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Instant Message (Chat) Software options

I have seen many messages go by discussing what is the best software for instant messaging. Up until recently, I had been using Agile Messenger. It was quite unstable when I first started using it a couple of years ago, but it is much better now. There is a cost now, which I think is high, but I would be willing to pay. Before buying into Agile though, I felt I should review my other options, and I have run into problems with each. Can anyone either help me get past these problems, or perhaps suggest another solution? Here are the programs I have tried and the problems I have experienced.
Agile Messenger - I have become very happy with the software, but I am not fond of subscriptions. I would much prefer to be able to buy the software outright. I may be able to get over that, but I discovered something else. I like to try the different ROM's that show up on this board and I have noticed that my customer ID in Agile changes with the different ROM's. Does this mean I need to buy a new license each time I change my ROM? I have written email to Agile about this and a couple of other questions and I have never heard back. I am concerned about the lack of support. There are also security questions that have been presented elsewhere on this board about having a middleman handle your connection to the various chat services since the middleman needs to know the username and password to connect.
IM+ - I tried this program, and I like the fact that I can purchase it and be done. I also like that it seems to connect directly to the chat services, thus getting rid of the middleman problem mentioned above. I have been experiencing a problem though where I appear to be online, both from my side, and from the side of my buddies, but messages do not go through. I have also experienced situations where I have successfully sent messages to friends, they replied, but I did not receive the replies. I find this type of unreliability to be intolerable, especially since you can not tell if it is happening. As far as you know, you are sending messages but your friends are not responding when they very well might be. I have tried reinstalling after a hard reset with the same problem.
IMOV - From what I can tell, this is just a XMPP (Jabber, Google..) client. It relies on relays on the Internet to access any other chat system such as AOL, or Yahoo. This introduces the problem with the middleman above, but further, these relays are practically anonymous. At least with Agile, I have some idea (though not a perfect one) who I am entrusting my credentials to. I do not have that with the relays used by XMPP. I guess I could research the available relays and find one I trust, but I am not looking to do that right now.
Verichat - I have not tried this in a while. It is another subscription based system and is a middleman. I guess my thought is that if I am going to pay an ongoing fee AND have a middleman, I would rather have Agile.
Okay, this has gotten to be a long post, but I think it presents my current position. I communicate with users of AOL, Yahoo, Google, and MSN. I can not get all of them to see reason and just all change to IRC or XMPP :-D
I am running this on a Universal (i-Mate Jasjar) with Windows Mobile 5. I am posting in general because I am sure this is a topic that affects many of the XDA phones.
Thanks for any input you can provide.

As far as IRC is concerned, don't forget to check out my IRC-related roundups - I've cross-posted some of the latest ones here in the General forum too.

I have just discovered those. I have given thought to using IRC, but I do not know if I need yet another transport to become dependant on. If I had it all to do over again, I would select IRC and / or XMPP for how open they are and ignore anyone who refused to do the same. (In a perfect world.. )

Octro: Gtalk
There is also Octro which is a Google Chat program that can do chat and VOIP even over a 1x connection (uses the jabber connection).
http://www.octro.com/
It's only for Google right now but the developers have noted that they will add AIM, Y!, MSN, etc later on (it's still in beta).
The VOIP part is really neat. It's not perfect but it is much less resource intensive than Skype and feels more "phone like" when you get an incoming call.
We have an ongoing thread where here at ppcgeeks.com where the developer pops in (they're very good at fixing bugs, adding features, etc.)
http://www.ppcgeeks.com/octro-new-im-client-w-voip-support-1-05-on-1-3-07-t1459.html#12485
The software is free right now but there will be a cost later. For me, this software has the most potential out of all the other programs if only b/c it's being developed now and you the user can help make it better...

Octro looks good..
I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?

Octro adds AIM, ICQ and MSN
mrdata1701b said:
I look forward to seeing Octro when the other IM systems are added. I wonder what kind of cost will be attached. Anyone have suggestions to solve the problems I was having with IM+? Has anyone else tried to contact Agile? Any luck?
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Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.

yea im also looking into some other options since i upgraded my rom. they discontinued verichat so unless you have your old license (if you bought it) its not going to work. im using octro now and it seems to be working fine. i tried installing agile but theyre files are all messed up. any more suggestions?

Not Quite sure how aim is incorporated.
How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.

thedubya914 said:
How exactly does one go about using their aim acount with octro? I just downloaded the pocket pc version from the site and just got a google talk account but still haven't figured out how to contact people using aim. Is this possible? Any help would be appreciated.
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Menu/Option/Accounts/Legacy Accounts
GoogleTalk must be online
or RTFM
Welcome to this forum

There is a new one that does them all (AIM, MSN, GTalk, Yahoo, ICQ, and Jabber) that is currently free and Java based. I quit using IM+ (which I paid for) and am using it exclusively. Currently the beta testing is closed while I think they upgrade their servers, but should open up again shortly I think).
It is supposed to be for the crackberries, but works great on my Dash and K-Jam:
http://www.bbhub.com/2007/01/25/jivetalk-im-beta-available-to-try/
http://blackberryforums.pinstack.com/17577-jivetalk_beta_multi_client_im_application.html
-Mc

malatesta said:
Good news, AIM, ICQ and MSN were just added! (still experimental but it works for me)
Version 1.06 came out today. As far as price...dunno. It's free though till the end of Feb.
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Thanks for this. Haven't heard of them yet. Ima give it a try now. If it's works great and isn't subsciption based like Agile, I'm down...

anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA

alfredtv said:
anyone get this running on WM6 specifically the T-Mobile MDA
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You mean Octro? It's working great under WM6 - have been testing it.
I'll publish a big roundup of all these apps in the next 1-2 days - stay tuned

hey anyone know of one that will use http proxy?

See http://forum.xda-developers.com:80/showthread.php?t=294938 for a preview of the article (sorry, it has a typo: Ocrp vs Octro. I'll fix this in the final version.)

I've been using Octro 1.09 on my 8525 on t-mobile. I prefer it to Agile. The voice function works but not very well. Excessive delay and feedback requires use of a headset. I can tether to my laptop and use GTalk and the voice is flawless. I'm hoping they work on the voice feature more. Other than issues with voice Octro is excellent.

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RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07

cyberstraz said:
RE: OCTRO
The site says it expires on 2/28/07
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Then, surely a new version comes really soon.

so nothing that works via http (8080) proxy?

Voice Dialing in WM6 ?

I have a used HTC 8125 with a cooked WM6 by mfrazzz XDA 10.1.0.811
I did a search in the forums but cannot seem to find a clear answer on this question.
I am technical but not with phone OS or devices so much.
My online Documentation for the device clearly shows Voice Dial functionality but I cant find it in the device. I see online that M$ has Voice Command app but no mention of the functionality without that. Did they remove it? I don't want to pay for stuff I don't need. ATT says that I have to pay 4.99/month for them to turn it on. That sounds like bull to me.Can anyone tell me what the real story is on this? I've spent an entire Saturday morning searching and I could be playing golf.​
Thanks so much in advance from a N00b!

defaultly windows mobile dont have voice dialing
there are 3th party programs which provide it
some devices could come with such programs preinstalled
not sure if there are free options though

Tellme for wm6.5

hi,
just saw this software that will be available for wm6.5.
its a voice activating software (sent texts, make calls etc with voice commands)
www.tellme.com
i think its a sub company of microsoft making it.
it says its going to be available through wm marketplace for wm6.5 phones, but cant see why it wont run on other wm OS's.
anyone got a beta of the software? or any other info

Nice site.. Lets wait and see how nice the program would be..

How it is different from MS Voice Command ?

bogdatov said:
How it is different from MS Voice Command ?
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you can search the net for items and places with a voice command (eg. starbucks or ipod etc)
u can also write texts and send them using your voice.
i think it is the evolution if the ms voice command software (microsoft trying to interwine software together and changing the name so that it seems like something fresh and new).

bogdatov said:
How it is different from MS Voice Command ?
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Read the link it does all that and more.

Are MS ever going to release this then?

TellMe was (I believe) a separate company working on this snazzy voice control software, and I believe MS snatched them up to use as a replacement for MSVC going forward.
"Tellme" is certainly a snappier name than "Microsoft Voice Command." It actually looks like Tellme combines MSVC with the voice controls of the Bing app. I wonder how much overlap there will be.

Tell Me is part of the Samsung Intrepid WM 6.5 ROM. Would be great to be able to install that on my phone. Anyone up for the challenge?

hmmm would really like to install this... any1 with an interprid that would let someone here get the app. dont kno how its done but im sure the smart guys here do

shappy0869 said:
Tell Me is part of the Samsung Intrepid WM 6.5 ROM. Would be great to be able to install that on my phone. Anyone up for the challenge?
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Ditto.
Would love to get my hands on that cab.

TellMe
Tellme's primary business is in enterprise IVR systems and Voice enabled CRM and such. The TellMe Mobile apps including the WN6.5 client and the BB client as well at the 555-tell all agregate the voice samples collected during use to make the voice recognition part of their software more acurate and reduce the need for programming.
Seems pretty ingenious and gives Tellme a huge chance to be a great voice app unlike some apps that leave me screaming at my phone like some crazed person. While it again dials some completely random number from my phone book.
I hope that this exclusivity for the intrepid is short lived.

mrudzik said:
Tellme's primary business is in enterprise IVR systems and Voice enabled CRM and such. The TellMe Mobile apps including the WN6.5 client and the BB client as well at the 555-tell all agregate the voice samples collected during use to make the voice recognition part of their software more acurate and reduce the need for programming.
Seems pretty ingenious and gives Tellme a huge chance to be a great voice app unlike some apps that leave me screaming at my phone like some crazed person. While it again dials some completely random number from my phone book.
I hope that this exclusivity for the intrepid is short lived.
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So, do you have a link for the cab or not?

Hamidxa said:
So, do you have a link for the cab or not?
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Dont I wish....so for just reading the site abunch goping for someone with access to the right phone.
on a seperate note all these exlusive deals tick me off. They should just post the app in marketplace and be done with it.

All we need is a ROM dump from the interpid, and we should be able to pull it out and create a cab. However, the phone isn't available yet so we will have to wait a bit longer.

Someone with a Samsung Intrepid needs to port it for us.

yes please

You can get it now, well according to their site, however Im in the uk and thus I dont think i will work for me!....
http://www.tellme.com/you/get

How frickin' insulting!!! Right now, on AT&T, T-Mobile & Verizon it's only available on Blackberry devices! And on Sprint, it's all Blackberry except for one WM device - the Intrepid!
WTF, Microsoft?!

Package here.It doesn't understand a touch screen, but it seems to work.

Hey guys, since I'm such a 1337 H4x0r I managed reverse engineer the installer from PPCGeeks to find out where the installer got the .cab from. Well, it paid off and I found the .cab straight from the site, and you can download it from: http://m.tellme.com/windows_mobile/TellmeSamsungIntrepid3515.cab. It still doesn't work on my Rhodium, but I figured I'd post this anyway, so you don't have to go to download from PPCGeeks or if you wanted a .cab file instead of the installer.

SMS Vulnerability impacting WM devices?

I read from this article:http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/31/apple-to-release-fix-for-iphone-sms-vulnerability-on-saturday/
It says the vulnerability impacts our WM phone as well. Anyone has checked that and if fix is available? Tried using Google to search our beloved forum but didn't pop up anything yet ..

I read about this too and if it can be patched that quickly on Android then I'd hope it should also be a quick patch on WinMo, especially as the SMS functionality is implemented in pretty much the same way apparently.
Plus XDA has people who are working with Android so maybe they can share what changes Google have made?

I am fairly surprised this hasn't been picked up by the technical bods here as it is quite a major vulnerability and Apple and Google have patched their OS's so WinMo is trailing behind... unless someone knows of a patch thats already been done?

I'm going to PM some mods I know ..

Any response from them yet?

Our good Dave is going to check with some resident expert.. and hopefully some lights to be shed.
From the info I gathered, it actually result in DOS for iPhone and Android, but no news/confirmation on WM yet. So we don't know. However, given the method explored by the author, it's likely at minimum resulting the same (DOS, phone hung, etc.). I think, for phone user, this is critical, as you can't spend your day checking the phone always just to make sure it's still connecting to network/operators.

From what I read the vulnerability could allow for remote code execution including reading your phone's storage and activating cameras and gps. So someone could write an app that send this information back via the data connection and that person could be watched and tracked without knowing that there were compromised.
This is obviously worst case scenario but I for one would sit on the paranoia side of the fence and get it plugged. If we can.

From what I got and discussion, it's mostly DOS.
However, IMO, it still scary. You can't be contacted nor SMS-ed without you realizing until you need to initiate call/ connection.
For someone most of the time on receiving side (doctors, etc) it's really a danger. I do hope our resident expert can find out something, as I don't think MS will be doing it.

You may want to read this article where they interview one of the guys that found the vuln...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hacking-iphone-security,2384.html
(Linked from Slashdot -
Specifically this bit on page 4...
Charlie: Collin's framework also works on Android and WinMobile. We found some denial of service bugs in Android (which we reported and are fixed) and a pretty bad bug in the way HTC WinMobile phones handle SMS messages containing the format specifier %n. That's a fun one because you don't need any special tools to send the malicious message, just use your phone to text your buddy with %n and their TouchFlo (application manager) will crash and won't come back up.

Starfury said:
Specifically this bit on page 4...
Charlie: Collin's framework also works on Android and WinMobile. We found some denial of service bugs in Android (which we reported and are fixed) and a pretty bad bug in the way HTC WinMobile phones handle SMS messages containing the format specifier %n. That's a fun one because you don't need any special tools to send the malicious message, just use your phone to text your buddy with %n and their TouchFlo (application manager) will crash and won't come back up.
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Well, tested the %n story, didn't crash anything on my Topaz WM 6.5 manila 2.5
So regarding manila 2.5 it's: fud
EqX

the-equinoxe said:
Well, tested the %n story, didn't crash anything on my Topaz WM 6.5 manila 2.5
So regarding manila 2.5 it's: fud
EqX
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I believe the current HTC handsets come with WM6.1 now as standard, either HTC or Operator flavoured. As this is a forum for all HTC devices on WM5.0/6.0/6.1/6.5 can we have some testing done on stock ROM's on stock devices please?

I'm going to send a %n text to my buddy's phone and see.
At least now the thread is getting some attention. My concern is for people (like me) that rely more on receiving call/SMS than making call/sending SMS. A crashed network connection will result in no phone at all.

How'd the testing go and any movement on patching?

Just sent myself a %n message but nothing happened. On TPC v10.9 on M2D (Mega's M2D)
My friend is now using custom ROM .. so no try there. I don't have OEM that has M2D ..

What about just trying it on a bog standard WM6.1 OEM ROM from an operator.

Can do .. later perhaps when I'm changing ROM again. I thought it only crashes M2D? No OEM for Kaiser has M2D ..

Reviving this thread because iPhone is vulnerable. Not sure if IE also on our Kaiser? Opera?
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=14663

[NEWS FLASH] Skype No Longer Working With Fring

Received an email from Fring.
Hello fringsters,
As you may have noticed, Skype has blocked fring. We are very sorry for any inconvenience this Skype policy has unfairly caused you.
As loyal fring users, you deserve an explanation: Last week, following the surge in fring video calling traffic, fring service to Skype was temporarily reduced . Unfortunately, Skype and their legal team demanded not to restore your connectivity to Skype via fring.
Needless to say, we are very disappointed that Skype is now trying to muzzle competition, even at the expense of its own users.
While we regret Skype's decision to block fring, we are committed to continuing to provide you with market-leading innovation, to keep you in touch with your friends, wherever they are.
On fring you can freely use the best mobile over internet communication like video calling, calls and chat anywhere (3G/4G/WiFi) on any advanced Smartphone.
So, if you are frustrated like us with communication barriers, and are just looking for a fun and easy way to stay in touch with your friends on the go, tell them about fring andinvite your friends to join fring here
We appreciate your support and look forward to continuing to provide you with great mobile innovations.
Let freedom fring!
the fringTEAM.

That´s bad!!!
So Skype is gonna release an own Android version ?!

No idea who is telling the truth...
http://blogs.skype.com/en/
there is no truth to Fring’s claims that Skype has blocked it. Fring made the decision to remove Skype functionality on its own.
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Fring probably wants users to use their service and not skype's service. But I have no sympathy for Skype. They choose to lock down their software to a carrier.
BTW, this is posted in wrong forum. it should be in general discussions.

now that thats done, does anyone know how I can make voip calls to a LANDLINE while I'm in another country? I'm having trouble finding something.

You can still use Nimbuzz to access Skype though I've had some voice delay/lag issues sometimes with it. It's always crystal clear, though.

Also, didn't Skype recently release a new API and SDK? Shouldn't some enterprising developer be able to use that to make something that doesn't suck?

I had a horrible experience with Nimbuzz, calls stopped receiving input apparently.
The person on the other line (also using Nimbuzz) would stop hearing what I said, and visa versa. This was really frustrating as it could happen randomly from 1 minute in or 5 mins in etc.
It would be working fine then just cut off suddenly, the call would keep running fine, just no audio...
Had to hang up and try again, but happened every time without fail, with both HSDPA and WiFi.
It's why I had to switch to fring, as Skype isn't available ¬¬

Well, i guess nimbuzz is the ONLY client to call landlines without the nightmare of sip settings in fring, no?

Antiskunk said:
I had a horrible experience with Nimbuzz, calls stopped receiving input apparently.
The person on the other line (also using Nimbuzz) would stop hearing what I said, and visa versa. This was really frustrating as it could happen randomly from 1 minute in or 5 mins in etc.
It would be working fine then just cut off suddenly, the call would keep running fine, just no audio...
Had to hang up and try again, but happened every time without fail, with both HSDPA and WiFi.
It's why I had to switch to fring, as Skype isn't available ¬¬
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Wow yeah that's pretty bad.
Nimbuzz is definitely less than ideal, but I've never experience that with it. The audio quality has always been great, but as I mentioned, sometimes when I use it to use Skype to call a landline there gets to be a wicked delay, as if I was talking to someone on Mars or something. I was never sure if it was Nimbuzz's fault, or if it's because I'm calling from Thailand.

tonyx3 said:
Also, didn't Skype recently release a new API and SDK? Shouldn't some enterprising developer be able to use that to make something that doesn't suck?
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I found this page, maybe someone is interested to use the Skype communication protocols...
Skype's Biggest Secret Revealed
enrupt.com/index.php/2010/07/07/skype-biggest-secret-revealed

It seems Skype may also be crippling Nimbuzz use:
http://forum.nimbuzz.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=i36kpf41rd3egj72citb7kohr0&/topic,4995.0.html

Boohoo, fring can't piggyback on skype.
While I don't like how skype is acting in regards to android and it's product, fring has to leg to stand to whine about not being able to use skype anymore.
Thems the breaks.

Skype has Andorid version but they will not release to public. It is because Skype with an agreement with Verizon Wireless and it will only avaiable to Verizon clients.
How about users outside US. Verizon has no service with another country such as Canada. What can we do? Skype and Verizon are doing something doesn't make sense.
If I live in US, I will never go to Verizon..............

leungda said:
Skype has Andorid version but they will not release to public. It is because Skype with an agreement with Verizon Wireless and it will only avaiable to Verizon clients.
How about users outside US. Verizon has no service with another country such as Canada. What can we do? Skype and Verizon are doing something doesn't make sense.
If I live in US, I will never go to Verizon..............
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Skype has a deal with UK network 3 I believe. Their HTC Desire has Skype according to their site.