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Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.
Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.
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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
Pops_G said:
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.
Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.
Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!
Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.
I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.
Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup
Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
Alemaker
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...
kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.
Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone
I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?
Hi all - subject line says it all.
I have a shiny UK Vodafone Magic turning up tomorrow and, hoping to save a bit of time, wanted to canvas the guys on here regarding their opinions of the best ROM to use on it, before I start experimenting. Have browsed the boards and it seems that the main issue with Hero ROMs is performance on the smaller RAM size. I would like as decent a UI experience as possible, but would prefer not to make my new toy unusably slow in my hunt to get that "hey, wow, shiny" UI factor.
Main important features for me (in order of importance):
* as full featured a browser as is possible
* PDA-type stuff (i.e. calendar etc)
* email, particularly Exchange connectivity
and only then
* shininess of UI!
Would I be best waiting for Jerpelea's new release before playing? Or am I better off leaving well enough alone and staying with the stock ROM (and get my Exchange fix through third party software)
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or thoughts.
Loccy said:
Hi all - subject line says it all.
I have a shiny UK Vodafone Magic turning up tomorrow and, hoping to save a bit of time, wanted to canvas the guys on here regarding their opinions of the best ROM to use on it, before I start experimenting. Have browsed the boards and it seems that the main issue with Hero ROMs is performance on the smaller RAM size. I would like as decent a UI experience as possible, but would prefer not to make my new toy unusably slow in my hunt to get that "hey, wow, shiny" UI factor.
Main important features for me (in order of importance):
* as full featured a browser as is possible
* PDA-type stuff (i.e. calendar etc)
* email, particularly Exchange connectivity
and only then
* shininess of UI!
Would I be best waiting for Jerpelea's new release before playing? Or am I better off leaving well enough alone and staying with the stock ROM (and get my Exchange fix through third party software)
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or thoughts.
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well mate for stability and performance you have the Ion R4 and European rom for Magic. they are based on google interface with few tweaks. Ion r4 has hero look over google base so its a no brainer why they work so well
the hero ports don't work so well for most but looks amazing my friend. i love the Hero V1.4 by fatal1ty as it looks amazing. for me however it has some major drawbacks main one being the lag. for me also after using for few days it seems to get worse and gradually grinds to a halt. the hero black is very similar to Hero 1.4 with a few apps missing. they woirk the same more or less. thats why jerp has started new build from scratch but that is a few days away yet so your choice in waiting........... the ion r4 and european roms are good to go and offer a bit more than standard voda rom.!
you choose..........thats my opinion!
I have the same phone as you.
I would not recommend this one "[Update 6-07]HTC Hero ROM for Magic by Fatal1ty"
It is very slow on our UK Vodafone magic's
Hero ROMs are slow because the original Hero rom was built for the HTC hero with 288mb RAM instead of your Vodafone Magic's 192mb.
SP france europe rom seems the best choise..
Got a UK Vodaphone model , Ion r4 works best.
WebghostDK said:
I have the same phone as you.
I would not recommend this one "[Update 6-07]HTC Hero ROM for Magic by Fatal1ty"
It is very slow on our UK Vodafone magic's
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i have a uk vodafone and 1.4 is NOT very slow on mine. it is slower than the standard rom, slower than ION r4 and slower than the european one
however
it is fine for me. it has a lot of very cool features - multi-touch, facebook, twitter and flikr integration with contacts and of course it looks fantastic.
having been on 1.4 from fatal1ty and currently on the ION rom i can say that i am moving back to 1.4 as it is so much cooler. i am going to get a class 6 sd card and see if this improves speed
Paul
The class 6 wont make a huge difference - I tried. However, depends on how willing you are to put up with lag.
Personally I'd recommend the Ion R4, OR get hold of the original ION rom (I got it from Android Bloggin Network - I'll post link later) and a Root for it, then I have a blazing fast ION stock rom, with Root, so you can customise as needed.
100% stable, and Damn fast.
I tried all the hero roms, but however good it looks is a bit cruddy when you hit 10+lag between apps etc.
My phone is usable, and does everything I need until Donut, which will bring many of the social network functions in a google supported form(google still target the G1 internally, so wont hit the ram restriction like the hero rom)
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The class 6 wont make a huge difference - I tried. However, depends on how willing you are to put up with lag.
Personally I'd recommend the Ion R4, OR get hold of the original ION rom (I got it from Android Bloggin Network - I'll post link later) and a Root for it, then I have a blazing fast ION stock rom, with Root, so you can customise as needed.
100% stable, and Damn fast.
I tried all the hero roms, but however good it looks is a bit cruddy when you hit 10+lag between apps etc.
My phone is usable, and does everything I need until Donut, which will bring many of the social network functions in a google supported form(google still target the G1 internally, so wont hit the ram restriction like the hero rom)
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do we know we get the social network functions with donut for certain?
ptekelly said:
do we know we get the social network functions with donut for certain?
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I think they were demonstrated at the google dev conference so assume they'll be there
Many thanks for the above, everyone.
To the Ion R4 advocates - do you mean from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=523971
Also, is there a newb-proof guide to updating ROMS (I believe it needs to be rooted first?) and, perhaps more importantly, restoring your original ROM (ie. if you don't like the results)? Again, have punted around the forums and found a few guides but most of them seem to refer to other guides that I can't track down (i.e. they say something like "follow ABC's guide up to the reboot, then do XYZ", but have no idea where to find ABC or his/her guide).
nk02 Ion R4 or the SPF European ROM
PAUL
any chance of you tubing a vid of your fatality 1.4 in action mate i think alot of users are holding off rooting and hero build rom updating because so many complain of lag issues and freezing might be nice to see the speed in action
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PAUL
any chance of you tubing a vid of your fatality 1.4 in action mate i think alot of users are holding off rooting and hero build rom updating because so many complain of lag issues and freezing might be nice to see the speed in action
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i will see what i can do - not really setup for video at home and am away in a few days. if i get chance to setup the cam again i can give it a go
Paul
ptekelly said:
i will see what i can do - not really setup for video at home and am away in a few days. if i get chance to setup the cam again i can give it a go
Paul
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cool look foward to that if youve got time bud
I think Loccy has raised an interesting topic here. I am also a Vodafone UK HTC Magic user, willing to try some new ROMs with Hero's features, however what I really miss here is some sticky thread with complete step-by-step instructions of where and how to start with ROM flashing. I've been a heavy user of Windows Mobile devices some time ago, and also been playing with xda-dev any many different ROMs. But as far as I remember for each device-specific forum there was at least 2 or 3 sticky threads with complete n00b instructions. In this case it's a bit scattered all over the place and takes time to figure it all out and glue the pieces...
If I have time later I will try to create a guide - The information is there but absolutly agree it's hard to work out whats latest / correct info.
If not today then over next couple of days.
Hi newb alert here! Just to add a little to eva_d's point above (which would be great), as a newb n00b I'd find it really useful to know what the differences betwenn the different ROMs is.
I'm 99% I'm going to get a Magic on VF UK next month. The phone looks good and I like the idea of the open source OS so you can fiddle with what you get which is why I am here. I understand the OS on the VF UK magics is relatively lame. However, I am having trouble understanding what's the difference between fatal1ty's, nk02's and the smartphone euro one? I mean in terms of functionality. What difference does user see? Is it jthe UI? Functionality? Both? Are there any screenshots?
fatal1tys = nice but slow
nk02's = nice, fast, but what's the difference between the full and "lite" as a user? Compared to the stock ROM?
Euro = nice fast, but again, I'm not sure what I would be getting compared to what comes in the box? (btw French isn't a problem for me).
All the hero roms - currently having issues, good to play with but maybe not for everyday (unless jerpelas new rom out later is as good as hinted at...) Has multitouch browser and better music app
NK02 - good, based on the very fast Google ION rom - with a few extras
SFR - Good fast rom, french based but quick and stable
I use the stock ION rom, rooted with a few customisations. I managed to get the HERO camera working last night, working on the browser today, might have something to release (but I will need some help) later this week, depending on what the others release...
Fatal1ty - are you still there?
Jeperla - Looking forwards to version 005
If i was getting a new phone i would not get the VF one - i would go to orange and T mobile and look at what they are offering. The HTC hero looks very nice and it natively runs Rosie so why not just get that if that what you are after
remember the VF magic has even less RAM than the Magic provided by t-mobile - not too sure if that version is coming to uk
Paul
Note Rosie was not meant for a RAM shy device like the VF magic so it is going to struggle no matter what. it is a toss up between looks/functionality/speed so choose what is most important to you.
Looks = fatal1tys Rom
Speed = Ion
functionality varies depending on what you want - for me fatal1tys works so thats what i use
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Hi newb alert here! Just to add a little to eva_d's point above (which would be great), as a newb n00b I'd find it really useful to know what the differences betwenn the different ROMs is.
I'm 99% I'm going to get a Magic on VF UK next month. The phone looks good and I like the idea of the open source OS so you can fiddle with what you get which is why I am here. I understand the OS on the VF UK magics is relatively lame. However, I am having trouble understanding what's the difference between fatal1ty's, nk02's and the smartphone euro one? I mean in terms of functionality. What difference does user see? Is it jthe UI? Functionality? Both? Are there any screenshots?
fatal1tys = nice but slow
nk02's = nice, fast, but what's the difference between the full and "lite" as a user? Compared to the stock ROM?
Euro = nice fast, but again, I'm not sure what I would be getting compared to what comes in the box? (btw French isn't a problem for me).
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Additional n00b questions:
1) Do custom ROMs for Magic have full access to Android Market or installing apps would have to be manual after flashing new ROM?
2) How to revert original ROM? Is my understanding right that nandroid is a right tool for the job, ie. it dumps current ROM onto SD card and then allows to restore it? (just trying to glue the scattered pieces together
3) How does web browser work in various custom ROMs? I use my Magic mainly as an internet tablet for mobile browsing on the Tube or wherever, I very rarely use it for phone calls - would it be OK then to use custom ROM with some Hero features?
hi all
thanx for all the guys who help me to install hero rom
but now im boring and i wish that i didn't install this rom because it's very slow and a lot of lag and restating.
can any one advice me if it's good to stay at the same rom until the update is coming or should i go back for the original rom .
than x
well if you have a 32B Board then i understand when you say it is laggy and slow as i had it on my G1. In this case i would recommend you to install the 32B port of the cyanogen Rom which is very fast and stable.
Now if you have a 32A board then your probably doing something wrong as you you should not experience any slow downs..
He's got the 32B version.
You can also turn off TouchFlo, this will speed your phone up quite a bit. But you also loose access to the HTC widgets until you turn it back on.
Clinton
minogue: I've a 32A, and did not experience any slowdowns only initially. Once you start loading more apps and whatnots it does slowdown, although acceptable. When I flashed back to my stock rooted ROM, I realized Hero is quite slow after all .
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minogue: I've a 32A, and did not experience any slowdowns only initially. Once you start loading more apps and whatnots it does slowdown, although acceptable. When I flashed back to my stock rooted ROM, I realized Hero is quite slow after all .
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Try loading up your stock ROM with as many widgets and background process as the Hero and you'll see the Sense UI is actually pretty fast ans smooth. I really don't see a slow down at all, the only time it hesitates a bit is the first wakeup in the morning. I'm guessing it has to reopen all the process etc.. that are stored in the RAM.
Clinton
ClintonH: I've tried that before . Anyway, according to reviews at Gizmodo and BGR, the actual Hero feels sluggish as well. Thanks for the tip anyway!
On-topic, I'm currently using RAv1.1.0 and liking it very much. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538645
Gizmodo is not to be trusted there sites basicaly just a news funnel.(much like engadget) read from more crediable(i know i spelled it wroung) sites like cnet are better (theres more)
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/0,39030106,49303060,00.htm
but just to note some sites say its slow some say fast so there's a theroy that some might have issues.
also to put this is prospective how many wigets(which are apps) are you running at once? the Iphone can only run one at once and i can tell you its not becuase apple just dosent want you run more than one.
I had same thoughts on the hero roms, cyanogenmod is extremely fast and i have always ended up going back after trying the hero roms
I also suggest Cyanogen's. I am running a 32A version of 3.9.3 and its great.
But how do you turn off Sense?
I´m new posting here, but I´d been searching for a while in this forum for a Sense Rom that makes me forget enomther´s 1.6 Rom (the one I revert back after getting tired of FC´s and Homescreen Loads of the latest Rom) and I had finally found the first native looking 32B SenseRom.
The curiosity is that I found it in Dream´s Dev Forum...based on one Rom from guess who: Eugene!
[ROM] Sense Revolution v.2.2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579674
Good News: I´d installed this Rom with just one partition (fat32 of course)= Fastest ever Sense xperience you´ll ever enjoy+ no FC+ NO HOME LOADS.
Bad News: some typical problems with Bluetooth, Wifi, G-Sensors and Graphics errors when gaming (Speedforge and Head to Head Racing) due to RAM hack craps.
02/12/09 Update : New Version is called MYHEROrevolution v.2 (direct link added)
If you are tired of home loads using a Sense Rom, in my modest opinnion you should stick to Qtek´s latest work.
Latest 32B SENSE ROMS:
-Qtek´s v.2.3: http://www.4shared.com/file/160821071/1398aded/Qteknology_MagicSense__3039906.html
-Eugene´s Espresso V3 Port: http://www.4shared.com/file/194773147/6ec4f2bd/Espresso_v2.html
-Eugene´s Eclair Hero Droid 2.1 V.3.1: http://www.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=eugene373/ROM/&file=Hero3.1_T_E.zip
-eVIL´S SenSe v2.0.1: http://www.4shared.com/account/file/148581499/32de2e8/eViL_SenSe_v201.html
-Herver´s v1.1r5: http://www.4shared.com/file/145485438/ab2c1fc6/Hero_Over_Universal_v1.html
-Maxisma´s 2.0.1: http://www.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=maxisma/ROM/&file=sense.zip
-Reignzone´s RZR v1.2 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DXK18V8M
-ttran001´s OTPA Sense UI 4 Magic v.3.0: http://www.4shared.com/file/161604737/4abb12cf/OTPAv30.html
-Drizzy´s Champion V2: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?5cmw5ntjh0y
-MLIGN´s HeroV3.1.1: http://www.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=mlign/ROM/&file=MLIGN-HeroV3.1.1.zip
-KiNgxKxlick Espresso2G1 v1.2: http://rapidshare.com/files/338302881/KiNgxKxlick-Espresso2G1-v1.2_signed.zip
-KiNgxKxKlair Eclair Hero Version 1.0 "Official Release": http://www.4shared.com/file/203805954/65bdeb87/KiNgxKxKlair-Hero-Eclair-v10_s.html
-tmack23& adewey234´s MYHEROrevolution v.2: http://www.deweymetalfab.com/misc/android/signed-MHR-Test.zip?
I would've said this was the wrong place for this but it's actually pretty helpful. I didn't notice it in the dream section. Seems that's the only place 32b magic users find most roms.
Thanks for the heads up justclimb, flashing right now just to try it out. Wifi's a bummer. I use that ALOT.
Update: Wifi seems to be working on it. It's a little sluggish though, i'm going to reflash with the proper partitions.
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I´m new posting here, but I´d been searching for a while in this forum for a Sense Rom that makes me forget enomther´s 1.6 Rom (the one I revert back after being tired of FC´s and Home Loads of the latest Sense Rom) and i´d finally found the (almost) perfect 32B Rom.
The curiosity is that I found it not in this but on Dream´s Dev Forum...and guess what...? it´s based on one Rom from here: one from Eugene!
[ROM] Sense Revolution v.2.2:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579674
The Good News: I´d installed this Rom with just one partition (fat32 of course)= Fastest ever Sense xperience you´ll ever enjoy+ no FC+ NO HOME LOADS.
Th Bad News: some typical problems with Bluetooth, Wifi, G-Sensors and Graphics errors when gaming (Speedforge and Head to Head Racing) due to being a G1-built Rom.
I´m actually testing Qtek´s latest Rom and like all others I´m tired of home loads, multiple partitions, swapiness and all that non native crap. Until someone turns this great Revolution Rom into something "magical" I´ll stick to Qtek´s deleting the Sense Apk preferences and pressing home...
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well i think this is a good poll my vote is hero_over it's very stable and super fast and no lag in the homescreen you need a swap and ext but thats is no problem with the new amon recovery ;-) and the best thing is wifi g-sensor works ;-) i tryed many roms so... this runs best for me
If only ttran001's OTPA Sense UI ROM was here i would vote for that.
I've been using it for 4 weeks now and its the smoothest thing i've ever tried
have any one tried the rom by maxima
as the guys at the unlockr recommend it as the best ROM
It is the best, right after ttran001's ROM.
Maxisma's got the kernel problem with SOME! people being able to use the ROM and some people not.
ttran001 had that problem too, but he fixed it by a reverting patch to another kernel.
SO how does Trojan Final Hero stack up against the roms of ttrann001 and maxima's?
Ive got the Trojan Final Hero rom installed, almost never had the loading screen but every app i launch does take two seconds or so to actually boot up, you click, screen goes black for a few secs and i see the app. However ive not had a homescreen reload yet. I do have to use 128mb swap to prevent that tho.
Since some chefs had sadly abandoned this forum...
I´ve just added some links to their newest work.
I also wanted to add after i saw you linked eugene's old rom, that SuperMagic is one of the BEST roms i've ever tried. i liked it better than trojan rom!
It doesn't have the regular sense ui rosie but it's very solid and pretty snappy. My only problem was every now and then getting loading screens, i believe it was because i was using 32mb swap. I'm probably going to restore my nandroid backup and try that out again!
Currently trying qtek's and loving it!
It's a close call between eugene's and qtek's. very close.
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I also wanted to add after i saw you linked eugene's old rom, that SuperMagic is one of the BEST roms i've ever tried. i liked it better than trojan rom!
It doesn't have the regular sense ui rosie but it's very solid and pretty snappy. My only problem was every now and then getting loading screens, i believe it was because i was using 32mb swap. I'm probably going to restore my nandroid backup and try that out again!
Currently trying qtek's and loving it!
It's a close call between eugene's and qtek's. very close.
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Take a look at hero_over´s...it´s actually one of the smoothest out there, and better than any from eugene.
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Take a look at hero_over´s...it´s actually one of the smoothest out there, and better than any from eugene.
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I did. Think i don't like about it is it took a great deal of time to open apps/settings/widgets. that's my gripe with most hero roms, the wait time on answering the phone, opening up a map when i need it open and flipping through multiple settings.
Hero over's nice, but supermagic just stomped it when it came to snappyness in between different apps and things of that sort.
Maybe i did something wrong in the settings, i'll probably give it a try. I've tried alot of roms, it's possible i might've made a setup mistake.
Devs had both jumped out or stopped their work on 32B SenseRoms...
One thing amazes me: Why on the Hell doesn´t HTC put a Donut or Eclair Update into their 32a Magics?
Since it all keeps the same, no one seems to relaunch the dev-party...
mlign's 3.1.1 is the best so far, gotta give the kid some serious respect. that rom is the truth
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mlign's 3.1.1 is the best so far, gotta give the kid some serious respect. that rom is the truth
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I might be wrong about hero_over´s ROM, but I first abandoned it due to battery problems, and afterwards I return to it after some positive comments and noticed that the very same problems kept going. Then I tried pulling some widgets out of my home screen, and now battery lasts for two days of normal use: Music Widget was the cause.
Arguably the fastest and balanced Sense Rom out there, Mlign´s 3.0 was my last try, nothing kept my attention.
I´ll take it for a round...
Poll battle is a fierce one on the top
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what is the rom more quick ?
I have the Qteknology rom but is not quick
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what is the rom more quick ?
I have the Qteknology rom but is not quick
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Qtek´s is the most reliable, the latest 2.2 version lacks swap management, wait a little for Qtek´s work to finished and you´ll had the fastest Rom in there:
Until then I keep using Herver´s, and appart from a few battery nightmares, the rom is reasonably fast, so it´s easely recomendable.
Not sure it should be some kind of competition, but if it is about giving a shout out to a dev's ROM that has really impressed then I've got to say;
Hero_over
I've had this ROM on my phone since last friday and I haven't had a FC, home restart or noticeable slow down even yet! No other Hero ROM has given me that, nor have I been able to keep any other Hero ROM on the phone for more than a couple of days. I tried multiple different Hero ROMs but day-to-day useability just wasn't there if I was being honest with myself. I gave up on Hero on the 32b and went to CM, I used his and upgraded right up to the latest 4.2.5 with Enoch as a theme. That ROM is seriously fast, yet Hero_over hasn't suffered in comparison. A friend has a Hero and we couldn't see any difference in use, can't say fairer than that.
The only thing I haven't got working is BT, but I haven't tried a headset and I haven't really investigated any soultions in the thread as I don't use BT.
I switch between different sense ui ROM. Now, I found a ROM made for G1 but also compatible with MT3G. It runs smoothly on my 32B device.
You guys might want to try it.
[ROM] SenseHERO-v1.3.3 - 2.6.29.6 "Themed & Fast" mytouch/dream 11/08/09
Elton.Tsai said:
I switch between different sense ui ROM. Now, I found a ROM made for G1 but also compatible with MT3G. It runs smoothly on my 32B device.
You guys might want to try it.
[ROM] SenseHERO-v1.3.3 - 2.6.29.6 "Themed & Fast" mytouch/dream 11/08/09
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That´s a good ROM based on Drizzy´s...yet you should know that Vodafone 32b´s have some isues with graphics as well as some unspected reboots.
PD: I´m downloading Qtek´s latest version 2.3: Link updated.
How come ttran001's newest rom is not in this list? I think it's an awesome rom. Incredibly stable, pretty snappy, and it's just as good as Qtek's in my opinion. It should be updated.
Hi,
I am currently running CM6-RC3 on my G1. I am fed up with the slowness of the phone and I want to go to a fast OS, though I am spoilt rotten by some of the Froyo features. However, I think a fast ROM is still my prio.
First step is to get a Class 6 card and I have ordered an 8gig one from ebay. Should get that in a couple of days.
The second step of course is the ROM itself. Currently I have shortlisted SuperD 1.11 and SuperFroyo 2.6 Lite based on the reviews that I have read on the forum.
Firstly, if anyone has used these two ROMs, or can give me a comparative opinion of these two, then it would make my choice all the more easy. Is the SuperD really that that fast as compared to SuperFroyo that I should willingly sacrifice some Froyo functionality?
Also, how do I flash either of the ROMs? As I said, I have CM6 and AmonRa 1.7.0 Recovery. Now SuperD goes on about installing a legal base ROM and DRC83 (which itself has some new and updated versions in many threads) and then installing SuperD 1.11 itself. But coming from CM, is that necessary, or is it dangerous, or in short what am I supposed to do?
Similarly, if I have to flash SuperFroyo, should I do any preparations or just wipe and flash from the recovery?
The tough thing is that CM is so so so well documented that the other ROMs seem stark compared to that. I already have bricked a phone during the JF ROM era, so I don't want to screw up the one which is currently working. Any sort of detailed help, or pointers to other thread would be most helpful. I have been searching the forum and have not found anything that clarifies my doubts.
TIA.
I'm interested in the answers to your questions too. I've tried to improve speed and responsiveness by using many of the tricks posted in various threads but for daily usage the lags and the battery life are still not acceptable for me (though I like many of the Froyo features).
Having said that - you might want to check out the last pages of this thread [FAST][STABLE]SpeedTeam Froyo [v3.1.1][OFFICIAL RELEASE][8/23/10]
XxKOLOHExX is developing a 1.6-ROM with as many Froyo-Features as possible while retaining the speed, responsivness and stability of Donut. I'm very much looking forward to that ROM.
Having said that - you might want to check out the last pages of this thread [FAST][STABLE]SpeedTeam Froyo [v3.1.1][OFFICIAL RELEASE][8/23/10]
XxKOLOHExX is developing a 1.6-ROM with as many Froyo-Features as possible while retaining the speed, responsivness and stability of Donut. I'm very much looking forward to that ROM.
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did he say when about hed be done? or did he just start on the donut rom?
I am currently running CM6-RC3 on my G1. I am fed up with the slowness of the phone and I want to go to a fast OS, though I am spoilt rotten by some of the Froyo features. However, I think a fast ROM is still my prio.
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the final cyanogenmod v6 is really fast and stable. ive been running it since it was uploaded and havent had any problem at all.. kinda weird lol im used to some kind of force close or reboots but so far this rom seems really stable, you should try it out.
You might want to figure out why cm6 is so slow for you. Its probably the user, not the rom. I'm not a cyan groupie but this is by far the fastest rom I've used...and I've tried A LOT of different roms.
Sent from my jitterbug
staunty said:
You might want to figure out why cm6 is so slow for you. Its probably the user, not the rom. I'm not a cyan groupie but this is by far the fastest rom I've used...and I've tried A LOT of different roms.
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Really?, and you using it on a G1? CM5 was quite fast until ADW crashed on me and I had to reflash - decided to flash CM6 at that time. What are your SD partitions, if any? I am running it plain with only one large FAT32 partition.
I am a heavy texter. On Hero ROMs, it takes about 500-600 text's to start FC's and loading screens. On Froyo, I don't know how, but it took 200-300...Im on Super E right now and I can say I'm pleased. I'm at 1,902 Texts right now and its running ill say 90% of how fast it was when I just flashed it.
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Really?, and you using it on a G1? CM5 was quite fast until ADW crashed on me and I had to reflash - decided to flash CM6 at that time. What are your SD partitions, if any? I am running it plain with only one large FAT32 partition.
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Everyone has their personal preference with regard to swap or no swap, compcache, jit, etc. I have no clue what works best even on my own phone (mt3g). But to let you know, I have a 32 MB swap partition, 512 ext 3 or 4 (can't remember, I think its ext4) and the rest FAT32.
donut/1.6? super d
eclair/2.1? super e
froyo/2.2? super f (not completed yet)
theyre all based off CM
geekoo said:
Hi,
I am currently running CM6-RC3 on my G1. I am fed up with the slowness of the phone and I want to go to a fast OS, though I am spoilt rotten by some of the Froyo features. However, I think a fast ROM is still my prio.
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I felt the same way. I've went back to CM4 and CM5 trying to find the right balance. I am now back on CM6 latest and I think I may have found the key to making my phone perform well.
Swap. On a G1 with Froyo it seems that swap is a must. Once I enabled swap my market issues (would return to home at random, especially when searching) and other weird issues went away (shortcuts to URLs wouldn't open he URL but just my homepage). Try swap before you completely bail out of CM6. Even running swap on FAT showed a lot of improvement. I have noticed though that after a couple of days my phone starts acting funny so I turn swap off (swapoff command from terminal) and then back on and things clear up.
Of course this is all my common observation but I really think swap changed CM6 on my G1 from too slow for everyday use to the best ROM there is. I really think with the extra RAM needed for Froyo there just isn't enough left for simple apps (market, browser, etc) to function correctly.
Matt
Super D 1.11 (aka 1.10.4) is quality and I'm so happily suprised at how fast it is
I had forgotten what it was like to own a phone that just well worked without hassle of lose of functionality. As pretty as Eclair and Froyo are they simply can't match a good donut.
Give it a try and use the Setup Up Guide for Donut in my sig a look, it was designed around Super D
shadowch31 said:
Super D 1.11 (aka 1.10.4) is quality and I'm so happily suprised at how fast it is
I had forgotten what it was like to own a phone that just well worked without hassle of lose of functionality. As pretty as Eclair and Froyo are they simply can't match a good donut.
Give it a try and use the Setup Up Guide for Donut in my sig a look, it was designed around Super D
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i just went to Super-E cause all of the froyos are too slow for my taste and all seem to be based on CM6 so what's the point? Plus one of my fav devs, Ben isnt working on SuperF atm so im kind of sad about that. His was my fav but its discontinued . The battery on it is good and speed, not as quick on its feet as donut but gets the job done, plus still has some newer features.