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View camera of another ppc via bluetooth?

Is it possible to view the camera of another ppc via bluetooth? whether i need to install a program on both ppc's thats fine.
i just want sumthing where i can connect my two ppc's, put PPC1 sumwhere.......and watch PPC1 on PPC2 via bluetooth.
thanks a lot
,Andrew

Well your post has been up longer than most and still no reply.
Allow me to take your forum cherry. The reluctance of replys is probably down to the nature of why you would want to watch ppc1 on ppc2 via bluetooth (taking into account that you have a 10m range)
So could you please answer me this survey, and i will be happy to answer your questions.
1) Are you planning to "watch" others, when they most likely are unaware that you are hiding (less than ten metres away)?
2) Have you got an atractive collegue, who rarely checks under the desk?
3) Are you planning to watch the public enter pin numbers into cashpoints, so that you can jump them later?
You get the picture.... I am sure you have a very good reason to want to see something 10m away, or maybe in the next room.... but, validation of the purpose would get you more response.
Please don't take this the wrong way, for all i know you could be my neighbor

oh lol haha.....soz, yeh i see where ur coming from
umm.....not anything particular (like getting passwords or perving at people LOL).....just like viewing something from another perspective.....say....im up at the front of the classroom.....i might be able to see wots happening behind me without even looking (by setting up ppc1 in front of me sumwhere).
i dont have any malicious reason .....just more of a different way of looking at things sorta point of view if u get wot i mean? just to see wot i look like to other people and such.
thanks if u can help me
,Andrew

hmmmmm?
Well i have gathered that you are most likely a teacher.
Now hoping that you are not a gym teacher and "the other side of the class" means the girls changing room........... most people have relied on a technology known as A MIRROR to view themselfs from the other side of a room, this highly advanced piece of "GLASS" has a reflective quality... i kid you not.... ive seen one, and the mind boogles.....
I do not know of any program specificaly designed for this function. however i do remember a thread somewhere about using your ppc as a web cam.
now if you were to use some sort of logmein or orb program that allows you to take control of the host web cam, in theory this would be possible.
But the question is.... has anyone had any experience with this... or what would the data/connection limits be? surely a hsdpa connection would be needed or wifi. in which case would it not be easier to install ORB on a pc at the end of the class (or wifes office, whatever)
I cant answer this question just yet, but rest assured, i will be combing the internet for an answer..... you may of triggered a voyeristic switch i had hidden.......erm.....

haha nah im not a teacher lol.....im in year 10 this year hehe

the cameras are always off unless the device have it started using normal camera app or videocard
and
"(like getting passwords or perving at people LOL)"
how on earth would a front or back camera be able to get a password?
it dont get the image from under the screen it cant see whats being displayed or written on the screen
it would be possible to do but would require an app running on both the sender and reciever
and it would prob have pretty poor fps

MS Portrait is software which can do peer to peer video, and with the right bluetooth stack, or even WIFI you could set up a peer to peer network connection.
I think its certainly possible, and I imagine such a setup would be useful if you wanted to keep an eye on your car outside while being in another room, or as an impromptu baby monitor.
Surur

Ok. i may have a solution
There is a program for ppc called coolcamera. This allows you to use your ppc as a web cam. Apparently you can use Webcam mode through Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, GPRS/EDGE without ActiveSync.
If this is the case, rather than using a desktop pc you could use ORB or VNC to view the ppc1 image on ppc2.
And now that i understand that you are only in year ten, I feel increasingly guilty, as i am seriously doubting that you will not be using this "unethicaly"
As mention above, both ppc's will need to be set up, and active. so expect poor battery performance, and possibly awful fps.

FINAL STRAW with WM - why do we not have this app?

Im sick of the most useful apps being developed for the iPhone only.
Take this app for example
http://www.mobiletechaddicts.com/2008/11/16/tv-plus-sky-remote-for-iphone-updated/
This app would be SO useful to UK WM users. The ability to remote record programs on your Sky+ or Sky+HD box would be extremely useful, yet we are being left out in the cold yet again.
This is seriously the last straw, im almost ready to jump ship next gen of phones.
Does anyone know of a WM equivilant?

darthbane2k said:
Im sick of the most useful apps being developed for the iPhone only.
Take this app for example
http://www.mobiletechaddicts.com/2008/11/16/tv-plus-sky-remote-for-iphone-updated/
This app would be SO useful to UK WM users. The ability to remote record programs on your Sky+ or Sky+HD box would be extremely useful, yet we are being left out in the cold yet again.
This is seriously the last straw, im almost ready to jump ship next gen of phones.
Does anyone know of a WM equivilant?
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As you might have seen on the "application" you linked in your post: it is again not a real application but a web service packed in an executable file for iPhones - something the world really does not need since service providers such as TiVo are launching their own stuff:
http://news.ebrandz.com/miscellaneo...e-for-programming-remotely-for-tv-freaks.html

omg
you want you diamond to be a your sky remote???
ill sell you a sky remote for £10.....better than £400...the cost of a diamond

Junner2003 said:
As you might have seen on the "application" you linked in your post: it is again not a real application but a web service packed in an executable file for iPhones - something the world really does not need since service providers such as TiVo are launching their own stuff:
http://news.ebrandz.com/miscellaneo...e-for-programming-remotely-for-tv-freaks.html
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Im not talking about TiVO (which is not available in the UK), im talking specifically about Sky+.

dude you can alwys try slingplayer for slingbox users, duh

dortyboy said:
dude you can alwys try slingplayer for slingbox users, duh
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you guys dont get it, this isnt a remote control app nor should I be required to buy a slingbox (expensive). The iphone app is simple, you sign in with your sky account username and password, you pull up a complete TV guide and you set recordings from the app. The app communicates with skys servers which then in turn send a signal to your sky box from wherever you are in the world and your box will record that programme.
Now, granted you can do this from the sky.com website, but typically its one of those sites that just doesnt work in Opera or pocket IE.

Tivo Mobile
Tivo Mobile was released last month but don't know if that helps you.

no hes lives in uk. sky+ is like a uk tivo.
theres an app for iphone that lets you sign into you sky account and record a show from you phone
he want an app that lets him sign into his sky+ account with his mobile

darthbane2k said:
you guys dont get it, this isnt a remote control app nor should I be required to buy a slingbox (expensive). The iphone app is simple, you sign in with your sky account username and password, you pull up a complete TV guide and you set recordings from the app. The app communicates with skys servers which then in turn send a signal to your sky box from wherever you are in the world and your box will record that programme.
Now, granted you can do this from the sky.com website, but typically its one of those sites that just doesnt work in Opera or pocket IE.
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Well, I got you already in first place! Even the iPhone Application is nothing but a modified webbrowser control, so, basically, you're loading the Sky+ website into your iPhone - and this is why I always wonder then people talk about 'aplication on the iPhone', mostly these are nothing but web services!
Sky+ is promissing and promoting the MOBILE REMOTE RECORDING on their website and I can't believe that OPERA can't view the site properly! You might wanna contact their technical support in order to get it solved!

Actually mate, it is possible to get one of the java apps for the sony phone to work aparently. Though I havent tried it on the diamond, but i did get it working on my wizard.
So, just download one of the sony ericson java remote record apps and install and try. Have a bit of a google.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=680256

You got 2 options to try here,
either just browse to the tv guide page on the sky page as normal, at the top it will give you the option for screen reader version. works a treat, bookmark it to save browsing the horrific sky homepage
you can always 1 up your iPhone freinds, grab skyfire browser, full web browsing including flash. just tried will check if it worked when I get home. Downside is skyfire needs good connection i.e wifi or 3g to work well.
either way less clutter on you phone, rather than the mess of utils you get on iPhone.
hope that helps.

That app has been around for time mate it was a java app and i had it on my symbian phone i think you can get it here they cover all versions
http://anytime.sky.com/mobile.aspx

It seems like owners of WM have to scour the entire globe to find software for their phones. While iPhone owners simply go to the app store and download them all in one place.

RubberDucky451 said:
It seems like owners of WM have to scour the entire globe to find software for their phones. While iPhone owners simply go to the app store and download them all in one place.
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You forget 1 thing:
If you have only 1 single place then this single place will most likely make the decision for you which applications will be available to you and which not - this is (unfortunately) quite common in the Apple Store! I am quite happy that I can different stuff on different places! Often you get your stuff directly from the developer's website where you then find as well support and forums for the particular product.
Now, think about the following: each super market in the world would be Wal-Mart ... go a step further and try to determine what you might find in Wal-Mart if no other stores are around anymore ... go the final step and try to get support from an Wal-Mart employee for the product you bought ... brrrrr!

That java app (which I used to use on an old sony ericsson) does not and will not work on a touch HD with its lack of buttons

Good news http://www.sky.com/portal/site/skycom/tvguide/tvlistingsalternate works in opera.
Bad news - there is no way to login to your account. opera/sky site simply doesnt remember your credentials :-(

why don't you wait for a dev phone like compulab exeda

Compatible P2P applications

Hello.
I've been searching the interweb for file sharing clients that are compatible with the X7510 (in my case the O2 XDA Flint). Below are my brief reviews of each that I've tried.
Pocket G2 Pro: This is one of those fantastic little apps that was created and then abandoned, despite pleas from the PPC community, some years ago. This was basically a gnutella client similar to bearshare, frostwire, limewire etc. It worked well for small files (under 17mb I recall) and had a habbit of closing itself after prolonged periods of use. Unfortunately this app won't even start up on my X7510, and the apps domain (pocketG2.com) is now up for sale, so I guess there isn't a new version coming anytime soon.
WM Torrent: This is a torrent client similar to bit-torrent, u-torrent, vuse etc. It loads ok and the connection seems good but it only handles torrents, so it's not ideal for small files such as mp3s. I have unlimited data on my contract and started downloading a 50mb mpg file which had plenty of seeders (people sharing the file) on a GPRS connection. After several hours it had only downloaded 3% so I gave up. I will try this app again in a 3G area (if I can find one!) and see if it performs any better.
Mopiphant: This is another gnutella client that is popular with PPC users. I have tried several versions but none will open after installing them.
There seems to be room in the market for a gnutella client that is stable on this device. And lets face it, if any device could make use of file sharing on the go it's the X7510 with its huge memory, huge screen and meaty sterio speakers.
Does anyone know of a working P2P app for the X7510?
Phil.

Why?
this would destroy any data allowance you had with your providor. Its blatently against any TOS they have.
Use your desktop ?
O2 TOS state :
Data Charges
* For applicable tariffs with data capability: Unless a data or BlackBerry Bolt On is taken, your tariff will include O2 Web Daily under which data will be charged at £2.94 per MB up to a maximum of £0.98 per day (00:00am to 23:59pm). Once you have reached your maximum daily charge of £0.98, O2 Web Daily allows you unlimited use of Telefónica O2 UK Limited's Edge/GPRS/ 3G networks (as applicable to your handset), for personal internet use via your mobile phone. All usage must be for your private, personal and non-commercial purposes. You may not use your SIM Card:
o in, or connected to, any other device including modems;
o to allow the continuous streaming of any audio / video content, enable Voice over Internet (Voip), P2P or file sharing; or
o in such a way that adversely impacts the service to other O2 customers.
If O2 reasonably suspects you are not acting in accordance with this policy O2 reserves the right to impose further charges, impose network protection controls which may reduce your speed of transmission or disconnect your tariff at any time, having attempted to contact you first.
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http://www.o2.co.uk/termsandconditions/tariffsandboltons
I quoted the wrong part, on that above link under "Data Bolt On Terms" it says the same.

Thanks for your feedback Embassy.
Lets assume that I'm a fully aware adult and therefore resposible for the mobile data contract I agreed to, and its usage. With this in mind - do you know of any working P2P apps?
BTW, this device is also WiFi equipped, so I could use a hot spot to do my downloading

None that I know of.
How about RDP into your desktop while mobile and download via P2P that way.
Install XAMPP on your desktop and you could host the downloaded file using FTP or HTTP and download from the device.
Could be wrong but pretty sure all those connetions would lag it out really bad, if you have peer gaurdian installed or run a netstat for example see how many connections are active.

I'm pretty certain I didn't understand most of that...
Are you saying I could use remote desktop to download the P2P files on my PC at home, and then use some kind of file-server (XAMPP) to copy the file to my PPC?

Mopiphant is emule network client, your right only bt works on ppc, we need to find some java apps or other code like python....
u got opennap too but i cant add opennap servers http://www.zdziarski.com/projects/zamar/

Thanks wolframio74, I'll take a look at that and see if I can get it working.

GNSS Internet Radio and Built in GPS

Hello,
I am new to the forum and also the owner of an HTC Fuze. I have been playing around recently with the GPS on the phone and got me thinking. I live in NY and we have a CORS network of gps base stations that are fed by the use of ntrip.
I was wondering if their was any way to use the gps signal on my phone and the connection to this CORS network to give me sub inch accuracy on my phone...then not sure what I would do with it then. But I do live on a farm and I would like to see some type of precision agricultural use.
I guess I need a way to have the GPS on the phone talk with the GNSS internet radio and then give me spot on guidance and such.
Please let me know your thoughts or if I need to explain better.
Thanks,
Clayton

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bump. Any ideas? Anyone

Great idea cwrisrey !
That will save the cost of a geodetic device, which is many times the cost of a Fuze. Further, it will lead the accuracy of the buildin GPS into millimum class.
Not dig into this further, would you go further to tell these:
Is that CORS data encrypted?
Is that accessible through public internet or VPN?
Is there copy right or intellectuall property right issue involved? (I don't think so, but better make it clear first)
Once again, great idea. Please do remember to update this thread once you got any progress. Thanks.

More info
Hello wg5566,
This site would probably answer alot of your questions clearer than I could:
http://www6.nysdot.gov/spiderweb/frmIndex.aspx
* Is that CORS data encrypted?
-I don't believe so, I think that it is just a form of compression, to distribute across the internet.
* Is that accessible through public internet or VPN?
Yes, the NYS CORS anyway. It accessible from the public internet (although they require you to register with them) But I believe there are other free streams. I also believe it was modeled after being able to be sent threw GPRS.
* Is there copy right or intellectuall property right issue involved? (I don't think so, but better make it clear first)
-I believe the ntrip is based on a GNU, I think the source code is available. http://igs.bkg.bund.de/index_ntrip_down.htm
Windows CE version:
http://www.ilmb.gov.bc.ca/crgb/gsr/downloads/installGNSS.CAB
Please, let me know your thoughts...
Thanks,
Clayton

My fast thoughts:
First make sure there is no satisfied freeware currently available for WM.
If so please ask a moderator to move this to the development & hackings section. And Add tyis sentence on the title: Call for developers for revolutionary GPS app!
I'm sure somebody here can develop this. You know the geodetic device was invented many years ago with very weak profiles comparing to current WM devices. The hardware on our phone should be capable to deal with these calculations, and the WM Pro platform should be capable to support such an app. Anyway it should not be a biggy for many masters here. But it is a biggy for gps users with high accuracy demand for any reason.
Edit: Did you try install that wince cab on your phone? I think some of WINCE apps can just run on WM. Please backup your data first.
Edit2: I tried to install it on my device, at first it did not show up in start menu, then I found the cab just put files and shortcut in the folder names in French. But there is no registry involved in the cab. Only three files. And then program UI itself is in English. Just run the executable from the folder will go right out of the box. So please try it. I did not try to connect & loggin yet, due to not registered account.
Edit3: Looks like the cab is only access the data from internet, convert the data format and export the data, but we still need a geodetic/gps software to process/use the data.
Disclaimer: I attatched these three files for the only purppose of exchanging software developement infomation. Anybody if download it please do not use it for any purppose other than this. Thanx.

Some thoughts on the subject
Hi All,
The idea of using NTRIP to make a Windows Mobile GPS device sub-meter accurate crossed my mind. After some research I found this thread.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any software capable of doing this. My idea is that it should be possible to accomplish this goal, using a combination of existing tools (which would be really cool!).
As wg5566 notes, there is a (WM) tool called GNSS Internet Radio, which is capable of downloading NTRIP corrections. It turns out this software works, but does have some flaws. Someone wrote another open source tool which is better (?), but unfortunately it isn't built for Windows Mobile (see: http://lefebure.com/software/).
More searching revealed a (dead?) project on codeplex: SharpGPS. It's an unfinished demo. It does however seem to be designed to do exactly what we're suggesting in this thread.
My idea: Completing the WM version of SharpGPS with parts of GNSS Internet radio / lefebure NTRIP client should result in a tool that's capable of upgrading a WM devices' gps signal to sub-meter accuracy through RTK/DGPS corrections over NTRIP.
Any ideas / suggestions about this?

It's already been done for the commercial market
Land surveyors, construction companies, and farmers use RTK GPS and RTK GNSS correction services on a regular basis. Some are free and some are paid subscription. They can be either NTRIP protocol with casters or individual TCP or UDP connections. Examples of software available are Carlson SurvCE and MicroSurvey. Read Carlson's support site for how they deal with the data flow using such networks on SurvCE (Windows Mobile and CE).
I have worked in land surveying using such equipment, and it generally requires dual frequency receivers, RTK corrections, and high quality antennas to achieve 1-2cm 95% CI horizontal precision. The current GPS chips in cell phones are only single frequency and so the best you could expect under ideal conditions is 2'-3' precision using some form of differential correction like WAAS or beacon or DGPS via NTRIP. Under average conditions, the precision will likely be in the 10-20' range. The dual frequency receivers take care of the large errors caused by radio waves traveling through the ionosphere.
Due to the limitations of batteries, antennas, and space for more chips in cellphones, the future of location accuracy will likely include some combination of GPS/GLONASS and cellular radio signal frequency timing calculations from cell towers. True Position, with its U-TDOA technology, is one example of measuring the time differences of cell phone radio waves using cell towers with known coordinates. Rumors (from surveying journals) have it that there are current patents in place that can allow for sub foot precision using such methods when sufficient cell towers are present for multilateration.

Has anyone found success on this topic? WM or Android...

Would be very interested, since there is a free NTRIP feed available in Switzerland... anyone?

*bump* it up

Been there still trying. Problem is no carrier phase off internal gps.

Grimli said:
Hi All,
The idea of using NTRIP to make a Windows Mobile GPS device sub-meter accurate crossed my mind. After some research I found this thread.
As wg5566 notes, there is a (WM) tool called GNSS Internet Radio, which is capable of downloading NTRIP corrections. It turns out this software works, but does have some flaws. Someone wrote another open source tool which is better (?), but unfortunately it isn't built for Windows Mobile (see: /lefebure.com/software/).
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Lance lefebure is a really cool guy I'm sure he wouldn't have any problem building a wm version but it is going to takea lot more than that to get rtk to a cell phone.

Very good ,thanks.

Ed hardy bikini said:
Very good ,thanks.
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If you are confused just ask questions and I will do my best to answer them. I am in the ag industry and deal with RTK networks and different ways of connecting them and tons of different gps units on a daily basis.

Look at this:
http://stakemill.wordpress.com/2010/07/19/ashtech-mobile-mapper-100-supports-esri-arcpad-10-0/
and this:
http://www.ashtech.com/-2359.kjsp?RH=1272644205746&RF=1270806507068
Is that still a phone !?

wg5566 said:
Look at this:
Is that still a phone !?
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Nope PDA with support for external GPS with a builtin reciever that even sees glonass satellites (russian constelation). That was made specifically to do RTK mapping. It does have a GSM radio for data to connect to the cors.

Phone positioning using CORS
To perform a CORS (Network Reference correction we need a GGA stream from the GPS in your device. This allows us to remove the anomalies and provde the correction stream. As phones use a sirf II chip or similar they do not have input capability to output the NMEA stream to achieve this.

This one works great! it will connect to an Rtk receiver and get the nmea string from it or will use the internal GPS to be able to register on the CORS network. It will then stream the corrections over Bluetooth to a receiver or even a repeater radio. It won't however correct the internal GPS. http://antrip.dyndns.biz/Home/DownloadTrial

OpenVPN connection drops randomly in all circumstances under all conditions

I've used the standard OpenVPN for Android app as well as the proprietary clients that come with subscriptions to some VPNs. For every provider I've tried (which has to be at least 8), I've tried every server, every protocol for each server and every configuration tweak available for each server. This exhaustive search has taken nearly a year and has cost me at least $200 USD. Finally my stupid @$$ has realized either there's something wrong with every smartphone I've ever used or there is an inherent problem with my carrier or Android.
Any definitive direction or advice on this matter will be treated as direct gospel from the savior.
At this point thanks at least for reading this far.