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Non-market .apk file database proposal

Hello everyone. I've a sort of proposal for the developers here, but before I get into that let me first briefly introduce myself:
I'm a communication designer for print, user interface, and illustration that completely advocates everything Android. I've been lurking the Dream development forums here for quite some time, trying to keep up-to-date with the latest ROMs, apps, etc., etc and I fully appreciate everything that goes on here and the endeavors that you devs put yourself through. Amazing stuff, really.
One thing I've noticed is that there are a slew of third-party / beta apps all over these boards, and other places on the internet as well. More often than not, I find myself scouring the cloud just to find a link for these non-market apps, and I usually get referred to them via some obscure site through another site. Despite getting the .apk file or ROM in the end, the process can get to be a bit tedious; especially for incoming users and those new to the Android platform.
My proposal is this: A website with a simple and clean user interface that has direct and succinct navigation with the purpose of consolidating and listing third-party / beta non-market applications into an easy access database. This website database would link these applications and have them be easily downloaded and installed via the Android browser, without having to mount the device.
I've actually come up with a fully-functional concept site, did the branding and everything for it, and also registered a short domain name for quick access while on your G1 or whatever Android device.
Navigate to: http://anda.pk to see what I had in mind, and how the overall layout/concept of the site would work.
I uploaded several .apk files I had backed up as examples for you to see how the database section would function. I also took into account the resolution of most Android phones and made the .apk application database section fit perfectly in the Android browser when in portrait mode right when you the load the site to ensure the best possible user experience when installing these third party apps. When you scroll to the right, you'll see info on what the site is about, and in the footer there are links to the FAQ, the about section, contact, etc.
I had also noted in the about link in the footer that the applications hosted on the download section are in no way accredited to the site, and that credit goes to their rightful developers. My being a communication designer has had the idea of peer collaboration engrained, and as such I give credit it where credit is due.
That said, I hope you guys here and the developers collaborate with me on on this site, possibly help contribute apks, and agree to them being hosted. If anything, I do hope you just embrace the concept, which originally was just going to be a reference for myself and my friends whom I've turned away from the iPhone, S60, and WinMo in favor of Android. I figured since I know the Android community is only going to get bigger, this website concept of mine could be a decent resource to have bookmarked.
Appreciate you reading this wall of text! Do hope to hear some feedback, so let me know what you guys think. Thanks!
Cheers.

I think this is a fabulous idea...automated version control would go over very well -- i.e. yum update
you should post up bits that you need help with and have folks contact you.
also..I love the logo!
question: do you propose a rating system or a review prior to listing type of approach or something new to keep this resource trustworthy?

Been following this on SA and twitter and it's a great idea.
Having the devs here on board would be a fantastic way to get something solid on the go. It's the kind of thing that can really help android become more hackable and useable for the average user...and it just make things easier for the rest of us.

Sounds good to me.
thelilliandivide said:
the applications hosted on the download section are in no way accredited to the site
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Credit and accreditation are different things. To be accredited is to be given credentials or official approval. I think you meant "credited".

Sounds like a GREAT idea.
My opinion: The color scheme hurts. Love the logo.

i like the logo and the idea. I think the site should be more mobile friendly, or even better, an application for android that can work like the official market. I could help with that part if an application is going to be built.

camalot said:
i like the logo and the idea. I think the site should be more mobile friendly, or even better, an application for android that can work like the official market. I could help with that part if an application is going to be built.
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i second that.. it should also have update checks if possible

I was going to complain that I didn't like your site layout, but in portrait mode you only see the left side which lists the apps. I like it.
One thing you might have to be leary of is dealing with apps that are considered warez unless your going to spend the time to verify every app that is uploaded or there has to a method in place.
As well there should be some kind of version control in place. You know what works on 1.1 and what works on 1.5. Obviously almost everybody within the next few weeks/months should be on 1.5, but will all the older apps run on 1.5 or does it really matter or does anybody care? The downloader will care.

CBowley said:
Sounds like a GREAT idea.
My opinion: The color scheme hurts. Love the logo.
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Seconded. The text is much too light. A darker charcoal shade would be much better.
If the site gets an apk wrapper (a la FBook) version checking would be rather easy. Set up the directory tree something like this /downloads/WiFiTether/1.2.3.apk and just have the apk compare filenames. If the file names don't match, it needs to install the update.
EDIT: Now following your progress on twitter.

Some solid input. I'll play around with the color scheme and make some changes later this evening once I get back from class. And I actually do plan on making a mobile wrapper eventually, but as it stands as far as the concept layout goes, the site is best used when in portrait mode for easiest functionality. The rest of the site is to be considered supplemental. I do however, have a lot of things I eventually want to integrate; application tags, search, possibility of user uploaded apk files, etc. But for right now, I'm trying to keep the general site as simple as possible to make the workload on my end less stressful (graduating in 2 weeks).
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If the site gets an apk wrapper (a la FBook) version checking would be rather easy. Set up the directory tree something like this /downloads/WiFiTether/1.2.3.apk and just have the apk compare filenames. If the file names don't match, it needs to install the update.
EDIT: Now following your progress on twitter.
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Did not know how that version checker worked. Thanks. I'll re-work the apk directory scheme akin to that later tonight for when I do eventually get the wrapper up.

thelilliandivide said:
Did not know how that version checker worked. Thanks. I'll re-work the apk directory scheme akin to that later tonight for when I do eventually get the wrapper up.
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That's not necessarily how most version checks work, but that's the simplest method I could think of, and probably one of the easiest to implement.

alapapa said:
I think this is a fabulous idea...automated version control would go over very well -- i.e. yum update
you should post up bits that you need help with and have folks contact you.
also..I love the logo!
question: do you propose a rating system or a review prior to listing type of approach or something new to keep this resource trustworthy?
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Thanks! And I feel I might need some help in the future as far as implementing the features that I want to get working. But I'm not quite sure I understand your question. Are you referring to how I choose which applications get posted onto the site?

i'm a graphic designer and web designer, i'll throw in a helping hand if you want, pm me or whatever.
(think about an android based layout to bring it to the phone like Cough*cydia*cough

very cool and much needed
Xda-dev is great, but there is alot of stuff thats not on the market and they have shown to bow down to the tmobs pressure(ie: tether app) so another place to get apps would be great, and your weppage is beautiful and looks like it would be very finger friendly on the g1, but there is a basic model in linux of repositories(which is about what ur doing) and a simple app to d/l them maybe somebody could just make a market.apk with a modded addy, depending on how much is known about the market and its inner workings... it would be nice to do it as it has been always done....but as I stated above your webdesign is very nice and would work well in the native browser(im heading there now on my g1)
bhang

not a bad idea. I think this is great for all verified apps that are pulled from market...

I really like this idea. Go for it.
Just one (stupid) remark about the logo... it's like it has a big nose and a :-| expression... sorry

apetit said:
I really like this idea. Go for it.
Just one (stupid) remark about the logo... it's like it has a big nose and a :-| expression... sorry
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Haha, I just noticed that actually. Now it's all I see. But yeah, I'm hoping to have a few more apps to upload by the end of next week. Revisions to the site are imminent once I get out of this last class.

I love the idea. One bookmark to check up on all the good non-market apps will be much easier than having several bookmarked threads.
Some applications may benefit from having tags such as [beta], [stable], [experimental], [contains-ads], etc.
As others have mentioned once/if user uploads are implemented an app approval system will be crucial to keep the spam at bay. I can see this really taking off.

im a supporter

zgmf-x322a said:
im a supporter
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+1 this sounds like a great idea, there was something like this for apps for the dash,mda & sda.

OpenOBEX GUI - WE NEED DEVELOPERS

It been a couple of weeks since i started the Cyanogen Updater - which made it to market in less than 24 hours. It was on everybody's TODO list and it just took one thread being opened to get it done.
Lets try and pull off another miracle....
LETS GIVE ANDROID REAL OBEX SUPPORT
Thanks to the openOBEX guys we have a command line tool to do the job - but that ain't quite good enough.
The average user doesn't want to have to type - thats barbaric in this day and age (personally i love it, but i am a little bit weird)
We have something to build on - it is already integrated in to cyanogens roms
We have two real options - include the required tools or just make the gui access the tools - either way, it can be done.
Yes, there is already Bluex... But why should we pay for something that the phone should already have???
If you are with me - post here. If you want to be a coder, tester, art-guy or just support us with a few thanks this is where to do it
You can PM me here or email me at [email protected]
Google Code
Bluetooth Stack Development Thread
OpenOBEX Thread
OpenOBEX @ Gitorious
Cyanogen's Experimental Branch

i will hellp you out a little bit with bugfiuxes and so but my primary thing is the updater

im fairly new to the whole android and dont know much but im willing to test. ive been testing CM roms since he started coming out with them.

This should be pretty simple, in theory anyway. All we technically have to do is have something that browses thru the filesystem (think SUFBS), and then when you click a file initiate the shell commands necessary or openobex. For recieving there could be a seperate tab at the bottom that when you switched to it it would open the socket to receive a file.

Art guy - reporting in!
Will lend my support whenever possible. As always, great to see more community oriented efforts like this. Once you guys get the app to a working point, I'll be happy to do some artwork for it like the CM Updater thread. Hopefully we can do this again fast.

great to have you on board again prash
i was hoping u n matt would find this thread
anyone who wants added to the google code administrator list - let me know and it shall be done

GOD bless you ALL!!

im sure when cyanogen sees this HE will bless us

im realloy glad to see another project, especially one as useful as this!

thanks....
all we need is some half-decent coders and we will be all set
it is theoretically very simple....but with time it will become more and more complex with extra features hopefully

Im going to jump right in and be THAT guy ... what is open obex?

OBEX=OBject EXchange=how protocol used when sending via bluetooth ot infrared
Open=open source=anyone can use the code with no copyright issues
OpenOBEX=2+2

This will be VERY interesting to follow, this is definately the only feature missing from android, and with prash doing graphics.... its gonna look good for sure (@ prash, using systemforce3... tried new dark hero, 3 hours later I was back to sf3... love the clock ) back on topic... if the knowledge of the coders here is anything to go by, I recon obex will be done by CM4.0.3

Hello,
i'm a sophomore college student look forward to learn how to code for android.. took two java classes in college.. how or where do i get started to learn the code, and may be i can be useful on the next project?
Click on my name at the bottom of the signature to email me..

kmassada said:
Hello,
i'm a sophomore college student look forward to learn how to code for android.. took two java classes in college.. how or where do i get started to learn the code, and may be i can be useful on the next project?
Click on my name at the bottom of the signature to email me..
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Here's a start on learning
Also in college, computer science major, taken a bunch of programming classes so I'll try and be of some use

garok89 said:
It been a couple of weeks since i started the Cyanogen Updater - which made it to market in less than 24 hours. It was on everybody's TODO list and it just took one thread being opened to get it done.
Lets try and pull off another miracle....
LETS GIVE ANDROID REAL OBEX SUPPORT
Thanks to the openOBEX guys we have a command line tool to do the job - but that ain't quite good enough.
The average user doesn't want to have to type - thats barbaric in this day and age (personally i love it, but i am a little bit weird)
We have something to build on - it is already integrated in to cyanogens roms
We have two real options - include the required tools or just make the gui access the tools - either way, it can be done.
Yes, there is already Bluex... But why should we pay for something that the phone should already have???
If you are with me - post here. If you want to be a coder, tester, art-guy or just support us with a few thanks this is where to do it
You can PM me here or email me at [email protected]
Google Code
Bluetooth Stack Development Thread
OpenOBEX Thread
OpenOBEX @ Gitorious
Cyanogen's Experimental Branch
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There is a aplication from the market called andrOBEX, and i think that app cover this.
Go to www.androbex.com and see if it is true, or try to work with the author to make it better.
If i'm wrong, count me in to help.

Does openobex support viewing directories and files which someone else is sharing and/or selecting your own directories for others to browse? I havent tried bluex but the description for that doesnt say whether it does or not, I dont know if that is based on openobex anyway though.
Would really like to see the development for this like the cyanogen updater, wish I could do something to help besides test.

i had no idea androbex existed - il look into it
this thread may be redundant....

Androbex doesn't appear to be able to receive files. Getting obexftp or something similar running shouldn't be hard. It just needs to be secure.

cyanogen said:
Androbex doesn't appear to be able to receive files. Getting obexftp or something similar running shouldn't be hard. It just needs to be secure.
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Bluex can recieve with root access.

Android Rom Tool

Hello everyone,
I'm not new to this forum, i have used it for many years now. Yet i have never made any contribution to the community.
I was fiddling with my G1 again when i found out my rom folder was a complete mess filled with update.zip packages, roms i didn't even know i downloaded. So i though, hey lets develop an application to manage all my roms and radio's with a quick button to upload a rom or radio to my g1.
Something like this:
Sorry i could not post a link, it's restricted. My account is still blocked for that. Admin??
I wonder if anyone would be interested in such an application? And if you are interested could you come up with suggestions to make it better/ help me debugging (i'm a student, i don't have a lot of spare time).
If anyone is interested i will seriously think about further developing this app,
it's now in pre-pre-alpha stage or so .
Greetings from holland.

zuenaerox said:
Hello everyone,
I'm not new to this forum, i have used it for many years now. Yet i have never made any contribution to the community.
I was fiddling with my G1 again when i found out my rom folder was a complete mess filled with update.zip packages, roms i didn't even know i downloaded. So i though, hey lets develop an application to manage all my roms and radio's with a quick button to upload a rom or radio to my g1.
Something like this:
Sorry i could not post a link, it's restricted. My account is still blocked for that. Admin??
I wonder if anyone would be interested in such an application? And if you are interested could you come up with suggestions to make it better/ help me debugging (i'm a student, i don't have a lot of spare time).
If anyone is interested i will seriously think about further developing this app,
it's now in pre-pre-alpha stage or so .
Greetings from holland.
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First off, I am not sure if this is in the right section...perhaps putting it under General might be a better option, as it does not have to do specifically with developing a ROM.
Secondly, the idea seems promising. I am not fluent with ADB, but if you can flash roms with it (IE: boot the phone into recovery, and use adb to flash the rom), then yeah, I think it would be a great idea. And again, depending on what ADB can do, haev it control nandroid/bart as well for backing up and restoring. I know ADB has the shell command, so if you can use stdin/stdout to read/write to that shell prompt, it would be feasible.
But that is forcing every user to go ahead and keep a db of the ROMs they download...perhaps using an external host to manage the images (keep a listing, changelogs, etc) of the individual roms would be an idea...then you can have the application pull roms directly from that repo. This, of course, would require you to manage the remote repository and keep it up to date.
Thats my $0.02

jmhecker said:
First off, I am not sure if this is in the right section...perhaps putting it under General might be a better option, as it does not have to do specifically with developing a ROM.
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This is ANDROID Development, not ROM Development.
My $0.02.

Bavilo said:
This is ANDROID Development, not ROM Development.
My $0.02.
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Thats why I said "I'm not sure"...I stand corrected though.

If we want to get technical, this is Htc Dream (G1) Android Development. If we want to be nitpicky this should be in Android development unless it is only for the Dream (G1) and will not work for any other Android phone, which I doubt. But who's being nitpicky anyway?

JAguirre1231 said:
If we want to get technical, this is Htc Dream (G1) Android Development. If we want to be nitpicky this should be in Android development unless it is only for the Dream (G1) and will not work for any other Android phone, which I doubt. But who's being nitpicky anyway?
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First off, I love the last line of your signature...classic
I just know that the mods and certain 'Senior Members' like to trash talk about threads in the wrong section, rather than simply stating that it would be more appropriate elsewhere. I was just trying to stop the bashing before it started, heh.
This thread is getting sidetracked though. I do think that the idea is a good one, whether it be strictly for G1, or across the board for all Android devices.

Sorry...
Sorry for posting this in the wrong section, i thought it should be in this section becouse it involves rom's.
Putting up a rom repo, would involve PHP and Mysql(a large one, saving all roms and radio's).
I would be very interested starting this project. I could use some help however. I don't mind building such a repo, but the content should be community managed.
I think android is going to be the mobile future so building such a repo would pay off since we're getting more and more rom's. Ill experiment with php and mysql tonight. I don't have a host, i run it locally.
Maybe someone with mysql/ bandwith to spare?
greetings

zuenaerox said:
Sorry for posting this in the wrong section, i thought it should be in this section becouse it involves rom's.
Putting up a rom repo, would involve PHP and Mysql(a large one, saving all roms and radio's).
I would be very interested starting this project. I could use some help however. I don't mind building such a repo, but the content should be community managed.
I think android is going to be the mobile future so building such a repo would pay off since we're getting more and more rom's. Ill experiment with php and mysql tonight. I don't have a host, i run it locally.
Maybe someone with mysql/ bandwith to spare?
greetings
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It wouldn't necessarily have to be done with MySQL/SQLite/etc...XML would work just as well, but can be a bit more tricky to manage. SQL probably would be the better option now that I think about it.
This idea would have 2 parts to it then, correct? The backend (database hosted online somewhere), and the frontend for the user desktop.
As far as the bandwidth required, there are plenty of places on the net that are geared towards hosting of open source projects...perhaps you could use one of their offerings.

The idea first involved a client managed application only. However the idea in the other post about a web based repo liked me better . Ill try to develop a simple web application to add rom's,track changes. I will try to put a test application online tomorrow.
I hope this repo will be used and managed. I like this forum very much and the community could not live without it. This repo would absolutely be and addition to xda!
Using the repo, you could view all available rom's, installation instructions, track changes.
Check the thread tomorrow. Ill try to upload an example
Have a nice day

zuenaerox said:
The idea first involved a client managed application only. However the idea in the other post about a web based repo liked me better . Ill try to develop a simple web application to add rom's,track changes. I will try to put a test application online tomorrow.
I hope this repo will be used and managed. I like this forum very much and the community could not live without it. This repo would absolutely be and addition to xda!
Using the repo, you could view all available rom's, installation instructions, track changes.
Check the thread tomorrow. Ill try to upload an example
Have a nice day
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I think anything is better than what we have now: Threads scattered all over the place with new ROMs getting posted. We need something more centralized.

bro you look like a fake maxisma .. hahahhaha .. sorry had to point that out

@georgegreco86
Well thank you for your kind reply...
@jmhecker
I've put together a quick php,mysql script on a temporary host. It's not possible to add roms. But you can view rom information in an organized way.
This is just an example of what is possible. Never mind the layout.
Its just a quick preview.
androidrepo.zxq.net/index.php
Greetings

Great idea!!!
im not a developer, but im a flashaholic he he, cant wait for this info....

zuenaerox said:
@georgegreco86
Well thank you for your kind reply...
@jmhecker
I've put together a quick php,mysql script on a temporary host. It's not possible to add roms. But you can view rom information in an organized way.
This is just an example of what is possible. Never mind the layout.
Its just a quick preview.
androidrepo.zxq.net/index.php
Greetings
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The one thing to think about with this is when you allw people to add/update/delete their roms. You will have to have some sort of permission system in place that would prevent UserA from deleting a ROM that was created and uploaded by UserB.
Also, this creates another login/password that the rom creators need to remember.

Yeah i thougt about that, unfortunatly we live in a world where you can't trust people. So yes i need to build an user auth system
This was just preview
I'm going to bed now, ill be working on it tomorrow
have a nice day

I like to help
well I am just putting a new linux server online in the next day or so
toss one of my google adds on the page and you can host it there
and as space requirements grow I can add more np
it would at ther very least get it hosted so you guys can get it off the ground
by the way I have been lurking around here for months
some of the stuff you guys have done is truely sweet my phone
will never be the say again unless rogers has its way

Hello guys,
I've been working very hard on the repo and i'm glad to announce that the admin part is allmost fully finished!!
@Broncosis
Thank you for your reply!!!!
i hope your host can run php, and mysql. I use the mysql to upload foto's and roms are saved to the server harddisk. Will this be possible?
Thanks in advance for helping get this project off the ground !!
greetings

zuenaerox said:
Hello guys,
I've been working very hard on the repo and i'm glad to announce that the admin part is allmost fully finished!!
@Broncosis
Thank you for your reply!!!!
i hope your host can run php, and mysql. I use the mysql to upload foto's and roms are saved to the server harddisk. Will this be possible?
Thanks in advance for helping get this project off the ground !!
greetings
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If I may make a suggestion: When you are working on the frontend (what the users (not devs) will see, code it using proper XHTML standards, and utilize classes from within your CSS. The reason I say that is I would be willing to make a desktop application that would scrape your webpage at load, and obtain the ROM categories, rom information, download links, etc, and the user would then be able to simply choose a ROM from the application, which in turn would download it, and create a nandroid backup of the phone, move the ROM over, and flash it, without any user interaction. (thats assuming I can work out a few of the troubles I am running into with ADB and Fastboot)

zuenaerox said:
Hello everyone,
I'm not new to this forum, i have used it for many years now. Yet i have never made any contribution to the community.
I was fiddling with my G1 again when i found out my rom folder was a complete mess filled with update.zip packages, roms i didn't even know i downloaded. So i though, hey lets develop an application to manage all my roms and radio's with a quick button to upload a rom or radio to my g1.
Something like this:
Sorry i could not post a link, it's restricted. My account is still blocked for that. Admin??
I wonder if anyone would be interested in such an application? And if you are interested could you come up with suggestions to make it better/ help me debugging (i'm a student, i don't have a lot of spare time).
If anyone is interested i will seriously think about further developing this app,
it's now in pre-pre-alpha stage or so .
Greetings from holland.
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You may want to partner with the guy who built Droid Explorer. This sounds like a natural extension to that tool (if it's not already baked in). I know you can push things like APKs to the phone from Droid Explorer.

maxawesome said:
You may want to partner with the guy who built Droid Explorer. This sounds like a natural extension to that tool (if it's not already baked in). I know you can push things like APKs to the phone from Droid Explorer.
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Do we know who it was that created Droid Explorer? I would love to be able to improve upon what he has already done.

[Q] Need Help Making Kifno Tweaks an App

So I'm planning on putting this on the android market and I really don't know much about java. Yes I have a lot of free time to learn it but I'm trying to get this done faster than it takes me to learn the java language (not to say that I'm not going to learn the language any way ). I am looking for a partner/team to help me make it an app on the android market. There will be a free version of the application (for xda users of course) and a paid version so that us as a team can make a profit for all our hard work. I my vision for the app is to make it completely universal for all of android. I have the files and tweaks all set already set so that I can have tweaks for ALL of android OS's because I've been holding on to these for a while waiting to see if I could learn java fast enough to do it alone. The specifics of my vision are to make seperate sections in the UI of the app so that the user can choose a category and apply tweaks according to that category. If you are interested in helping me make this an app for all of android phones then please let me know here or through pm. Also we will be splitting the profits equally. So if there are 5 of us we split it 5 ways, 3 of us split it 3 ways and so on and so on. Also I plan on only charging $0.50 - $1.00 for the app. I don't think that is too bad of a price. Can't wait to get this show on the road because I've been holding back on so much and releasing it with the app (which will be huge as is) will be so much more awesome
Can't wait to get to work with the team.
- Kifno

Dude you could've just hit me up on gtalk! I'll give you all the info and let you gitter done on your own. Nobody should be making anything off the work you put in to this!
my signature is better than yours

Okay we'll chat on gtalk later And once I do get it in apk format and on the market, I'm going to give you a big donation for helping me do this

Lol I don't do donations bro. This is fun. Once you start getting paid for it, it's not fun anymore! The whole idea behind xda (as I understand it) is to share information and have fun with what we do. That's why I've been defending your work since day one. I can tell how much fun you have doing this. I'll help as much as I can bro. Just make sure you come with me to the evo 3d when it drops!
my signature is better than yours

abadasstanker69 said:
Lol I don't do donations bro. This is fun. Once you start getting paid for it, it's not fun anymore! The whole idea behind xda (as I understand it) is to share information and have fun with what we do. That's why I've been defending your work since day one. I can tell how much fun you have doing this. I'll help as much as I can bro. Just make sure you come with me to the evo 3d when it drops!
my signature is better than yours
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That's a great attitude brother, +1. And,
My MOS is better than yours.....(Scouts Out)
Suck it.....LOL

abadasstanker69 said:
Lol I don't do donations bro. This is fun. Once you start getting paid for it, it's not fun anymore! The whole idea behind xda (as I understand it) is to share information and have fun with what we do. That's why I've been defending your work since day one. I can tell how much fun you have doing this. I'll help as much as I can bro. Just make sure you come with me to the evo 3d when it drops!
my signature is better than yours
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I was planning on the Epic 4G (mostly because I don't have the funds to get the Evo 3D). But I'll just stay on the HeroC longer until I have enough to get it so that I can be in the same sub-forum as you buddy And time to get started I'll email you right now if you are not online on gmail. And yes I have A LOT of fun developing. I get a huge smile on my face whenever I do something even better for our herocs

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So I'm planning on putting this on the android market and I really don't know much about java. Yes I have a lot of free time to learn it but I'm trying to get this done faster than it takes me to learn the java language (not to say that I'm not going to learn the language any way ). I am looking for a partner/team to help me make it an app on the android market. There will be a free version of the application (for xda users of course) and a paid version so that us as a team can make a profit for all our hard work. I my vision for the app is to make it completely universal for all of android. I have the files and tweaks all set already set so that I can have tweaks for ALL of android OS's because I've been holding on to these for a while waiting to see if I could learn java fast enough to do it alone. The specifics of my vision are to make seperate sections in the UI of the app so that the user can choose a category and apply tweaks according to that category. If you are interested in helping me make this an app for all of android phones then please let me know here or through pm. Also we will be splitting the profits equally. So if there are 5 of us we split it 5 ways, 3 of us split it 3 ways and so on and so on. Also I plan on only charging $0.50 - $1.00 for the app. I don't think that is too bad of a price. Can't wait to get this show on the road because I've been holding back on so much and releasing it with the app (which will be huge as is) will be so much more awesome
Can't wait to get to work with the team.
- Kifno
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Are you going to continue to use my code (and others' code) in your app? I'm only asking because just yesterday, I asked pretty much the same question you just asked today-- we're working on essentially the same project, however, I developed all of my code from scratch. If my battery tweak is going to be used commercially, I'd like to have some say in it-- and I'm pretty much in the same boat you are from a java development perspective. It could be a major coincidence, but it just made the same request in the board and it got me wondering what was up.

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Are you going to continue to use my code (and others' code) in your app? I'm only asking because just yesterday, I asked pretty much the same question you just asked today-- we're working on essentially the same project, however, I developed all of my code from scratch. If my battery tweak is going to be used commercially, I'd like to have some say in it-- and I'm pretty much in the same boat you are from a java development perspective. It could be a major coincidence, but it just made the same request in the board and it got me wondering what was up.
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The only code I used from other's was your code that determined the power source ( i have another 2 other methods of finding the power source if you don't want me to use your code). I developed all of my tweaks from scratch too as of i think v1.2 when I kicked out all other's tweaks that I just copied, pasted, and credited them. I wanted this to be my own work (besides the fact that i used your power source detecting code). But if you want you and I could team up on the app if you'd like. I used your power source code to make a setcpu replacement. Only thing is, is that I never studied user interfaces in bash scripting so i don't know how to give the user a choice as to what value they'd like certain profiles to be. I see you know how to do that in your script. I was going to look at how you did it and just remix it for my script but i'm going to come up with my own menu from scratch but this menu will be the app's menu and not a bash script menu and it won't be like yours, this is all kifno . But yeah other than your power source detecting code, which is pretty much the simplest way to find power source I just couldn't see it in root explorer when I didn't have access to a computer with adb shell for a while:
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power=` cat /sys/class/power_source/battery/charging_source `
this is all kifno's work that i spent hours testing the new values and of the tweaks i came up with.
EDIT: also i've been talking about making this into an app for a long time so yeah it is just a coincidence. I just decided that I wouldn't be able to do it alone because I don't have the knowledge to do so alone....right now
EDIT 2: Also if you don't want me to use your power source detecting code I have another simple method of doing so, it just doesn't show usb charging. This is what I will use if you don't want me using your code that you use.
Code:
power_source=` cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/status `
Then I will just revamp my tweak so that is is optimial for charging and not charging rather than optimal tweaks for usb charging, ac charging, and battery power. So no biggie if you don't want me to use your code because I had many other ways of determing it as well. also if you'd like to team up with me and my team of people who are going to help make my script an app i'd be glad to join forces to make one AWESOME app that will potentially be a MUST HAVE for the heroc. collin_ph batt tweak + kifno tweaks = YOUR HERO HAS JUST GAINED SUPER POWERS!!!!!

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The only code I used from other's was your code that determined the power source ( i have another 2 other methods of finding the power source if you don't want me to use your code).
But yeah other than your power source detecting code, which is pretty much the simplest way to find power source I just couldn't see it in root explorer when I didn't have access to a computer with adb shell for a while:
Code:
power=` cat /sys/class/power_source/battery/charging_source `
this is all kifno's work that i spent hours testing the new values and of the tweaks i came up with.
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You're... you're really serious? You're completely ignoring the fact that you so sloppily copied his code that you ended up leaving his name in the source?
You also copied verbatim the files from [MOD]Custom DNS Servers (etc/ppp/ip-down and etc/ppp/ip-up).
You even copied the etc/init.d/20userinit file from the collin_ph zip. The one that has NOTHING to do with the code you're using. The one that's an OUTDATED copy of the one that already comes with CyanogenMod. Did you realize that by overwriting the one in CM7 with yours, you have effectively REMOVED a feature from CyanogenMod? Between version 6 and 7, this file was updated to support user init scripts both in /sd-ext AND /data. But you wouldn't have included this file if you had ANY idea what it was really doing.
I'm still trying to figure out why you even copied it. There isn't a single thing in your script or collin_ph's script that depends on using it. But it's an obvious indication that you copied more than you would like to admit. And now you say you want to make this into a for-profit app? That's just plain insulting to the nature of XDA.

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You're... you're really serious? You're completely ignoring the fact that you so sloppily copied his code that you ended up leaving his name in the source?
KIFNO: I wasn't trying to hide the fact that I did use his code. What's to hide? I have nothing to lie about.
You also copied verbatim the files from [MOD]Custom DNS Servers (etc/ppp/ip-down and etc/ppp/ip-up).
KIFNO: Those actually don't work lol. I just left them there from when I was using those in my personal v1.5 test builds. Would you like me to show you dated screenshots of all the test builds I have? That doesn't work. But I know another simple method to use custom dns servers on the heroc that will be in the app. So this is again, nothing to hide and actually if you look at the tweak I added my way of using the dns server in the 98kiftweaks file
You even copied the etc/init.d/20userinit file from the collin_ph zip. The one that has NOTHING to do with the code you're using. The one that's an OUTDATED copy of the one that already comes with CyanogenMod. Did you realize that by overwriting the one in CM7 with yours, you have effectively REMOVED a feature from CyanogenMod? Between version 6 and 7, this file was updated to support user init scripts both in /sd-ext AND /data. But you wouldn't have included this file if you had ANY idea what it was really doing.
KIFNO: I do know what I'm doing JM. You just don't THINK I know what I'm doing. And to be honest you do know somethings I don't know at times and I commend you on catching me on my mistakes at times I don't catch them before you do. But "hiding" evidence that I used other's work isn't something I need to be caught on because I tell people when I'm using another's work. So what's to hide when I'm being honest. And again v1.5 stable wasn't cleanly put together. And like I said nothing to hide I said I used some of collin_ph's stuff like a 100x in the kifno script thread if you were reading my post when I was releasing those TERRIBLE versions of v1.3-v1.5 test. So yeah nothing to hide and I know that already JM. Like I said v1.5 stable was sloppily thrown together and I didn't clean it up because I got so excited about releasing my kifCPU which I finally got to work. And that 20userinit file is something that again I knew didn't work/was useless for my script.
I'm still trying to figure out why you even copied it. There isn't a single thing in your script or collin_ph's script that depends on using it. But it's an obvious indication that you copied more than you would like to admit. And now you say you want to make this into a for-profit app? That's just plain insulting to the nature of XDA.
KIFNO: Jason, jason, jason. When I copied it, I never meant to use it When I opened collin_ph's script merged my v1.5 test folders with his folders and deleted what all I didn't need from his script's zip. Or at least I thougth I did because I left the 20userinit file in there. Also I have nothing to hide, in fact I'm typing up a documentation of what all my tweaks do right now! And also when describing something I used that I got from another person (collin_ph's power source bash code line which I posted above which I gave an example of one of my alternatives) I am crediting them and explaining what it does in their script and why I am using it for my script. And okay since using another's power source code is insulting since I want to make this a freeware/for-profit app, I just will go about doing all the things I needed from others (collin_ph's power source) my own way with the many backup methods of getting it done by getting rid of EVERY thing i've bored from other's and using my alternative methods of doing so for a certain tweak I have's purpose. Oh and jason, I have a question, kind of off subject but I've been urging to know, where did you learn java? I know where you learned about android (many documentations of the operating system because I notice you know a lot about what file does what in the system and how files connect to others).
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Red the bold "kifno" text that is in red inside the quote.

Oh and the kifno method only way of doing things aka v1.6 will be released tomorrow along with the documentation that explains in my opinion/to my knowledge of what my tweaks are doing. And every other version I have that is online (because they contain other's way of doing things that i used for my tweaks purpose) will be deleted from the internet. I dont' want to insult xda. I'm just trying to help our heros be better
But back on topic though I have 1 person that has offered to help me in the process of making this an app. If any other's want to help me that'd be awesome.
And also if you do offer to help me i have a lot of files to send you that has everything i've been holding back from the script that i wanted to wait to release in the app version (so that everyone can really see true awesome-ness/why i love our hero )

and here we go again same **** different day

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You just keep changing your story over and over again. You didn't add the line to credit collin_ph until after I pointed out his name in the script. And earlier in this thread, you said all you copied from him was one line of text, but now you say you merged the two together? You're insulting our intelligence.
And then you say the DNS stuff doesn't work and was left in? Just because your copying-and-pasting didn't work doesn't mean you didn't copy it.

Closing thread until I get word from Senior.

InsertCoin ROM documentation project

Important: The docs are up. The live copy can be found on http://docs.insertcoin-roms.org/ and the Git repository on https://github.com/Manko10/InsertCoin-Docs/. For information on how to participate, see the wiki.
Hi,
This thread is related to the InsertCoin ROM by baadnewz (see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1198684). Since I haven't written 10 postings yet, I can't post to that thread nor create a new one in that forum.
InsertCoin has become a quite popular ROM for the HTC Sensation. It has had 200,000 downloads yet and numbers still raise. With increasing popularity it becomes more and more difficult to get hold of information you need concerning installation, problems, modification, tweaking etc. The result is a very high number of redundant questions on the forums and confused newcomers.
The project
Thus being said, it is time to create a good and centralized knowledgebase which helps new users to dive straight into using InsertCoin, keeps the development thread cleaner and helps to push the project forward since energy can be focused more on implementing new features and fixing bugs than on answering the same questions all over again.
baadnewz attempted to launch a Wiki once, but it ceased and shut down (as well as the whole baadnewz.eu server which was the last more or less valuable resource for help outside XDA-Developers.com).
Now my idea is to create a new official InsertCoin documentation project. I talked to baadnewz and he assured it would be promoted and integrated into the official website once it comes to life. The project I'm heading for is a community-driven one. I would work for it as much as I can but I can't do it alone. I'm not experienced enough in many (especially technical areas) of InsertCoin development and Android development in general. There are many things to learn about InsertCoin. And to be honest: I also don't have the time to write all the stuff by myself. Once I had written everything, it would already be outdated. So this project is only possible if other people participate actively.
How shall the documentation be implemented?
I thought of a project hosted on GitHub. Users can fork the project, make changes and send pull requests. For infrequent submissions, we could also provide a special submission form.
A staging server would then pull the HEAD revision regularly, format it and publish it as a website.
Sounds complicated? But it isn't. Git is pretty much straightforward and also users without technical knowledge can learn it very quickly (yes, there are great graphical tools for it). And of course, the documentation would also include a noob-proof guide to contribution.
But why Git? Why not a Wiki?
A Wiki might seem to be easier, but in fact a Wiki has to be updated regularly. Patches for bugs and security holes have to be applied. Additionally, we had to fight spam. Especially when we use some well known software such as MediaWiki, spam bots would love it. That can be a lot of work.
But the main reason is portability. A Wiki is a Wiki, nothing more. Exporting the contents into other formats would be a tedious process. However, when using plain text files with a simple markup language such as Markdown, they can be exported to all formats we like. Not only can the staging server parse it to HTML, but it can also be exported to PDF, CHM files (does anybody still use these?) and many more formats.
All right, but what is to be documented?
Well, a lot. Things I have though of are
Installation
Where to get InsertCoin ROM?
Which version?
How to flash InsertCoin?
How to upgrade from previous versions?
To wipe or not to wipe (and when)?
Kernels
Which Kernels are there?
Where to get them?
What are the differences?
Advantages/disadvantages of specific Kernels
How to install a new Kernel/revert to stock?
What is a Kernel and why can't I install it via the Market? (dumb question, yes, but important to know)
Known problems
Any reported bugs still present in version X?
How do I report my own bugs?
Why does feature Y not work (and never will)?
Features
Why to choose InsertCoin?
How to submit feature requests?
Requirements
What do I need to run InsertCoin?
Which baseband version do I need?
Where do I get a new baseband version and which one to choose?
Does it work on device X, too?
Which is the oldest supported version for custom kernels?
Add-ons
Which add-ons are there?
Where to get them?
How to flash them?
What to be aware of?
How to get rid of malfunctioning add-ons?
Customization
Which themes are there?
How do I install them?
How do I revert back to the default theme?
How to set up custom boot splash and boot animation?
FAQ
Things users ask all the time
Things users might ask regularly in the future
Milestones
Any planned features for future releases?
How many ROMs to release tomorrow?
Participation
How to submit patches?
How to improve the documentation?
How to pay a round for baad?
General information
What else could be valuable information?
How do I backup and restore my data most efficiently and least time consuming for upgrades which force a full wipe?
etc.
The list goes on. It's up to us how much it'll grow. Make suggestions please. Don't hesitate!
And now you come into play!
Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
If I get enough positive feedback and support by people who want to contribute I will start working on the base system, set up the Git repository, write the staging software and launch the project. If not, it would have been at least worth the effort. But you would contribute and give something back to the community, wouldn't you? Sure, indeed...! ;-)
Cheers
Manko10

Do you think, such a project could become a success? Do you have suggestions, ideas, criticism? Post it here. Please.
Would you like to contribute? Post an answer. You would be one of the glorious pioneers.
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of course it'll succeed cause it'll be much easier with plain updated steps (n00b proof )
I would like to contribute if u may allow
THIS IS AWESOME

Of course you can contribute. Everyone is pretty much welcome to do that.

For Baad and InsertCoin itself, I think it would be a perfect success. I myself have been looking for a central resource database for InsertCoin, but always resort to just searching the thread, which is not exactly the most efficient method.
I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer, so I'm sure I'd be able to help in the deployment of such a website. I also happen to have a vBulletin license I'm not using. If Baad wants to expand his ideas even further and have a sort of official InsertCoin forum, all to himself, I could most definitely lend a hand for that.
I'm thinking large scale here; and upon writing this, further ideas have just popped into my head, but I'll save that for later, but hey, Baad is largely-awesome.
If you happen to have an MSN or Skype, Manko, I'd love to talk to you further

i have a better idea for talking / chatting in a more centralized way: IRC
#baadnwz-roms on freenode

I don't know much on the technical ROM-based side of things, but I am a web developer
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So am I.
I'm quite sure, baad will help us as good as he can but he is of course very busy with the ROMS. So it's better to have many guys in the project who know more about the technical stuff.

I would try to help too, if You like. If You don't need IC pro's only

We need everyone (IC pros are needed, but not only).
First of all we need people who have fun writing and maintaining (!) good and understandable documentation.

Guys
if you do this - it will be bloody FANTASTIC!
noobproof guide needed badly

Make it so. Sounds like it could become a great resource.

It will, but only if enough people participate.

why not add chatbox on the coming site, isnt much better? 24/7 we can have conversation as like me, am from the philippines, and my time is different to others

Well, the documentation would also be there 24/7. I think for live talking we should better use IRC (#baadnwz-roms on irc.freenode.net). Embedded chats on websites consume a lot of bandwidth.

lol!, i guess so, yeah, maybe irc is much better. anyways, maybe i can contribute some design for future use.

Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.

koenvbeek said:
Just jeep in mind that IC is also made by baadnewz for the Desire (and the wildfire too?). I'd like to write some things for the Desire version of IC.
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yes once the project starts, desire will be there too
for wf i made 2 roms long time ago, and then i sold the phone

Ill contribute if i can I love this rom

wow... this sounds freaking awsome. i would most definately help with coding once the repositories are set up ^_^

I think it would be really beneficial for everyone especially for the folks who are new to the ROM. 600+ pages of comments are a LOT to read through!

Make it so. (with Jean Luc Picard's Voice ) Nice idea.
Would like to contribute sth, though I have a really tight schedule lately...