Hey everyone
I was just wondering, with the first Windows Mobile Capacitive touchscreen device (HTC Leo / HD2) will older windows applications still work, as they are obviously designed for resistive screens?
I read somewhere (but cannot remember where) that only specific applications designed for capacitive screens will work on the new HTC Leo.
Just wondering because I will be purchasing a HTC Leo when it comes out, and I wouldn't like to find that all my old applications don't work lol.
Thanks..
Whatever you have heard is nonsense.
The application has no idea what type of screen you're using, it just knows that the OS told it "the user clicked here". That's the entire purpose of things like operating systems and device drivers, to abstract all of this stuff away so the appscan "just work".
The Leo WILL run all the same apps you get on any other 6.5 device.
prank1 said:
I read somewhere (but cannot remember where) that only specific applications designed for capacitive screens will work on the new HTC Leo.
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What you read was probably that only specific applications designed for the Leo will support multi-touch (e.g. pinch-zoom).
Lol thats exactly what I thought... but you know people and their silly rumors
And it definately was about 3rd party applications lol.
I just wanted to be 100% sure before I spend over £500 on a device!
Thanks for your help. Maybe it will clear up a bit of confusion for others aswell.
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Can a PPC software use in a Window mobile based smartphones?
are they functioning like in the PPC?
Can the *.cab file used for PPC use in smartphones?
I was just about to answer you, but then I go to the last line of your message.
We do not deal with WAREZ and craks here.
and
sthg about software tat i don understand..
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is something that I don't understand
ok, prehaps i shouldn't ask it tat way... actually the main thg is i just wanna know if there is any possiblity tat we can use PPC softwares on Window mobile based smartphone?
That would depend on the software and the device.
Some will run, some you won't be able to use without touch screen and some will need extra components.
you can try...it's all winCE...
I know some of my old smartphone software works o.k. on my PPC, but PPC is like smartphone's bigger brother: with extras (touchscreen, others, etc.)
The screen is broke on my smartphone now but I seem to remember installing some stuff meant for PPC on there back in the day with varying results. I think some did work, but not a lot worked nicely.
AFAIK you need to port, change a few things (like have no touchscreen input) for a reliable result.
it being winCE is not always enough
binary files are spc for the cpu they were compiled for
but if they have the same cpu and the same libs
it would work
another matter is .net and java they are not written for a spc cpu but for the framework
http://mobile-enthusiast.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-run-pocket-pc-applications-on.html
Rudegar said:
http://mobile-enthusiast.blogspot.com/2007/01/how-to-run-pocket-pc-applications-on.html
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Excellent article. Note that, however, it states all PPC apps run on a Smartphone w/ SPHelper ("Does this mean that they will run the same software? / Yes and no. All Windows Mobile devices (Smartphone, PPC, PPC phone edition, etc) can run the same actual executable code (.exe files) as long as it has been written for a Windows Mobile device. However if you actually try to install PPC software on a Smartphone (or vice versa) using Activesync, you might get an error message stating the device is incorrect and it will refuse to do anything."). This is, however, not really the case. See my related articles and hacking reports - in the articles I've posted in the last 2 weeks, I've posted a LOT of info on interoperability issues.
As a rule of thumb, about 10% of native (NON-Compact Framework-based) PPC programs can be hacked to work on a QVGA Smartphone. On a 176*220 one, even fewer.
bjy8138 said:
Can a PPC software use in a Window mobile based smartphones?
are they functioning like in the PPC?
Can the *.cab file used for PPC use in smartphones?
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Make sure you don't miss ANY of my articles. They are ALL in this very "General" forum.
I've published a LOT of information on these subjects, listing all the compatible software and how they can be hacked.
there should be a special forum for them since there are soo many they cant be sticky
some might get pushed far back
Rudegar said:
there should be a special forum for them since there are soo many they cant be sticky
some might get pushed far back
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Yup, that's a problem.
I'll some time collect the links and put them all in the Wiki so that they are easy to find.
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I'll some time collect the links and put them all in the Wiki so that they are easy to find.
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something like that'd be good, I think we all appreciate informative articles and in-depth tests ...thanks!
http://www.htcclub.net/en/shownews.php?ID=294
Nice show
hope this stuff will be available to kaiser...
pserbanp said:
http://www.htcclub.net/en/shownews.php?ID=294
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Hope so indeed - looks stunning!!!!!
jcespi2005 said:
Nice show
hope this stuff will be available to kaiser...
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For shure will be like WM6 was for all WM5 PDAPhones (TyTn,3600...etc)
to bad thats a smartphone OS shown there and not a ppc OS
WM7...
...will have nearly same features that iPhone showed last year...
To me looks to be the next zune device, as you can see one of the screenshots where the mp3 is playing. A copy cat of IPHONE definately but nicer feel of the OS we currently use on the kaiser.
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to bad thats a smartphone OS shown there and not a ppc OS
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Windows Mobile 7 will dramatically change the way we use mobile devices. It will emphasize the use of touch on the device, as well as motion gestures created by using the device. It is, absolutely, Microsoft’s effort to beat back the iPhone, and the iPhone is referenced several times in the document.
Windows Mobile 7 will use touch gestures, similar to how the iPhone does. You will be able to flick through lists, pan, swipe sideway, draw on the screen. A lot of emphasis has been put on making navigation easier and doing away with scrollbars, including a new scroll handle that allows for multiple ways of finding items extremely fast.
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Also, row 1 column 2 shows a SIP keyboard. I think this is the PPC version.
Well it certainly looks like more then just a skin face lift, looks pretty darn cool. I hope we can use it on our recently new devices, but when they say that gestures will be controlled by a camera looking up through the screen, i dont know if that applies to device hardware we have now?
Id on' really know how the biotouch stuff works right now
edit: ohh they must mean the actual camera on the back/front f your device that would do that sort of recognition I guess. I just remember seeing this youtube video of a microsoft screen witht hat "shock" technology where the guy said the screen had a a camera under it so it was able to follow all your gestures etc.. perhaps nto the same tech we are talkigna bout here I suppose.
It sure looks interesting. One thing though:
It will feature graphical transitions, subtle effects, and other things to make it more interesting to look at.
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My fears are that - as with Vista - it's a lot of window dressing with limited (added) functionality. And for all that window dressing, we need more power. More power means more battery power. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I'd rather have a dull looking tool than a great looking gadget.
At this moment, the Psion 5MX that I used to own, beats a WM6 device on functionality. Hands down.
Mike Philippens said:
My fears are that - as with Vista - it's a lot of window dressing with limited (added) functionality.
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I just have to say, if you read the tech docs, Vista added a LOT under the hood - it's not just an XP "skin." Truth is, I even see a lot of added functionality in plain view as well.
Club3d said:
To me looks to be the next zune device, as you can see one of the screenshots where the mp3 is playing. A copy cat of IPHONE definately but nicer feel of the OS we currently use on the kaiser.
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This really doesn't mean anything... just because it looks like a Zune doesn't mean it IS a Zune. As I posted in this thread a month ago (to VERY little fanfare ), MS has an entire department dedicated to giving WM the functionality of a Zune. It's called the "Pink and Purple Project."
The only thing that scares me is that they'll make it SO much like the Zune that I'll lose my Media Player functionality - I remember reading that Zunes have proprietary software and don't use WMP - they're not even "PlaysForSure!" Not sure if that's accurate.
However, can't Media Center convert saved shows to a low quality and sync up with a Zune automatically over WiFi? How sweet would that be for my Tilt!
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to bad thats a smartphone OS shown there and not a ppc OS
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I thought the pictures show touch screen and Smartphone doesn't have touch screen does it? anyway, someone will make that keyboard available sooner than WM7 for sure
How can you work the gestures without a touchscreen? So it's for PPC.
Thanx for sharing the info
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to bad thats a smartphone OS shown there and not a ppc OS
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If you've read anything about Windows Mobile 7 you would know that Microsoft will not have different SKUs for SmartPhone or PocketPCs this time around.
It will be one size fits all. (Probably still in a few different flavors so OEMs can chose one with Office and one without etc, but the general functionality, look and core will be the same)
eltoro said:
How can you work the gestures without a touchscreen? So it's for PPC. Thanx for sharing the info
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Maybe I'm an idiot, but I think think this Smartphone vs. PPC argument is moot.
You see, the gestures and touch features (such as dual touch) described in that document can't be done with Smartphones OR PPCs yet. They require the new touch system that the iPhone has (using electricity from your body vs. pressure on the screen), and thus these features (and maybe WM7 entirely) will depend on an entirely new generation of devices.
As such, if WM7 is truly such a huge leap, I doubt we'll see the entire thing released for the Tilt - I'm sure some chefs will extract and add features to WM6, but looks like the Tilt and ANY WM6 devices at this point won't be able to handle that stuff.
(That's not even my $0.02 worth, because there's a distinct possibility that I have no idea what I'm talking about...)
I found this, SEXY
http://microsoft.blognewschannel.com/archives/2008/01/06/exclusive-windows-mobile-7-to-focus-on-touch-and-motion-gestures/
Citrap
Seeing as the kaiser has no accelerometer, that feature is useless...
And for all you noobs who are going to say GPS!!!, that is no where in hell as accurate as i needs to be to detect in/out in 2 or 3 inches (pulg.)
gabriel31337 said:
...will have nearly same features that iPhone showed last year...
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Friday I have the iphone..!! But I will always have my tytn 2 (however HTC scrude us with the drivers) I just dont know how to unlock it yet.
this is old news!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=357183
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333211
and there are many more!
drokkon said:
I just have to say, if you read the tech docs, Vista added a LOT under the hood - it's not just an XP "skin." Truth is, I even see a lot of added functionality in plain view as well.
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Sure, but most of it is eye-candy and stuff that I don't care about. I want functionality, stuff I can use.
Hello Everyone. I have been looking through the android threads and I had a simple question that I did not see answered among those threads. The questions is this.
Are there any versions of Android that can boot as soon as the phone starts up? From what I have read, you have to always launch android manually.
Sorry if I missed a thread somewhere that covers this but I have not seen it anywhere. An answer or simple point to the right direction would be much appreciated. Thank you everyone for your time.
Answer: NO.
BUT...soon to be. dzo will make it possible soon, not sure how long it will take..since he doesnt have a kaiser, but he did it for vogue and said he will do it for kaiser.
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Are there any versions of Android that can boot as soon as the phone starts up? From what I have read, you have to always launch android manually.
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Technically no, as stated before DZO is working on it.
As for a "trick" to make it "auto boot", yes there is. Change the name of your default.txt to startup.txt this makes HaRET run without asking when clicked. Now place a shortcut to HaRET in your windows/start up foder. This way windows will automatically run HaRET as soon as the phone starts. And if there is an issue with Android, just remove the SD card and restart the phone. Doing this will act like it boots into Android, just a few seconds slower
Thank you for the responses. I have an I-phone 3GS now but always appreciated the new capibilities for the Kaiser made possible by the awesome chefs in this forum. I look forward to trying an Android Rom soon.
pmcnano said:
Answer: NO.
BUT...soon to be. dzo will make it possible soon, not sure how long it will take..since he doesnt have a kaiser, but he did it for vogue and said he will do it for kaiser.
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Actually, dzo does (or did) have a Kaiser. He was responsible for the first port of Android from the Vogue to the Kaiser. He was given a Kaiser by an anonymous member of this forum. Search the big Kaiser Android thread for "anonymous" and you'll see what I mean.
Once again I have a simple question that is probably a bit n00bish.
what requirements of andriod app can you use? Ive never had a andriod phone but I know that you have andriod 1.1 1.6 2.0 etc.
Im guessing the `more recent the app,the less likely it will work.
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Once again I have a simple question that is probably a bit n00bish.
what requirements of andriod app can you use? Ive never had a andriod phone but I know that you have andriod 1.1 1.6 2.0 etc.
Im guessing the `more recent the app,the less likely it will work.
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For as far as I know: you can use most of the apps that suite our resolution used in our default.txt's and startup.txt's. Allso notice that, if an app is depending on a certain piece of hardware that is not working yet with that build, that you can't use it. For instance: we don't have working bluetooth yet, so bluetooth dependant apps could be kind of a hassle.
I have tried many builds and figured that most ION and Donut related apps seem to work for me.
heres a very simple question, it might be even stupid to ask this i guess. well i have a htc touch- windows mobile 6.0
i have installed some awesome reference apps like lexisgoo dictionary n wikipedia app n other utility apps. now im planning to buy htc snap, which is a nontouch-screen qwerty phone. the question is will these apps mentioned above will work on htc snap phone?
thank you
vsangolli said:
heres a very simple question, it might be even stupid to ask this i guess. well i have a htc touch- windows mobile 6.0
i have installed some awesome reference apps like lexisgoo dictionary n wikipedia app n other utility apps. now im planning to buy htc snap, which is a nontouch-screen qwerty phone. the question is will these apps mentioned above will work on htc snap phone?
thank you
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Hi,
They will work, but navigating in the interface will be 'difficult' if not to say impossible...
Dirk
As mentioned above, it depends.
It is possible to write an application that will run on either PPC Touch Screens, and also on smart phones, but the decision must be made at the design stage, and the application must decide which type of device it is running on and act accordingly.
Smartphones will not generate OnClick() events (.NET) or WM_LBUTTONDOWN messages (Win32), only key related events. If the app was written only for PPC clicks and not to react to key presses as well, you could be in trouble.
Please,
I'd like to know if is it possible to have a dual boot
for android mobile device (acer liquid) and windows mobile
thanks
I'd love to know about this too. Android's been impressing me on my FUZE, but I'm not entirely willing to dive in without a safety net.
If I could look forward to an AT&T version of Incredible in the future (or something similar) that would allow me to slip into WinMo if need be, I'd love it.
Or even better... an Android-native app that would launch WinMo apps. that way I'd be able to port over my beloved KinomaPlay. ^^d
Retro users?
Hi there,
I tried to search the question's forums and turned up to "no thread" on the subject.
When I tried to start one (and only then) I bumped into it!
Ok, I've being using Android for sometime now and do like it some but from time to time I just miss to have a smartphone that don't keep upgrading it's apps all the time!
Unfortunately there have been no decent WM phone on the brazillian operators of late (no Wm7 down here) and I quite could not leave the "eCompass" behind (saw no WM phone with it!).
Just now I'm waiting for some Nokia WM phones but until then...
(Possible I imagine that it is but)
... is there some hotshot out there to fix a WM version on an Android Device (like Defy or Galaxy Tab)?
C u!
There are quite a few compass apps on the Android Market.... Can you describe something unique eCompass does that you haven't found an adequate replacement?
Ah, before I go...
... Just to sign on the thread notification!
Just to the records...
(It appears that I was misunderstood and that my previous attempt at explaining it was unsuccessful!)
I was saying that I do not know of any WM device with compass capability! Just GPS.
"eCompass" was supposed to stand for electronic compass. It was not an app!
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(Still awaiting...)
My friend try to do same thing on his android phone but no chance. I have another friend that can do it but he has some sort of universal phone that can had all os's made for phone.