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working iphone slide lock and mp3 scroller for WM5???

Check this out... http://techdigest.tv/2007/02/watch_the_iphon.html The working slide lock and scrolling mp3 library is cool. Wouldn't mind getting ahold of that software.

oh my god
how do you do the unlock scroll button. i cant figure it out
iphone who what where........haha this is great. oh this gonna be great if they perfect that scrolling feature.

I just want the locker...

how do we do this. and how to get the slide to work. enlighten us or me.
im using the meizu theme which is better that the iphone theme. the wishbar skin is very accurate with the signal strength plus it kicks ass on my 8525

No idea how he did either one. Perhaps it's flash based.

Slider lock
Guys,
He's using something called,
PPL1.20. PPL can be downloaded for free from http://arianesoft.ca
I installed this, but have no clue on how to use it!!!
http://www.tzywen.com/index.php
Any help here?

The video demo is really impressive...
I hope he'l sheare his develpment
To be honest I dont find faking the iPhone very exciting. However many concept in the interface are worth having (Like the sliding lock, the big icons "a la" claunch, etc...
What would be great is use what he developped and then configure our own icons, background, etc... That do not have to be Apple's one (Yes Apple's oens look good but sooner or later we'll get tired of them...)
Kind of a way to have the best of both worlds

+1 that theme is unreal.

tommyd75 said:
Guys,
He's using something called,
PPL1.20. PPL can be downloaded for free from http://arianesoft.ca
I installed this, but have no clue on how to use it!!!
http://www.tzywen.com/index.php
Any help here?
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It requires programming skills
Basically if what the video shows is tue he did quite a good programming job there (Actually PPL seems ike an interesting tool)

slider
OK,
Anyone willing to try reverse engineering an actual slider lock with this program mentioned above?

hell if i can emulate the iphone on my 8525 why get the iphone. oh 4gb memory, 4gb memory cards are already out. remember we can add third party apps.
but hey its still a hot phone. but check out the meizu iphone copy lol.
i know i can get the iphone for $350 when it comes out though.

tommyd75 said:
OK,
Anyone willing to try reverse engineering an actual slider lock with this program mentioned above?
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That would defiantly be cool. I would even host the download on our web servers to avoid issues...

hey send to me if someone makes it. i dont mind being a guinea pig.
i have a wizard and the hermes

Ouch
The account of the guy has been suspended...
I guess that the host doesnt want troubles with Apple (+ probably he had a huge bandwith consumption...)
Obviously it's "programmable" and he seems to have it done pertty nicely
The whole point now is to have him share his development (Too much work to start this from scratch...)

His site is back up
However he is staying mute... No answer on his blog when you post a message..

look this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1162450&postcount=32

http://www.ozankilic.com/?p=31#comment-610
hey people! here is the new updated slider!
it supports:
* Lock the Pocket PC keyboard inputs - NEW!
* fullscreen without taskbar
* 12 hour support (like “10:22 AM”) - FIXED
* highlighting “slide to unlock” text
* english dates (like “saturday, march 14″)
* error sound plays when tapping anywhere except slider button
* opening sound plays when slider align to right (3 second)
i’m trying to get load external image to background.. it works in flash test file but it not works after the compiled exe file..

[BETA] WM6 Dailer Skin - Big Buttons & Smartdail

At last:
Now we have a way to have a big button Dailer Skin WITH Smartdail.
I have rebuild the dll from scratch, and now we can use it for dailerskinning WM6.
The attached skin is a BETA, this means not everyting looks nice, but it is a great starting point for making new skins, or adapting existing skins.
To do (DLL):
-Layout tweaking (I am not happy yet with the overal layout)
Please post your suggestions here, and I'll consider them, and the good ones will be incorperated into the dll, and eventualy into the dailer-skin builder I am working on.
Skin:
See attached jpg:

OMG I freaking LOVE you man! It looks amazing! I am going to keep it! It looks a lot better than the standard layout, and GREAT for dialing with the fingers (I have an invidisible shield screen pretector so its practically scratch resistant). Not only that, for some reason, it FIXED my redialing issue. With the new crossbow rom, it wouldn't call the most recent person on the history list because it was organized in alphabetical order. A history log should obviously be organized by TIME. But i dunno man, it works and I just wanted to say kudos! U have really made my device a million times easier to call vai touch screen. To begin, touch screens alone are rather annoying to call from because there simply isn't any "physical push-back" button response. But with the large buttons, its practically FLAWLESS. THANKS AGAIN!
It is something i would consider using permanently. However some minor suggestions would be to shrink the text of the list of last people called so you and possibly widen it across the screen, so you could see more than just two recent entries.

marscandybars said:
OMG I freaking LOVE you man! It looks amazing! I am going to keep it! It looks a lot better than the standard layout, and GREAT for dialing with the fingers (I have an invidisible shield screen pretector so its practically scratch resistant). Not only that, for some reason, it FIXED my redialing issue. With the new crossbow rom, it wouldn't call the most recent person on the history list because it was organized in alphabetical order. A history log should obviously be organized by TIME. But i dunno man, it works and I just wanted to say kudos! U have really made my device a million times easier to call vai touch screen. To begin, touch screens alone are rather annoying to call from because there simply isn't any "physical push-back" button response. But with the large buttons, its practically FLAWLESS. THANKS AGAIN!
It is something i would consider using permanently. However some minor suggestions would be to shrink the text of the list of last people called so you and possibly widen it across the screen, so you could see more than just two recent entries.
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Thanks for your comments
As for the sugestions:
The backspace button is a bit in the way for the calllist, but I'll try to widen the list and still keep a backspace button in one form or another, or else find a way to edit the fontsize of the list.

great work on that! I wish I knew how to help you fix the last few things or make new similar skins (colours). If you need any help let me know!

One step ahead
pencilcase said:
great work on that! I wish I knew how to help you fix the last few things or make new similar skins (colours). If you need any help let me know!
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Well, I am working on a program that will create the skin for you.
Just choose the background, select the button-layout, adjust the transparency of the buttons, press: build cab, and presto, you have created a new skin
I am beta testing a part of it now, looks very promissing

but there isn't video call button?

SpH1nX said:
but there isn't video call button?
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For the wizard??
Never saw this function on the wizard wm6.

It's work on my dopod 838 (wizard)
Thanks a lot.

thanks great skin works well

Updated Beta new layout
V2 is out.. (BUT STILL A BETA)
In this version I have incorperated the suggestions from Marscandybars.
Thanks for the input MCB!
[edit: works also with Faria's new WM6 ROM ]
The preview:

the-equinoxe said:
For the wizard??
Never saw this function on the wizard wm6.
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Sorry man i didn't notice that i was speakin' on the wizard forum.
I was referring to hermes.

If you would send me the tapres.dll and the tapres.dll.0419.mui I could try to make it compatible with the hermes.
However I can't test it because I don't own a tytn (yet ).
Best regards,
EqX

Very nice...I used this for WM5 and it was cool too.
Thanks for the work, I really needed this, keep 'em coming.

techlogik said:
Very nice...I used this for WM5 and it was cool too.
Thanks for the work, I really needed this, keep 'em coming.
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This version works on WM5? I can't upgrade to WM6 year because BT DUN has been removed so I'm stuck for now.

FYI this is working great on my Cingular 8525 (Hermes) with WM6.

Wow! Really nice dialer! I love it!
I wonder if you could do the same thing with the dialer from the wm5 that looks cool. I downloaded from somewhere and it is the dialer in Vista style! I am attaching it.

Thank you very much for this before I saw this post I was about to give up on the wm6,(fingers are too big for the small dialer)

1 question,
When I start dialing and numbers come up if I press the down on the pad and then the middle pad button it shows me the last dial screen, before it used to dial the number ?

yozh said:
1 question,
When I start dialing and numbers come up if I press the down on the pad and then the middle pad button it shows me the last dial screen, before it used to dial the number ?
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I'd love to help... but i don't quite understand the question... u might wanna rephrase that... i read it a couple of times and i'm so confused as to what you are asking ...

yozh said:
1 question,
When I start dialing and numbers come up if I press the down on the pad and then the middle pad button it shows me the last dial screen, before it used to dial the number ?
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It's a feature from wm6..
You 'll see the contact info, and then dail.

Is Touch Flo3D silly junk?

I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me

Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.

its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once

As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
Surur

Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.

I really like it. It gives me access to what I need to see when I glance at the screen (except tasks) and finger-touch access to programs.
It does screw up maybe once a day though requiring a soft reset. I applied the mods recommended and they made my TP freeze a lot so I changed them back to default.

It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.

I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good

Some people are just afraid of change. As there still millions of windows 98 users out there. LMAO, people need to move with the times

Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.

I like Touchflo3d, but I missed my usual today screen setup.
The easy answer is to use secondtoday, that way I get the best of both worlds, one tap on the screen switches between them.

Gigs said:
Touchflo3d is indeed the most beautiful interface I've ever seen. It remained for about one month on my mobile phone. After that I still installed pocket plus (the program who puts icons dirrectly on screen and used only one tab in which I put all my programs).
Reason 1: functionality. It takes several moves in TF3D to do simple tasks. For example if I am in the home screen I cannot start with a single click an app. I have to scroll (and be quite carrefull to go in the desired position) and after that start a program etc. Imagine if in Windows you would be forced to use start, programs every time if you wanted to use an program...it'll kill you. That's why we activate programs by clicking the icon on the screen after all...it's the fastest way. All in all, to be clear, if it would be a contest between a TF3D and a Pocket Plus-type of program, everytime the pocket plus device will "click" the application faster, while in TF3D depends on where TAB are you..
Reason 2: familiarity with Windows way of activating programs. As I said before it's more simple for me to simply activate the icon on screen and not bother with some paradigm of displaying emails or SMS (and related to that, do you want to be able that someone can take a look at your info by simply scrolling to that tab? I don't)
Reason 3 -not quite a reason, but a proof that this a better interface in my opinion: the simple-icon-on-display type of interface is actually validated by the Iphone which we all know as a beautiful device at least.
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Pocket Plus sound like exactly what I need!
nuke1 said:
I'm not sure which one of the 2 voting options is meant to be good
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Bunk = bad and handy gooey is handy GUI or handy Graphical User Interface
migsims said:
It's actually a great enhancement to WM. almost everything that needs to be readily accessible is "touchable" no need to get irritated and use the tip of my nail to make sure I press it just right. Even the corner X close button works almost flawlessly because the screen touch area is now flush.
I know there has been some whining but this really is the best match, easy touch interface for the simple phone stuff, and the ability to use a keyboard and a stylus for things that just aren't feasable to use efficiently with a finger on a touch screen.
I'm a very happy camper with the Fuze... well except for that ****ing GPS crap.
I'd also like to add that I think most of us really created and adapted ways to be able to not use the touchscreen for a lot of things, and with good reason considering how much I hate using a stylus to navigate a UI. So I think a ton of us bring a certain baggage about using our fingers because it just really did always suck that bad. Which thanks to HTC it really doesn't now. Plus this screen may not be like the capacitive Iphone but man it's definitely a lot smoother, the word "silky" comes to mind with how it feels compared to my Tytn.
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maybe thats why I'm having so much trouble with the touch screen. I tap something,,,, wait 5 seconds,,, tap again,,,, wait 6 seconds then give up and get out the stylus. Maybe I should re-enable touchflo to stop this problem
surur said:
As you can see, you are clearly outvoted. They had the same poll over at ppcgeeks (How many are still using TouchFlo3D) and of the 320 people who participated,80% were still using it.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?p=482651
TF3D brings an essential level of style to Windows Mobile.
Surur
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Thats interesting. Thanks for the link. Maybe I should give touchflo 3D a another shot.
chetmichaels said:
its the first thing i disabled. in my opinion its pretty darn ugly...except for the weather thing, its kind of cute. but i like having all my stuff on the home screen where i can see it all at once
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Me too. Thats why I copied and pasted the links that are in folders within the program folder back up to the program folder. I like having everything in 1 spot. I wish it was alphabetized though.
kareem9nba said:
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Performance wasn't really the issue for me. It just seemed like pointless eye candy.

James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.

kareem9nba said:
Have you modified it with the tweaks to enhance the performance? All it is is really just another shell, your preference there.
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Care to share those kareem?

jamespaulritter said:
I disabled touch flo 3d right away because it seems like pointless eye candy. It seems like a sloppy rough integration that is a greater impedance than an assistant. Or is it just me
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Definitely NOT at all. We must be on different spectrum of the universe. I like TF3D a great deal, make navigating the phone intuitive and seamless. It is just you.
Without TF3D, my Sprint TP would just be any other run of the mill Win Mobile big screen phone. My 39 cents.

TF3D is totally kickass! I love it for everything. Althought I do wish they had the map intergration that they have in TF2D. I also want the stocks tab and am waiting for the hd manilla to be perfected . Other than that, the original htc theme, with q-style font, my personalized background, tweaks from diamond config, and stock fuze rom, it runs pretty darm fast. Only did a soft reset once and that waas because I was attempting to run a qvga application and it crashed.

Gigs said:
James, you'll really find SPB Pocket Plus really nice. The thing with it is to remove all the tabs, as they really only generate useless clicks to navigate where your program is, and in final squeeze in one tab only the icons you need. I have 3x5 icons(with no text and large size enabled) and if I really think some of them I don't really need - like powerpoint and so on.To give an exameple this is what I consider usefull:Comunication Manager, Resco Explorer, HTC Album, Igo, Camera, Excel, Word, Coreplayer, sms, activesync,radio, opera, 1-calc (a very nice calculator) and notes. And supplimentary I have enabled the calendar and date plugins in today screen. This is a very nice setup - eficient - and if you set a non transparent background, very nice, kinda stylish look. Now, I have seen that you complained about precision of tapping - beware that in the margins and corners of display you'll have sometimes to get out the stylus. Give that pocket plus a try.It really made my days.
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I agree. Let's not turn into a bunch of iPhone cattle. They stick to their phones like cult even when plagued with numerous problems.
Get SPB mobile. It blows TFTD out of the water.

dgduris said:
Style, schmile!
If I wanted style I'd have the Jesus phone that Apple makes - with one of the great cases from Vaja.
Instead, I want to look at my screen and gain information. On my day, on the stock market, on the weather and on the number of messages I am currently blowing off.
I too liked the weather bit. I also appreciated that TF3D goes a good job at memory management. Maybe when I get the time to learn how to customize it, I'll return to TF3D.
For now, though it is back to WinMob running Pocket Breeze in full screen mode with panels for pA and Pocket Weather.
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I didn't know the Lord makes phones
Back to the subject, it's all a personal preference. I think it's great, and makes the phone a lot more fun and a little easier to use, you don't, but nobody is right or wrong on this one.

ababrekar said:
Care to share those kareem?
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They are stickied in the Raphael subforum
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413562
BTW I have been using TFL3D since when I got my TP in August. SPB Shell seems outdated now but I have it installed anyway, accessible via Second Today

[APP][29/11/09] l3v5y Multitouch Paint

In the same style as the Stantum resistive multitouch screen demos, I've made a multitouch paint application.
There's a video here.
You can use one finger on the "slider" to select the colour, and the other to draw with, or just draw with one or both fingers. Double tap to clear the screen, and press and hold to exit.
Let me know what you think!
You need to soft reset before this will work properly.
For those of you with single touch screens, it'll work, but with only one finger at a time...
Developers, check out this.

video is not working?

Maybe there : http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=10863

Youtube just taking a while to process....
This looks amazing L3v5y well done that man!
All I need now is the HD2 to play with.

DocteurN said:
Maybe there : http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=10863
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yes working,nice application,thanks

This looks pretty sweet. Too bad a CDMA HD2 doesn't exist..... yet.....
dwizzy130

doesn't work for me just single touch

wazaaappp said:
doesn't work for me just single touch
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Did you soft reset? (should have mentioned that in the first post...)

Looks good indeed Some suggestions:
1. Tap and hold under the color bar to get a magnifier glas to se the color you selected.
2. If you swipe the screen slowly the drawing becomes choppy.. Dont know why but you might want to look in to it
3. Select other sizes for the brush..
Good work!

Bravooooooooo! Thank you!

l3v5y said:
Did you soft reset? (should have mentioned that in the first post...)
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works like a charm thanks!!!

barbapappa_86 said:
Looks good indeed Some suggestions:
1. Tap and hold under the color bar to get a magnifier glas to se the color you selected.
2. If you swipe the screen slowly the drawing becomes choppy.. Dont know why but you might want to look in to it
3. Select other sizes for the brush..
Good work!
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1) Sounds like a nice idea, will think how best to do that.
2) That's because I'm drawing a line between the previous point and the current point. When you move less far, the line is shorter than it is wide, and much more prone to that. Will work on getting it less choppy.
3) That sounds like it could be useful, will think how to do that...
I'm also thinking it might be useful to save images, and "retract" the colour selector so you can use the whole screen.

wazaaappp said:
doesn't work for me just single touch
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same here!
anyways good job l3v5y! i'll take a look at the code you posted.
edit: i see reset is needed! thanks

makeveral said:
same here!
anyways good job l3v5y! i'll take a look at the code you posted.
edit: i see reset is needed! thanks
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Reset should fix it.
Will add a soft reset function to the cab.

l3v5y,
looks amazing.. multitouch! who would have thought..
Just curious.. do you have plans to take this further? I am very much into painting and one of the main reason for buying HD2.. but haven't quite found a suitable painting app.. think the closest is the Dynaink.. but the colour palette don't show all colours. (same with your colour window as well..)
would be great if you can adjust the size of brushes and maybe just a smaller tab to bring out the colour window perhaps?
keep up the awesome work mate.
cheers

l3v5y said:
1) Sounds like a nice idea, will think how best to do that.
2) That's because I'm drawing a line between the previous point and the current point. When you move less far, the line is shorter than it is wide, and much more prone to that. Will work on getting it less choppy.
3) That sounds like it could be useful, will think how to do that...
I'm also thinking it might be useful to save images, and "retract" the colour selector so you can use the whole screen.
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That sounds nice Another thing. Maybe have the possability to have "layers", so you can go back and add some, and then go back again.. Diffrent tools like spray etc..

Congratulations...
Now, we can say that HD2 is really a MultiTouch...

Cool! Nice app.

Nice one mate. Can you explain to why I have been led to believe multitouch was only going to for HTC's own apps, and not for public development?
Edit: I must be an idiot since everyone else got it to work (I did soft reset) but it crashes on me if I try multitouch, or it gives me single touch...
Edit2: And like magic it started to work all of a sudden.... I think your app is making fun of me....

I soft reset and it didnt seem to work still, was taking me back to the home screen, but then it worked, great work l3v5y
Although on mine it still seems to crash frequently but only when having two fingers when one is on the colour part and swiping, seems hit an miss, anyone else have this?

Porting Bottom Start button from WM6.5 to WM 6.1

Hello, guys!
You all are professionals and know almost everything about different versions of WM. I have one very important question: is there at least minimal possibility to port somehow this WM 6.5.5 feature - bottom start button to the old WM 6.1 firmwares?
Thank you very much in advance and sorry if this question is a foolish one

It's sort-of possible but would take a little work. Why not just use a 6.5 rom instead?
I think the greater challenge would be resizing the top bar (smaller) and the bottom bar (larger).

Thanks for the answer!
littld said:
It's sort-of possible but would take a little work.
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I even can't imagine how it could be implemented... Don't you know if there already was some work for achieving it?
littld said:
Why not just use a 6.5 rom instead?
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Because it seems more slow to me. Official WM6.1 is very fast and simple as I see, faster than 6.5. I've tried a lot of 6.5 builds. But what I really miss in WM6.1 - is this bottom start button. If it be there - it would be the best firmware for all people like me, who like simplicity and usability instead of these huge slow animations and pictures.
littld said:
I think the greater challenge would be resizing the top bar (smaller) and the bottom bar (larger).
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Yeah, it's useful too. Would be nice if somebody experienced considered this interesting and made some investigation...

it's easy to erase the Start menu link from the top bar. you can just overwrite the WindowProc and replace/enhance the WM_PAINT method and here you go.
It's no problem to launch the start menu. But changing the bottom bar is a *****! You could just overwrite the paint method as well. But this is not the full truth. The problem here is that every window got it's own bottom bar. So first you'd have to go through list of all windows/processes, retrieve it's menu bar and from there finally replace the window proc. Then you need to watch out and terminate your window proc if the application closes. And of course you also need to know if a new program is starting up. A nice-to-have feature of this solution would be that you can explicitely tell what happens when you hit the X button (hide or close) and don't need another hack for it.

Thanks a lot for your explanation, RAMMANN. It's very clear.
I can't do it by myself due to lack of experience. Well, the thing left is to wait if somebody experienced wants the same

Well it's a project that probably involves A LOT OF soft resets during development. I was originally planning to make the WM 6.5.x bottom bar look like PHOTON (the WM 7 that got abandoned) but when I figured out it's not THAT easy I postponed the idea for the time being, and will rather start with a smaller project (enhancing bottom bar of WM 6.5 start menu). But I reckon this might still be a very interesting project! hmmmm

RAMMANN said:
Well it's a project that probably involves A LOT OF soft resets during development. I was originally planning to make the WM 6.5.x bottom bar look like PHOTON (the WM 7 that got abandoned) but when I figured out it's not THAT easy I postponed the idea for the time being, and will rather start with a smaller project (enhancing bottom bar of WM 6.5 start menu). But I reckon this might still be a very interesting project! hmmmm
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Haha - that's exactly what I'd been doing years ago. I abandoned it as well, probably for the same reasons.
I think a decent compromise would be to set the Start menu in your left bottom bar on the Today screen (pretty easy to do, just registry change) and use a button assignment for other programs. If you install one of the start menu replacements (Green software) you can overwrite the start icon with something blank.
RAMMANN is right - a lot of work to repaint all those application windows!

littld, thanks for your answer too.
littld said:
set the Start menu in your left bottom bar on the Today screen (pretty easy to do, just registry change) and use a button assignment for other programs.
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Could you please give some links to these tweaks? Thanks in advance!

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Haha - that's exactly what I'd been doing years ago. I abandoned it as well, probably for the same reasons.
RAMMANN is right - a lot of work to repaint all those application windows!
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Well I didn't give up yet. I didn't even start dev for it. I just coded few lines to print something like "Hey your bottom bar is hacked!" in the Manila and start menu bottom bars. This is a very interesting project and has potential to allow a lot of things like Photon style or even an Android style bottom bar and I mean not only a standalone app like Androkkid but a full system replacement. I'm still looking around for an efficient way to realize this project and first things first so I'll be doing a start menu enhancement to warm up

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littld, thanks for your answer too.
Could you please give some links to these tweaks? Thanks in advance!
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I don't have the links but you can search. You want an app called VJKeypress - one of the keypresses will launch the start menu for you. Make a shortcut (.lnk file) for it. Search for how to change the left softkey text and program (somewhere in registry) to the new VJ link.

Thanks for your answers, guys.
RAMMANN, when you have some progress on this project, please, update this thread. I think people would appreciate it.
Thanks again!

RAMMANN said:
it's easy to erase the Start menu link from the top bar. you can just overwrite the WindowProc and replace/enhance the WM_PAINT method and here you go.
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I know this is an old post i dug up here, but i was wondering how i would go about earasing the start menu link from the top? i'm using 6.5 and i want to totaly dissable the top start soft key. thank you