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Wiki redesign

hey guys,
I'm a regular on the HTC tytn part of this board and have been quite active in updating the wiki and making it functional.
I thought i'd wonder over to this board and took a look at the wiki and have to admit, was sort of shocked. it's one enormous page that's not very intuitive!
I'm going to shift around some stuff to make the wiki for your device easier to browse and navigate, would love for you guys to help out with this venture!
I've started with this:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=wizard_WM_6
WM6 definitely deserves a page of its own, complete with download links, links to threads etc. it does not deserve to be in the middle of some enormous page where most people can't even see it! it's linked back to the main wiki page under the contents page, which is easier to follow.
suggestions welcome, and please help in overhauling the poor state of the wizard's wiki!!
cheers

I don't know about others here in this forum, but I think you're doing us all a huge favor. Good start on the Wizard WM6 material so far.

Hi!
Ofcourse great job. I've learn from this site
I need to suggest to put some information about Not Big Deal 5.1.
I think, this rom is realy good. Realy. Not many ppl use it, but almost all of my friends that tried this rom, confirmed, that it's very ok.

You should probably rename the page to reflect the device it is for. The current name implicates it is a general WM6 page - which is not in fact.

Chatty said:
You should probably rename the page to reflect the device it is for. The current name implicates it is a general WM6 page - which is not in fact.
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awesome suggestion, silly of me. i've renamed the page to wizard_wm_6

I've updated the Wiki (Thanks for setting this up) with information and download links to my Crossbow Released rom.
Also I would like to make an observation... I disagree with the description of The Core, in that it says this is the best rom for Newbies (or thats how I read it)... Since this is a Clean / "core" rom, I don't know that I would call this a good general starting rom for someone new. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying The Core 2.0 isn't good, I'm just saying the claim that its the best rom for newbies is maybe misleading as many newbies want more than just a base rom. XPlore 1.1 (IMO) is actually a better rom for someone just starting out as it comes with some apps in it. Then Wizard Mobile 6 Business Edition is very nice with the set of apps in it too... Its just all of the roms have strengths and weaknesses, so to me calling a single rom the best for Newbies may be misleading. Let them choose what fits for them (or setup some type of Matrix to compare the roms).
BTW: This isn't criticism of this new WiKi page at all? I just wanting to provide feedback so this can become a valuable resource for the Wizard community (and I really appreciate you starting this project for us. Now I need to get back to working on the WM6 Cooking wiki pages I was setting up)

mfrazzz - good point. there should be no "favouring" of roms, it should be up to the end user to decide.
I've removed the whole best rom bit. let the person choose themselves

Possible new website. Checking for interest.

These forums are great but I was wondering if anyone would be interested in a website for mainly wm5 and wm6 devices. I'll just list a few things I'd like to have on it and hopefully get enough good feedback and ideas that will inspire me to actually design the website.
- Overview of roms for various devices. Including user reviews, screenshots, and some detailed stats on the roms such as memory after a fresh flash. (will probably need help getting those numbers as I don't have access to all the phones)
- Downloads for roms (only if uploaded by the author) otherwise, links to the respective threads here.
- Downloads, reviews, screenshots, ect of popular software. Mostly freeware.
- Guides on things such as skinning programs like S2U2, rlToday, Wisbar, ect
- Skinning sections, upload/download skins for above. Ratings ect.
- Icon packs? If anyone wants to create and upload their own icons to share?
I'm only going to have more ideas as I begin this project but I imagine that I may need some help. Also, I would like to do as much as possible with the developers and with their permission.
No actual work has been started yet. Just been thinking it would be nice to have all of this on one website or at least organized information and links all in one place.

XDA THE BEST!!!!
I run a site personally, www.PocketPC-Live.com but the strength of inteligent people here who cook ROMs, release many small and usefull utilities make this place the best!
Regards,
Carty..

Chef-friendly ROM?

Hi all,
This topic is particularly directed towards ROM chefs, although anyone who has an answer pertaining to it by all means should participate.
I would like to create a chef-friendly ROM, like Laurentius' released a while back. The reason for this would be that I would have my base if I ever managed to mess it up, and I could share my bases with this wonderful community.
I've heard that the .rgus and .dsms must be included, but do not have a clue how to do this.
Any help?
thanks guys

Yes, i would like to participate.
In the diamond forums i posted some sort of question also, about why the current roms are locked down.
Some guys say that is for space en free memory reasons, but why do i see the message "Go build your own rom" in allmost every rom when i dump it?
I don't intend to steal, and if i get a package out of someones rom i'll ask it first.
I'd like to see a more open forum(like the good old days) not that every dev is hiding their findings.
So i'm in for it!
Gr. bram

bram_smulders said:
Yes, i would like to participate.
In the diamond forums i posted some sort of question also, about why the current roms are locked down.
Some guys say that is for space en free memory reasons, but why do i see the message "Go build your own rom" in allmost every rom when i dump it?
I don't intend to steal, and if i get a package out of someones rom i'll ask it first.
I'd like to see a more open forum(like the good old days) not that every dev is hiding their findings.
So i'm in for it!
Gr. bram
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precisely,
thanks for the support

sorry for the bump you guys, but is there anyone here that knows how to do this?

Send a PM to Its Right. He makes the TNT roms. He resides mostly in the hermes and wizard forums. He knows the answer to your question.
I totally agree with what your doing. I remember the good old days when packages and roms were shared freely. My kitchen is so far out of date its sad.
I would love to see a nice happy base. I would also love to see a new set of packages available.

I wouldn't mind participating in this "project" at all. I would love to share my base and even make OEMs if needed. Perhaps we can make a huge list of most commonly used OEMs (latest version) and split them among the chefs who would like to participate in this.

I honestly think a collection of OEMs is long overdue. I have a few newer packages that I would gladly contribute. I have been working on a new rom which will be the first one ive publically released.

my roms are always dumpable
look at the new manila2d roms they were looked but we managed to get everything out of it anyway just took us alot more time to get it the realy nesasary.
and by removing the rgu and dsm files you free maybe areound 1 mb prob less.
ok the windowsfolder loads faster but how often are we looking in the windows folder? I rarely do.

I only look there when i have to edit stuff like the start menu and i actually tend to test the speed of a ROM by going there and seeing how fast it loads. Anyhow, it opens up a lot faster in Reso Explorer since it omits system, rom, etc. files.

kareem9nba said:
I wouldn't mind participating in this "project" at all. I would love to share my base and even make OEMs if needed. Perhaps we can make a huge list of most commonly used OEMs (latest version) and split them among the chefs who would like to participate in this.
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Great idea.
I would go step further - common web place for all OEMs (bases etc) where everyone could contribute to and dnld from.

I think we should make a kitchen pantry, just like in the wizard forums.
A place where we enlist bases, oems, cabs, tweaks, and cooking tricks.
A place where users can post their oems to rapidshare or whatever, and post the links here.
Then the mods or threadstarters post those links with info on the first page.
idea?
lets work it out.
I'll setup the base thread within a short hour.
so keep in touch
gr. bram

I have had this feeling since I bought the Kaiser over a year ago. It seems like all the main chefs on here for some reason do not want anyone to open their ROM up and look.
I am completely in on assisting in making OEM's. I would be happy to upload all my packages if someone has a place for them.
Count me in on this....

I have a ton of space left on my 4 share account. Once I get home from work today Ill open a public folder so anyone can upload to it. That way anyone that dosent have a place to put files can use it. I will also upload my packages to it.
Ill post links to my OEMs in Brams thread after work as well

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I have a ton of space left on my 4 share account. Once I get home from work today Ill open a public folder so anyone can upload to it. That way anyone that dosent have a place to put files can use it. I will also upload my packages to it.
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ooh, I've got a TON of packages I'll upload for you guys!

mbarvian said:
ooh, I've got a TON of packages I'll upload for you guys!
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Folder is created.
OEM Packages Folder
Decided to do it real quick from the office. The folder should be public with 4.5 gb of space to fill. If we should by chance run low on space I will gladly upgrade. Send me a PM if there are any issues with upload. I will link all of the packages to Brams Thread once I get home tonight if they arent linked already.

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ooh, I've got a TON of packages I'll upload for you guys!
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And i've got a TON of time to enlist all you packs, haha, we have TONs of fun with this ****
BTW, heres my link to the pantry thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=426712
REAd first, don post stupid questions, and keep it clean guys!
gr. bram

Is there any benefit to putting upgradeable files in a rom?

What I mean is, it seems to me that it would be more efficient to put any/all files that may be upgraded as packages and instead of flashing cooked roms, we could flash a generic rom and uninstall old/reinstall new packages
Am I making sense to anyone?

I understand you
I believe this is part of what chefs who create "lite" or "unbloated" or "clean" or "naked" (in Garmin's ROMs) are trying to achieve.
I personally like the idea, and hope we see more of them.
My personal favorite ROM of all time was the very first Hyperdragon III

mbarvian said:
I understand you
I believe this is part of what chefs who create "lite" or "unbloated" or "clean" or "naked" (in Garmin's ROMs) are trying to achieve.
I personally like the idea, and hope we see more of them.
My personal favorite ROM of all time was the very first Hyperdragon III
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Up until recently the problem has been that cooks either created loaded ROMs with tons of stuff added to them, or lite ROMs, where they stripped this out.
The issue was however that it is quite easy to strip things out of a ROM. Making CAB packages out of those stripped out files however can be one of the more time consuming tasks and cooks didn't always offer those packages. In addition, CABs which were made available from other sources weren't always packaged in entirety and wouldn't always install.
Cooks have been getting better at this recently however. My new set of ROMS follows these concepts precisely:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429117

I have been calling and advocating for this too basically since the dawn of UC
Previously I didn't post much under different nick, but I have "put up together" this concept in THIS thread finally, albeit with somewhat misleading "temporary" title, but it is good discussion if anyone is interested.
Granted, few apps have to be cooked-in in order to function properly, but those are really just very few. But as you can read there, most objections against this kind of "real lite" ROMs (where any "upgraedable apps" are NOT cooked-in) come from people who don't understand it, or don't know much about UC or Sashimi (BTW I'm for UC rather than Sashimi because UC is much easier for any newbies), or just don't know/have no clue how it works and are affraid it would make troubles to them if they don't have the same apps cooked-in.
Perhaps any of you could add your input there, since there isn't much sense in starting new thread about basically same thing.
Bengalih, I will test your ROMs with pleasure when I have bit m,ore time (or actually a second Kaiser would be great ).
But I can already give you my sincere congratulations now if you have created such ROMs
I have made ROM based on hang.tuah's ROMeOS (it was going to be an update, but ended in another ROM, LOL - not quite "lite" as I would want it, but I can't change the things that were "always there" now ). I try to steer its users into UC and use "extended packs" for things like dialers, comm managers etc. They'll have best proof that "cooked-in" is *worse* than "installed" soon, when they will have i.e. choice of Opal or Kaiser dialer in the extended pack - which obviously would be impossible if the dialer was cooked-in in the ROM...

@bengalih: your post is what got me to thinking about this again
I'm happy to see that you others share my attitude towards efficiency
I have not completely read thru both of your threads but I suppose what needs to be done is to create a universal standard
The way I see it, this type of system would be beneficial to cooks and end users alike. End users need a minimal variety of options to install these collections and a minimal variety of each basic rom release to install the collections to. Cooks need a simple system to adhere to that requires no more work to put together their collections than the current amount of work they do to create their roms.
Here is a sample proposal (what I'm thinking right now with a minimal knowledge of rom cooking )
A base rom of each flavor could be made available to download. By each flavor, I mean a different rom with each combination of files that must be cooked in to work. I haven't read anything like that before so if there are more than a couple combinations then no more than 4-5 with typcal combinations should be considered.
I need to do some reasearch to learn what benefits and/or caveats are associated with UC and Sashimi. I suppose cooks should be the ones to decide whether to make their collection(s) combatible one installer or the other.

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@bengalih: your post is what got me to thinking about this again
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In the future it might just be best to post in the thread about this then. As a topic that has been tread over several times putting additional input into an existing thread would be more effective.
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I have not completely read thru both of your threads but I suppose what needs to be done is to create a universal standard
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Perhaps you should read through the threads that are already out there before staring a new one that re-hashes the same information.
selyb said:
The way I see it, this type of system would be beneficial to cooks and end users alike. End users need a minimal variety of options to install these collections and a minimal variety of each basic rom release to install the collections to. Cooks need a simple system to adhere to that requires no more work to put together their collections than the current amount of work they do to create their roms.
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Good luck trying to get cooks to follow anything you propose. Not that it might not be a brilliant idea, but cooks are going to do their own thing. I decided to take matters into my own hands and cook my own ROMs according to the principles I thought best. I put the ROMs and my principles out there in hopes others will adopt them, but that's the best you can do...
selyb said:
A base rom of each flavor could be made available to download. By each flavor, I mean a different rom with each combination of files that must be cooked in to work. I haven't read anything like that before so if there are more than a couple combinations then no more than 4-5 with typcal combinations should be considered.
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Again, pretty much what I have done already with the HTC and AT&T official 6.1 releases. A base ROM for each with a set of CAB file to customize to your desires.
selyb said:
I need to do some reasearch to learn what benefits and/or caveats are associated with UC and Sashimi. I suppose cooks should be the ones to decide whether to make their collection(s) combatible one installer or the other.
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No offense, because I realize I am coming off a bit gruff in this post, but you do need to do alot of research. I agree with alot of what you are saying, but it has been said before (by myself and others). Also, there is no reason that a collection of CAB files wouldn't work with SASHIMI instead of UC or vice-versa. To your own admission, you don't understand how these installers work, but when you do your research you'll see that in essence they are both just installing CAB and XML files (and with SASHIMI the capability for much more).
Again, please don't take anything here as a personal attack. I can see that you are coming off of inspiration from my posts and I don't disagree with your basic ideas. However you will get better reception from all if you do these things:
1) Research what is out there before posting so you don't retread old ground.
2) Don't just "propose" ideas, put them into action. Even the best ideas are unlikely to be adopted unless you put effort into implementing them youself.
I say these to you for your own protection before someone not as nice as me begins to bash you for not doing research

Ok, well, I will quit posting to this thread before someone not so nice does come along.

selyb said:
Ok, well, I will quit posting to this thread before someone not so nice does come along.
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Heh... well seriously, take some time and learn more of what is currently out there and see where it is lacking.
I generally invite user feedback on my development projects. If you go back through the older threads, and take a look at what I am trying to do with my BRR ROMs, please feel free to comment in there about what additionally you would like to see and why.
Trust me, I very much welcome an open debate about what would be an effective way to do things. I just wanted to burst your bubble a little bit (seeing as you are a newer member) that your aspirations, although maybe valid, are most likely not going to get implemented by a majority of the cooks throughout the site.
I don't mean to shut down your thread, and you should continue posting if you see it as the best place to do so. I just feel that if you contribute to some existing projects that already have momentum then your ideas are more likely to get some attention.

All right, I want to start making themes

OK ppl, I've decided to work designing themes for our X10's.
I've searching and reading how to do this. Got some experience (and good taste ) creating themes, as I created some in the past for SE phones (using tools like SE themes creator and Photoshop). Of course when is Android things change, so let's say Im new in this.
Im not a professional designer but I think I could create some good stuff. BTW, I've decided to make themes for xRecovery just like SEMPITERNAL does because I found that more suitable.
So, Im asking for the necessary tools for this, tutorials, advices, etc, and when the themes I create are ready I'd ask for help of some beta testers in newest build ROM versions 'cause I run .054 and I won't update for now.
Thanks

See the sticky at the top of the board.

if you're lost.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=834806

Thanks ppl, I'll read

it better be something special

Tehouster said:
it better be something special
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As soon as I learn how to (and when I have time out of my job and my musician career...), I'll promise I'll do something good