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BIG problem with SMS (all lost)

Today I received sms form my friend. Nothing special - alert appeared, I clicked "Go to". And then... There was no chat history (I had pretty long chat with my friend), only one "link" (blue underlined label): "View older messages...". When I clicked on it (I thought chat was too long for cache, but I have longer working good) something started mixing and flashing on screen and now I had EMPTY all boxes (inbox, sent, outbox). When I killed (with task manager) Messaging app I couldn't run it again...
Luckly I made backup (with SPB Backup) this morning, so I had many chances to try to repair it. I discovered, that when I entered that chat (with "View older messages") and then I click OK, not close or X, this same happends - I lost my messages and cannot run Messaging app.
I'm fighting with it for about 4 hours now. I recovered morning backup about 20 times... On the other forum I've found, that messages are kept in "\cemail.vol". I noticed, that this file gets smaller (2-3 times) after this situation... I also tried deleting it (it's pretty hard, because file is protected, but I can do it with mortscript added to startup) without result - I still had all my messages, and entering that one chat was causing failure.
Does anybody have idea what could I do? I know, Hard Reset, but I'd like to keep my messages. I tried Jeyo Mobile Companion and other software to backup my smses, but Palm has teaked OS, and none of these apps can see my messages. At least I'd like to export it to txt file to read them on pc/ppc.
Can anybody hepl me, please?
Best regards,
Milosz
PS
I won't do HR now, waiting for solution and watching if other chats are "good"...

No chance i think. As you have said, the Palm Treo handles SMS-Messages not in the standard way. For the future you can try "SMS forwarder & archiver" from thbi. With SMSForwarder you can redirect your sms-messages to Outlook Notes. The Program ist only available in german in the moment.
Look here: http://www.thbi.de/de/software/smsforwarderarchiver/index.html
miloszz said:
Today I received sms form my friend. Nothing special - alert appeared, I clicked "Go to". And then... There was no chat history (I had pretty long chat with my friend), only one "link" (blue underlined label): "View older messages...". When I clicked on it (I thought chat was too long for cache, but I have longer working good) something started mixing and flashing on screen and now I had EMPTY all boxes (inbox, sent, outbox). When I killed (with task manager) Messaging app I couldn't run it again...
Luckly I made backup (with SPB Backup) this morning, so I had many chances to try to repair it. I discovered, that when I entered that chat (with "View older messages") and then I click OK, not close or X, this same happends - I lost my messages and cannot run Messaging app.
I'm fighting with it for about 4 hours now. I recovered morning backup about 20 times... On the other forum I've found, that messages are kept in "\cemail.vol". I noticed, that this file gets smaller (2-3 times) after this situation... I also tried deleting it (it's pretty hard, because file is protected, but I can do it with mortscript added to startup) without result - I still had all my messages, and entering that one chat was causing failure.
Does anybody have idea what could I do? I know, Hard Reset, but I'd like to keep my messages. I tried Jeyo Mobile Companion and other software to backup my smses, but Palm has teaked OS, and none of these apps can see my messages. At least I'd like to export it to txt file to read them on pc/ppc.
Can anybody hepl me, please?
Best regards,
Milosz
PS
I won't do HR now, waiting for solution and watching if other chats are "good"...
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Thanks thbi for your answer.
Is there way to export (to any form) my messages? I decided to purge all messages from my Treo but I'd like to hve copy (copy to read them, not backup).

Where does Treo store messages? In what file?
I made HR and I'd like to restore my backup (SPB Backup) but except that file. I tried resoring everything except databases, but I have my messages... And still having this same problem...

problem with my cemail
hey i got a typhoon and my cemail got over 12mb and the im getting memory errors. i cant copy the cemail.vol file neither can't i do anything else. how can i backup my sms and also resize cemail.vol file....

Suggestion on Backing up AND extracting/reading text msgs?

'lo.
Apologies, I'm a bit of a noob around here. I asked about this in IRC and I got a few half-answers. Essentially, I'm one of those guys who keeps logs of most things. That said, I want to remove the text messages from my phone, but have them backed up and readable on my computer.
The reason for wanting to remove them has to do with the fact that someone suggested that the 1500+ text messages are (for some silly reason... text... of all things) slowing down my Fuze. This would make sense, since I noticed that using Mystic Series, my phone has slowed down over time... and since text messages (non-graphical in nature) are all that I've gained, this theory would make sense.
I've used PIM Backup... but how do I backup text messages to my computer where I'm able to read them?
Many thanks!

if you have a mac you could use missing sync which has that option while on the pc side i believe theres another software for it. But you could also use vito sms chat to make a complete backup of each conversation thats readable by a computer...

hey im looking for this too, but for windows
ive already researched jeyo mobile extender and pocketexport
which one of those is better and is there anything else?

tried out pocketexport, wasn't able to get it to function. Was going to do Vito SMS Chat, but didn't get around to it.
I ended up using Microsoft MyPhone. I happened to stumble upon the SMS "Archive to Internet" feature. Unfortunately, you can't just select "Archive All". You have to go by pages of messages (I had to "Archive All" 122 pages). However, everything is backed up in a readable format online, and it removes it automatically from your phone, giving you the option to restore later.

BeAuMaN said:
tried out pocketexport, wasn't able to get it to function. Was going to do Vito SMS Chat, but didn't get around to it.
I ended up using Microsoft MyPhone. I happened to stumble upon the SMS "Archive to Internet" feature. Unfortunately, you can't just select "Archive All". You have to go by pages of messages (I had to "Archive All" 122 pages). However, everything is backed up in a readable format online, and it removes it automatically from your phone, giving you the option to restore later.
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One question. Does it put them back in there original threaded format?

Have you looked into Dashwire? It allows you to sync almost all of your phone content (or whatever you select) to a free online service. Text messages, contacts, pictures and videos, etc. I have been using it for a bit now and am pretty happy with it. If I can find a better option that will allow me to do this with a local machine I will take it as I would prefer to have everything on my own systems (I,too, am one who likes to keep copies of everything) and I have not yet tried to find a way to move the archives from the Dashwire service to my home systems.
The service definitely is not an ideal solution but it works for now.

myphone.microsoft.com. its awesome. use it.

Threads... why?

Ive seen MS chose to combine IM and SMS and to me this looks really messy.
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
Certainly if somebody just left his/her pc on or IM on accidently....
They should have added facebook private messaging as well and IM/SMS seperated like it was and just added a chat pivot in the messaging hub.
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
Its kind of short sighted implementation, the idea is good but the reality will be very annoying the way it works now.
you will get a ton of sms like notifications for every IM which can be annoying since on a chat conversation people send much more messages per minute than trough sms. Having to toggle online offline all the time will be a pita
am i the only one who thinks this will be garbage? Instead they should have allowed third party apps like whatsapp to use this on user permission. I hope I can switch off the live messenger. Or just revert back to the original sms screen

I like the idea to have an overview of my messages regardlessly whether they come via SMS, Windows Live or Facebook. Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming. But I can imagine Microsoft changes the way the tile works. So it still shows the number of SMS, but in addition to that shows an icon or something when you recieve a chat message from Facebook or Windows Live.

In my opinion.. the best feauture ever, of every OS. Loved that!

I love it as well, and think its nice not to have to go to 4 different places for my facebook, text, wlm & (eventually skype).
While I hope they either have a toggle setting for separate 'rows', or add it soon after Mango for those who really don't like it, I honestly doubt they want to mess it up by having too many places for messages. It fits in pretty perfectly with their vision for the overall UI design imo.

For me,M$ thread is not a new idea,it just copying the messaging app in the HP webos...however HP webos messaging is better,they can download apps that support HP connect and integrate into the messaging app(so,this means they can have more than 1 im clients in 1 messaging app).
Feel so sorry to HP webos,always being copied by others,even the UI design of playbook has been copied

Marvin_S said:
First of all the integration of IM is quite nice but I wish it was kept seperate from SMS conversations since these are to the majority of people still different than IMs and used on different devices or apps. I dont want to continue a conversation automatically on a different app or something. This will be very annoying to the other user.
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Threading will be the beginning of the end for SMS IMNSHO. Most people still use SMS because it's what they know and are used to.
My wife is a great example, she keeps sending me SMSes while I'm out because that's what she's used to. Even though I've had email (and to some extent IM) on my phones since forever. With a "messaging hub" it takes all the guesswork out of the equation - she'll write the message as she normally does and the phone will decide whether it should deliver via FB, Messenger, Skype or SMS.
Now, if you don't want to continue the conversation if the user has moved to a different device you don't have to. The phone will tell you how the message was sent as well as what services the recipient is currently logged on to.
Marvin_S said:
to me an sms is still something every user has always with him her, like when u send somebody an address or something it should be on their phones and not deliverd trough IM and its annoying having to switch first.
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This just proves my point - you're used to SMS. And again, you can choose whether to send as SMS or IM.
Personally I find this feature great. Two things should be done to make it even better though;
1. Implement a industry-wide protocol so it doesn't matter if you're on a crackberry, iphone or windows phone. Sure, Skype and Messenger goes a long way towards achieving this but there are still people who use smaller IM services only.
2. Allow third-party apps to hook in to the messaging hub - there's a few apps out there today that are not chat apps as such but still implement messaging. Being able to receive (and reply to) these messages from the same place would be great. It would also make it easier for other IM services to integrate with the OS.
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Although I agree that getting notifications for all those messages shown on the SMS tile would be kind of overwhelming.
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But why? Are you less likely to want to read a message coming in thru Messenger than one delivered via SMS? I for one don't care how my messages are delivered, I just want to be notified. It's a bit like having three post boxes outside your house - one for deliveries by DHL only, another for Deutsche Post and a third for everyone else - i.e. pointless

I really like this new feature as well. I am confident that any replies you send to someone will use the same service they used to "text" you, unless you choose to change it. People on non-WP7 phones won't suddenly need to be jumping all over the place.
On the other hand, when other people send you messages from multiple sources (SMS, FB, WLM, etc), you will be able to get all of the messages in one convenient place. I like that.

[Q] Anyway to save entire SMS Chat from WM6.1 to PC?

Hey everyone,
I've wondering this for a long time and couldn't find a solution to my problem. I have samsung i780 and have upgraded it to windows mobile 6.1. It comes with the SMS displayed as a chat conversation, which is neat. I want to backup all these conversations, as they are.
When I try most SMS backup software,(like iMobile SMS backup or Godswmobile SMS transfer) they backup all the messages, but they don't save it in a conversation way. They split them into sent or received smses, and its really hard to make sense of things and its tiresome.
Is there any software that can save the entire conversation as they are displayed in wm6.1? (i.e sent-received-sent-received etc)
Or at least someone can think of in this way:
In the conversation window, I can select all, and then copy the messages to Microsoft word or Note. The problem is, it shows very few messages at a time(as the screen is small, so only like 7 or 8 are displayed at a time), and I have to keep clicking on 'Older' to go to the very first sms, which is like a 1000 click before. And its tiresome to copy/paste it in the word, and if one small error, you are pushed back to the very recent sms chat.
Cant I just access the main html/xml file on the mobile where all of this is stored? Anyone knows how to retrieve the file where all your SMS chat/conversation is saved?
Thanks

Okay, I found the software.
Jeyo Software is the one. God, I wish I had known such a software existed before. Its just beautiful.
One more thing, any idea how to restore contacts that were saved as .xml?
Thankx

[Q] Android App Request: SMS Auto-Archiver

Hello XDA community!
First, I am uncertain if I have the correct forum for this; I was debating posting it under Android Apps but it gave the appearance of being a place to get applications that have been developed, not to request for a particular app to exist. If it needs to be moved, please let me know.
Here is the problem: I've got 20,000 text messages on my phone. This is intentional. As ridiculous as it sounds to have that many text messages, I've found it to be a life saver. In one case, I saved an address from a few months ago that enabled me to bring comfort to a friend in need. In another instance, I was able to clear a dispute between my friend and my employer. Still other cases are simply nostalgic, and I know of other people who have used SMS threads as evidence in court proceedings. There is utility in keeping as many text messages as possible at hand.
The problem is that, once this many texts are on a phone, the messaging app slows down quite noticeably. Additionally, restoring from a Titanium Backup or similar can take nearly an hour to write the database back into memory. Having the texts is wonderful, but having them resident along with more recent discussions causes undesirable consequences.
What I'm looking for is an app that will copy messages to an archive and then delete them. For example, if I have 200 messages between myself and Alan, and he texts me again, I'd like message 201 to be archived and deleted. However, if Bill and I are only at message 28, that can grow without archiving until I hit 200, at which point *it* starts getting archived. Ideally I'd like this to happen in real time, but if it happened hourly or daily I can certainly deal.
The two ways I've kinda found to do this were either to make daily backups with MyBackup Pro or similar, or make them on my computer using MyPhone Explorer. MBP is nice because it keeps it on the phone, but one of the core functions I'm looking for is to be able to browse the archive as if it were a regular set of text messages - still threaded, time-stamped, and categorized by sender - just not in the regular SMS database. With MBP, it makes the messy situation of having to restore messages until you find it, which gets very difficult after more than a few weeks. MyPhone Explorer is a better tool for this and it can be searched, but it does require my laptop to do it, which is a bit challenging as synchronization has to be performed manually.
I've tried most of the add-in applications to address this; neither Go SMS Pro nor HandCent nor Fusion nor Chomp nor Textra provide this functionality.
Yes, I'm willing to pay for an application that will allow for this, so if anyone either knows of a program that can do what I'm asking or feels like writing one, please let me know.
I appreciate your time and consideration in this matter.
Joey

I have an App Request too
An On-Screen Floating Object-Oriented Toolbar, with Back, Home, Menu, & Directional keys, + additional keys depending on active screen or current app
including a 'cycle-through elements' button then hit enter on the one you want to activate
things that can be done with your thumb from one small location.
then tap & hold contracts it into a smaller set of buttons
and you can select the number of buttons & their default positions for both the expanded state and the compacted state.
so it could be used to navigate around programs, select different elements, or used as a game controller, or keypad enhancement, or enhanced navigation etc