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Positioning Through GSM/GPRS

Hey all,
A question here, i have heard this story a couple of times now but no proof. So maybe one of you can tell me if its a hoax or not.
I heard about a program that is able to triangulate your position by checking the signalstrenght. The program i heard about would be able to change to profiles to whatever you set them and whenever they should be activated.
For example: you come home, the program finds out you are close to home and puts on another callprofile etc.
The fact is that i know of LBS (location based service) and that those services are also working on the triangulation of cellphones.
Basically it should be possible but i can't find anything about a single program that is able to do something even close to that.
Do some of you have some more information if there is such a program or if its even possible?
Thanks!

I have been looking for that for years. It's the replacement of GPS (carry one more device). However, I search through the webs (visisted more than 100 sites). Some were restricted (police use) and some were requiring service charges per Kb.

Search for "navizon". I remember reading about it on here somewhere - let me know if its what your after and if its any good please.

Specs off navizon are very promising. It claims to use all available cell, wifi & gps data on p2p basis to locate your current position. Unfortunately PIE & Minimo aren't capable of downloading the installl files, so my try-out is a bit delayed.
M

Thanks for the info petest. That looks very promising indeed!
It even has the possibility to let GPS software use it.
I just installed the whole package and fired it up but still no positioning data after 20 minutes.
I'll let it run for a day and see if something happens.
But thanks for the info and i'll let you all know if it starts working!

Possible GPS Fix?

Okay I had to repost this. Ages ago when I first got my HTC Touch (Vogue) and finally got the 6.1 upgrade from telus there was a ton of hurdles to get over to get the GPS working...
That said.. my Vogue gets a lock literally within seconds each and every time. It's a pain to go to the touch pro (ATT FUZE) which takes minutes.. if it even gets a lock at all in tomtom. I'm just wondering if a similar fix that was used for the Vogue could be applied to the fuze..
I'll list the process below and let me know what you guys think.
Aaron McCarthy said:
Alright.. Thanks to
Originally Posted by ghettofreeryder on howard forums.
Alright, I think I got to the bottom of this gps nonsense. I belive the problem is that the GPSone data in the radio is not set up properly. I opened up the settings with QPST, and the PDE informaiton is not setup.
the settings should be as follows
Allowed = checked
Assistanc-Spherical = checked
PDE IP Address = 216.198.139.92
PDE Port Number = 8889
PDE Transport = IP
Position Calculation = PDE
This process is a bit.. not tedious or anything but just safty's sale for a good read look at the thread linked below for a guide to getting the QPST program working.. how to get it to connect to your phone etc. Side note.. You have to install the WModem drivers on your computer in order for it to connect properly and you'll need to install the GetSPC program on your phone in order to get the service programming code. That said.. you also need to download the QPST program (obviously). All of which (including the guide) here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanGpsFix
You'll need to run the GetSPC program on your phone. when you open QPST and you add the COM4 port and you open the service programming it should say your ESN HEX at the top put that code into GETSPC (again GETSPC runs on your phone) and then it will generate your SPC..in the service programming click read from phone and enter the SPC it generated for your and it should work. Thats the code you need to get access into the phone via QPST.
Now follow that in order to connect to the program and go pretty much to where you have to put in all that information ghettofreeryder gave us. Make sure you redial the ##3424 code to get out of the settings in your phone.
Then once that's done. Download a1Jatts smartgps cab which will activate the smartgps in the registry of the phone. Do a soft reset and you are good to go. Make sure you put in ALL the right information. I forgot to put in an 8 in the PDE Port Number at first so I had 889 not 8889. I didnt get any quicker locks so checked and put in the right number and worked like a charm. I got locks on 6-7 satellites in my basement with a few seconds.
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Now obviously the IP address wont be the same as thats the IP for Telus.. but .. I mean come on.. my phone literally gets a lock in seconds even indoors! So this has to some how be able to help us out with the touch pro! If it cant maybe some variation of this method can.

okay so we're up to almost 300 views and not a single responce.... I take it that means no one really has any idea's if this would work or not. I'd give it a shot myself but I have my wedding in 5 days so I dont really have time to mess around with this.. maybe after though!

to my mind the 300 views are because of the title of your thread. most people searching for a solution for the gps problem do it because of the lag. fixing satellites is as fast as with my kaiser. the only problem is the lag.
i´m sure you would get a quick fix when you disable agps and use quickgps.
Aaron McCarthy said:
okay so we're up to almost 300 views and not a single responce.... I take it that means no one really has any idea's if this would work or not. I'd give it a shot myself but I have my wedding in 5 days so I dont really have time to mess around with this.. maybe after though!
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Matthes42 said:
to my mind the 300 views are because of the title of your thread. most people searching for a solution for the gps problem do it because of the lag. fixing satellites is as fast as with my kaiser. the only problem is the lag.
i´m sure you would get a quick fix when you disable agps and use quickgps.
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I have agps disabled and update quickgps religiously, but I'm not sure how much quickgps really helps. When I've been using the gps regularly, I get locks (in TomTom) in under a minute. If I haven't used the gps in a few days, even with a fresh quickgps update, the satellite screen shows the position of 6-9 satellites, but the gps still takes 10 minutes or more to start reporting data and secure a fix.
Just my .02

GPS Issues
I have similar problems on my AT&T Fuze. On the first run of google maps or Pocket CoPilot it works great with a lock on of usually 1 min.
But if I need to shutdown the app for any reason and restart it, then the software will say, GPS not found, then GPS found looking for signal, then go back to GPS not found and keep cycling like this.
What usually fixes this is a soft reboot. I certainly hope a patch can fix this.
It is a pain, especially when my Tilt did not do this.
James

Is there a way of using GPS without media net?

My friend has the LG incite and run windows mobile. He has no media net, but is able to use gps just by using gpsgate and then the tom tom program. i was wondering if there is a way for us on the FUZE to do the same?

SEARCH SEARCH SEARCHH!! <<--- IDK why people don't use the search when we have it!!
all you have to do is turn off the AGPS in your settings. (Go to Start > Settings > System > AGPS Settings) and make sure Enable AGPS is NOT checked. You now have GPS without using your MediaNet!

Definitely did not work for me... Are there any other settings that I need? I turned off AGPS and went to my google maps and tom tom and can't get it to work.

.....google maps REQUIRES the internet to work, whether it's WiFi or MediaNet some sort fo internet is needed.
...as per TomTom it should work. I used to do it all the time until i actually got the data plan for myself.

See i don't want to get the data plan because its just for something I will use once in a blue moon. I just wanna have GPS in case I need it some time

okay...so TomTom or any other navigation software will work as long as you have the maps on your storage card...

I gotta wait till I get my phone back, but can anyone tell me if this works? (People without media Net of course) From my understanding it'll keep saying that its looking for a connection and can't get one.

not sure what "media net" is assuming it's some sort of isp
but gps don't require gprs or even a phone part to work
mind you most these gps's dont work indoors you have to be outside
or in a car and have a working tomtom set correctly up or gamin or any
other gps software suite

Media Net is ATT data plan they call it media net. Everytime I try connecting GPS it seems like its trying to use a data plan and since I shut it off by calling up ATT it seems like my phone is only trying to go through ATT and saying no connection

tomtom and gamin gps software should not use a data connection at all
if of cause the install include the cards of where one is located
the same software is run on pda's with gps but no phone
like many of the mio pda's

if your using some PirateBay copy of Tomtom or Garmin then you need to check the tags. Raphael is not a smartphone it's a PPC.
Advanced config take off aGPS.
MoDaCo nodata.cab
otherwise get garmin i've had very few problems once i figured out how to copy my maps from my c550 to my phone.

whats the point of having a phone as powerful as the touch pro if you aren't gonna pay for a data plan? thats like a car with no gas

FatalCharade said:
whats the point of having a phone as powerful as the touch pro if you aren't gonna pay for a data plan? thats like a car with no gas
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albeit i do have a data plan, i debated it for a while when i realized i was spending 80-90 hours a week in the hospital which has wifi and so does the fuze....given the limited time out of wifi spots, i almost went without it.... but then chose to go with it for those times when i'm not in wifi spots...

Try Amaze Gps....turn by turn gps...and it doesnt use data....and best of all its free!!

amAze needs the user to have a data plan in order for it to operate. similar to google maps

GPRS under control. is it possible?

Hi,
when the wifi signal is lost or activesync is dsconnected, my HTC TouchPro automatically tries to switch to GPRS connection. like when i start browser or messenger application it turns GPRS by default.
My question is: have anybody seen the application or tweak that would show the dialogue window BEFORE the gprs connection established, something like
"application XXX tries to use GPRS connection. and two buttons: Allow|Deny"
that's actually all we need to control GPRS expences, especially when in roaming. (yes, i know about "no data in roaming" app). sometimes it goes like this: you're sure you're online using wifi, and browse or download a film or music. BUT, in the middle of the process the wifi connection is lost, but you didn't notice it, the device switched to GPRS automatically without notice and questions, so the rest of your download becomes golden for you.
if there were such an app with a simple two-buttons-dialogue, life would be easier for all of us... is there?

I have been dreaming for the same thing for like years

actually i had the same problem,
i was browsing comfortably using wifi, but unknown to me, when the signal got interrupted, it switched to GPRS...
actually we would know if we look at the icon, but it's absurd to look at the icon every once in a while...
so, my solution was... to call up the provider, and have them terminate the GPRS service.
it might not serve you any good, since you probably still need the option to be able to go online when there's no wifi, but it served my purpose really well.

So, as i can see, it's not just my whim - it's really necessary add-on. are here some advanced members, coders who are able to solve it? afaik, this feature is not available in winmobile itself, but somehow implemented by Nokia, for example.

Got IT!
guys,
i found the solution. it appears much easier than i expected: just check the
start/settings/sounds and notifications/notifications - connection established. [i have localized WM version, menu strings in english version may vary from my translation. so, just find something close by meaning]
that's it!
good luck.

Yes, I always set it like that so I know it connects with GPRS/3G but I won't still ask me if I want to connect or not, the notification is only good way to try to disconnect it quickly... if I am the one using the phone but if someone else is using it, it's just worthless.

Standalone GPS on xv6700; Solved?

I want to say I love this site and have learned alot. I have tried for quite a time to get GPS to work on the xv6700, tho it seems much disinformation has been spread as far as a GPS being within. I have torn down this phone to see for myself if the MSM6500 was in this, which it is. Therefore I believe it does have this ability. I recently installed a program called WPS by Skyhook, which is a Wireless Positioning System. Now just a footnote; my phone has no carrier, I only use it for surfing the internet with wifi. To utilize WPS the site tells me I would need an active internet connection, however it stills works with no connection!!! It seems as if I have gotten the internal gps to wake up. I use Open Mobile Maps and it works excellent. I pickup satellites with Google Maps just to test at home (so far as many as 10 satellites). Can somebody else please duplicate this to verify exactly what is going on here? I just want to emphasize that this is with NO CONNECTION to ANYTHING!!!