A couple of questions....MyTouch 3g - myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development

A couple of questions....MyTouch 3g - myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development

I came from WinMo phone which I used to flash all the time with different ROMS. Now I have this Android and am not sure what to do with it, I love the phone, have had it for about 3 months now, but I know it can do bigger and better things. So is rooting the same thing as unlocking? When I used to flash my WinMo phone I would drop the ROM into the little software flash package I kept on my hard drive and change it out. Is there such a thing for Android. I really like this phone and don't want to screw it up assuming I know what I'm doing because I did it on my other phone, I want to edumacate myself like I did before I started flashing my other. Does anyone have reliable good information links they can point me to within this forum that will help me feel good about flashing this phone too? I know I've read that just rooting the phone makes it run faster without flashing a ROM....true? Thanks for your help, suggestions, etc. All is appreciated.

sopranoiam said:
I came from WinMo phone which I used to flash all the time with different ROMS. Now I have this Android and am not sure what to do with it, I love the phone, have had it for about 3 months now, but I know it can do bigger and better things. So is rooting the same thing as unlocking? When I used to flash my WinMo phone I would drop the ROM into the little software flash package I kept on my hard drive and change it out. Is there such a thing for Android. I really like this phone and don't want to screw it up assuming I know what I'm doing because I did it on my other phone, I want to edumacate myself like I did before I started flashing my other. Does anyone have reliable good information links they can point me to within this forum that will help me feel good about flashing this phone too? I know I've read that just rooting the phone makes it run faster without flashing a ROM....true? Thanks for your help, suggestions, etc. All is appreciated.
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Wow... Amazing that you could put in the effort required to post all of this, but couldn't read through the Wiki posts and general information stickies at the top of this Forum.
Please do some more reading.
One hint... Your MyTouch 3G is a 32B device.

I was really confused when I started customizing my girls mytouch...Ive been flashing WM phones for years even update my kitchen with newest releases etc. In fact I personally use a touch pro.
I have yet to really sit down and figure out how to make some android roms myself. Ive been loading up premade roms posted on here.
It was a bit confusing when finding out how to get a hero rom on her phone. With all the fat 32/ext2/3/4/linux swap etc.
What I did was followed the one click rooting thing that loads cyanogens recovery and rom. Then I took the amon_ra recovery which allows you to partition the sd card on the device since I didnt have an sd card reader on my laptop or linux. When you are loading the cyanogen recovery/rom you'll download an app from market called recovery flasher or something like that. In the first step you'll be asked to backup the cyanogen recovery which makes a file on the sd card. Take the amon_ra recovery file and rename it the same as the backup file on the sd card. Overwrite the file on the sd card. Rerun the recovery flasher app and click restore from backup..Follow the instructions and you'll have the Amon_ra recovery.
Boot into the recovery screen (hold home and power until it boots up) partition the sd card. I have my girls 1gb set at 256mb ext4 partition, 64mb linux swap, and the rest as Fat32.
Then load up a rom make sure its intended for 32b.
I by no means am an expert in this so take what I said with a grain of salt. I wrote that from memory. Just trying to help someone out the was just like me a month ago. Really confused.
Hope that helps.
PS. Took me a while to find out but despite this being the forum that seems would be for the mytouch I actually find more roms for 32b in the G1 forum.

You can check out the wiki page on cyanogen's website:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Main_Page
that was enough information for me to get started. Note that I haven't partitioned my sd card.

maybe u can try this tutorial .. it's one of the simplest direct methods to flash ur phone
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579328
p.s. : expect things to be more complex here it's just linux way of doing things

I used the guide at the cyanogen wiki and it works marvelously. I do reccomend using Amon_RA's recovery image instead of the Cyanogen one used in the guide(not to be confused with Cyanogen's ROM. Absolutely use the ROM, but when you get to the Recovery Image part, install Amon_RA's and follow the same steps, making sure to adjust command lines to reflect this different recovery image).
It just offers more functionality that I'm sure you'll find useful for later, such as backing up, partitioning, converting ext partitions and so forth. You'll learn about that stuff later.
Happy rooting, and best of luck to you my friend. As a fellow myTouch3G user, feel free to PM me with any questions. =)

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JesusFreke please read this.

Well today i had everything setup like i wanted. I had JFv1.41 rc33 version install on my g1 and a custom Theme. I wanted to switch my them for a new more looking one. So i download a new custom and install it. to my surprise i install an old them which i install. Boot the phone and got the T Mobile G1 logo and that it i get stoke there. So here why i made this tread to tell JesusFreke in the next or when ever he could add a USb toggle in recovery mode. I am stoke with this till 2 days. This will help allot of first g1 noob. Thanks for your time.

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A: next time make sure you download a theme that works with your version of JF
B: why didnt you put this under JF's thread?
C: if you have an update.zip(or something that can be renamed and used as such) you can go to the recovery console, type "mount sdcard", then use the basic linux commands to put it on the top directory of the sdcard and restart and load it up, thus fixing your phone. If not, you should keep on somewhere on your phone just in case such a need arises

[email protected] said:
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A: next time make sure you download a theme that works with your version of JF
B: why didnt you put this under JF's thread?
C: if you have an update.zip(or something that can be renamed and used as such) you can go to the recovery console, type "mount sdcard", then use the basic linux commands to put it on the top directory of the sdcard and restart and load it up, thus fixing your phone. If not, you should keep on somewhere on your phone just in case such a need arises
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So you want to be a smart ha here i go.
A) People can make mistake
B)I did that because i wanted to make Jf read this thread and it will help people like me who don't really have the knowledge on using Linux easy.
C)I don't really know that much of using linux like u.

I'm sure many people send JF many PM's wanting the same thing as you do. Do you think he has the time or want to answer a question that someone else might be able to answer?

Making mistakes is something you need to be more careful about. Having root means the phone will let you do whatever you want. This means safety features that are made to protect you from yourself are not active. Read about what you are doing before doing it. That is the message n00bs need to be given.
Put the sd card in your computer, place the .nbh file on it, reboot into bootloader and downgrade your phone. Then work your way back up to JF 1.4x and read more carefully before you install themes. I know my way around the G1 very well (if I dont say so myself) but I still do not install themes. They are nice, but they are not at the point where installation is as easy or system friendly as they could be.

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C)I don't really know that much of using linux like u.
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I've never really used Linux myself, as it seems more complicated than it's worth most of the time, but I've had no problems so far using a rooted G1, or installing custom firmwares, etc. I haven't tried themes, but from what little I've read into it, not only does it seem fairly straight forward, but I've also noticed quite a few of them warn the user that they need to be running the Lite version of JF 1.4x before they install a theme because otherwise there simply isn't room. That said, it's not up to JF to babysit everyone that decides to delve into the unknown.

I dont understand what your problem is,
if u dont know about linux buy an microsd to SD adapter, extract microsd from your phone and use a computer to copy JF's latest update.zip to your card and then upgrade usual way
what is the problem?

JesusFreke if your reading this I just wanted to say "Hi" and "Thanks" and ... and.... Ummm ...

Everyone in here relax.
Try not to direct threads to a specific person. This is a developement thread. You want a specific someone to read something, send them a PM. If you are lucky he will read it, if he doesnt have them turned off.

How and why do you people know all of this?

I had a friend root my phone and I know if I want to flash a new build I rename the file update and drag it to my android folder then restart the phone a certain way and press alt s to load the build.
I love my g1 and the 1.5 build Im using but I cant get any further because Ive scoured the internet and these threads and I just cant figure out what all of this computer jargon means and I dont understand how anybody does know without taking classes in it.
I think I should make a nandroid backup and partition my sd card to run apps but good lord what does this mean (regarding nandroid)???---
"anyone who has root on their G1 and has the engineering/dev spl bootloader [1] (or has a dev phone) + a recovery image with busybox and adbd running as root [2"
and this (regarding sd partition)???---
pre-requisite "You created the FAT32 / EXT2 combo partitions" I mean this is a PRE-REQUISITE! I found a thread regarding the fat/ext deal and didnt understand it either.
I know nobody is here to babysit but is there some website somebody can direct me to to begin understanding what Im reading, I mean I read through the sd partition for dummies thread and I literally understood MAYBE 10% of the words, if thats for "dummies" im clearly the "dumbest"
I have the will I just dont have the way, ive typed the language i dont understand into every search engine I know of and Ive learned nothing. You guys are born geniuses
and what the hell's a "script"

No offense intended, but I don't think you should root your phone or carry out any of the procedures outlined in the developer forum. Following instructions to the letter is important when you are performing unauthorized and unsupported hacks, and most of those instructions assume an intermediate-to-advanced level of computing understanding.
As far as "where you learn it", I assume it varies from person to person. Although in nearly all cases, you learn it slowly by absorption when you are immersed in computing culture. Eventually if you lurk enough and see a word enough times in a particular context, you gain an understanding of what it means without being explicitly told.

You learn as you read through forums and threads and asking questions. If you're lucky, someone will explain it to you.
A script is like a programming language that controls a software application.
Nandroid is a tool or script you can use to backup your phone. It takes a bit of knowledge to restore from the backup though and requires a separate thread
You can read all about SPL's here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455860
Can't help you with busybox/adb/recovery image right now.
FAT32 and EXT2 are just file type partitions. Think of a hard drive as a box. You put a divider cutting the box down the middle to split it into 2 compartments so each compartment can store something different. That's essentially what you do to a SD card when you create a FAT32 and EXT2 partition.

I learned all this by totally screwing things up, then reading, and reading some more. Then using the search function of the forum and of course more reading.
Now I understand a good deal about ADB, terminal, and the many, many other things that come with a rooted phone,,
I don't agree with the post that said if you don't get it don't try it.....
But that is cause I learn by doing...

As mentioned, doing this is a little complicated. The wrong step can temporarily brick your phone and then you'd have to know how to fix it, which in a way also requires a certain level of knowledge. It's best to learn and absorb the information first and to NOT be in a hurry to implement what you learn.
DMaverick50 said:
I had a friend root my phone and I know if I want to flash a new build I rename the file update and drag it to my android folder then restart the phone a certain way and press alt s to load the build.
DMaverick50 said:
This will be invaluable to fixing a botched up hack. Although, many times you'll also have to wipe (alt-w) to clear out your personal settings and personal data.
DMaverick50 said:
I love my g1 and the 1.5 build Im using but I cant get any further because Ive scoured the internet and these threads and I just cant figure out what all of this computer jargon means and I dont understand how anybody does know without taking classes in it.
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As mentioned, we all just love the stuff, and pick it up as we go. Most of us read extensively and have well set backgrounds on computers. If you want to get your degree in brain surgery, it helps to have basic knowledge of human anatomy, first.
DMaverick50 said:
I think I should make a nandroid backup and partition my sd card to run apps but good lord what does this mean (regarding nandroid)???---
"anyone who has root on their G1 and has the engineering/dev spl bootloader [1] (or has a dev phone) + a recovery image with busybox and adbd running as root [2"
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Nandroid is a backup program build into the... "recovery mode" for lack of a better description. It's where you do the alt-s at. Alt-b creates a backup of your system. To restore it, you must read the thread sticky that walks you through it.
DMaverick50 said:
and this (regarding sd partition)???---
pre-requisite "You created the FAT32 / EXT2 combo partitions" I mean this is a PRE-REQUISITE! I found a thread regarding the fat/ext deal and didnt understand it either.
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As mentioned, FAT32 and EXT2 are types of filesystems. Think of it as being told to store a box in a wearhouse. The filesystem, in a sense, would be like the isles, shelves, etc. that help you not just have a giant pile of stuff.
This is asking you to have an SD card that has been partitioned off into two partitions (a giant wall in the middle of the wearhouse) where on one side you have one way of storing things that is easily understandable by the average joe (windows, linux, apple) and one side that is much more complicated but much more efficient to store things that only the wearhouse manager understand (linux.)
DMaverick50 said:
I know nobody is here to babysit but is there some website somebody can direct me to to begin understanding what Im reading, I mean I read through the sd partition for dummies thread and I literally understood MAYBE 10% of the words, if thats for "dummies" im clearly the "dumbest"
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No. We all started somewhere. Nobody here came here and understood everything over night. Most of us have YEARS of experience in the computer field, if not decades. As far as knowledge here, it takes months of READING to really start to understand things. Once you do, THEN things will make sense and then you're less likely to break your phone.
DMaverick50 said:
I have the will I just dont have the way, ive typed the language i dont understand into every search engine I know of and Ive learned nothing. You guys are born geniuses
and what the hell's a "script"
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Read, read, read. That's my way.
And like mentioned, a script is just what it is in real life. Something you follow. If I gave you a movie script, you follow what it tells you to do while in the movie. In the computer world, it's the same. You write a script that tells the computer what to do.
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I see you joined few days ago. I suggest you start from the begining. i.e. read all stickies. Every questions that you've asked here was asked before by someone else and answered multiple times.
To offer a glimpse of hope here: it's a lot easier for n00bs now as more and more people get comfortable with Android and Android tools and it's not just 2-3 guys who can answer a question. Also, at this point we have apps that will run a script for you, move your apps and caches to SD, overclock you CPU, etc etc etc.
Welcome to XDA and good luck

For the APPS2SD do this....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=500387
OH, first backup EVERYTHING on your SD card to your desktop.
Open the terminal program... I always do this **** in adb cause you wont catch me dead trying to type and read a small screen when adb is copy and paste.
type
su
cd /data
wget http://64.105.21.209/bin/lib/droid/sdsplit
chmod 555 sdsplit
/data/sdsplit -nd -fs 7500M (thats for an 8 gig card. so adjust it depending on what side card you have 4 gig = 3500M etc...)
Now you need to make sure you have an APPS2SD rom... That makes /system/sd available. Now you have to copy and make "aliases" from the old spot to the new... Million threads on that one. Just wanted to give props to "MartinFick"s script (bunch of commands in a file I guess you can say. You can run any partitioning sw on windows 7 or I would of gone that route...

i appreciate the replies. Ive been on this forum for about month checking throughout the day (instead of paying attention to my professors) but only signed up recently to post.
I do understand the concept of nandroid and the sd partition, I just get lost in the processes very quickly. In my life Ive only learned by screwing things up so im ready for almost anything. I dont want to get stuck without a phone though so Ill definitely try to get a better understanding before trying anything dramatic. I guess Ill keep looking for some website that has a search where I can just type in all of the language I dont understand, surely this type of site exists I just havent found it yet...

southsko said:
For the APPS2SD do this....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=500387
OH, first backup EVERYTHING on your SD card to your desktop.
Open the terminal program... I always do this **** in adb cause you wont catch me dead trying to type and read a small screen when adb is copy and paste.
type
su
cd /data
wget http://64.105.21.209/bin/lib/droid/sdsplit
chmod 555 sdsplit
/data/sdsplit -nd -fs 7500M (thats for an 8 gig card. so adjust it depending on what side card you have 4 gig = 3500M etc...)
Now you need to make sure you have an APPS2SD rom... That makes /system/sd available. Now you have to copy and make "aliases" from the old spot to the new... Million threads on that one. Just wanted to give props to "MartinFick"s script (bunch of commands in a file I guess you can say. You can run any partitioning sw on windows 7 or I would of gone that route...
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The steps seem doable but it says to use jesusfreak's build, i am on dude's will this be a problem? thanks

Simple...we are the borg! The apparent knowledge is actually just one giant shared conscience, connecting our minds together from the time we log onto XDA...and we think you should join us. *Evil Laugh*

knight4linux said:
Simple...we are the borg! The apparent knowledge is actually just one giant shared conscience, connecting our minds together from the time we log onto XDA...and we think you should join us. *Evil Laugh*
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ROFL.
DMaverick50 said:
I guess Ill keep looking for some website that has a search where I can just type in all of the language I dont understand, surely this type of site exists I just havent found it yet...
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I'm not sure if that exists. You see, almost all of those terms were invented by people in THIS forum.

DMaverick50 said:
The steps seem doable but it says to use jesusfreak's build, i am on dude's will this be a problem? thanks
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I did it on the dudes. Any (i think) build that enables the ext partition to be mounted to /system/sd will work...

So can I partition while on this regular build and then flash the apps2sd build or do I need to first download an apps2sd build and then do the actual partition?

some help
When it says to use the jf build that's just the one he used and is familiar with the steps the root hack the phone are the same no matter what. Now the thing you want to do is learn one proccess and stick with it weather it be abd, fastboot, or the sdcard method for beginners or noobs I do not suggest adb or fastboot cause it require knowing how to use a comand line and if you don't know what that is then don't try it. But like everyone says read about it first before you take the plunge also since you have a friend who can do it have him show you how he does it sometime seeing it done on the fly or being told while doing it with someone there to take over if things go wrong is always good. Have fun flashing and once you figure it out do it a few time to get used to it

DMaverick50 said:
I had a friend root my phone and I know if I want to flash a new build I rename the file update and drag it to my android folder then restart the phone a certain way and press alt s to load the build.
I love my g1 and the 1.5 build Im using but I cant get any further because Ive scoured the internet and these threads and I just cant figure out what all of this computer jargon means and I dont understand how anybody does know without taking classes in it.
I think I should make a nandroid backup and partition my sd card to run apps but good lord what does this mean (regarding nandroid)???---
"anyone who has root on their G1 and has the engineering/dev spl bootloader [1] (or has a dev phone) + a recovery image with busybox and adbd running as root [2"
and this (regarding sd partition)???---
pre-requisite "You created the FAT32 / EXT2 combo partitions" I mean this is a PRE-REQUISITE! I found a thread regarding the fat/ext deal and didnt understand it either.
I know nobody is here to babysit but is there some website somebody can direct me to to begin understanding what Im reading, I mean I read through the sd partition for dummies thread and I literally understood MAYBE 10% of the words, if thats for "dummies" im clearly the "dumbest"
I have the will I just dont have the way, ive typed the language i dont understand into every search engine I know of and Ive learned nothing. You guys are born geniuses
and what the hell's a "script"
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heheh .. didn't we mention we're all a bunch of geeks - LOL - genius cannot be found here (pointing at self) .. i have been known to have a couple bright ideas now and again tho
"script" is just a funny way of saying "we did the work for you" .. all those lines of text that nobody wants to type over and over and over are all neatly packed into one little file .. type the name of the file and VOILA!! all those lines of text are spit into the little pocket sized computer and you have no blisters on your thumbs to show for it
now .. if we could only find a script that got us thru rush hour traffic

DMaverick50 said:
So can I partition while on this regular build and then flash the apps2sd build or do I need to first download an apps2sd build and then do the actual partition?
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I did what I posted then flashed the APPS2SD rom and then transferred everything over, but when I flashed it it still had all my apps so I would say you can do it before also.
Remember to nandroid backup before you try and move all your files.
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Once you get adb running sending all these commands are so easy as you copy and paste and you can restore your phone back the way it was in 2 minutes...

southsko said:
I did what I posted then flashed the APPS2SD rom and then transferred everything over, but when I flashed it it still had all my apps so I would say you can do it before also.
Remember to nandroid backup before you try and move all your files.
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Once you get adb running sending all these commands are so easy as you copy and paste and you can restore your phone back the way it was in 2 minutes...
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i see. im so much more confident attempting the partition after these posts im tempted to ask for the same help with nandroid since ive looked through the threads. But I guess i should head to one of them and start asking questions i know they run a pretty tight ship around here with duplicate threads and off-topic ones and what not...

nandroid was so much harder to read in the thread than it actually is
I'm hoping this thread may help other people.... and will try and help till I run out of beer.. anyway
restoring a backup when you are can connect with fastboot is so simple. Once you get adb working then dl and put fastboot in the tool dir. Then you go to your sd card /nadroid/randomcrap/whatever date/ and copy the 3 files below into the same tools directory.
from the command line on your computer type
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash data data.img
I flashed to one of the first cupcake roms and was like **** this! flashed right back to my old backup. ahhhhh!!!

southsko said:
nandroid was so much harder to read in the thread than it actually is
I'm hoping this thread may help other people.... and will try and help till I run out of beer.. anyway
restoring a backup when you are can connect with fastboot is so simple. Once you get adb working then dl and put fastboot in the tool dir. Then you go to your sd card /nadroid/randomcrap/whatever date/ and copy the 3 files below into the same tools directory.
from the command line on your computer type
fastboot flash boot boot.img
fastboot flash system system.img
fastboot flash data data.img
I flashed to one of the first cupcake roms and was like **** this! flashed right back to my old backup. ahhhhh!!!
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Get ready to laugh..............adb? Fastboot? Everything else looks straight forward ( I assume I'm copying the 3 things to sd thru cpu)...

lmao...

[CONCEPT] Root automatically from SD Card or from PC

I'm thinking of creating a small archive of files, that when extracted to the SD card root, and applied, will root the phone and apply a firmware in only three steps.
It will only contain four files - the RC29 DREAIMG.nbh file necessary for downgrading, an update.zip that contains the latest SPL and Radio, the latest Cyanogen Recovery image, and a simple script that applies root, SPL/Radio, and your favorite firmware.
I'm not sure if it will work, but constructive criticism and ideas are welcome.
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First method: Root from SD card
This method puts all the necessary files on an SD card, and does not require a computer after that.
Basically, in a zip file, you have the RC29 DREAIMG.nbh, update.zip, and root script.
You extract this to the root of a FAT32-formatted SD card.
You reboot with camera+power, apply the DREAIMG.nbh, reboot.
Once the phone is booted, type in "sh /sdcard/root.sh".
From the exposed root terminal, it will begin the following:
Write the Cyanogen recovery image to flash, move image to system/recovery.img, remove image file
Place commands in /cache for recovery to apply the radio/spl combo package and if it exists, a custom firmware, in the correct order
reboot recovery, performing the above tasks automatically.
Benefits include:
- No telnet app required, not opening up a telnetd, more secure
- Only one command to enter
- No(?) risk on flashing the Hero-compatible radio/SPL out of order and bricking that way, as both are flashed at the same time
- Automates several of the processes in rooting, allowing for a quicker root
- Can be placed on a special "rootkit" sdcard, and used to quickly root your friend's phone in a matter of minutes, anywhere
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Second method: Root from PC
Another method I thought of uses no manual copying to the sdcard, but requires a PC with fastboot(?) and adb.
First, it pushes the RC29 DREAIMG.nbh to the sdcard, and issues a reboot to bootloader.
You press a few keys to write the image, and reboot.
--OR--
First, it pushes an update.zip containing the update just before T-Mobile patched the root kernel exploit, then it puts the commands to flash it and reboots into recovery. After that flashes, it reboots again.
From this point on, it's all automatic.
The script waits for the device to be ready, and adb install's the auto-root exploit apk, and launches the intent through adb shell am start [...]
At this point, the WiFi settings are probably not capable of downloading the Cyan recovery in the case of those of us without data plans, so it will need to be pushed.
Once the autoroot apk flashes the recovery, we must write parameters to flash the radio/spl combo package, and the custom firmware (if applicable), to /cache, and reboot.
At this point, the radio, SPL, and firmware should be pushed and written, so the script exits.
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If this sounds stupid, doesn't make sense, will auto-brick your phones, start global thermonuclear war, make all random numbers generated by your phone divisible by three, cause your meticulously placed lineup of G1 dominoes to collapse prematurely, or boot up the LHC and wind up creating a black hole, I am terribly sorry, but it's an idea I had at 2 in the morning, and it took me this time to research some things and write this post. It's about 5:30 AM now.
This is only an experimental concept. Some things might not be completely thought out. I'm tired, and hungry. I may create a proof-of-concept implementation of this, if I knew a bit more about the syntax of describing intents to launch in 'am', or the command syntax of the package:/META-INF/com/google/android/update-script file.

dont forget that for root from SDcard, EU users need a goldcard, so its still not that easy..
even for insta root from PC, you still need to downgrade, and for that we'll need a goldcard.
why not just use 1click root?

First you have one click root which does give you access to recovery with security off so possible to somehow go from there instead of downgrading and all that hassle. I personally to do not care to see the advancement of this app for the simple fact that there are already a wave of people that can not read and expect hand holding every second of the way and you want to make it even easier to confundle their minds.............are you nuts....
I already have a rooting sdcard for rooting other people's phone that contains one click recovery flasher, cyan 4.04 and the hard spl and it takes me 10 mins to do it just cause off the first boot up takes so long

also you cant have your pc reading the sdcard at the same time that the phone is

The concept is good but...theres many complications to have it done automatically.

I sure would like to see something like this. I have a G1 that I rooted the long way and a MT3G rooted with the one click method. I have enough knowledge to follow instructions and read, I partitioned my own card, so the G1 was doable. I dont have the time or the knowledge to go the long route with the MyTouch gold card ADB route and would love to be able to flash Hero ROMS when I get the bug. I have Cyan's latest on the MT now and its awesome like all his stuff but I would have played with Drizzy's ROMs. For someone like me with a little ability but far less than most people on here, something like this would be the bomb!

not sure if its possible or anything, but there should be some way for the script to check if the phone has a pvt board or not, and if not, it prevents the new spl from being flashed, should reduce noob bricks.

Leave root the way it is I think the harder it is to root your phone the less peaple are going to do it. I spent alot of time reading before I rooted, not so much to learn how to do it, but to decide if I wanted to make the jump. During this reading process I learned the ways of XDA, use search, where to place the right questions and where NOT to and finally read first then ask. With an autonatic root I would have loaded it then freaked out if something went wrong and started posting root questions all over the place. Leave well enough alone... Learning to root give you the right to pursue other adventures.

maybeoneday said:
Leave root the way it is I think the harder it is to root your phone the less peaple are going to do it.
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Frankly, I didn't root my phone to feel special, so I don't see any benefit whatsoever in less people doing it.
I don't think this will work though. There's too many variables. As described it will only root US phones. UK phones would need RC7, so you'd have to include both and check if the current OS is CRC1 or CRC37 (or respective older/newer versions). But European phones outside the UK (like my German G1) will be on CRC37 too, and those won't take RC7 without a goldcard, so you'd have to automate goldcard creation as well. I'm sure the complications don't end here.
Also, shoving Haykuro's SPL onto inexperienced/unsuspecting/ignorant users' devices is just begging for trouble. Just use HardSPL - the rooting kit won't be able to run Hero-ROMs right away, but at least that won't brick the phone if flashing some rom downgrades the radio. (E.g., I know some official updates do that.)

1 click root is so simple and idiot proof (and im a total panzy noob lol)
i don t think there is any simpler way to do this lol

Frenchtom, nothing is idiot proof, have you been over to the q and a section, if there is a way to do something and good instructions, it will get screwed up cause of people not taking the time to read the complete directions and then read them twice to make sure they comprehend them

Okay, thanks for your input, everybody.
I did know about 1-click root, however I thought that depended on a kernel vulnerability that was already patched in the OTAs. I was looking at a more universal(ish) method, and I did not know about the "goldcard" issue. I did know that UK phones would need RC9, but I failed to include that as I really just wanted to get to bed.
Also, I don't think that root is anything "special", i.e. some sort of elitist egotist symbol that says "I haz root fone and I better than u". Seriously, more people should be allowed to use the more advanced features of their device at their own choosing, knowing that there are risks involved.
People who walk up to someone, say "I got a root phone", shows off some massive demo of awesomeness (i.e. Hero), and doesn't teach others to root the G1 themselves (or worse, charges for instructions that could be found free here) are really the antithesis of an open-minded community of developers adding more features as they feel, for what little donation money they get and the credit of doing something cool for other G1 users.
I do however agree that pushing features that can potentially insta-kill the device on the average person and their grandma, people that wouldn't know what the benefits of root are, and people who would never even have known that their G1 ran Linux (or what Linux is, for that matter), is just asking for trouble. A fair balance between educating people about the phone's internals and making easy-to-install root packages and stuff should be kept.
I learned a lot about Windows Mobile and embedded software when I first flashed a custom ROM to my HTC Wizard years ago. And I actually had a fear that if any small detail were left out, or if I breathed on the phone the wrong way, the flash would fail, white-screen, and brick out.
The G1 is no different, even though the flashing process has come a long way, we still have an IPL, SPL, bootloader mode, many different variations, board revisions, regional changes and operator customizations/lockdowns (I had a Cingular 8125 G3 btw), and many versions of Consumer, Engineering, and HardSPL that have to be treated very, very carefully, just like on the Wiz.
Anyway, anyone's free to try and build a better mousetra--- err, rootkit using my ideas. And thanks plenty to the dedicated developers here, the more enlightened users for helping me find out why this wouldn't work, all the users, without whom, we wouldn't have a reason to develop, and the 17%-or-so of you that dislike my idea.
When I learn a bit more, I might get into making something useful for Android.

repack dreamimg.nbh with everything, so one just has to flash the one image

Oh I am not saying that I think I am special just cause I have a rooted phone, I am also a person that is on here always trying to help walk someone through any issues that may arise,just saying making easier for people to break something because they did not read the instructions is quite common and think that it should take a little bit of work so that you learn in the process

[Q] First android, very overwhelmed. A Question about SD cards.

This is my first android and only my second smart phone. My first was iphone 3GS.
I've had the phone for just a few days now and I'm beginning to understand things but I still have a bunch of questions. I'm sure it's answered in a guide somewhere already but I'm having trouble understanding the lingo to understand the guide...
So this phone obviously doesn't have an SD card port. But does that mean there is no way to create a virtual SD card? Is there one already on the phone that I don't understand how to access it?
In apps that require other files stored on an SD card it often brings up a browser with the location /SD card/. Is this an actual folder location? How can I access it and how can I put files there?
I apologize in advance because I probably will not be able to understand your directions since I just don't understand android talk yet.
I have no idea what sort of info you guys might need so here it all is.
HTC One X
AT&T 4G LTE
USA
Rooted using [ROOT] 1.85 One Click Root! - ACT NOW, MAY NOT LAST FOREVER! (I'm not sure how I did this or if I was supposed to. Just following instructions...)
I have no idea what a bootloader is, just that it can be unlocked. Should I do this? What does that mean?
I have a vague idea of what a rom is and i'm running the vanilla stock one. Any advice of what the advantages are of changing my rom and how to do it? Again I looked at the guides but I can't understand it...
I have no idea what a kernal is.

PhatCrits said:
This is my first android and only my second smart phone. My first was iphone 3GS.
I've had the phone for just a few days now and I'm beginning to understand things but I still have a bunch of questions. I'm sure it's answered in a guide somewhere already but I'm having trouble understanding the lingo to understand the guide...
So this phone obviously doesn't have an SD card port. But does that mean there is no way to create a virtual SD card? Is there one already on the phone that I don't understand how to access it?
In apps that require other files stored on an SD card it often brings up a browser with the location /SD card/. Is this an actual folder location? How can I access it and how can I put files there?
I apologize in advance because I probably will not be able to understand your directions since I just don't understand android talk yet.
I have no idea what sort of info you guys might need so here it all is.
HTC One X
AT&T 4G LTE
USA
Rooted using [ROOT] 1.85 One Click Root! - ACT NOW, MAY NOT LAST FOREVER! (I'm not sure how I did this or if I was supposed to. Just following instructions...)
I have no idea what a bootloader is, just that it can be unlocked. Should I do this? What does that mean?
I have a vague idea of what a rom is and i'm running the vanilla stock one. Any advice of what the advantages are of changing my rom and how to do it? Again I looked at the guides but I can't understand it...
I have no idea what a kernal is.
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Welcome to the world of Android!
Our phone's file system is as follows:
2gb for Apps (in the /data location)
10gb for User Data (known as the "sdcard", in the /sdcard location, basically a virtual sd card)
4gb for system files and such.
Use any file explorer to acces the files in /sdcard. However, you can only edit the other "partitions" (as they are called, basically the other parts of the file system as described above) with root.
Root is basically giving you access to those other parts of the system so that you cant usually access so that you can modify your system
Bootloaders are the things that load the device firmware. If you unlock them, you can write custom things to boot the system up, such as custom recoveries (used to install custom ROMs, back your system up, etc) and custom kernels.
If for now you aren't going to use any custom ROMs then don't worry about Bootloader Unlock. If you want to use custom ROMs then you will need to unlock your bootloader and install a custom recovery.
Custom ROMs really come in two different types: ones that remove extra crap that AT&T/HTC install on there but are still very stock looking and give you a faster stock experience, and also those ROMs that completly deviate from stock and have an entirely different look and feel.
The second category of ROMs also can be broken up into two categories. One of them is AOSP (Android Open Source Project) ROMs that give you the vanilla look of what Ice Cream Sandwich is supposed to look like (look up screenshots of a Galaxy Nexus to see what it looks like). An example of ROMs like this are CM9 and AOKP. They both give you extremely high customizability. There are also ROMs that deviate from the standard type of different ROMs, such as the MIUI ROM. These give your phone a completely different look and feel like the AOSP Roms except they aren't trying to mimic AOSP. Check out screenshots of the MIUI ROM to see what I mean of a different ROM.
Ask any more questions you have.

rohan32 said:
Welcome to the world of Android!
Our phone's file system is as follows:
2gb for Apps (in the /data location)
10gb for User Data (known as the "sdcard", in the /sdcard location, basically a virtual sd card)
4gb for system files and such.
Use any file explorer to acces the files in /sdcard. However, you can only edit the other "partitions" (as they are called, basically the other parts of the file system as described above) with root.
Root is basically giving you access to those other parts of the system so that you cant usually access so that you can modify your system
Bootloaders are the things that load the device firmware. If you unlock them, you can write custom things to boot the system up, such as custom recoveries (used to install custom ROMs, back your system up, etc) and custom kernels.
If for now you aren't going to use any custom ROMs then don't worry about Bootloader Unlock. If you want to use custom ROMs then you will need to unlock your bootloader and install a custom recovery.
Custom ROMs really come in two different types: ones that remove extra crap that AT&T/HTC install on there but are still very stock looking and give you a faster stock experience, and also those ROMs that completly deviate from stock and have an entirely different look and feel.
The second category of ROMs also can be broken up into two categories. One of them is AOSP (Android Open Source Project) ROMs that give you the vanilla look of what Ice Cream Sandwich is supposed to look like (look up screenshots of a Galaxy Nexus to see what it looks like). An example of ROMs like this are CM9 and AOKP. They both give you extremely high customizability. There are also ROMs that deviate from the standard type of different ROMs, such as the MIUI ROM. These give your phone a completely different look and feel like the AOSP Roms except they aren't trying to mimic AOSP. Check out screenshots of the MIUI ROM to see what I mean of a different ROM.
Ask any more questions you have.
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Thank you Rohan and Kleeman.
So I'm gonna keep asking if you don't mind. It seems to me that if I were to keep the stock rom then I would not be getting all I could out of the device. I think cleanrom is for me, but would I be missing out on features by sticking with SenseUI? Could you point me in the direction of a very very very dumbed down way to unlock it, preferably device specific? Simple google searches brought guides but not one I could follow. Oh, and when should I backup and how?

[ODIN+CWM] GB Ext4 Starter Pack (Nov 24) THANKS!

After struggling with this phone T959V for 3 days I finally got the ROM installed.
It seems as you read these forums you're not sure if what you're reading is accurate and how much of this still relevant to your issue.
I did everything on a 32-bit system as this seems to matter as I couldn't do this on my 64-bit Win7, but that was following the heimdall oneclick methods, but I could only go so far with that. I got all the way to the cannot mount SD Card...
Being that this is my 2nd phone to root, this is the harder of the lot (my other was HTC)
But enough about myself here's some tips if you're still having issues with this guide that helped me out which wasn't posted.
Do yourself a favor and just get a 2nd SDCard. Stop crying about the cost and just get one. I had 2 8GBs so I didn't care if anything happened.
I made sure I copied all the data over to the hard drive and then formatted the blank one and put the files back. So now if I blew this one up while in rooting mode, I didn't care, because I knew I had one sitting ready to go.
You may want to get the latest Samsung USB drivers as mine was 32-bit and after rebooting it was able to see the phone.
If you stick your phone in downloading mode, just leave it there and make sure odin can see your phone. If its not showing up then something else is wrong (usb, cable, port...etc) many times ODIN couldn't see my phone and I had to download reinstall drivers reboot etc...but my phone was still hanging in download mode, so dont sweat it...
I was able to follow the directions and was very happy I got to step 10.
You may want to get the QuickBoot.apk as this is better than going to CWM once you're in the phone.
But now enter the ROM and I get the blasted "Cannot mount sdcard".
And I cannot make a backup, which is an indication that something is not reading right.
I read through the forums and they talked about creating a partition. Since I didn't care about the SDCard info I just said create a partition thinking that it would create a separate partition on the card...nope..it will wipe everything from the card as if you formatted it. I chose the 1024 and 0 cache and away it went.
After a quick reboot, I was able to make a backup and finally load a ROM and install.
I didn't realize that it was such a big deal with the formatting, but again as they say follow all directions.
I didn't do the #12, but did hear the Linda and all is great!
I'm happy to report that my Samsung Galaxy S T959V is finally rooted and Valhalla Black Edition installed.
I figured I should contribute my headaches as someone might be going through them as well.
My follow up questions would be:
1. Do I need to flash the busybox_installer?
2. If I got a new and say larger SDCard like 32GB and just created a new partition, would it just reformat that to the phone's liking and then install a new ROM in that?
Thanks for this forum!
Andy

sqlandy said:
My follow up questions would be:
1. Do I need to flash the busybox_installer?
2. If I got a new and say larger SDCard like 32GB and just created a new partition, would it just reformat that to the phone's liking and then install a new ROM in that?
Thanks for this forum!
Andy
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1. You don't really need the busybox installer, but it's recommended since there are a few apps and tweaks out there that need busybox. If I recall correctly, I threw in busybox into my edition of VB, but I'm not sure if Raver threw it into his.
2. Yeah you can format it directly from the phone but the repartitioning is necessary, it'll work just after a format.

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