave.
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Kinda exists already its called task OS in the market

Btw with appswipe you can flick to kill too

XxsydenxX said:
TaskOS is the only thing close to web os cards
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too bad it's painfully slow to the point it almost locked up my hero.

fixxxer2008 said:
too bad it's painfully slow to the point it almost locked up my hero.
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It's rather zippy on my hero o.o.

downloading now to see how it is.

Cool idea I had.

Just had a cool idea, maybe its out, maybe its impossible ...
But it would be something where you could run two apps, split screen. So browser on top and a writing app like my writing spot down below.
Thoughts?
Never live in the past but always learn from it.

Nothing like this in the market... from a search for split screen
Never live in the past but always learn from it.

Okay.
Never live in the past but always learn from it.

It's basically a tiling window manager.
I believe that there is at least one launcher that's under development that aims to provide that (sorry, forgot its name)

cyansmoker said:
It's basically a tiling window manager.
I believe that there is at least one launcher that's under development that aims to provide that (sorry, forgot its name)
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Yeah. Because it would be good for many tasks so you don't have to keep holding home button.
Never live in the past but always learn from it.

it look like "tmux" or "gnu screen" on *nix

johnw.xda said:
it look like "tmux" or "gnu screen" on *nix
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I don't understand. What's nix?
Never live in the past but always learn from it.

Isn't this feature built into the stock 3.0 launcher?

[Q] Google chrome web browser patch for the hp touchpad

Is it possible that someone can make a patch for the hp touchpad that will give you the google chrome web browser instead of stock browser?

lovenokia said:
Is it possible that someone can make a patch for the hp touchpad that will give you the google chrome web browser instead of stock browser?
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If you want to use chromeon your touchpad, install Ubuntu on it. There is a guide to install it in Hp touchpad section.
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lovleshgarg said:
If you want to use chromeon your touchpad, install Ubuntu on it. There is a guide to install it in Hp touchpad section.
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I am aware of that, but i was wondering if some could have the same Chrome on your computer be on the touchpad with those tabs and hopefully the same browsing speed, I pretty much just don't want stock browser anymore.

lovenokia said:
I am aware of that, but i was wondering if some could have the same Chrome on your computer be on the touchpad with those tabs and hopefully the same browsing speed, I pretty much just don't want stock browser anymore.
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Sorry mate but for now u only have one option: advanced browser that allow tabs. But that is also functionality wise more or less same as stock browser.
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lovleshgarg said:
Sorry mate but for now u only have one option: advanced browser that allow tabs. But that is also functionality wise more or less same as stock browser.
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I want to suggest to someone to make such a patch. Is this the place i should suggest it or go to pre central.

lovenokia said:
I want to suggest to someone to make such a patch. Is this the place i should suggest it or go to pre central.
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Precentral is the place to ask for a patch. But many users already have reported about this many times.....
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lovleshgarg said:
Precentral is the place to ask for a patch. But many users already have reported about this many times.....
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I thought xda developers and the best devs that i why i came here and asked and it looks like i have no luck no i will try my luck in pre central

lovenokia said:
I thought xda developers and the best devs that i why i came here and asked and it looks like i have no luck no i will try my luck in pre central
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for android and windows phone. Afaik this is the first webos device on this forum.

SH4YD33 said:
for android and windows phone. Afaik this is the first palm device on this forum.
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well xda-dev better have some good some cooking for when i will get my nokia windows phone

Y don't u learn yourself and not expect others to meet your needs
lovenokia said:
well xda-dev better have some good some cooking for when i will get my nokia windows phone
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mattmiller said:
Y don't u learn yourself and not expect others to meet your needs
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I would if i knew but i don't know how to do this stuff i am willing to learn if one will teach me.

Go to youtube and search and google and ask other devs to point u the right way...not hard
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mattmiller said:
Go to youtube and search and google and ask other devs to point u the right way...not hard
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well i obiously posted of what i was looking for and i got the wrong answer, all i got was the chromium in ubuntu which i wasnt looking for.

Even if you could get the sources to compile into something that produces a browser window on the TouchPad, it still wouldn't yield a very pleasant experience. Those sources are for a desktop browser, not a tablet/touch browser. All of the touch-based interaction and gestures you expect on a tablet wouldn't be present, and the UI would be set up for a mouse and keyboard.
Obviously it's possible to change/extend the app for a better tablet experience--the Mozilla guys have done exactly that with Firefox on Android--but it's a HUGE undertaking!
What would be a more realistic goal is trying to figure out what you're missing from Chrome in the TouchPad's browser and try to build a new shell around that browser core similar to Advanced Browser on webOS, Dolphin/Miren on Android, and PerfectBrowser/Atomic Web on iOS. All of these browsers use Webkit as the core rendering engine so the rendered page should be very similar. It's more about the features offered by the browser shell. If your goal is to support Chrome plugins, you're probably SOL, so it's best to decide what are the concrete must-have features that are missing (tabs, form field completion, etc.).
Once the Android port is ready for prime-time, you might just consider moving over to Android and installing either Dolphin or Firefox. Both have many of the features expected from the desktop versions including pretty extensive plugin/extension libraries.
I imagine this response isn't terribly helpful other than in an educational sense, but I hope it helps a bit...

SCWells72 said:
Even if you could get the sources to compile into something that produces a browser window on the TouchPad, it still wouldn't yield a very pleasant experience. Those sources are for a desktop browser, not a tablet/touch browser. All of the touch-based interaction and gestures you expect on a tablet wouldn't be present, and the UI would be set up for a mouse and keyboard.
Obviously it's possible to change/extend the app for a better tablet experience--the Mozilla guys have done exactly that with Firefox on Android--but it's a HUGE undertaking!
What would be a more realistic goal is trying to figure out what you're missing from Chrome in the TouchPad's browser and try to build a new shell around that browser core similar to Advanced Browser on webOS, Dolphin/Miren on Android, and PerfectBrowser/Atomic Web on iOS. All of these browsers use Webkit as the core rendering engine so the rendered page should be very similar. It's more about the features offered by the browser shell. If your goal is to support Chrome plugins, you're probably SOL, so it's best to decide what are the concrete must-have features that are missing (tabs, form field completion, etc.).
Once the Android port is ready for prime-time, you might just consider moving over to Android and installing either Dolphin or Firefox. Both have many of the features expected from the desktop versions including pretty extensive plugin/extension libraries.
I imagine this response isn't terribly helpful other than in an educational sense, but I hope it helps a bit...
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thanks at least i get an idea, so does this mean i have to wait for team touchdroid to get android apps rolling and then just download firefox or dolphin.

lovenokia said:
thanks at least i get an idea, so does this mean i have to wait for team touchdroid to get android apps rolling and then just download firefox or dolphin.
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Well, there are two efforts underway, the primary one to get Android going on the TouchPad hardware, but that's instead of webOS (at least in terms of which OS is running at any given time; they're trying to allow dual-boot so you can switch between them during reboot). In that case, you'd just have an Android tablet with Android apps.
The other effort is to try to get Android's Dalvik VM (virtual machine) going under webOS so that you can run Android apps under webOS. This is the approach taken by RIM with the Blackberry Playbook. Obviously that's a much trickier proposition, and some apps reach around the Dalvik VM into the native Android/Linux APIs. I'm not sure how those fit in with the second approach.
Anyway, neither of these will be ready for prime-time for a while, so for now my best advice is to echo what others have said and recommend you buy Advanced Browser. You'll get a tabbed UI, saved passwords (and form fields, I think), etc. It's not quite what you want, but it's the closest you'll get for some indeterminate period of time.

SCWells72 said:
Well, there are two efforts underway, the primary one to get Android going on the TouchPad hardware, but that's instead of webOS (at least in terms of which OS is running at any given time; they're trying to allow dual-boot so you can switch between them during reboot). In that case, you'd just have an Android tablet with Android apps.
The other effort is to try to get Android's Dalvik VM (virtual machine) going under webOS so that you can run Android apps under webOS. This is the approach taken by RIM with the Blackberry Playbook. Obviously that's a much trickier proposition, and some apps reach around the Dalvik VM into the native Android/Linux APIs. I'm not sure how those fit in with the second approach.
Anyway, neither of these will be ready for prime-time for a while, so for now my best advice is to echo what others have said and recommend you buy Advanced Browser. You'll get a tabbed UI, saved passwords (and form fields, I think), etc. It's not quite what you want, but it's the closest you'll get for some indeterminate period of time.
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Well i want to keep the webos but your saying that you are not sure how porting apps from android to webos will be for the web browser.

lovenokia said:
Well i want to keep the webos but your saying that you are not sure how porting apps from android to webos will be for the web browser.
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I can't see anyone porting Android browsers such as Dolphin over to webOS, and while it looks like there have been efforts to build Firefox for webOS, it doesn't look like any of them are ready for prime-time. The second of the two options I cited above involves hosting Android apps in webOS directly by implementing a Dalvik VM for webOS. Again, there are folks working on that, but my take is that it has WAY less momentum than the efforts to get Android itself running on the TouchPad hardware, i.e., basically converting the TouchPad from a webOS tablet into an Android tablet.
It's also questionable how well Android apps would run in a Dalvik VM/webOS environment. I know that RIM Playbook's commercial implementation of the same thing requires developers to make some set of changes to their Android apps for them to work on the Playbook, so it's not just a matter of putting a Dalvik VM on webOS, installing the Android Market, and then installing all of the Android apps you want (though that would be SWEET!).
So in summary, right now you would do best to see if Advanced Browser closes the functionality gap enough to keep you happy. For the some indeterminate period of time, it's probably the best option you're going to find.

Of course right after I say something about Dolphin not being ported, it shows up for iOS:
http://www.dolphin-browser.com/
Maybe you should appeal to them to release a version for webOS!
UPDATE: I just sent them a message asking if they'd consider a build for webOS based on that browser component since obviously they can get it working on both the Android and iOS browser components. I don't expect anything to happen, but never hurts to ask.

[Q] Some Stupid Questions/Gripes About Android OS

I've used an Android tablet for about a year now, and although I've put in a lot of time to make it useful and controllable, it still has a lot of troubling mysteries. I have a few questions for developer types that hopefully will help shed some light on things:
1. Why don't applications feature a "Close" button? In both Windows and GNU/Linux with a GUI, you get a neat little "X" at the top right of the window. Usually, when you click this, the application terminates. Is that so much to ask for on Android? The means of closing apps on Android seem to be entirely up to the devs and there doesn't appear to be a standard way at all. Some of the apps I've used on Android don't have any way to close them whatsoever, with the exception of killing them from a task manager or the "Manage Apps" section of settings.
2. Why do many of these programs suddenly and mysteriously start running entirely on their own? It's terribly frustrating for me to kill an app and in a half an hour find it there on the task manager list again, running without my having asked for it to do so. Where is this controlled? If there is some sort of task scheduler making this happen, why can't I easily see a list of scheduled tasks and choose which ones to run or not to run?
3. For programs that *are* running in the background (the ones I *want* to have running), why is it that they usually don't have some sort of taskbar icon to indicate at a glance that they are still running?
4. Why can't I see everything that's loading when the tablet starts? I guess I'm asking to see a logcat screen instead of a splash screen. GNU/Linux distros don't usually hide everything from the end user, so why isn't it optional on an Android tablet? Even in custom ROMS all I get are neat looking splash screens, not a terminal interface on boot.
5. Why doesn't a decent firewall application yet exist for Android? All I seem to be able to find are really coarse ones like Droidwall, where it's an all or nothing proposition (allow/block). I'd like to be able to control protocols, ports, zones and individual IP addresses and ranges like a good firewall on Windows or GNU/Linux allows. I am constantly under suspicion that someone is doing something on my tablet without my even being aware of it.
6. Why are permissions for applications so difficult to control? Maybe I don't want some stupid game getting a look at my contacts list. I realize I can just uninstall the game, but so many apps seem to tap into stuff that they shouldn't be allowed to, I feel like some sort of permissions control should be a default standard thing in Android. Instead all there seems to be are a couple of apps on the market that may or may not work.
7. Do any of you developers feel dissatisfied about the state of Android, and does Google take your feedback seriously?
8. Are there any forks of the Android OS that don't rely on Google for anything? I'm not 100 percent sure about the difference between a GNU and an Apache license. How much of the OS is closed-source? Is it enough to prevent a true, fully open-sourced Android-based OS from being made?
Sorry if any of these questions sound stupid, but even though Android is supposed to be more open than iOS, it's still not open enough for my tastes. I actually feel safer using Windows than Android, and that's just not how it should be. Am I alone in this feeling?

Ok. I would honestly say you should have gone with a Windows tablet if you want all those... It's not a computer. It's a mobile device running a mobile os. It's not gonna be a full blown computer.

McMick said:
I've used an Android tablet for about a year now, and although I've put in a lot of time to make it useful and controllable, it still has a lot of troubling mysteries. I have a few questions for developer types that hopefully will help shed some light on things:
1. Why don't applications feature a "Close" button? In both Windows and GNU/Linux with a GUI, you get a neat little "X" at the top right of the window. Usually, when you click this, the application terminates. Is that so much to ask for on Android? The means of closing apps on Android seem to be entirely up to the devs and there doesn't appear to be a standard way at all. Some of the apps I've used on Android don't have any way to close them whatsoever, with the exception of killing them from a task manager or the "Manage Apps" section of settings.
2. Why do many of these programs suddenly and mysteriously start running entirely on their own? It's terribly frustrating for me to kill an app and in a half an hour find it there on the task manager list again, running without my having asked for it to do so. Where is this controlled? If there is some sort of task scheduler making this happen, why can't I easily see a list of scheduled tasks and choose which ones to run or not to run?
3. For programs that *are* running in the background (the ones I *want* to have running), why is it that they usually don't have some sort of taskbar icon to indicate at a glance that they are still running?
4. Why can't I see everything that's loading when the tablet starts? I guess I'm asking to see a logcat screen instead of a splash screen. GNU/Linux distros don't usually hide everything from the end user, so why isn't it optional on an Android tablet? Even in custom ROMS all I get are neat looking splash screens, not a terminal interface on boot.
5. Why doesn't a decent firewall application yet exist for Android? All I seem to be able to find are really coarse ones like Droidwall, where it's an all or nothing proposition (allow/block). I'd like to be able to control protocols, ports, zones and individual IP addresses and ranges like a good firewall on Windows or GNU/Linux allows. I am constantly under suspicion that someone is doing something on my tablet without my even being aware of it.
6. Why are permissions for applications so difficult to control? Maybe I don't want some stupid game getting a look at my contacts list. I realize I can just uninstall the game, but so many apps seem to tap into stuff that they shouldn't be allowed to, I feel like some sort of permissions control should be a default standard thing in Android. Instead all there seems to be are a couple of apps on the market that may or may not work.
7. Do any of you developers feel dissatisfied about the state of Android, and does Google take your feedback seriously?
8. Are there any forks of the Android OS that don't rely on Google for anything? I'm not 100 percent sure about the difference between a GNU and an Apache license. How much of the OS is closed-source? Is it enough to prevent a true, fully open-sourced Android-based OS from being made?
Sorry if any of these questions sound stupid, but even though Android is supposed to be more open than iOS, it's still not open enough for my tastes. I actually feel safer using Windows than Android, and that's just not how it should be. Am I alone in this feeling?
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1. Well, its a mobile OS and it would be rather annoying to have a close button on every (even most) apps. No mobile OS has had a close button
2. That's an app problem, the developer either wanted the app to do that for some function, or they made some mistake in creating causing that to happen.
3. There would be too many apps, and I doubt people want extra notifications in the status bar just informing them what's running. For example, my friends Stratosphere has a status notif whenever WiFi is connected, and it annoys the crap out of me whenever I use it.
4. Probably, because people don't care... remember Android (like WP and iOS) are supposed to appeal to consumers as a phone for "facebook, games, and internet," and if the splashscreen/bootanimation was a logcat, people would just go "wut?" Also, as smartphones get faster and faster, so does bootup time. And there wouldn't be enough time to read what's on the logcat before it fully boots and you're at the lockscreen
5. Ask the devs.
6. Once again, dev thing. They are entitled to putting whatever permission they want, and Google isn't going to stop them. Just think about it though, most people don't care about permissions. iOS doesn't display them (even though they are there) and people download apps like there's no tomorrow anyway.
7. I read somewhere that the main designer of Android was "40% complete" at ICS. It gets me excited at what's next to come, since 4.0+ is already pretty amazing.
8. I'm too retarded to understand this question
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As gagdude said for 1-7.
8. There's the Chinese Aliyun OS which looks and feels a lot like Android but doesn't rely on Google - but I would't try it. You could try Ubuntu Linux if your device supports it.

Android needs to be like apple with updates time to close source this already and just have one phone already
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Reopened, but if it gets unproviding and or heads Off Topic, well then I will readdress this thread.....
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gagdude said:
No mobile OS has had a close button
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Wrong, PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years on my HTC Wallaby, had a close button for every application.
@McMick, many of your points struck a chord with me and I have often asked myself the same things since migrating to Android from Pocket PC 2002 on my HTC Wallaby. Certainly points 1, 3, 7 and 8.
Since I jumped from PPC 2002 to Android 2.3.6 I've had the same thoughts. And I was for instance surprised to see that only now (Galaxy Note 2) are the very first steps being taken towards multiple windows.
I agree with point 4 too. On a PC (Linux or Windows) you can choose whether you see what's starting (BIOS and OS boot) or prefer a reassuring animation.
5. I have Avast!Mobile Security which has what is reckoned to be one of the best firewalls for Android, but even that only has, as you say, block or allow (individually for WiFi, 3G and mobile network).
6. The trouble with limiting permissions for apps is that if they can't get the access they want, they won't work. Personally I use the app Privacy Blocker which works around that by feeding the apps you choose not to allow to snoop nonsense information.
However it's not enough just to stand on the sidelines and issue one's wishes to "the developers". The point and the spirit of XDA-developers is that we can all start modifying things if we want to. So instead of saying "Why can't I" the thing to do is to start reading and learning and seeing if you might not after all just be able to ... do something yourself when it comes to your device.
Every Android developer does what appeals to them, which is why there is such a wonderful diversity of ROMs and apps for Android, particularly here on XDA.
So get stuck in and start trying to change things on your own device for a start. On point 5 for instance, you do see a logcat screen when you boot into recovery mode, so perhaps there's a way to display that when booting. If you do get started on modifications in the directions you indicate, I shall certainly follow progress with interest.
Thanks to BigJoe2675.

syncopath said:
Wrong, PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years on my HTC Wallaby,
However it's not enough just to stand on the sidelines and issue one's wishes to "the developers". The point and the spirit of XDA-developers is that we can all start modifying things if we want to. So instead of saying "Why can't I" the thing to do is to start reading and learning and seeing if you might not after all just be able to ... do something yourself when it comes to your device.
Every Android developer does what appeals to them, which is why there is such a wonderful diversity of ROMs and apps for Android, particularly here on XDA.
So get stuck in and start trying to change things on your own device for a start. On point 5 for instance, you do see a logcat screen when you boot into recovery mode, so perhaps there's a way to display that when booting. If you do get started on modifications in the directions you indicate, I shall certainly follow progress with interest.
Thanks to BigJoe2675.
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syncopath said:
Wrong, PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years on my HTC Wallaby, had a close button for every application.
@McMick, many of your points struck a chord with me and I have often asked myself the same things since migrating to Android from Pocket PC 2002 on my HTC Wallaby. Certainly points 1, 3, 7 and 8.
Since I jumped from PPC 2002 to Android 2.3.6 I've had the same thoughts. And I was for instance surprised to see that only now (Galaxy Note 2) are the very first steps being taken towards multiple windows.
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OK, but I wasn't born in 2002.
Lol jk I was, but I wasn't "born" to technology back then. I got my first phone only 3 years ago or so... and that just makes it seem that close buttons are now obsolete (on Mobile OSes, at least
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gagdude said:
OK, but I wasn't born in 2002.
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LOL as I believe they say these days. I forgive you instantly! I am amazed by your over 1000 posts in about 4 months.
McMick said:
4. Why can't I see everything that's loading when the tablet starts? I guess I'm asking to see a logcat screen instead of a splash screen. GNU/Linux distros don't usually hide everything from the end user, so why isn't it optional on an Android tablet? Even in custom ROMS all I get are neat looking splash screens, not a terminal interface on boot.
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The app [root] live logcat by the one and only Chainfire [/hyperbole] should fix this. There are free and paid versions. Something to check out if you're rooted. Please let us know of the results. Added on edit: from Google Play.

syncopath said:
LOL as I believe they say these days. I forgive you instantly! I am amazed by your over 1000 posts in about 4 months.
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Oh no that just means I'm a loser and I spend too much time on xda
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@bigjoe,
bigjoe2675 said:
PocketPC 2002, which I used for 10 years :crying::crying: sorry for this....
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Don't quite understand this message, probably due to my inability to correctly interpret emoticons (reverse autism?). Anyway, thanks for re-opening this one because I
think what is being discussed here is worthwhile. Given the pressure of spammer-threat I think the OP should respond soon (or anyone else). Otherwise it will be understandable if you close the thread if you prefer.
bigjoe2675 said:
Reopened, but if it gets unproviding and or heads Off Topic, well then I will readdress this thread.....
Thank you and you can Thank user:
Syncopath
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I think I understand your priorities as moderator. This is of course a thread near the "top" of XDA and as such will far more readily attract spammers and other lowlife than further down in the more comfortable device threads where I am more used to posting. So you will want to quickly close any thread that seems to be becoming stale. Right?
@gagdude
gagdude said:
Oh no that just means I'm a loser and I spend too much time on xda
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I don't think so, over 200 thanks didn't come from nowhere!

This is off subject having prob w/ no boot sound for boot anim
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The future of Flash

I know there is a lot of gripe about the White list of what websites are allowed to use flash. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the topic so I wanted to fish around a bit for some information and pose some questions.
-Is it always going to be like this? Is it likely that they will release someway for users to control their own flash preferences?
-Is it likely that a 3rd party will release something that will allow a setting like this?
- [Edit] If more support for Flash is to be forthcoming, what would one expect the timeline to be? How long would it take? [I know this will mostly be speculation ]
- [EDIT] if firefox or chrome were developed for it, would they have to run off of the whitelist as well?
-As someone who hasn't touched windows 8 full, does the full OS have a similar flash limitation?
Also if this is the wrong place for this I am terribly sorry and will move the thread where ever it goes.

adashofrainbow said:
I know there is a lot of gripe about the White list of what websites are allowed to use flash. I don't have a lot of knowledge on the topic so I wanted to fish around a bit for some information and pose some questions.
-Is it always going to be like this? Is it likely that they will release someway for users to control their own flash preferences?
-Is it likely that a 3rd party will release something that will allow a setting like this?
-As someone who hasn't touched windows 8 full, does the full OS have a similar flash limitation?
Also if this is the wrong place for this I am terribly sorry and will move the thread where ever it goes.
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Hello
I don't think it will always be like this. I think someone may create a tool that automatically adds websites or simplify the process for us. Or we may even have a list that the community creates and we could possibly set our browser to auto download the list via options or script or 3rd party software. That being said, I do not think full windows will have the same flash limitation..at least not in desktop mode, because they can install whatever windows app they choose. It's an awesome device nonetheless.

equisbox said:
Hello
I don't think it will always be like this. I think someone may create a tool that automatically adds websites or simplify the process for us. Or we may even have a list that the community creates and we could possibly set our browser to auto download the list via options or script or 3rd party software. That being said, I do not think full windows will have the same flash limitation..at least not in desktop mode, because they can install whatever windows app they choose. It's an awesome device nonetheless.
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There is no doubt that I am enjoying my new toy. However I really enjoy certain facebook games, like Marvel Avenger's and Draw something, but unfortunately the flash support of Facebook doesn't extend to these. I got this to replace my laptop, it's unfortunate that I can't play these on the go any more. I suppose a time line for flash support would be another question I have.

laptop replacement...I think the surface pro is probably a better option for laptop replacement than the RT. Unless of course you only do light amount of things on your laptop, and do not care about not being able to install 'regular' windows applications such as Photoshop. Even then you could remote desktop into your PC and use those applications, Some people have reported very good results using remote desktop on the surface, but I have yet to try it or myself. Don't get me wrong though, the surface RT is a very powerful device and a lot better then android and ipad as far as productivity IMO. We are just little behind on the number of applications, and even then you could argue that most android and apple apps are useless. Nonetheless, the do have us beat by the numbers. We get a real high quality app right out the box - Office.
I was at a crossroads before I purchased my Surface. I love androids and I couldn't decide between RT or android tablet. I played with the Surface and I feel in love, Whereas the android tablet would have been just like having a bigger phone. There's not much I could do in an Android tablet that I couldn't do on my Samsung Galaxy S3.
I also though I wanted the Surface PRO at first, but upon further research, I came to the conclusion that RT was the right choice. I wanted a Tablet that can do light PC related tasks, not a full mini laptop - I have a DELL XPS 15 and multiple desktops for any 'serious' work I may need to do. The pro will probably get HOT and windy and noisy due to the fans as well. I think a lot of people who purchase the pro may end up returning it and getting a RT because I do not think the PRO will functions completely like a tablet. I may be wrong but I guess only time will tell.
I love this thing.

To answer some questions:
Win8 (x86/x64) includes the whitelist in its iecompatdata.xml file, but doesn't "respect" it (i.e. all Flash sites work).
While an official tool to control Flash usage is quite possible, don't hold your breath. A few unofficial tools already exist, but tend to be a bit limited and/or cumbersome to use (I'm working on an improved one myself).
A Windows Store app, even if it could get approved, probably wouldn't work for most people; the relevant file is outside the app sandbox, so the user would have to manually grant permission to access it.
For Facebook games (or other places where an external video is embedded manually), try adding the domain of the Flash file itself (usually found in an OBJECT tag, with an extension like ".flv"). For example, if the Flash file comes from "http://flash.facebook-games.com/IMaedAGaem/flashgame.flv", you should try adding "facebook-games.com" to the whitelist. You can try using my old scripts (working on updates for them) for this, although I can't promise they'll work in that case (haven't ever tried). The link is in my signature.

GoodDayToDie said:
To answer some questions:
Win8 (x86/x64) includes the whitelist in its iecompatdata.xml file, but doesn't "respect" it (i.e. all Flash sites work).
While an official tool to control Flash usage is quite possible, don't hold your breath. A few unofficial tools already exist, but tend to be a bit limited and/or cumbersome to use (I'm working on an improved one myself).
A Windows Store app, even if it could get approved, probably wouldn't work for most people; the relevant file is outside the app sandbox, so the user would have to manually grant permission to access it.
For Facebook games (or other places where an external video is embedded manually), try adding the domain of the Flash file itself (usually found in an OBJECT tag, with an extension like ".flv"). For example, if the Flash file comes from "http://flash.facebook-games.com/IMaedAGaem/flashgame.flv", you should try adding "facebook-games.com" to the whitelist. You can try using my old scripts (working on updates for them) for this, although I can't promise they'll work in that case (haven't ever tried). The link is in my signature.
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So what's the real hope? That more websites get whitelisted?

adashofrainbow said:
So what's the real hope? That more websites get whitelisted?
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That, or that Microsoft discontinue the whitelist

you do understand that you can easily add to the whitelist yourself right?

mmian said:
you do understand that you can easily add to the whitelist yourself right?
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Yes, but it would be nice to not have to. And I'm not always 100% successful