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after searching and searching for possible resource files for an ozVGA hack... i accidentally stumbled upon a VGA hack from somewhere in the forums... didnt know it will work but just tested it anyhow...and wow! first time i was able to appreciate real VGA in all its glory... no more missing icons or displays...
important!!! i am not the author of this software... i just found it and would like to share it to my current family (UNiversal).... hehe!
all credits go to the author, tobias.waldvogel in the athena forums! cheers! you made a working REAL VGA program! finally!!!!
what is good about the program:
1) you can choose 96, 128 or 192 dpi settings
2) all icons/notifications/etc can can be seen
3) texts in the today bar are all present! (signal, battery, clock, volume, etc)
4) now you can use the htc home plugin with no problem! (in REAL vga)
5) very very minor font issues
***I am not liable for hard resets! i just want to share! if you're not sure what you're doing, maybe you should wait for other people to try it first and wait for their opinion on this software
sorry for 1 link only... i cannot upload it here... tried about 4 times already..
real VGA by tobias.waldvogel
http://rapidshare.com/files/54949528/RealVGA.ARM.CAB.html
rnzk8 said:
after searching and searching for possible resource files for an ozVGA hack... i accidentally stumbled upon a VGA hack from somewhere in the forums... didnt know it will work but just tested it anyhow...and wow! first time i was able to appreciate real VGA in all its glory... no more missing icons or displays...
important!!! i am not the author of this software... i just found it and would like to share it to my current family (UNiversal).... hehe!
all credits go to the author! cheers! you made a working REAL VGA program! finally!!!!
what is good about the program:
1) you can choose 96, 128 or 192 dpi settings
2) all icons/notifications/etc can can be seen
3) texts in the today bar are all present! (signal, battery, clock, volume, etc)
4) now you can use the htc home plugin with no problem! (in REAL vga)
5) very very minor font issues
***I am not liable for hard resets! i just want to share! if you're not sure what you're doing, maybe you should wait for other people to try it first and wait for their opinion on this software
sorry for 1 link only... i cannot upload it here... tried about 4 times already..
http://rapidshare.com/files/54949528/RealVGA.ARM.CAB.html
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Excellent find ! Works with my old trusted Darkforce rom. These threads are indeed a treasure trove. Keep finding excellent software.
Great software, thanks mate! Works with Midget_1990 v1.0!
Joc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327830
Yup, confirmed working & stable in Uni after 3 days of use. HTC Home now displays better although notification counts still cut-off/partially hidden at 128 dpi. Most progs are compatible except in my case 1-calc.
Credit should be given to: tobias.waldvogel of Athena forum here at XDA-Dev on the thread pointed out above by fallenczar!
I'm interested to learn about the application of real-VGA.
Why we will be needing real-VGA where we have high resolution in PIE...?
been following the development of this app from the athena forum and this latest release is really impressive.
the original thread is vga 144. thanks to tobias.
My GOD!!!!It becomes qtek 9000 screen beautiful!!!!
Incredible work!!
ranju said:
I'm interested to learn about the application of real-VGA.
Why we will be needing real-VGA where we have high resolution in PIE...?
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First of all congratulations ranju for the nice ROM (judging from the posts in your thread)!
With RealVGA we get to use HTC Home Today plugin which doesn't display well in QVGA. A lot of today screen space is also realized as well as getting to see a lot more on the screen on other VGA-aware progs. The drawback is when non VGA-aware programs are run, the fonts (& icons) are veeery small to be read/seen.
Can't comment on games as I don't use mine for that kind of stuff, but some say that VGA games are cool in Real VGA!
can someone post the cab file here? it keeps bumming me saying the rapidshare download limit has reached
thanks in advance!
dreamtheater39 said:
can someone post the cab file here? it keeps bumming me saying the rapidshare download limit has reached
thanks in advance!
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fallenczar had pointed to the link of the thread above!
Anyway, Real VGA by tobias.waldvogel, rather than uploading the cabs again here the thread is also worth reading.
Cheers!
rhmartin said:
fallenczar had pointed to the link of the thread above!
Anyway, Real VGA by tobias.waldvogel, rather than uploading the cabs again here the thread is also worth reading.
Cheers!
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thanks a lot rhm!
also, big thanks to rnz for pointing this out! i was always wanting this, but was too lazy to find it or try things myself! if we do meet ever, beer on me!
Cheers,
San
I got an error: using higher resolutions, if I would like to set alarm, got error message: "No program memory available...".
Switch back to 192dpi everything is working normally.
Joc
joco1114 said:
I got an error: using higher resolutions, if I would like to set alarm, got error message: "No program memory available...".
Switch back to 192dpi everything is working normally.
Joc
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YES! I also got this error!
And I found some error about Windows Live, the icon of MSN Messeger are wrongly displayed.
offiline logo = online
DND logo = offline
I've just downloaded and installed this file, and let me thank you for this.
And... Here is my two cents, i just wanted to share my experiences on how programs behaved in this mode.
The icons at SPB Today plugin doesn't display.
The Task manager icon is corrupted and is hard to click on it.
I've resetted my PDA twice since i installed this and both resets required another reset since it stuck at windows logo.
When i opened VC Painter.. well, it kinda crashed and i had to reset.
I've opened Pocket Artist, it works well except the icons at the toolbar can not be seen unless you click and wait on over them.
Opera seems better this way, you really enjoy browsing in fullscreen. Well, at least whilst opera "can" open web sites as it's supposed to be. I still am struggling for using meebo.com.
Minimo, the browser that i could barely have had any surfing experiences since it drives me crazy, is worse than Opera at browsing but works at RealVGA mode, well... kinda! (It crashed again when i tried opening a website.
The dialer skin doesn't fit the screen good enough. It has a blank space at down as big as the "Hide Keypad - Menu" bar is.
In this mode, viewing photos is a feast since you can view them in their original resolutions.
Resco Audio Recorder application denies the screen res. and tries to open like it was in back. It feels like they've coded their program to fill the screen according to ratios. Looks bad.
Wohoo! Keepass looks fantastic!
Novii Remote doesn't run at this screen resolution... *sniff*
pTravelAlarm's skin looks like crap, pity...
psShutXP feels more like real,
Voice2Go behaves just like Vito Audio Notes,
There're some minor font issues when i was exploring settings...
Oh and, it drains memory!
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Other than these, it's ok
i cant seem to get htc homeplug to work on my device
can you give us a link which works? do i need to do something before i can get it to run?
thanks!
dreamtheater39 said:
i cant seem to get htc homeplug to work on my device
can you give us a link which works? do i need to do something before i can get it to run?
thanks!
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hi dreamtheater... i also had the same problem before...
i think these are the files i used for the htc home plugin....
htc home plugin: rt HTC home 2.0
htc home plugin customizer: HHCv08b.cab
this home plugin is the one with the 6 tabs... you can enable this using the customizer... you can also change the clock skins, icons, etc.
makes your home plugin look even better...
no other requirements except that you must be in wm6 for this particular plugin i posted (and in realVGA to get correct display).... i know i read somewhere that they were able to make a Cab to make the htc home plugin run on a wm5 device...
HTC HOME PLUGIN
http://rapidshare.com/files/55031161/rt_HTC_Home_2.00.cab.html
HTC CUSTOMIZER
http://rapidshare.com/files/55031799/HHCv08b.cab.html
fallenczar said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=327830
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thanks! i will update my post to give due credit to TOBIAS!
rnzk8 said:
i know i read somewhere that they were able to make a Cab to make the htc home plugin run on a wm5 device...
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I tried to search but seems like forever for me to find a WM5 compatible HTC home plugin. Anyone kind enough to point me some directions?
im not sure about this but it was tested on an apache running wm5...
maybe you can try it and confirm so that others can use it too
HTC home plugin for wm5 (with 6 tabs)
http://rapidshare.com/files/47418755/HTCHomeWM56Tab.zip.html
satanisme said:
I tried to search but seems like forever for me to find a WM5 compatible HTC home plugin. Anyone kind enough to point me some directions?
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I am looking for a program that will display on the today screen my running programs. I do not want it to be in my system tray but a plug in for my today screen. Any Help?
Resco Explorer 2007 has a today plugin where you can show - amongst many other things - running programs.....
It's not free, but there's a free trial you can have a look at to see if it fits the bill.....see www.resco.net for features and download link.
HTH,
Mark.
thank you but im looking for something that is not collapsible. Something simply that will show icons of my running programs.
Wisbar Advanced 3 will do that.
no, wisbar only shows it in the top bar.. i need it in today screen
O2 phone plus has a plugin that does thats...
exactly what i needed.. works well too.. thank you
devstate is the best and best of all its free!
devstate is the best and best of all its free!
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-devstate-v1-5.html
DevState v1.5 Description
This is today plug-in for Pocket PC 2003 and Windows Mobile 5.0. This enables to add mainly 3 functions on your today screen like below:
- Displays Memory/Storage status.
- Displays Battery/Power status and it has following function.
>> Soft reset.
>> Turn off your device.
>> Turn off screen.
>> Preventing suspend.
>> Keep turning on the backlight.
>> Wireless power management (WiFi and Bluetooth).
- Application Launcher and Task Manager.
So-net Not Found
Could someone post a cab (or a link to one)?
Everyplace advertising DevState links to the same page (So-net) with a green bar displaying "Not Found".
TIA
Cobaltikus said:
Could someone post a cab (or a link to one)?
Everyplace advertising DevState links to the same page (So-net) with a green bar displaying "Not Found".
TIA
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Did you ask your friend Google?
I did.
Found a forum linking to a rapidshare download:
http://foro.todopocketpc.com/showthread.php?t=127919&page=91
(just CTRLF-F on devstate)
Nice program, by the way.
Excellent! Thanks!
dwergsnot said:
Did you ask your friend Google?
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Yep, for about an hour, and all the links that I could actually read were to the same place with the Not Found message.
I may have seen this page before but I would have skipped over it since it is in Spanish. Unfortunately I only speak English. (I just followed your link and looked for rapidshare)
wkTask
I used to want this too but found an ever better solution I thought I would share.
http://soft.photoracer.net/docs/wktask_en.html
There is (or was on 2008-07-19) a video on the page linked above that shows what it can do.
wkTask is not a today screen plugin but rather displays tabs for running programs on the top bar very similarly to windows 9x,xp,vista so if you are on the today screen (or any other non-fullscreen mode programs) you will still see and know what is running.
It also allows you to change the functionality of the X/OK button.
It is also a program launcher.
It is free and also very customizable; so if it does not work exactly like you want it to, don't throw it out right away, check out the preferences and see if the undesired effect is an option you can disable or change.
Hey,
I bought a Touch Pro some days ago and sometimes have an annoying problem:
When pressing the "X" button of an app or pressing the phone's home button, all apps doesn't get minimized but they get closed. Then I have to restart the phone to get rid of the behaviour.
At the moment I can't reproduce this issue.
Does somebody experienced the same? Do you have any ideas to solve this?
Thanks,
Raphaelo08
As from my knwledge there are a lot of programs who catch in their code the x button and are closing themselves (they use some tricks because the WM developers never intended to have one program closed, they wanted to remain in the memory so the next time you start it it will start much faster...etc).I have seen this affirmation on some forum from a guy who had a link to the msdn forums, but it was long ago.
Had the same issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=424505
This explains the fix, has worked a treat for me.
Hey guys,
thanks for your responses.
I applied the fix and will post some feedback in the next days.
Thanks!
Raphaelo08
Hello again,
just little feedback:
The problem has almost gone away but it's not fully gone.
E.g. using Beejive messenger and mort player at the same time can cause the issue when you're trying to surf through the system.
Raphaelo08
Raphaelo08 said:
Hello again,
just little feedback:
The problem has almost gone away but it's not fully gone.
E.g. using Beejive messenger and mort player at the same time can cause the issue when you're trying to surf through the system.
Raphaelo08
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Same with me... especially full screen aps like tom tom but also opera/google maps tend to kill all apps.... This is not the case with the diamond. I have a friend who has one and he has a lot of apps running in the background...
Jorlin said:
Same with me... especially full screen aps like tom tom but also opera/google maps tend to kill all apps.... This is not the case with the diamond. I have a friend who has one and he has a lot of apps running in the background...
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Right now, when I open many apps and return to the home screen. All apps in the back get terminated... I cannot just check a location on opera and return to Google Maps... no I have to start the application (google maps) all over again. That also happens with small apps in the background.
This is seriously driving me mad
I need a solution
Hey,
for Opera there is also a fix available. Follow the link z3r0l0g1c posted.
Raphaelo08
Raphaelo08 said:
Hey,
for Opera there is also a fix available. Follow the link z3r0l0g1c posted.
Raphaelo08
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Well, it is not only opera related... it happens with every app after some time - and than constantly. A soft reset temporarily solves the problem... I need a permanent solution
Registry Path: HKCU\Software\HTC\Task Manager
Suspect 1: EnableAutoKill=1 (try changing it to 0?)
Suspect 2: MemoryThreshold
This might help.
Suspect 2 must be changed to a size of about 20MB and or Suspect 1 must be turned to 0 (in order to disable it)
Hey,
thanks for the hint.
Will edit that asap.
Raphaelo08
Raphaelo08 said:
Hey,
thanks for the hint.
Will edit that asap.
Raphaelo08
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What will you edit XD? Something on your device or add it to a list of tweaks
Since I'm not using a Raphael, I do not know whether it apply to you but it apply to me. I am using O2 Atom Life.
Certain application, when started requested too much memory which causes WM to start closing other running applications. After this happens, it seems like WM keeps going on with this behaviour until a soft reset. In another word, WM keeps closing running applications running in background.
The following are the software which causes the behaviour:
Opera 9.5
SKTools FreeUP RAM (with all options applied)
Free Mem (by Oxios?)
So, the only way to identify the culprit, soft reset. Then try running any applications. Each time, check whether other applications are closed. If after running a certain applications and other background applications are closed, then that application is the culprit. Remember, after the effect is applied, it doesn't matter if that application is still running or not, WM will start closing background applications.
Hey,
most time my RAM usage isn't higher than 50% so WM shouldn't be that fussy. But I will keep that in mind.
@Jorlin:
I edited it on my device. Shall I add it to the list of tweaks?
Raphaelo08
Hi,
So, I've installed Manilla to my tilt. It looks great, it flows very nicely, and on the surface, I don't seem to have any problems. But, I'm having problems.
In the People tab, I can't add People. I can click, it highlights, then nothing happens. This seems to be the problem for some of the other tabs too.
Email and text work great.
Internet started working once I downloaded Opera, which is now working well.
Camera is fine too.
The music tab gives me an error message every time. "Cannot play the file. The file is either corrupted or the Player does not support the format you are trying to play." This comes up, but I haven't tried to play anything, this happens everytime I accidentally click on this tab, which leads me to wondering if there's a way I can delete this tab.
The Weather tab doesn't work at all. I click menu, and add a location - nothing. I click add a location on the screen, and I get nothing.
Map Search works fine.
Settings - When I click on sync data, it takes me to the sync screen. When I click Communication, it takes me to the about screen. When I click Sounds, Wallpaper, or About, I get nothing.
Lastly, I have the same problem in Programs tab that I do in the People tab. I can't add any programs.
The programs I'm running are
SJ 2DManila 1_00_18192926_00.cab
XDA-Team_Manilla2D.cab
M2DC_v0.17.183.CAB
RRE_Manilla_1.4BETA.rar
M2DC_v0.21.213.CAB
Scotchua_Manila_Fix.cab
TF2D_Digital_Clock_with_Manila2D_Fix.cab
Seriously, I'm willing to have a phone call with someone to try and take care of this, anywhere in the world, I am willing to call.
Also, if someone thinks that the software they're running is better than the manilla stuff, I'm willing to give it a shot. I just really like the touchflo/iphone-ish feel.
Thanks,
I appreciate any help. And I know the answer to my problem is somewhere out there on either the ROM development or the Software sections, but I tried searching and just came up with too many hits.
George
gsemaan said:
Hi,
So, I've installed Manilla to my tilt. It looks great, it flows very nicely, and on the surface, I don't seem to have any problems. But, I'm having problems.
In the People tab, I can't add People. I can click, it highlights, then nothing happens. This seems to be the problem for some of the other tabs too.
Email and text work great.
Internet started working once I downloaded Opera, which is now working well.
Camera is fine too.
The music tab gives me an error message every time. "Cannot play the file. The file is either corrupted or the Player does not support the format you are trying to play." This comes up, but I haven't tried to play anything, this happens everytime I accidentally click on this tab, which leads me to wondering if there's a way I can delete this tab.
The Weather tab doesn't work at all. I click menu, and add a location - nothing. I click add a location on the screen, and I get nothing.
Map Search works fine.
Settings - When I click on sync data, it takes me to the sync screen. When I click Communication, it takes me to the about screen. When I click Sounds, Wallpaper, or About, I get nothing.
Lastly, I have the same problem in Programs tab that I do in the People tab. I can't add any programs.
The programs I'm running are
SJ 2DManila 1_00_18192926_00.cab
XDA-Team_Manilla2D.cab
M2DC_v0.17.183.CAB
RRE_Manilla_1.4BETA.rar
M2DC_v0.21.213.CAB
Scotchua_Manila_Fix.cab
TF2D_Digital_Clock_with_Manila2D_Fix.cab
Seriously, I'm willing to have a phone call with someone to try and take care of this, anywhere in the world, I am willing to call.
Also, if someone thinks that the software they're running is better than the manilla stuff, I'm willing to give it a shot. I just really like the touchflo/iphone-ish feel.
Thanks,
I appreciate any help. And I know the answer to my problem is somewhere out there on either the ROM development or the Software sections, but I tried searching and just came up with too many hits.
George
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First of all which ROM are you using Manilla with?
Post your question in the rom thread you are using, or one of the many preexisting manila threads. Thread closed.
gsemaan said:
Hi,
So, I've installed Manilla to my tilt. It looks great, it flows very nicely, and on the surface, I don't seem to have any problems. But, I'm having problems.
In the People tab, I can't add People. I can click, it highlights, then nothing happens. This seems to be the problem for some of the other tabs too.
Email and text work great.
Internet started working once I downloaded Opera, which is now working well.
Camera is fine too.
The music tab gives me an error message every time. "Cannot play the file. The file is either corrupted or the Player does not support the format you are trying to play." This comes up, but I haven't tried to play anything, this happens everytime I accidentally click on this tab, which leads me to wondering if there's a way I can delete this tab.
The Weather tab doesn't work at all. I click menu, and add a location - nothing. I click add a location on the screen, and I get nothing.
Map Search works fine.
Settings - When I click on sync data, it takes me to the sync screen. When I click Communication, it takes me to the about screen. When I click Sounds, Wallpaper, or About, I get nothing.
Lastly, I have the same problem in Programs tab that I do in the People tab. I can't add any programs.
The programs I'm running are
SJ 2DManila 1_00_18192926_00.cab
XDA-Team_Manilla2D.cab
M2DC_v0.17.183.CAB
RRE_Manilla_1.4BETA.rar
M2DC_v0.21.213.CAB
Scotchua_Manila_Fix.cab
TF2D_Digital_Clock_with_Manila2D_Fix.cab
Seriously, I'm willing to have a phone call with someone to try and take care of this, anywhere in the world, I am willing to call.
Also, if someone thinks that the software they're running is better than the manilla stuff, I'm willing to give it a shot. I just really like the touchflo/iphone-ish feel.
Thanks,
I appreciate any help. And I know the answer to my problem is somewhere out there on either the ROM development or the Software sections, but I tried searching and just came up with too many hits.
George
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I have just stumbled across this The .cab file linked from the Digital Spy forum is attached. It is an app to access Sky Remote Record from a WM device.
I have been waiting for something like this for a looooooooong time.
I have checked it out and it works and is easy to use. The only problem I have at the moment is that it does not appear to close properly... had to use task manager to close it.
does it have a monthly fee?
rip83 said:
does it have a monthly fee?
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It is free to use m8.
I have this too.
Seg
Hi there all, first time post so be kind. Anyway, I tried to install this CAB but I get an error saying 'installation failed'. If I go to p.wecomm.com/sky directly from my phone I can download the relevant file (SkyMobile-WM6_PPCP-1.2.0.0) but all it does is open up an appearance settings page for 'Today'. Strange.
Ive had no problems downloading and installing Co0kie's Home Tab Editor, BsB Tweaks, Microsoft .NET etc. so I don't think it's me (but I could be wrong).
Has anyone had this problem and resolved it, or can think of something else I can try?
Arpers said:
Hi there all, first time post so be kind. Anyway, I tried to install this CAB but I get an error saying 'installation failed'. If I go to p.wecomm.com/sky directly from my phone I can download the relevant file (SkyMobile-WM6_PPCP-1.2.0.0) but all it does is open up an appearance settings page for 'Today'. Strange.
Ive had no problems downloading and installing Co0kie's Home Tab Editor, BsB Tweaks, Microsoft .NET etc. so I don't think it's me (but I could be wrong).
Has anyone had this problem and resolved it, or can think of something else I can try?
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I downloaded from the site and installed without a problem. The only problem i have is that it does not close. If i use task manager to close it ,it does not work and i have to reinstall it to get it to work. The only way i can get it to work consistantly it to reset the device after i have set the recording.
It seems pretty unstable. I will keep an eye on any updates.
That's strange. I've now managed to install it ok thanks to a reply on another thread i'd started. I agree that it doesn't close but it definately gets closed via task manager and I don't have to reinstall it. Try the CAB file provided as a reply to my other post in the new thread (search for my posts - I only have three - and you'll see the thread). That CAB seemed to work fine.
Hi, I've used this for a while too and also have to open my task manager to ensure it is closed properly.
Also, I find it very difficult to type on the small keyboard when logging in....but maybe that's just my fat fingers
Hi all,
Try installing the attached cab.
It has the same name as the cab in post 1 but it's the one i use and i have no problems with it at all. Everything works as it should and it closes properly.
Hope it helps.
Great App... works very well... Now only if SKY would officially launch it
Rutster said:
Hi all,
Try installing the attached cab.
It has the same name as the cab in post 1 but it's the one i use and i have no problems with it at all. Everything works as it should and it closes properly.
Hope it helps.
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I have to use task manager to close this version on mine!
blackrat62 said:
I have to use task manager to close this version on mine!
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Strange. Don't need to on mine.
can you produce an underscore from the keyboard?
my user name has one and I can't enter it!
blackrat62 said:
I have to use task manager to close this version on mine!
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Me too. I select ok on the "data total exit screen" and it drops me back to the main menu of the app. Have to press home then task manager to close it. If I then re-load the app I cannot load details of a TV programme. Thus making the app unuseable :0(
what exactly does this software do?
loaferkan said:
what exactly does this software do?
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it lets you view sky channels and record sky programs remotely. you have to set up your sky account first (username/password) but its free and it works!
skilty said:
it lets you view sky channels and record sky programs remotely. you have to set up your sky account first (username/password) but its free and it works!
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Doesn't work for all of us. See the "exit" problems above.
Working... mostly...
hi,
I've been using this for quite some time. It works, in the sense that I can start it, browse sky listings, get prog info and set recordings (most important features!). It is not working, or a bit poor, in the following areas... won't close (though mine does close in task manager and no restart issues), keyboard in waaaayyy too small and really hard to use, scrolling though channels is slow and tedious and there are occasional crashes.
However, it lets me record when I'm away, so I'm grateful... needs some work though to be a complete package.
im going to try this, but need to know how i can make it work for Foxtel (Australian rebranded Sky+)
HTC touch 2
I to am having problems with this app. When first installed and first time use it works ok but does fail to close. When you use again it fails to connect when you press record and times out. But only on certain pages the news channels always seems to work but all channels and the movies only work sometimes. I have tried a power off and back on but seems to make no difference. I do notice that the pass word box is emty after you have saved it so could this be a problem?
Since I flashed my ROM to Energy's I have not been able to sign into this app with my Sky ID - I get a 'failed to connect to authentication service' error. Has anyone else encountered this? Could it be due to my flashed ROM?