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Ok, so we all have the latest greatest most "open source" phone, right? LMFAO
Why is it, seeing as battery life is complete CRAP, that programs are not smart enough to be able to turn on and off the wifi, gps, wireless networks, etc as needed? When I open google maps, it should start up the GPS. When I try to get on the web, it would be nice if it could check for pre-configured wifi. When those programs are exited, or after an inactive time limit, the wifi, gps, etc should shut back down. It seems silly to fumble around in settings to turn things on and off all the time.
Since this is a problem with Google's software, I assume they will continue to support the "not our problem, let the developers figure it out" stand, while locking us out of the ability for a fix.
Am I the only one that thinks this way?
I completely agree! I am greatly disappointment in the direction Android is going. Leaving everything to 3rd party developers and then locking root access, yeah, really smart move! As soon as T-Mobile USA releases a 3G pocket pc, I am so gone. I would have left my HTC Wizard behind for another device (and G1) but I'm stuck with this strange 3G AWS frequency and no real option for a WM device except what my provider offers. Google still has a chance to fix this issues for Android but I am very impatient with things in general. One day, it could be a great OS but as of right now and the way the road looks ahead is a dismal path to possible destruction. My suggestions to Google would be to jailbreak all devices, create your OWN soft keyboard so all programs can be used with it, ADD SOME KIND OF OFFICE SUPPORT, add support for your own software (built in) to be able to control all settings (like speed racer mentioned), video recorder, better camera options, and better Marketplace support. Again, this is a new mobile OS and it will evolve somewhat but if things continue to happen in the same path or pattern, failure is practically the only option.
gospeed.racer said:
Ok, so we all have the latest greatest most "open source" phone, right? LMFAO
Why is it, seeing as battery life is complete CRAP, that programs are not smart enough to be able to turn on and off the wifi, gps, wireless networks, etc as needed? When I open google maps, it should start up the GPS. When I try to get on the web, it would be nice if it could check for pre-configured wifi. When those programs are exited, or after an inactive time limit, the wifi, gps, etc should shut back down. It seems silly to fumble around in settings to turn things on and off all the time.
Since this is a problem with Google's software, I assume they will continue to support the "not our problem, let the developers figure it out" stand, while locking us out of the ability for a fix.
Am I the only one that thinks this way?
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Hi, download Locale or Power Manager.
I have seen both, and they are good....but they dont do what I am asking.
NATIVE support. Its like Google has all these different departments, and none want to work with the others. Everything needs to be streamlined together, maps should be able to turn on and off resources....instead of me doing it with my keypad. Who chooses to leave GPS on all day? Same with Wifi?
I am fed up with Google thinking everyone needs to do the grunt work. They cant even get their own software working properly (for example, try using the search function in maps, then try to get directions to that search...good luck!) and instead of USEFUL updates, we get updates that RESTRICT us.
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for example, try using the search function in maps, then try to get directions to that search...good luck!
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Hmm... seems pretty easy for me? Open maps application, start typing your search (e.g. "starbucks mountain view"). List of locations comes up. I tap one, it shows location on map. Tap on the address and it brings up menu. Choose Directions to this Address and click Route button.
true...but if you simply click on "directions" and type in the exact same items you searched before, it suddenly forgot how to search.
For example, if I search for "pdx" or "gresham" on the maps, no problem. But, when I click "directions" and type in the same thing, it cant find it. It cant do a search and come up with a list of results? Google cant? LMAO. Seriously? I guess I need to do a search, write down the results. Then do another search, get directions, and type in the previous location that I wrote down. Pretty handy if you ask me!
Never had this issue with the desktop version of google maps. I can type in "gresham" and "PDX" and it can get me there. On the phone, it cant figure it out.
Apparently no one can read or understand what has been said. Google hasn't left it to 3rd parties, they are working on these things as we speak. It is in their "roadmap"
OK so it doesn't do everything your home computer can. Why can't you give it time. Why did you buy something that is brand new if you weren't ready to be patient? That is like the people who claim Vista sucks just because they used the beta version and had problems.
Give it time. As for directions are you talking about Gresham, OR? I get directions just find typing pdx and then gresham, or
Obviously you have to type the state for the city, also that little bookmark icon can be usefull... just search for the two things you want first (PDX then do a search for gresham) then use the history bookmark to add those to the direction. Worked simple that way too.
And guess what... I also can use copy and paste too... wow I guess there are many ways to do it you just have to figure it out.
gospeed.racer said:
Ok, so we all have the latest greatest most "open source" phone, right? LMFAO
Why is it, seeing as battery life is complete CRAP, that programs are not smart enough to be able to turn on and off the wifi, gps, wireless networks, etc as needed? When I open google maps, it should start up the GPS. When I try to get on the web, it would be nice if it could check for pre-configured wifi. When those programs are exited, or after an inactive time limit, the wifi, gps, etc should shut back down. It seems silly to fumble around in settings to turn things on and off all the time.
Since this is a problem with Google's software, I assume they will continue to support the "not our problem, let the developers figure it out" stand, while locking us out of the ability for a fix.
Am I the only one that thinks this way?
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No, it's not an open source phone (and I don't think google or T-mobile have said that the G1 would be), but the _software_ is. If you want a totally open phone, you should be looking towards the openmoko platform, or the dev version of the G1 that google have now announced.
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OK so it doesn't do everything your home computer can. Why can't you give it time. Why did you buy something that is brand new if you weren't ready to be patient? ....
... wow I guess there are many ways to do it you just have to figure it out.
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If Google was up front and said that it wasnt ready yet (why are WE the beta testers?) that would be one thing, but the way it is marketed in commercials and on the website, this is a phone that is ready for mass use. It is very much still in beta.
The problem with your "its not a home computer" logic is that is CAN do the functions I am referring to. It just doesnt. I used bad examples- try using something like "denny's" instead. In a search it will pull them up, but in the "directions" it will not. Apparently if there are more than one result it gets confused. My example was bad.
I have been patient, the updates so far have done nothing (for my phone at least) but fix problems and patch loopholes. There has been nothing updated that improves functionality that I have seen yet. I found their roadmap- Looks like some soft keyboard functionality next year, and more supported languages. Who hoo.
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If Google was up front and said that it wasnt ready yet (why are WE the beta testers?) that would be one thing, but the way it is marketed in commercials and on the website, this is a phone that is ready for mass use. It is very much still in beta.
The problem with your "its not a home computer" logic is that is CAN do the functions I am referring to. It just doesnt. I used bad examples- try using something like "denny's" instead. In a search it will pull them up, but in the "directions" it will not. Apparently if there are more than one result it gets confused. My example was bad.
I have been patient, the updates so far have done nothing (for my phone at least) but fix problems and patch loopholes. There has been nothing updated that improves functionality that I have seen yet. I found their roadmap- Looks like some soft keyboard functionality next year, and more supported languages. Who hoo.
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Don't get mad a google for marketing... the commercial doesn't even say that it is google's OS... it just says Powered By Google. It blows for them.
And for the maps... I haven't been able to get either the phone or desktop to map the locations for me. Besides that doesn't it make more sense to figure out where the dennys is before getting directions to it?
It hasn't even been a month in a half yet and you think you are patient. I don't remember any significant updates to any OS in the first month it was out.
I guess my point is that tmobile (not Google apparently) released a phone that isnt ready for the general public. It should be in beta still, until the bugs (like a battery that lasts half a day under light use, calls that do not ring through, messages that dont show up, and ringtones that sometimes work and sometimes dont) are fixed. There are many problems with the phone and the OS and if you cant admit that I dont know what to say. If you are happy then fine, but not all of us are. We did NOT sign up for beta testing, if we had then there is no issue.
Sounds to me that someone should have done a little bit of research before purchasing their phone? I mean, come on! It hasn't even been 2 months yet. Maybe a razr would fit your likings more? Tmobile has plenty of those.
I say if you aren't gonna get out there & learn to write your own apps to make it the phone you want it to be, don't complain. No one held a gun to your head & said buy the phone or else. You bought into the hype. Deal with it.
No one is perfect the first time out the gates. You should have known this if you came from a windows mobile device previously. Microsoft has been at it for how many years & they still haven't gotten all the bugs & kinks out. If you think you can do better than google, I'm all in! Lets see what you got. Till then, buy a phone that doesn't have all the hype you want. Then you won't be setting yourself up for disappointment.
I haven't had any issues with this phone. So you can't save apps to the SD (YET) but that can be fixed. So your battery isn't the best (YET) but that can be fixed. Give it time. You didn't come sprinting out your mothers womb did you? Didn't think so. Let Android learn to crawl before you expect it to run hundred yard dashes
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I guess my point is that tmobile (not Google apparently) released a phone that isnt ready for the general public. It should be in beta still, until the bugs (like a battery that lasts half a day under light use, calls that do not ring through, messages that dont show up, and ringtones that sometimes work and sometimes dont) are fixed. There are many problems with the phone and the OS and if you cant admit that I dont know what to say. If you are happy then fine, but not all of us are. We did NOT sign up for beta testing, if we had then there is no issue.
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That is funny... I had all those issues on my wing... guess I should go complain in the herald forums about my beta testing that device too.
I admit it has errors... but that doesn't mean it is the worse phone ever made like you make it out to be.
Yeah go complain at the Herald forums! They'll just tell you that you're an idiot and to unlock your phone and flash a new ROM on it. Oh wait... you can actually do that with a wing and not this pos and it actually ends up being a decent pda. That's the difference... and yes a lot of this anger comes from people with stock RC30. Also, to the dude who wipes his ass with money, lol, a lot of tmo. customers didn't have much of a choice for pdas with 3g. It's not a matter of not having the facts but the expectations were very high for this os and phone seemed to have fallen quite short. I'm not going to repeat what the shortcomings are... for they have been hammered into our skulls enough already but Google basically copied a lot of things from different mobile OS and seem to have forgotten the basics and left them out. They other thing is they won't admit any mistakes were made but simply state that they will be left to 3rd developers. After that, a security update was pushed out that locked root. How will or why should this affect developers? Well, there are several applications that only be used on rooted devices and this number will continue to rise. Several developers have quit trying to port over a few applications because of this and the crappy java layers used on android. And finally, T-mobile, google, and htc all claim that this is an open source device and os. It used to be.... the security flaw was announced on every tech blog and web site so basically google (yes google!) Sent a quick patch to fix it and now open source is dead essentially. I guaranty that root will be locked down on every other android device released next year. I know we will find a way to unlock everything here but it's just bs and you guys know it. Of course, no fanyboys will admit it while having their lips firmly placed on google's ass. It's not open source and it won't be until we unlock root ourselves. And now one can argue with me until the next android device comes out. Yes, it is its infancy but it really seems more like a beta. Just disappointed like many others. It's such a stable OS and has a lot of potential but a lot of basic things have been left out, nothing less or nothing more...
I'm sorry, can you show me where T-mobile and HTC claim the G1/Dream is an "open source device" please? I haven't seen anything from either company stating that the G1 would be open source. Android, on the other hand _is_ open, and while, yes I will agree that it's frustrating that you need to "hack" the device to be able to use it to it's full potential, Google have addressed this by releasing the "dev" handsets. Ultimately, as a previous poster has pointed out no-one forced you into picking up the G1, and as you've discovered, frustration often comes with picking up bleeding edge hardware.
So basically your mad at htc/google/tmobile cuz you neglected to read the specs on their websites? Damn my headlight just went out on my car. I'm gonna go yell at chrystler for not putting a better bulb in it! Your forgetting to realize what I stated before, no one forced you! You can piss & moan all you want but again as I stated before, make your own apps to make it the phone you want it to be! So you want 3g? Why? Cuz its faster? Umm I forgot where htc/google/tmobile said this was a laptop? Can you show me? Cuz last time I checked, it was still a cell phone. 3g is a novelty. I don't live in a 3g area so maybe I'm just speaking on deaf ears. I by no means am a fanboy of htc. If tmobile got that touch blackberry, i'd be all over it like white on rice! Be angry but all your gonna get is white hairs & wrinkles. Its wasted energy. Take a seat & wait for android to grow & then you may speak. Or go out & do it better than google. Make your own os. Let's see how you do your first time out
And as far as the unlocking & flashing, how long did it take for that to be a reality? I wasn't there from the start of windows mobile but I'm pretty sure people weren't able to do that right out the box. It is a skill that needed to be learned, as with Android. Maybe you'll research your device better next time.
so I can write apps that will make me not to miss calls when they dont ring through? Will help battery life? Will keep me from missing messages?
I AM TALKING ABOUT THE ROOT GOOGLE SOFTWARE not just apps. Have you heard me complain about a video recorder? A video player? no, because those CAN BE FIXED. How do we change the way Google maps works? WE dont...Google does.
The OS itself is very nice. Coming from WM6.1 the stability is great. I dont need to reboot daily, constantly shut down programs, etc. I understand that WM has been around forever, I had a tmobile PPC2003, so I have been around this stuff for a bit. Android is new, given time it will get better. But I am missing calls NOW. I am constantly charging my battery NOW. These things are important as it is a "phone" after all. The roadmap addresses NONE of these things, just some multi language support and a keyboard.
I am quite sure that there will be many more replies to how f'd up my thinking is, but I am done. I am at the point where all I can do is repeat myself. Its NOT ready yet, and there are MAJOR things that need fixes.
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so I can write apps that will make me not to miss calls when they dont ring through? Will help battery life? Will keep me from missing messages?
I AM TALKING ABOUT THE ROOT GOOGLE SOFTWARE not just apps. Have you heard me complain about a video recorder? A video player? no, because those CAN BE FIXED. How do we change the way Google maps works? WE dont...Google does.
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No, you DO fix the problem - you file a bug with google, and if you have the skills, a patch that fixes the problem, if it's all ok, then it'll get accepted into the source and fixed.
The only problem is, that as T-mobile have (I assume) insisted that the G1 is locked, google need to compile the release for you.
please, go read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source and, if you can return your G1, I don't think it's the phone you want.
A Facebook application for your Windows Mobile phone officially from Microsoft !
* Send messages to any of the people in your Friends list.
* Take pictures and videos on your phone, then upload them right to Facebook.
* Send messages or call people in your Friends list.
* Manage your profile and post anytime, anywhere.
Keep up with the latest news and posts with Facebook on your phone. Now your status updates can be up-to-the moment accounts of what you’re doing. Photos and videos are about as close to live-action as you can get. Show your friends what you’re up to, while you’re out and about.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/facebook.mspx
you just beat me to posting it...looks good so far.
I almost got caught to facebook also but I had too many doubts. Here is a version of someones doubts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XhzYGoBif8
Do not forget that facebooks social side (the only side actually) is useful only if you use your real name. Otherways nobody wont find you. Now just think...
EDIT:...or let me explain. Basically, what goes there stays there. For start if you happen to get to a criminal side for genuine needs, cops would get loads of information about your relationships etc.
And the main point: facebook-A BIG mass of data from everyone. This might be the present or surely it will be the future: intelligent engines/robots to scan and analyze the mass of data accumulated there psychologically enough to make conclusions about geopolitical/social/mass-psychological preferences. And the kind of preferences we cannot think about even for now. The next move from there is agressive manipulation and big loss of freedom
yeah, works perfectly on my TD2 ;-)
darfri said:
I almost got caught to facebook also but I had too many doubts. Here is a version of someones doubts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XhzYGoBif8
Do not forget that facebooks social side (the only side actually) is useful only if you use your real name. Otherways nobody wont find you. Now just think...
EDIT:...or let me explain. Basically, what goes there stays there. For start if you happen to get to a criminal side for genuine needs, cops would get loads of information about your relationships etc.
And the main point: facebook-A BIG mass of data from everyone. This might be the present or surely it will be the future: intelligent engines/robots to scan and analyze the mass of data accumulated there psychologically enough to make conclusions about geopolitical/social/mass-psychological preferences. And the kind of preferences we cannot think about even for now. The next move from there is agressive manipulation and big loss of freedom
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Facebook just holds the information YOU provide, pretty simple. It is a VERY good way to stay in touch with old friends and relatives but of course it is a pretty open social network and you need to be careful with the information YOU provide. Facebook doesn't take or steal anything from you, it is up to YOU what kind of information and how much of it you provide for others to see. THAT simple. To make it short: just use your brain and Facebook can be a very nice place to enjoy.
Working for me
Works great so far on my TD2. Can't believe it took this long for microsoft to release a facebook app for windows mobile!!!
One down side though, still doesnt have flick scrolling which is a bit of a pain, hopefully they'll sort that out soon.
P996 said:
Facebook just holds the information YOU provide, pretty simple. It is a VERY good way to stay in touch with old friends and relatives but of course it is a pretty open social network and you need to be careful with the information YOU provide. Facebook doesn't take or steal anything from you, it is up to YOU what kind of information and how much of it you provide for others to see. THAT simple. To make it short: just use your brain and Facebook can be a very nice place to enjoy.
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Yeah, but what about REAL names... thats enough for me
Off course facebook doesn't steal anything from me. It is just a container... a container which at some point contains data enough (even if you do not put there facts like home address etc, just your name which is a damn good fact) to get analyzed. And offcourse - not by facebook. Even chats and comments are enough at some point to compile a solid profile about you. Once again - they are related to REAL names.
I know it is hard to like this kind of theory when you already have a facebook account. My wife has a facebook account and I am seeing the mass of information streaming there. Besides the social side is so effective that you cannot get out of it anymore - it is a good extra communication platform.
BTW I have a plaxo account which has my outlook contact folders... I "can" delete the folders and account there but what about THEIR recycle bin for "archival" and "statistics" purposes... I'd love to get rid of it but I think there is no need to do it as it is too late already.
And I just received an emali from damn facebook which suggested me to sign up and showed the names of the people I know. How did the monster know my friends if I have been avoiding it
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just like any other member networkin YOU sign up to it askes if theres anyone you would like to forward a membership request to! if your that worried about robots scanniny your comp to find all your details then jus dont have a comp or a bank account or anything dont even have a fone but its a decent app thnx
the app jus locks up wen i go to run it
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the app jus locks up wen i go to run it
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DOesnt work for me either. just freezes. the 0.16 version worked better :/.
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just like any other member networkin YOU sign up to it askes if theres anyone you would like to forward a membership request to! if your that worried about robots scanniny your comp to find all your details then jus dont have a comp or a bank account or anything dont even have a fone but its a decent app thnx
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This app here might be as good as possible. No complaints about it.
uhh... I'll put it as short as I can: First: I am not worried about scanning my PC. I am worried about scanning the data on Facebook servers.
It contains your REAL name and your REAL activities. Please folks... try to imagine just a little bit. The scanner wouldn't be any data collector or single data unit detector (like bank account numbers, email etc). I am talking about intelligent scanner here. The one that uses sentence content detection/comparsion and linguistic variation approximating techniques in spite of the personality that is in the text. Face recognition is already there for us to use even. From this point scanner has already simplified data to deal with. Imagine this kind of scanner cooperating with psychologists who obey people with high political, economical - and if anybody is interested anymore about the old timer - MORAL authority. As time has told the ambitions of these people have almost never been sincere. A single facebook user most likely wouldn't be endangered. It is plurality that makes the effect
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DOesnt work for me either. just freezes. the 0.16 version worked better :/.
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Same here. After keying in userid and password and tap on done. the app freezes.
After trial and error, i found out that its the files used by the previous version that's causing the lockup.
Try uninstall the facebook app completely then rename Facebook.vol and fbmail.vol to something like Facebook.vol.old and fbmail.vol.old.
install the latest version and try.
If it works.. u can delete the 2 .old files.
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Facebook just holds the information YOU provide, pretty simple. It is a VERY good way to stay in touch with old friends and relatives but of course it is a pretty open social network and you need to be careful with the information YOU provide. Facebook doesn't take or steal anything from you, it is up to YOU what kind of information and how much of it you provide for others to see. THAT simple. To make it short: just use your brain and Facebook can be a very nice place to enjoy.
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That’s only one half of the brain. And that the phrase I keep listening from Facebook users.
The question is ... Can you control what other people post about you? Pictures information’s etc?
I know that they can still do that but those information’s are usable only if they are linked to an existing user...
When you open an account then pictures from you on your friends account stops being a picture.
It’s now usable and abusable data... I t’s just a question of time for both of those things...
Try now and use your brain 100% ...
KraFT
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Same here. After keying in userid and password and tap on done. the app freezes.
After trial and error, i found out that its the files used by the previous version that's causing the lockup.
Try uninstall the facebook app completely then rename Facebook.vol and fbmail.vol to something like Facebook.vol.old and fbmail.vol.old.
install the latest version and try.
If it works.. u can delete the 2 .old files.
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Cypork, deleted both files, and reran fb app and bam, works like a charm. thanks. .
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Cypork, deleted both files, and reran fb app and bam, works like a charm. thanks. .
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Fantastic. Glad it works for u as well
works fine on my D2. great app, finally
as for the philosophy of facebook and social networking, i'm afraid that what darfri says is true. we users use it as a fun location, posting information that is not harmful for anyone...but what it is done with it in the background where big brother watches, only God knows...
but honestly, with today's tehnology i would not bother about information some guys know about me. i'm sure that if they want to know, they will know...and i don't think they will go as far as facebook. but this growing/exploding community could be a good source too, at some point.
I will not do anything with this, or publish how. But you can be assured the "warez" guys from that one site will figure this out within a day or so as well...
As most of you will know I am a software developer by trade, with some commercial offerings from my company.
And then there was Marketplace. For commercial devs, something nice to have. But if you have followed the news, the piracy protection for commercial developers is not much to speak of. See this document http://download.microsoft.com/downl...tplace for Mobile Anti-Piracy White Paper.pdf.
I will refrain from quoting the obvious mistakes in this document, if you give this thing a read, you will notice them soon enough. What it all comes down to is that there is no copy protection, not even at the advanced level, at least if they implement it in the way I interpret from reading that document.
So today I started up Marketplace and it worked. Hurrah. The current level of protection is making sure the CAB files are deleted upon install - which is obviously not a way to protect anything - but even this, I thought, should easily be circumventable.
Now, because I wanted to see how fast it could be done, I went with a hunch instead of doing any investigation. And that hunch worked like charm. It took me less than five minutes to circumvent this "protection", and get the ability to save the CABs the MarketPlace app downloads to a different folder. As the CAB file is the same for every downloader, you could just give this CAB you payed for out to all your friends.
Obviously I will not disclose the method, because that would be working against other commercial developers, and ultimately myself. It's just to let you know how ridiculously easy it is, and to give fair warning to those looking to sell apps on the Marketplace.
So, the moral of the story is... WTF MICROSOFT?
I know firsthand there is no such thing as perfect copy protection, but this is just plain ridiculous.
What we really need is for apps to be able to use our own copy protection schemes... you know, like the good web-based app stores out there.
EDIT: l3v5y has also succeeded in doing something similar, and it seems the WMPowerUser admin also found another easy way to do it... Yay, and it ain't even out yet!
Not even 12 hours after launch...that's pretty quick
Oh noes.... that's not good!
Imagine Microsoft reads this and decides to offset tomorrow's Marketplace launch...
Or even worse, Microsoft launches the Marketplace but developers decide not to submit their apps because they're concerned that their apps get pirated.
Thats what happens when devices aren't locked down.
That sounds bad, but it's really no different to how things are today. Perhaps there are some apps that have more security than either nothing or a serial key, but none that I use have anything more sophisticated.
Even as a developer myself, I'd easily take this over some DRMfest.
So, if I'm reading this correctly, when you buy something from marketplace it's not tied into your username with a password like most apps? Instead, you just buy it and it installs the app, but doesn't give you a cab? Yeah, I don't think it's that hard to work around that and get a cab for yourself. Some of the cheaper apps at Handango are like that. Can you re-download an app onto a new device or if you have to hard reset, and is it free or do you need to buy download protection like form Handango?
Good, copy protection pisses me off, all it does is piss of the genuine users. We have to deal with codes and activation to be legit, while people getting it free, just click here and there, copy a code here and huzah.
Copy protection doesnt work, someone will always find a way around it. Unless its linked to a windows live profile/xbox live profile. Which I can see probably happening when they bring out Zune on mobile phones, which sounds like it might be sooner rather than later!
I did something like this earlier... MS haven't quite got security done yet, though my guess is the iPhone is no better...
I'm really surprised by the lack of any drm; what's the point of signing in w/ one's Windows Live account? The easiest thing to do is to associate valid applications w/ one's Window's Live account. That's what itunes does for music at least (I don't know about apps as I don't have an iphone/ipod touch). Of course, what would happen is that an internet connection of some form is needed when the application is first installed, which could become inconvenient.
The truth of the matter is that the percentage or ratio of people who would bother to do this is pretty small. Most WinMo usersbarely even know how to setup e-mail not to mention install a cab file.
Most of the people in this forum already know how and where to get cracked apps or warez if they wanted too. I don't see this so called "flaw" as being an issue to MS or developers.
Must admit that I find it a bit worrying that your not able to make a backup of the applications you buy by taking a copy of the cab file somewhere safe.
After having sent back 4 HTC phones (two different models) in the last 10 months, and having an SD die on me I'd really like to know that I have a backup of anything I've paid for.
Can anyone confirm if its possible to reinstall something you've paid for through the Marketplace app if it gets removed from your phone, or you get another phone? ie if you log into Marketplace with the same Lice ID does it show apps that you've bought but which aren't on the phone your connected with?
If I look at an app that I have installed through Marketplace there is no install button anymore and Marketplace tells me that it is installed... so no obvious way to get the application back...
Not enough free apps on the UK store for me to mess about with really (have installed Shazam trial but don't want to risk uninstaling it just to see what happens).
-FM
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Must admit that I find it a bit worrying that your not able to make a backup of the applications you buy by taking a copy of the cab file somewhere safe.
After having sent back 4 HTC phones (two different models) in the last 10 months, and having an SD die on me I'd really like to know that I have a backup of anything I've paid for.
Can anyone confirm if its possible to reinstall something you've paid for through the Marketplace app if it gets removed from your phone, or you get another phone? ie if you log into Marketplace with the same Lice ID does it show apps that you've bought but which aren't on the phone your connected with?
If I look at an app that I have installed through Marketplace there is no install button anymore and Marketplace tells me that it is installed... so no obvious way to get the application back...
Not enough free apps on the UK store for me to mess about with really (have installed Shazam trial but don't want to risk uninstaling it just to see what happens).
-FM
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looks like it keeps track of all apps you purchased.
ow well, I guess it's a matter of time when there will be sites that point to all the cabs available on upload sites and stuff. Just like those sites exists for iphone/ipod (appulo.us for example)
I guess that's what happens when people see that there a lot of apps available on other country stores..
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looks like it keeps track of all apps you purchased.
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Hi dicemaster,
How did you try this? Uninstalling and reinstalling on the same phone or another phone? Or the same phone after a hard reboot / content erase?
I'm just interested to know from what state you can get back to your purchased applicationsand whether is purely your windows live id that connects you to your purchases or if there is some device specific stuff checked as well.
Cheers,
FM
Is there anything to stop Software Authors implementing (or continuing to use) their normal Serial number protection systems?
Looking at the Market Place, there are obviously some of the Big Names we all know and love, and I don't see why they would remove protection systems they have in place already, unless it was a MarketPlace requirement.
Personally, I can't say I'm at all impressed with the MarketPlace implementation - it heralds back to the early days of PocketPC. Maybe they're going for lowest common denominator hardware support, but frankly even the relatively poor Android marketplace on Hero is massively better. And the Appstore even more so. And I think Cydia tops most of them!
Let's hope that the MarketPlace at least drives prices down.
V
I am assuming it's more difficult then just going to \Windows\AppMgr\Install folder while the installer is running and copy the CAB file to another location. This is how I get the CAB files from PC only installers.
I personally use SKTracker a lot. I take a snapshot before, and then during the install and see what has changed. That generally tells me right where any install files/CABs are that I need to grab.
vijay555 said:
Is there anything to stop Software Authors implementing (or continuing to use) their normal Serial number protection systems?
Looking at the Market Place, there are obviously some of the Big Names we all know and love, and I don't see why they would remove protection systems they have in place already, unless it was a MarketPlace requirement.
Personally, I can't say I'm at all impressed with the MarketPlace implementation - it heralds back to the early days of PocketPC. Maybe they're going for lowest common denominator hardware support, but frankly even the relatively poor Android marketplace on Hero is massively better. And the Appstore even more so. And I think Cydia tops most of them!
Let's hope that the MarketPlace at least drives prices down.
V
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Microsoft does not support your own serial systems. There is no information you can compare runtime vs purchases either, so you can't roll your own. Well ok, you DO actually have device ID information you could use, but that way purchasers can only run the application on the phone they actually bought it on. It is not clear how 're-download' information will be transmitted. If that also transmits a device id, then it is possible to roll your own, though it would be pretty nasty.
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I am assuming it's more difficult then just going to \Windows\AppMgr\Install folder while the installer is running and copy the CAB file to another location. This is how I get the CAB files from PC only installers.
I personally use SKTracker a lot. I take a snapshot before, and then during the install and see what has changed. That generally tells me right where any install files/CABs are that I need to grab.
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If you go to C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync on your PC, you'll probably find an archive of many things that you installed over active sync.
SK Tools is a good way to re-pack any installed programs into cabs. I would guess that it works with programs from Market Place.
good find bud..i sent it to engadget for ya
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/08/dev-finds-windows-marketplace-drm-severely-lacking-easily-circu/
I hope this time it's the correct forum.
So long story short.
I've written an app that allows to hijack FaceBook profiles over the WiFi. So when you're connected to WiFi you can "hack" into other users profiles. It doesn't work for profiles using SSL (yes you have that option in FB). So it can be treated as a "bad app". BUT! it is not dangerous for the one using it. I am aware that this is "questionable" application, but is there any other way to tell people - "HEY! use secure connections, it is not safe to use public WIFI!". I'd bet that a lot of you don't use SSL now and after using/reading this app you will turn SSL on.
That could be the #1 reason for deleting my app.
The second one is that I've put a 'demo' app in the market with a limit to sniffing only 3 profiles. But you could buy it through paypal. And today I've found out that this also could lead to app deletion. However i've bought launcherpro through paypal so I don't see why my app was removed in less than 24 hours.
What is your opinion and what can I do to sell my app somehow (i need my 25$ back that I've paid to register in google wrr...). Is there an option I could do put it in market without google deleting it like putting a disclaimer or something? The app itself is safe for the user downloading it.
Edit: If I put a link to this app here will this thread be deleted? If so, is there an option to promote it here?
Per forum rules, link removed
bponury said:
I've written an app that allows to hijack FaceBook profiles over the WiFi
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There's your answer.
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There's your answer.
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+1 on that
if it allows you to hijack fb you can steal other information from the users account so why would they allow it and put themselves into a legal bind for doing so
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There's your answer.
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So if it wasn't for this app you would be safe? No, facebook is ignoring users privacy and this app is nothing more then a good way to show people what could be the cost of not using secure connections. Of course this can be used in a bad way, a lot of apps can. Like sms bombing or phone number spoofing. But they are not removed from the marked do they?
Ethics
And even worse you want to get paid for it.
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Ethics
And even worse you want to get paid for it.
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Yes, I know what ethic is however we're not living in a perfect world and just believing that everyone is good and ethical so I can just leave my door open when leaving the house is not going to protect me against the reality. I believe in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_disclosure and this case is even better because FaceBook is aware of the problem and just ignore it. A few people are aware that there's an option to use SSL on facebook. In my opinion FB should just get it done right and force users to use it. It's not a problem these days right? And what is wrong in getting paid for my work. I've spent some time developing it. Security by obscurity is not working, really. Take my app for example it would take max 1h to crack it. It's not security it's just being to lazy to secure it. And hoping that no one would care to crack it.
sms bombing is not hacking someones account! you are just spamming someone with messages.
even if it is down to fb to let people know about security, the market owners can be sued for allowing such an app on the market. there are better ways of showing a person how unsecure a connection is without punishing them in such a way.
the secure connection is useful for public connections but some people may not want or need to use it at home so they have the ability to switch it on or off. apparently there are issues with some games on fb that are linked in with the use of the secure connection.
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sms bombing is not hacking someones account! you are just spamming someone with messages.
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People are killed for spamming in russia (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/26/russian_spammer_killed/)
And what about spoofing caller id? AFAIK that things are valid in court cases in Poland.
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even if it is down to fb to let people know about security, the market owners can be sued for allowing such an app on the market. there are better ways of showing a person how unsecure a connection is without punishing them in such a way.
the secure connection is useful for public connections but some people may not want or need to use it at home so they have the ability to switch it on or off. apparently there are issues with some games on fb that are linked in with the use of the secure connection.
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I don't know how to tell people - secure yourself any other way. I know i'm devils (myself) advocate right now, but really do you think that forgetting about insecurity is a good way? I don't force anyone to use it in a bad way. But after I showed how it works in my house all my room-mates turned SSL on instantly. And they were not mad about it, shocked a bit but now they are safer now. Sure you can just tell people - hey turn ssl on and 90% of them will ignore you. But when you show them - look! i can see your messages that easily if you don't do it. Then they would listen.
haha! So, if someone got a gun and went around shooting people in cars to proove that they should actually have bullet proof windows and burst-proof tyres, that it's all ok, and not in any way shape or form, illegal?
ha. ha.
infact op ip should be reported to facebook
By nature I wouldn't go near this app. If its collecting other peoples info I could be collecting my own. Thats how I see it logically ... people always get screwed when they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
There is a place for all apps in this world be they good or bad. You could always host a site and put it on there. I wouldn't go near it cause once again I'd be afraid of whats laced on that site.
I was just providing another point of view to the convo.
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haha! So, if someone got a gun and went around shooting people in cars to proove that they should actually have bullet proof windows and burst-proof tyres, that it's all ok, and not in any way shape or form, illegal?
ha. ha.
infact op ip should be reported to facebook
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So if you have a car that can be opened by someone who has a screwdriver wouldn't you want car manufacturer to secure your car. Buying a bulletproof car isn't exactly the same as pushing a button in a web browser isn't it? And you're comparing killing a man to posting "I'm a jackass on someones FB wall". But still, you can buy a gun right? Also pretending that there's no problem isn't fixing a problem.
And hey, this app isn't new you know, if it wasn't for this thread maybe you wouldn't know that people use this apps on PC's maybe one day you would find that all your mail is gone (yes, this app could be modified to work with other sites like this forum). And ask yourself wouldn't you be pissed if you've found out that anyone using your network could get into your bank account? Well I would. But most (all?) banks use SSL by default. Google does. Why FB doesn't?
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By nature I wouldn't go near this app. If its collecting other peoples info I could be collecting my own. Thats how I see it logically ... people always get screwed when they are doing something they shouldn't be doing.
There is a place for all apps in this world be they good or bad. You could always host a site and put it on there. I wouldn't go near it cause once again I'd be afraid of whats laced on that site.
I was just providing another point of view to the convo.
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Yes, in fact it needs root to modify iptables and send raw arp messages and I know people get scared when an app needs root. If someone is interested I could write here how it's done and anyone could write it. It's actually nothing magical.
I wrote this app as a project for my mobile programming class. In the first version it also sniffed for Gadu-Gadu messages (it's a polish messenger). But I sure hope that when and if this app let's loose than FB will react and enable ssl by default. Maybe other websites will use it too. It's just that easy to protect your users, I don't understand why they don't do it?
most people who do not want their details stolen, do not use public access internet. does FB take money transactions over their site?
google does and the banks do so they will have a secure section. fb may do this using paypal or google checkout or otherwise so may not need the ssl that the banks need. sure it still renders people vulnerable to attack and theft of other information but even so that information is very limited dependant on the user of the account.
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most people who do not want their details stolen, do not use public access internet.
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Yes, so other people want their details stolen? You are aware of the problem 'cause your "into computers" but out of 500 milion fb users how many of them ever heard of SSL? How many know that they are unsafe?
well with the amount of messages being spread on fb already about this i think more people will know, but to let people know only by stealing their details is pathetic. sure you may have made this app for a project but why give other people the power to do this. all you are doing is providing more uses for those who like to make other peoples lives a misery. the best thing that could be done with this is to let the website provider know how unsecure their system is. especially if you are aware of the issue and are bothered by it. i know i'd do the same. if that didnt work, sure i'd tell people about it but i wouldnt sell an app on to others so they can make use of it. not even for free.
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well with the amount of messages being spread on fb already about this i think more people will know, but to let people know only by stealing their details is pathetic. sure you may have made this app for a project but why give other people the power to do this. all you are doing is providing more uses for those who like to make other peoples lives a misery. the best thing that could be done with this is to let the website provider know how unsecure their system is. especially if you are aware of the issue and are bothered by it. i know i'd do the same. if that didnt work, sure i'd tell people about it but i wouldnt sell an app on to others so they can make use of it. not even for free.
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Sure I could write an e-mail to facebook, but this issue is known for years! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_hijacking I am sure FaceBook is aware of it. In fact they've enabled SSL only a month ago (maybe two months) but why it isn't enabled by default?
who knows. perhaps issues with other applications on the website, or applications made to access facebook. they may have left it so they can cater for other applications for and on the site. only they can answer that question.
anyway, he just showed the spirit of a developer and created something new
he never told anyone "hey go hack facebook profiles" or "sniff those profiles, its fun"
he just showed the possibilites of android development and did nothing wrong in my opinion
it's not his fault if facebook is unable to close a security leak known for a long time
yeah dont get me wrong blezz i understand that completely. but the argument was as to why they would remove it. legality reasons would be tne main issue. to cover their own backs as they can in fact face legal action for allowing the app to become available in their market.
I don't see anything wrong with the app.
It shows the flaws of facebook, and the fact that no one in facebook cares enough to do anything about it. But then I understand whygoogle would remove it... If facebook decided to sue for this google would be sued not YOU.
so it would be best if you released it HERE on xda rather than the market
don't even know where to begin to explain the world I live in and this is the best place I can think of or somebody could possibly answer what the hell is happening.. no I will try to keep this summarized and not going to too much detail other than with the technical aspect.. so my girlfriend was going into my phone and I'm sure she was trying to get into everything possible like my Google account Instagram lineapp what'sapp snapchatocrosoft account amazon.account VK, everything... Now I'm sure somewhere along that she synced her phone because obviously a bunch of my files now ended up on her phone making her think that I somehow installed some virus to her phone which now in her mind she feels like if the phone's messing up or if the router is Messing up which my assumption is she was in the router messing around with settings and now she doesn't have internet when she goes to solve this problem she goes out and uses Wi-Fi elsewhere and now when she went back to the house she couldn't go to the Internet service provider website to be able to mess with the settings on the blue curve router from Shaw because her phone was saying she was in the states we live in canada. She's under the impression I've gone to some third party app site that allowed me to get some firmware that her words has mirrored her storage and it was my way of blocking her ability to see twitch and discord because I was obviously hiding that because I was talking I assume with other women on it ...
Alot of the issue started with the fact that I used to play a game called magic Rush and I had shared my account or given it let's say a player that continued on with it.. obviously giving the Google account because it was binded is the email to the account, caused a s*** storm of problems.. password manager was all synced across his device anything he downloaded in his Play store showed up in my history just making it look like I just deleted it.. she feels like I'm hiding files on my computer or my phone because of some of the apps he had downloaded the other guy in Guatemala that I had shared the account with he had a calculator app that was a vault for hiding files like pictures.. she's literally accused me of everything under the sun thought somehow Steam my Steam account was being used to talk to other girls or somehow I was hiding files because she would take a random file from Steam in one of the folders and when she tried to open it with when we are it would just show up like random numeric code complete gibberish and this is why I must have been hiding files I must have been encoding them because I had things like notepad++ and irfanview, she's told me that I've cloned her SIM card and I have a VPN in the states so I can use things like Vox talk or w.e phone app that's just for the states.. I'm on an s10 plus and she's on an s10 so now that we kind of got the Guatemala guy off the account there is still weird s*** going on she went into developer tools on Google Chrome and it looked at the source code when you're looking at the Google activity when you're logged into the account and it had lots of words like null and hidden and she was swearing up and down thinking that this was proof that I was being shady..
Does anyone have any idea what could have possibly moved my files onto her account whether that be through her signing into my Google s*** but I mean yeah she feels like my phone's infected her phone or my computer has infected hers and I think it was just her and experience self somehow enabling it to like share all files I don't know I can't tell you everything she's possibly gotten into but she's clicked on everything a woman could click on oh and side note if you reach this far and you read all this thank you for taking the time because this is a serious issue in my life right now this was also in the beginner or new help thread I will also attach pictures the cheese sent me over the last month or so showing that I was being shady and did some s*** to her phone that I had rooted it or mirrored her storage
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don't even know where to begin to explain the world I live in and this is the best place I can think of or somebody could possibly answer what the hell is happening.. no I will try to keep this summarized and not going to too much detail other than with the technical aspect.. so my girlfriend was going into my phone and I'm sure she was trying to get into everything possible like my Google account Instagram lineapp what'sapp snapchatocrosoft account amazon.account VK, everything... Now I'm sure somewhere along that she synced her phone because obviously a bunch of my files now ended up on her phone making her think that I somehow installed some virus to her phone which now in her mind she feels like if the phone's messing up or if the router is Messing up which my assumption is she was in the router messing around with settings and now she doesn't have internet when she goes to solve this problem she goes out and uses Wi-Fi elsewhere and now when she went back to the house she couldn't go to the Internet service provider website to be able to mess with the settings on the blue curve router from Shaw because her phone was saying she was in the states we live in canada. She's under the impression I've gone to some third party app site that allowed me to get some firmware that her words has mirrored her storage and it was my way of blocking her ability to see twitch and discord because I was obviously hiding that because I was talking I assume with other women on it ...
Alot of the issue started with the fact that I used to play a game called magic Rush and I had shared my account or given it let's say a player that continued on with it.. obviously giving the Google account because it was binded is the email to the account, caused a s*** storm of problems.. password manager was all synced across his device anything he downloaded in his Play store showed up in my history just making it look like I just deleted it.. she feels like I'm hiding files on my computer or my phone because of some of the apps he had downloaded the other guy in Guatemala that I had shared the account with he had a calculator app that was a vault for hiding files like pictures.. she's literally accused me of everything under the sun thought somehow Steam my Steam account was being used to talk to other girls or somehow I was hiding files because she would take a random file from Steam in one of the folders and when she tried to open it with when we are it would just show up like random numeric code complete gibberish and this is why I must have been hiding files I must have been encoding them because I had things like notepad++ and irfanview, she's told me that I've cloned her SIM card and I have a VPN in the states so I can use things like Vox talk or w.e phone app that's just for the states.. I'm on an s10 plus and she's on an s10 so now that we kind of got the Guatemala guy off the account there is still weird s*** going on she went into developer tools on Google Chrome and it looked at the source code when you're looking at the Google activity when you're logged into the account and it had lots of words like null and hidden and she was swearing up and down thinking that this was proof that I was being shady..
Does anyone have any idea what could have possibly moved my files onto her account whether that be through her signing into my Google s*** but I mean yeah she feels like my phone's infected her phone or my computer has infected hers and I think it was just her and experience self somehow enabling it to like share all files I don't know I can't tell you everything she's possibly gotten into but she's clicked on everything a woman could click on oh and side note if you reach this far and you read all this thank you for taking the time because this is a serious issue in my life right now this was also in the beginner or new help thread I will also attach pictures the cheese sent me over the last month or so showing that I was being shady and did some s*** to her phone that I had rooted it or mirrored her storage
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Lol! Seems like you are really under some big trouble...
By the way, did you check if partner sharing in on? And did you add her as a family member to your google account and granted permissions for her account to access yours? Check these first. Google them if you don't know how to...
And maybe prove her that her phone isn't rooted and show her that even Knox in her S10 isn't tripped concluding that you didn't do anything and maybe proving her they might have happened by mistake.
Venkata Lochan Nune said:
Lol! Seems like you are really under some big trouble...
By the way, did you check if partner sharing in on? And did you add her as a family member to your google account and granted permissions for her account to access yours? Check these first. Google them if you don't know how to...
And maybe prove her that her phone isn't rooted and show her that even Knox in her S10 isn't tripped concluding that you didn't do anything and maybe proving her they might have happened by mistake.
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So I check partner sharing and I believe that's a part of the Google photos side of Google nothing seems to be enabled I also found some other pictures that explain some of my pain I must have been encoding my drive because of the
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So I check partner sharing and I believe that's a part of the Google photos side of Google nothing seems to be enabled I also found some other pictures that explain some of my pain I must have been encoding my drive because of the
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Hmmm. Maybe try proving your innocence by the way I said..
She reads root and thinks ta da, it must be rooted... I explained all that does is allow people to like tweak their phones better sort of like jailbreaking but there's no convincing her of that
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She reads root and thinks ta da, it must be rooted... I explained all that does is allow people to like tweak their phones better sort of like jailbreaking but there's no convincing her of that
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Try proving in a way like using a root checker.
Get some one else's device and show the same root certificates...
This may help.
And did you show her that her KNOX is still intact and it did not trip.? If no, first do it... that way, you could prove that nothing just happened to her device and its still secure and not rooted.
Then maybe you could give her other explanations...
She's going to spin it like this, that I'm somehow rooting her messages like sending them off she also feels a cloned SIM card and thinks I'm just a f****** monster like I'm literally a cat playing with a mouse and torturing the person by watching them squirm with their phone and to be honest I've lost all effort and trying to defend it trying to figure out why when you take a file from Steam and go to unzip it with one RAR it shoots out weird numerical wingding.fonts I explained The Root checker thing to her and she didn't even want to check it meaning that she just doesn't know the right words to explain it to me when she says I may actually get her to come on this thread and f****** explain everything that's happening to her s*** because yeah man it's it's a serious problem
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She's going to spin it like this, that I'm somehow rooting her messages like sending them off she also feels a cloned SIM card and thinks I'm just a f****** monster like I'm literally a cat playing with a mouse and torturing the person by watching them squirm with their phone and to be honest I've lost all effort and trying to defend it trying to figure out why when you take a file from Steam and go to unzip it with one RAR it shoots out weird numerical wingding.fonts I explained The Root checker thing to her and she didn't even want to check it meaning that she just doesn't know the right words to explain it to me when she says I may actually get her to come on this thread and f****** explain everything that's happening to her s*** because yeah man it's it's a serious problem
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Ohh MMAAANNN, this is too much..
Is she still mad at you? first try calming her down. Get another device from your friend or someone else if possible and show her that every Android has such things. If she still doesn't believe, ask her to get on XDA and try a conversation with the XDA senior/staff members about all her doubts...
Try your best.
Know something? These XDA guys are really awesome. They help a lot if required.
She's going to spin it like this, that I'm somehow rooting her messages like sending them off she also feels a cloned SIM card and thinks I'm just a f****** monster like I'm literally a cat playing with a mouse and torturing the person by watching them squirm with their phone and to be honest I've lost all effort and trying to defend it trying to figure out why when you take a file from Steam and go to unzip it with one RAR it shoots out weird numerical wingding.fonts I explained The Root checker thing to her and she didn't even want to check it meaning that she just doesn't know the right words to explain it to me when she says I may actually get her to come on this thread and f****** explain everything that's happening to her s*** because yeah man it's
Bro we've gone to war over this and the f***** up part is right now it's like she's like just admit it and we can get past it... And it's like first off I'm not doing it she thinks that because I used to run a video game back in the day which was a pre-compiled server that I didn't have to do any sort of coding whatsoever other than edit like Lua and XML she feels like I'm this master coder but I'm not.. also I don't have the willpower and determination to learn or care enough to getting into her phone I just asked her to show me what I wanted to see and if she didn't want to show me it then I would have a problem I would not go about the same matter by like hacking her phone... So her she's like well if you're going to keep lying well then I can't be with somebody that's going to keep lying.. well.fk... I am going to get her on here cuz I really would like to figure out what f*** this all up
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She's going to spin it like this, that I'm somehow rooting her messages like sending them off she also feels a cloned SIM card and thinks I'm just a f****** monster like I'm literally a cat playing with a mouse and torturing the person by watching them squirm with their phone and to be honest I've lost all effort and trying to defend it trying to figure out why when you take a file from Steam and go to unzip it with one RAR it shoots out weird numerical wingding.fonts I explained The Root checker thing to her and she didn't even want to check it meaning that she just doesn't know the right words to explain it to me when she says I may actually get her to come on this thread and f****** explain everything that's happening to her s*** because yeah man it's
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Wait, why did you just resend an old msg of yours...? Doesn't make sense
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Bro we've gone to war over this and the f***** up part is right now it's like she's like just admit it and we can get past it... And it's like first off I'm not doing it she thinks that because I used to run a video game back in the day which was a pre-compiled server that I didn't have to do any sort of coding whatsoever other than edit like Lua and XML she feels like I'm this master coder but I'm not.. also I don't have the willpower and determination to learn or care enough to getting into her phone I just asked her to show me what I wanted to see and if she didn't want to show me it then I would have a problem I would not go about the same matter by like hacking her phone... So her she's like well if you're going to keep lying well then I can't be with somebody that's going to keep lying.. well.fk... I am going to get her on here cuz I really would like to figure out what f*** this all up
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First relax, tell her that you will ignore this all first get past it. Later, when every you are free and happy with something, you could explain her everything slowly.... Don't you think this will work out?