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is it me or did the keyboard and touch screen work better with the 8525?
sometimes, i have to tap a couple times on the same spot to get it to work with the tilt.
and sometimes the keyboard skips a few letters when i'm typing.
It's both ^^. I had the same problem, when changing from a Wizard to the Kaiser. But i am getting used to the "Pressure Point" and the problems are getting less with skipped characters.
It's like getting used to a cupler of a new car. ^^
i had the same problem, I liked the 8525 better... only thing I kept the Kaiser is the built-in GPS, I didn't like the idea of carrying GPS device with me all the time when I had the 8525
8125 - 8525 - Tilt
Had all three like the tilt the best. Gps, style, etc... very slick looking ppc, best overall in my opinion. Also you have to remember the kaiser is still somewhat new still. Once the chefs really figure everything out I believe it will be even better. Just my .02.
it seems that different roms also give different sensitivities somehow too, but i never noticed it skipping the keyboard characters
The keyboard in the Kaiser feels cramped and I usually catch myself pressing the wrong key! Yeah, Hermes keyboard definitely felt better - to me at least!
cool. thanks. nice to know i didnt get a broken phone. i like this phone better than the 8525 except for the no light and the screen facing the other way when sliding the keyboard.
When just considering the actual typing comparison, the 8525 keyboard for me was miles ahead of the tilt's in my opinion. The buttons are difficult to differentiate to me. I too experience skipped keys and also, my space key has serious lag. If I want to type "I am on my way" If I am not careful what will be put out is "Ia mo nm yw ay" as you can imagine this is VERY annoying...but I did notice that on Custel's AT&T rom's v2.1 this very rarely happened. So who knows, I dont have any issues with the screen. Besides the keyboard, I can't complain on anything else phone related.
Screen Sensitivity !
to increase the screen sensitivity of your Kaiser / HTC TytnII / AT&T Tilt (8925), go to RegEdit and do the following:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>Drivers>TouchPanel>PressureThre shold
modify to 210 or more (modify the DWORD Data field).
Enjoy a more sensitive touch pad.
Re-aligning your screen also adjusts the sensitivity Start->System->Screen. That is a better way to adjust the sensitivity than editing registry...
The missing letters issue can be improved from Start->Personal->Buttons->Up/Down control.
Set them faster…
if the 8525 had the same built in memory and ram and built in gps.. it'd be my dream ppc
MistaRip said:
is it me or did the keyboard and touch screen work better with the 8525?
sometimes, i have to tap a couple times on the same spot to get it to work with the tilt.
and sometimes the keyboard skips a few letters when i'm typing.
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yeah the keyboard on the hermes is much better! Real buttons! On the tytn 2 the buttons are strange...!
I have the same opinion about the keyboard. I like the keyboard of the 8525 better than the Tilt. I don't know why but for some reason when i would use the keyboard on the 8525 i could just keep typing and then the unit would catch up to me. When i type on the tilt i have to watch it to make sure it is typing everything i put in.
As for the screen i haven't had an problems yet.
But i will say if it were up to me i would still choose the tilt over the 8525. the batt life is better, th egps, the speed, the storage, etc. etc. etc.
8525 to Tilt
8525 had better keyboard hands down. I do like the feature on the tilt's keyboard though that when u have cap shift/fn enabled a light is on so you know instead of having to look on the screen on the 8525 to see whats goin on. i love how when u slide the tilt open and close it almost slides on its own. The tilt feels more stable, the 8525 felt cheap like if i dropped it once its all over. Love the rubber back on the tilt and gps. With roms at 32 mgpp running on the tilt compared to an 8525 that can barely handle 6mgpp, its gonna be limitless when the chefs get the tilt dialed in and looks like Dutty is doin that as we speak. Tilt has some getting used to but much better than 8525 overall, especailly when its free, haha!!!
best feature so far on the Tilt, it's heavy & has steel. Great weapon for self defend sometimes.
the keyboard on mine doesnt seem responsive like the hermes.
I agree on the typing issue. I think it has something to do with their texture. I also miss spaces and double type letters and hit the ones next to the one i mean. On my 8525 my fingers just glided along the keyboard.
As for the way the screen opens, I don't mind it, i just liked on the 8525 how i could reach the stylus with my right pointer finger.
asfoor said:
to increase the screen sensitivity of your Kaiser / HTC TytnII / AT&T Tilt (8925), go to RegEdit and do the following:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>Drivers>TouchPanel>PressureThre shold
modify to 210 or more (modify the DWORD Data field).
Enjoy a more sensitive touch pad.
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thanks. do u know what it was set to in the hermes (8525)?
lifesaflaw123 said:
i just liked on the 8525 how i could reach the stylus with my right pointer finger.
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yes, i hate that i can't use my right pointer finger anymore. it's very annoying but i guess i'll get used to it.
I agree about the keyboard. I thought perhaps I had a defective one, but it is behaving the same as yours.
I went from a Tytn to a Tilt and I have to say that the Tilt is heads and shoulders above the Tytn design.
The Tytn felt plastic-y and cheap in the hand. Moving parts felt creaky and overall build quality was poor.
I'm not sure if the 8525 suffered from these issues but from the looks of it the Kaiser design was taken from the 8525 versus the Tytn.
The Kaiser/Tilt D-pad cluster is clearly descended from the sculpted 8525 design rather than the flat (and almost unusable) Tytn version.
Things better on the Kaiser (other than the obvious things like GPS and tilt screen):
-keyboard sliding mechanism (springs closed if you accidentally open it but keeps open if you actually intended to open it)
-build quality
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while heavier, it has a much better feel in the hand probably helped by the rubberised backplate.
-a few mm thinner seems to make all the difference with the pocketability of the device.
-single piece stylus. Every telescoping stylus I've used has fallen apart or eventually stopped working the way it was supposed to (Toshiba e800 had one as well -- ugh).
-better access to SIM card.
-one form factor for all carriers and regions. The two case designs (Herm 100 vs 200) created a huge problem with case makers assuming the Tytn and the 8525 were exactly the same. A Tilt case will work on a Kaiser and vice versa.
Things better on the Hermes:
-has LED flash (sorely missing on the Kaiser)
-has IRDA port
-better placement of softkey buttons (both on the front cluster and on the keyboard)
-soft reset switch is FAR more responsive on the Hermes, and it's not placed near the mini USB port. The Kaiser has them too close together and it's very easy to jam the stylus into the port and damage it.
-better position for the card slot, and it never needed a door. The impossible-to-open-without-tweezers door on the Kaiser slot is the one flaw in a nearly perfect case design.
-better hard button feel. The Kaiser power button took me a long time to get used to as it sits too flush with the case. Kaiser buttons don't have a tactile click when you push them. Also the Hermes has one extra button over the Kaiser (the Comm manager button).
Where the Kaiser and the Hermes both fail:
-Stylus silo on the BOTTOM. UGH UGH UGH Once that silo gets worked in you will be losing stylii like no tomorrow. The Kaisier silo seems a little better, but it's still a potential lost stylus if you aren't careful.
asfoor said:
to increase the screen sensitivity of your Kaiser / HTC TytnII / AT&T Tilt (8925), go to RegEdit and do the following:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE>Drivers>TouchPanel>PressureThre shold
modify to 210 or more (modify the DWORD Data field).
Enjoy a more sensitive touch pad.
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Hi:
Is there a maximum value this can be set at, and if so, what is it?
Thanks!
Hey is anyone elses GTab's touch sensitivity kind of off?
I noticed, compared to the iPad and Galaxy Tab, some times it takes me 2-4x of tryinng to press something to get it going.
Its almost like the screen cant pick it up sometimes. And sometimes when scrolling, it selects things, when im just Trying to scroll..
Also the top left HOME button on screen is always iffy, most times ill need 2-4 more times 2 press it to get it going.
I am using TNT 2.2.
Anyone else noticed this? i feel like its hardware.
Definetely not as responsive as my EVO. Maybe its the cheap screen. I wish it could be fixed via software, but fat chance. I guess not all capacitive screens are created equal.
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Definetely not as responsive as my EVO. Maybe its the cheap screen. I wish it could be fixed via software, but fat chance. I guess not all capacitive screens are created equal.
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You nailed it. IMO Samsung has been making the best color screens for years.
Have had absolutely no problems with touchpad responsiveness from my gTab... Just as sensitive and responsive as my Dinc.
Really does seem like this hardware is hit or miss... Some tabs have no issues some have many.
You guys are just plain spoiled. I've gone through Palm IIIx to now the gTablet, and it just simply has the most responsive touch screen that I've ever used, but I've had recent experience with the dreadful Augen GT and the slightly less dreadful White Pandigital Novel, both of which had worse touch screens than other devices that I've used.
One thing that I do, do for the gTab though is to clean the screen quite a bit. At a minimum I do so before every use as I find the fingerprint/body oils buildup to be annoying in fairly short order and it might have some impact on touch responsiveness. It's the worst fingerprint magnet that I've ever seen actually...
No issues here with single touch sensitivity, pretty good on that. Just as good as my Nexus One. Multitouch and pinch-to-zoom still a bit flaky. I am hopeful that will be resolved by software and/or driver improvements, as it was on the Nexus One.
The only issues I have are when the screen is too dirty or too clean. When I really scrub and clean the glass off entirely, at first it's a bit too "sticky" almost when my finger contacts it - maybe that's because it's winter here in the Northeast and my skin is dry. Once I've used it a bit and it gets some finger grease on it, it works perfectly. But if it gets grit or solid dirt on it, that can definitely interfere with the touch screen too, as with any capacitive screen.
I suspect the optimal thing would be a really good screen protector that's easy to clean and has that smooth finger contact feeling out of the box, like the iPad's glass does, for example, which I think has something to do with the oleophobic coating.
Typing this on my gtablet. The issue for me is the keyboard. There are parts of the screen that are unresoonsive making some letters not get tapped. The A key and l keys in particular. As a result I can't type smoothly or naturally because I will make several errors along the way. This does not happen onky iphone or my wires ipad.
it might bemy rrleason for sending it back as it takes too ongoing totyr correctly and I get tire d of all the corrections.
Well if your using the stock tnt keyboard, it sucks. We can learn from the ipad, with the size of the screen it has huge keys that cover a lot more of the screen then our stock tnt keyboard. I use smart keyboard pro with the key heights set to maximum and it works so much better, like 100x better. Even has voice to text.
Can people check their keyboard? I find that if I type most of the keys they type fine. However, the letter a key seems to only work when pressed offcenter which prevents. From typing properly as I must deliberately slow down and make sure it is correctly typed otherwise I get many errors. Could this be a defect in my screen?
Or is this a ui problem with tnt?
This could be a deal breaker as I misspelled every word if. Has h letter A
Letter A
I have the same problem with the letter A, and sometimes P. Otherwise touch is great
Figured why this tablet is driving me nuts. There are two dead zones on this tablet. Someone please do this test so I can figure out if this is just my tablet or all g tablets.
Download mulitouch vis test. Do rapid light touches in the area where the 'a' key is and delete key are. If I do this test in the middle of the screen it registers every single tap. But in those two areas I can sometimes tap 10 times in a row and not have a single tap register.
If this all g tablets then I think it's going back.
Also is there a keyboard with arrow keys? Trying to place the cursor can be a real pain.
Agreed bout the dead spots. The stock tap n tap western keyboard seems tominimize them due to the angles but if I try another keyboard I miss the a and the return button all the time
Stocklone said:
Figured why this tablet is driving me nuts. There are two dead zones on this tablet. Someone please do this test so I can figure out if this is just my tablet or all g tablets.
Download mulitouch vis test. Do rapid light touches in the area where the 'a' key is and delete key are. If I do this test in the middle of the screen it registers every single tap. But in those two areas I can sometimes tap 10 times in a row and not have a single tap register.
If this all g tablets then I think it's going back.
Also is there a keyboard with arrow keys? Trying to place the cursor can be a real pain.
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Downloaded the app as well because I, too, am having the same screen non-responsiveness issue. Lo and behold the area where the "L" key is is a pretty dead spot. It would register about 40% of the quick taps I did in that area. Is this is a software issue? If so, I can live with it and hope our wonderful devs release a software build that resolves this otherwise, this thing may be going back because it's driving me up the wall!
I do see the occasional missed tap here and there, but no consistent dead areas that I've noticed (the A and L buttons on keyboard seem fine to me).
Multitouch sensitivity is wayyyyy mis-calibrated though - you have to use very heavy finger presses to get multitouch to register. This is some sort of driver or calibration issue that should be easily solved.
I found a binary called TSCalibration in the /system/bin directory on my VEGAn ROM G Tablet. Tried running it from terminal, but it seems to be looking for a calibration.ini file on the SDCard. I'd be willing to bet we could figure out how to fix some of the touchscreen issues with some work, because I suspect they are principally software related.
If your issues with the touchscreen are anything like this...exchange it...
My new one requires very little effort if any at all to get the screen to respond...
However, if you're talking about the once in a while miss of a touch...yes, I agree with cutterjohn....you're spoiled. Return the device asap, so I could pick it up from an outlet...please?
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If your issues with the touchscreen are anything like ...exchange it...
My new one requires very little effort if any at all to get the screen to respond...
However, if you're talking about the once in a while miss of a touch...yes, I agree with cutterjohn....you're spoiled. Return the device asap, so I could pick it up from an outlet...please?
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There is a big difference between these dead spots and the occasional miss. I have no problem with the occasional miss. I just have to adjust to how my finger touches the tablet to get more consistent hits.
There are areas of my tablet that consistently do not behave like the other areas. Does that sound normal to you? I can't have a tablet where anything in the 2 corners is extremely inconsistent. If I have the tablet oriented a certain way the soft-buttons get put into one of the bad corners and that is really frustrating.
I don't think it is how I am holding it because the problem follows the physical corners and it is not relative to my hand. So that rules that out. And I washed my hands and gave the tablet a good cleaning so dirt/grease/grime is not an issue either. It could have been too clean but why only two corners?
I have many weeks to go on my 30 days so I will keep screwing with it to see if I can come up with anything that is a workaround or explains why it is happening. It is insanely fast and it's modding future looks extremely bright with such talented people. If I get fed up enough, I'll exchange it and hopefully get one with a even touch response for the whole screen or simply return it and wait a couple more months for Honeycomb tablets.
RavenII said:
If your issues with the touchscreen are anything like this...exchange it...
My new one requires very little effort if any at all to get the screen to respond...
However, if you're talking about the once in a while miss of a touch...yes, I agree with cutterjohn....you're spoiled. Return the device asap, so I could pick it up from an outlet...please?
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Whoa. That video was pretty bad. While mine is not like that (thank God), I just tried hitting the app drawer key and it only registered after the 13th tap?!?! seriously wtf. While it isn't a "dead zone" per se, that's still pretty bad. There has to be a software fix to recify this issue with the right side of the screen. (my "L" and "delete" button are pretty bad as well).
THAT is a defective product...
I'll do another video to compare with my new one...WITH funky assed salty sweat all over the screen. Works flawlessly...
Is your model that is working well running stock firmware and keyboard?
mine is tent lite and the stock keyboard is ok. It if I try to use the alternative keyboards then I get consistent misses on key presses especially on the letter a.
I'm always tapping *constantly*, like 10-20 times on certain spots around the corners and edges of the screen, I'm about to return mine because of this.. Believe I'm still in the 2 weeks with office depot, will have to go snag the $350 one over at sears and hopefully it will come with a screen protector this time (this one I have didn't come with one, wonder if that has to do with the dead spots)..
I just got my Gtab about a week ago, put some vegan on it and I'm loving it. I just have one issue, and I'm wondering if I got a defective one.
For the most part touch sensitivity is great and I don't mind only having two touch points, but occasionally (30-40% of the time) when I try to pinch and zoom, it doesn't respond at all. I tried the multitouch tester, and it looks like anytime two fingers touch at the same time it struggles to recognize both touches. This is anywhere on the screen, not just two fingers close together. I've tried using the touchscreen fix app but its always the same.
Is my unit bad, or is this how the Gtablet always behaves? If it is, its not the end of the world, but I'd like to know before my exchange period is over.
I have found that if you are going perfectly horizontal in landscape mode, or vertical in portrait mode, the device struggles to pick up the multi-touch, however it works great in any other angle. discovered it playing sliceit
Mine doesn't seem to be affected by the angle. As far as I can tell it's a total crap shoot.
Have you tried pressing one finger first then resting the other on the screen a small amount of time later and then continuing with the pinch zoom maneuver? I found that this trick gets it working every time. Oh and don't have your fingers yo close together; half inch or so.
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Additionally the cleaner the screen the more responsive the multi-touch, single touch. a few smudges, and its a crap shoot. I keep a oakley glass cleaner in the case, and am constantly buffing the glass.
Hi, guys, have you noticed that if the right side of the sliding mechanism is slightly nudged, the display lights up? Here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQ1nK3cutY
When answering, please share what phone and keyboard layout do you have.
Same problem with me.. (link)
Personally, I don't like the capacitive buttons.. and I'm becoming increasingly annoyed with the search button!
Also, I don't know if anyone else has this problem..
If my keyboard is slightly moved/nudged, it wakes the phone up. See video..
http://www.twitvid.com/CHP21
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Oh, that's a relief, I thought I was the only one
Well, that's not a big problem, even if the phone is waked up, it's still locked and goes to sleep again in 3-4 seconds.
This is weird!
Mine's display light up after I slide it past the bottom keyboard row, it can stay locked while I can clearly see the spacebar!
How can the same device act differently like that? mine is a 7 Pro (not an Arrive), and I can see from your video that yours is a 7 Pro too.
hassanselim0 said:
This is weird!
Mine's display light up after I slide it past the bottom keyboard row, it can stay locked while I can clearly see the spacebar!
How can the same device act differently like that? mine is a 7 Pro (not an Arrive), and I can see from your video that yours is a 7 Pro too.
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If I push the sliding mechanism evenly, with two fingers, mine also lights up after the first row of the keyboard, just like yours. But try to push only the right side...
The screen is triggered based on a magnet I believe. So the amount that the screen must be moved to trigger the screen to come on isn't a precise thing.
Doesn't happen on my Arrive.
Hey, folks, do your phones light up when you divide the two halves?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc6zNYu-La8
Please write what phone do you have - HTC Arrive, HTC 7 Pro, QWERTY or QWERTZ kejboard.
Mine doesn't light up if I nudge the right or left side. It also does not light up If split it in half like the above video.
It only lights up when I slide it over the first row of keys.
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The screen is triggered based on a magnet I believe. So the amount that the screen must be moved to trigger the screen to come on isn't a precise thing.
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This is correct.
I don't have the manual for that phone. (it's similar to the mechanism shown for the TyTn however www.mikechannon.net or see here to get the general idea http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2677085&postcount=3 ) HTC tightened their document security and it's almost impossible to get Service Manuals current devices these days.
However, as tiny17 commented, in HTC phones, the sliding keyboard activates "wake-up" by means of a small magnet which is glued onto the inside of the casing. As this moves past the magnet operated switch it wakes up the phone. You will see similar behaviour if you bring a magnet near certain parts of the case and in fact this is a way to locate where the magnet switch is located.
Also, using phone cases that have magnet clasps on them can also operate the switch and wake up the phone when sliding it in and out of the case/pouch.
So technically this is not a fault, but it can be annoying.
Mike
I see a couple of options for this in other models, but I'm looking for one that works with 8.4. Any suggestions?
http://www.amazon.com/Backlit-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Samsung-10-1-Black/dp/B00MJX9DFE
I guess the autofit 8 is as good as it gets - not backlit though
http://www.amazon.com/ZAGG-Autofit-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Android/dp/B00MSOHDR4
Been looking since the day I received my 10.5, totally onboard trying to find a hinged one. Damn Apple has full blown hinged with 360 swivel.
I got the hinged autofit and I really like it. The keys are responsive with light travel. It has all they keys one would need. There is a slight design flaw which is a bit annoying. The bluetooth sync button is right by the power button. I like to turn the keyboard off so it doesnt start typing while I am playing games and fingers hit the keyboard. I always hit the sync button while searching for the power switch so the next time I need to use the keyboard it doesnt connect & I must pair it again. As well as this thing is designed it seems like quite a dumb oversight but since it's the only game in town - beggers cant be choosey. The hinged feature is solid. The base stays where it should and does not tilt over. The cover looks nice and seems to offer good protection. One other little thing I wish it had is the unlock magnet.
I also got a clip on LED light since there is no backlight. It's an anybest http://www.amazon.com/Anybest-BL-01-Rechargeable-Flexible-Reading/dp/B00W8MPZRQ/
I got this one out of the hundreds available because it has padded protection on both sides of the clip and is rechargable with a lifetime warranty. The LED lights are adjustable to 2 levels and there are 2. I usually only need one on the lowest setting. I would trade for a backlit keyboard in a heartbeat, but otherwise I am happy with these purchases.