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In the last days, I am thinking about the many features last devices have, and "poor" WM functions...
I had a Universal, then a Kaiser, and now a Raphael, and...I mean, big hardware development has been made, but, the SO is almost the same, and I do not think we are using the real potential of our devices, isn't it?!
I mean, we can read email, but what I would really want is to have ALL my emails with me in my PDA and in my Pc, to use more than one email account, but, the only way to have ALL our emails synced in our PDAs and PCs, is paying for an Exchange Server access, but, we can use only ONE Exchange server, so we have to switch to IMAP, but using IMAP means using third part software because the WM email client does not allow us to store sent email in the right IMAP server folder (which can change from server to server), and, if I use a third part software for email, I cannot use the latest HTC "people centric communication feature", I cannot use the latest TF3D2 mail page, etc...so have an advanced email system is not possible yet...correct me if I am wrong.
But I want go deeper. Most of the things we can do today with our devices (like surfing the net) it is almost not possible "on the go", it is very difficult reply an email while I am walking, or while I am driving, it is difficult read a post on this forum and replay here, it is difficult write a text message without using both hand for the stylus or with an hardware keyboard...I mean, doing things like these are easy if we are sitted down, with both hands free, and if I should be sitted down with both hands free, I also could use a laptop, or netbook, or something like that. MS has made Voice Command, but only in three languages....
What I am trying to say is that what we really need in our devices is a completely different approch, would be useful if I am in my car, I receive a text message or email, and my device can READ it for me , or if I have to write a text, I can dictate it to my device. I would like that my phone reads my RSS while I am driving, because it CPU can handle a job like this.
We have 500/600 Mhz CPU for doing what? Appreciate graphical game on TF3D2?! In the next month will be sold a new device with a 1Ghz CPU for doing what?! The same things we are doing today?!
And think about Android, a young operating system that is 2 years old that almost do the same things that our MS operating system does from 1999?! Why we are changing our devices? What has been offered to us to justify spending 500/600/700 USD or EUR for new devices?
What do you do with your phone? Send some email? trying to open 10 web pages per day? Manage a calendar? Use a navigation software? I almost could do the same things with a cheapear phone, I phone that I must not reset once a day!
Sorry for my post and for the bad English, but something is not very clear in my mind...Am I becoming crazy?!
My friend you are absolutelly right.
I have changed many phones and have used different operating systems and i can say that more or less they are all the same. So the phones are not so innovative as the hardware allows them to be. Maybe the programmers have something else in mind when they develop new user interfaces but that something is getting old... The most innovative thing i have seen in a handset is in one of nokia's "cheaper" phones the e-50 which can read your messages. It's small but it's something! plus you don't have to pay a month's sallary to get it right? I believe that the only reason for this stagnancy (i don't know if this is a word ) is that each company is hesitating to try something new just because people buy the devices as they are, which probably means they like them. So why change something???
I wish that people with ideas like yours were the ones making the OS. Things would be very different then.
I really liked your post it makes you wonder....
simply insane!!!
why are you make questions here like that?
well if you hate WM devices now... i can buy your Kaiser... sell it to me!
and buy an Iphone...
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What bothers me a little about the diatribe is that it doesn't account for the ways in which the OTHER mobile operating systems fall equally short. I don't believe that any other phone has shown itself to be measurably superior on any of the issues discussed. Don't peg it all on WM...
Don't get me wrong, there's really no excuse for the limitations of MS's own mobile OS when interacting with MS's Exchange technology.
Some have tried to fake voice control, and there's even a couple of apps that have been around for several years that make some minor steps in the right direction, but none of them function well enough to be considered 90% functional (which would seem to be the general expectation for consumer targeted devices).
The hardware improvements haven't gone completely to waste, depending on what you're using the phone for. Multimedia, Gaming, and even "Business Use" have gained from the improved hardware. New types of interaction are now possible thanks to g-sensors, lighting detection, better cameras, and proximity sensors. Sure, the full power of the hardware surely isn't realized yet (and considering how quickly the devices are replaced, I doubt it ever will be), but there's a lot happening and we're bound to see a lot more to come.
Don't forget, WM7 is likely to ship with "Tell Me", which is supposedly a pretty powerful update to the MS Voice Command technology and capable of controlling most major phone-related functions. The iPhone will certainly be copying/stealing somebody's voice technology (if not buying up a company outright). Android already has Google working on extended voice features, which will almost certainly translate into what you're asking for. In fact, every complaint mentioned is something that virtually every OS is working on adding in some form or another.
In my opinion, it's the battery and power efficiency that we need to see dramatically improve. The largest limit our phones have, which is why many features have never even been given to these phones, is that certain things drain too much power (like voice processing). If battery life improves, count on seeing a lot of these other features appearing in short order.
+ Que PPC said:
why are you make questions here like that?
well if you hate WM devices now... i can buy your Kaiser... sell it to me!
and buy an Iphone...
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Simply because I would like to know what others users and developers think...I have to said to let our devices fly outside the window, or said something offensive...Our devices today are much more usefull than the stock version just because there is a community like this where people develop piece of software or port entire rom, and I very thank all of theme. Playing with our device is also a hobby, but i really believe that big companies like HTC and others, should do a better work on these devices for how much they cost. That's it.
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What bothers me a little about the diatribe is that it doesn't account for the ways in which the OTHER mobile operating systems fall equally short. I don't believe that any other phone has shown itself to be measurably superior on any of the issues discussed. Don't peg it all on WM...
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You are partially right, I am not having other OS since 2004, I do not want to say the others are better, I say that if I pay my PDA 700 EUR against 350 for another phone that does "almost" the same things...I pay 700 EUR but I would like something more...stable, or more advanced.
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The hardware improvements haven't gone completely to waste, depending on what you're using the phone for. Multimedia, Gaming, and even "Business Use" have gained from the improved hardware. New types of interaction are now possible thanks to g-sensors, lighting detection, better cameras, and proximity sensors. Sure, the full power of the hardware surely isn't realized yet (and considering how quickly the devices are replaced, I doubt it ever will be), but there's a lot happening and we're bound to see a lot more to come.
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I partially agree with you, just to report some example, I left my Kaiser for my Raphael, and my Raphael has g-sensor, it also had the old HCT Album 2.5 which rotated pictures using the g-sensor, and this was a must using the TV-OUT cable, but now, with HTC Album 3, the g-sensor rotate features is gone...so when you see picture on the TV using the TV-OUT cable, you cannot rotate photos any more..why?! Or what about the latest TF3D2 with its calendar tab?! Yes, it is cool, but it require 10 seconds to show all the appointments on each month...while the old calendar app is fast. What I mean is that I feel that they do not make a "perfect" phone while they could, because nobody will buy another phone after, I feel like they always miss something, or left something not working (like the GD driver on Kaiser) so that people continue spending money buying new devices.
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Don't forget, WM7 is likely to ship with "Tell Me", which is supposedly a pretty powerful update to the MS Voice Command technology and capable of controlling most major phone-related functions. The iPhone will certainly be copying/stealing somebody's voice technology (if not buying up a company outright). Android already has Google working on extended voice features, which will almost certainly translate into what you're asking for. In fact, every complaint mentioned is something that virtually every OS is working on adding in some form or another.
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I am anxious to see some "really" improvements on this side, but I also think that MS has waited to much for doing something...
speed_pour said:
In my opinion, it's the battery and power efficiency that we need to see dramatically improve. The largest limit our phones have, which is why many features have never even been given to these phones, is that certain things drain too much power (like voice processing). If battery life improves, count on seeing a lot of these other features appearing in short order.
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I totally agree with you
I'm working on a project for work, and I'm not sure if the product I'm looking exists, at least yet anyways. I'll tell you what I'm looking to do, and hopefully the community can let me know if this kind of device is out yet, or if it will be released soon.
I work at a hospital and I primarily provide training and support to Physicians for our Electronic Medical Record. One of our challenges has been getting physicians engaged and interested in learning about upgrades/changes/optimization and such pertaining to our medical record. We may fix a problem that they've been complaining about for a year...but then it's very difficult to let them all know that it's been fixed without tracking each of them down to tell them. We're not talking about a dozen physicians either, it's probably closer to 400 or so.
I spoke with a few other people and we came up with the idea of basically creating an electronic bulletin board that can be wall mounted in the doctors lounge, and they can use it to look at recent tip sheets, patch notes, lesson plans, etc, that we post about our EMR. I'd also like to add some links to the more reputable medical journals, so they can use it for something more than just reading our tip sheets.
I feel that Android would be the best platform for what we're trying to do, especially since it makes it easy to share and email items to accounts, that way if a Doc doesn't have time to review it in the lounge, they can at least email the document to themselves for later review.
I'm looking for an All-in-one device, a flat panel touchscreen display running android, and the display needs to be between 32 and 50 inches.
If I could get it done for 1500 or less, that would be great, although I pretty much have the approval to use up to 5000 in capital. I know there are several devices coming out that are integrated with Google TV, but few if any of the ones I've seen have a capacitive touch screen.
Does anyone know of a current or upcoming device that could meet my needs?
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Being a big fan of Android, I really do hate to say this, but I don't know you're going to find what you're looking for. From what I've seen lately, there have been fairly successful pilot deployments of iPads + AppleTV touchscreen bulletin boards in the medical sector, but without some serious serious hacking, I don't think you're going to see this in the Android arena. I don't think I've even seen any android device larger than 11" screens... On the plus side, that does sound like a new break-in type of market if any of the major product ODMs are paying attention
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What about this!? asus.com/Eee/Eee_Pad/Eee_Pad_Transformer_TF101
Hi, i've been thinking about the past and the present, and i've realized that android, no matter how good it is, is killing the beautiful differences that taken place when phones like Touch hd, HD2 were on top.
Why do I think that? Let's go back in time to 2009- the HD2 comes out, and becomes a flagship product of the HTC, people are happy, developers are making lots and lots and lots of fixes and upgrades. As we can see now, the HD2 is still one of the most active boards on xda, with new roms and builds coming every month.
Now look at the present time- HTC released tons of new smartphones, the 7 series and the other ones, which names i didn't even remember... The point is that now, every device equipped with android (i'm not sure about wp7 but i think its likely to be the same) differs from others only by screen size or the processor, now every app is the same, every phone looks like it's been cloned from another.
HD2 looks like it's personalized specially for one owner- it has it's own programs made specially for this one machine (like tcpmp and the other ones). The new ones look like cheap machines sold for 5$- each looks the same. At the moment, the HTC doesn't have a phone, that could become a flagship product like hd2 was and that's sad, cause it doesn't seem to change.
Well, it had to be a small IMHO and it grew up to a large lecture, anyway, what do you think? Does the android make a homogeneous mass from every phone? Or maybe do you think I'm crazy?
The market is certainly diluted. There are a ton of generic devices clogging things up, and honestly there are even too many quality phones, which to your argument, limits how often updates come out and spreads out the field for aftermarket development. It's also cost in terms of hardware in certain areas, as manufacturers aren't going to maximize sound output or still/video capture quality when they know it's only going to be one of ten devices bringing in revenue. If manufacturers would focus on one or two flagship devices and two or three mid-to-low range devices this would be much better all around.
Handsets are also dropping with far too much frequency. I'd rather see quality development than to have pretty good devices come out every few months and then get ignored once the newer phone hits the market. If it weren't for developers bringing out MIUI/Cyanogen, etc to give us the latest features I can't say that I'd stay fully satisfied with the devices.
I understand that people love different features, but there's no reason I should be presented with 34 Android-based phones when I go to look for something new, and that's just from Verizon alone. Over all of the major carriers we're talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of what, probably 75-85 current market android phones? That makes zero sense what-so-ever. The number of models needs to be scaled back so that one, casual users don't feel overwhelmed with the choices, two, updates can remain current and there can be a focus on developing quality product, and three so that aftermarket developers can streamline their work and know that what they code will work smoothly across the platforms available.
It's raining androids right now, and someone needs to stem the tide.
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Hi guys,
Just had a quick question for you guys. Are there any extremely technical mobile blogs? I'm an electrical engineer and I have an (extremely) unhealthy obsession with phones. I literally have had every android phone (save for the extremely low end ones... and even then I've had some). I realized that my hobby could be better utilized by combining it with my fancy university degree.
I'm not talking about Engadget or Gizmodo, or any of the other mainstream tech sites. While they're great, I was thinking of writing up reviews of the more technical details, such as testing battery drain with different kernels or google edition vs stock edition, temperature profiles of the device, and whatever else I feel that typical reviews are missing. I don't imagine it being a big hit, but considering I have all these phones rooted and running a variety of ROMs and kernels, I could at least provide test results for the curious members of XDA as to what ROM/kernel combination gives best battery results.
If there's already blogs out there that go as in depth as I want to go, then there's no point really. If there isn't, would you guys be interested in this?
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Hi guys,
Just had a quick question for you guys. Are there any extremely technical mobile blogs? I'm an electrical engineer and I have an (extremely) unhealthy obsession with phones. I literally have had every android phone (save for the extremely low end ones... and even then I've had some). I realized that my hobby could be better utilized by combining it with my fancy university degree.
I'm not talking about Engadget or Gizmodo, or any of the other mainstream tech sites. While they're great, I was thinking of writing up reviews of the more technical details, such as testing battery drain with different kernels or google edition vs stock edition, temperature profiles of the device, and whatever else I feel that typical reviews are missing. I don't imagine it being a big hit, but considering I have all these phones rooted and running a variety of ROMs and kernels, I could at least provide test results for the curious members of XDA as to what ROM/kernel combination gives best battery results.
If there's already blogs out there that go as in depth as I want to go, then there's no point really. If there isn't, would you guys be interested in this?
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That wouldn't be a bad idea. But keep it simple, clean, regularly updated and original
But don't consider my blog as model . I hardly get time to look at it and as a result it's not good. Anyways all the best.
Hi,
I'm planning on updating from my Verizon Galaxy S.3 soon. The S3 isn't really a bad phone (except all the damage from my constantly dropping it). So although I would like something faster for sure, it doesn't necessarily have to be the current speed champ. And if I can save a buck or two on a mid-level (or last years high end phone), so much the better.
Of course I have been Googling for android benchmarking sites, but I wanted to ask what your favorite sites are to compare phones. I'm not looking for reviews (yet), I can always look them up after I have narrowed the list of candidates some.
It would be useful if the benchmarking site went back far enough to cover the Galaxy S3, so I can see how far in between any candidate phones are what I have now and the current top of the line. One site I found has a really great list going back ages, but the phones are listed by model number, not the more recognizable name. Even after doing a seperate search to figure out what phone it is, I keep forgetting when scanning the list later. So if you know sites that reference the name also in the description that would help.
Thanks,
Jon
jdnandroid said:
Hi,
I'm planning on updating from my Verizon Galaxy S.3 soon. The S3 isn't really a bad phone (except all the damage from my constantly dropping it). So although I would like something faster for sure, it doesn't necessarily have to be the current speed champ. And if I can save a buck or two on a mid-level (or last years high end phone), so much the better.
Of course I have been Googling for android benchmarking sites, but I wanted to ask what your favorite sites are to compare phones. I'm not looking for reviews (yet), I can always look them up after I have narrowed the list of candidates some.
It would be useful if the benchmarking site went back far enough to cover the Galaxy S3, so I can see how far in between any candidate phones are what I have now and the current top of the line. One site I found has a really great list going back ages, but the phones are listed by model number, not the more recognizable name. Even after doing a seperate search to figure out what phone it is, I keep forgetting when scanning the list later. So if you know sites that reference the name also in the description that would help.
Thanks,
Jon
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maybe gsmarena.com ?
Dont believe benchmarks. They have been proven to be faked and easily boosted to show false readings.