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Hi all,
Figured I should start a post with problems (in the quest for solutions).
I have had my v1605 from Vodafon for 3 days now and have found a few problems already. I have a replacement coming on Tue so will see what is fixed...
So far:
- keyboard back lights not working, matters not if the sensor is active or not. Vodafone replacing the unit as a result.
- some keys on the far right seem unsensitive - I keep missing O, P and L from my typing. The keys do work though...maybe it is just me.
- screen alignment wanders and as such I usually need to re-align the screen once a day or more. Seems always to drift left and slight lower than I am pressing.
- today screen items are locked and 'vodafoned', very annoying as I cannot show task list, owner info or lock status on the today screen. I hard reset the unit and reset it before the customisation happened and voila - the usual today screen items were back - but as a result I lost the vodafone dialer skin and the 3G symbol. I presume someone can ROM-hack to get rid of this restriction and look forward to it In fact, it would be perfect if the ONLY Vodafone customisations were the dialler skin, 3G symbol and theme.
- If you have a password set and hard-reset the unit it crashes when you are prompted for the password. Soft resetting it then skips the vodafone customisation.
- left softkey set to phone instead of calendar and no way to change it.
- no easy way to access Vodafone Live!
- camera quality pretty poor for a 2MP, no where near as good as the K750i for example. However, the K750i on its first firmware was pretty aweful too!
- when plugged into USB on computer - if you turn it off (so as just to charge) it will turn itself back on again shortly and commence another sync.
Other than these niggles, of which the today screen is the biggest for me, I love the TyTN. By far the best PDA/Phone I have owned to date!
So - over to you guys, does your v1605 have these issues or others, or none????
Rich
My slide out keyboard down't click into place on the left side the way the right does (and also the way the wizard does). It may not be a problem now but in the future, it may begin to wear and then it might affect the function of the keys??
Are they just swapping a unit for you or exchanging the whole package? How will you know if you get a brand new set? When I switched mine on, the call timers showed outgoing 40 seconds and incoming 45 seconds. I'm not sure if this is vodafone testing the units or it's not new.
Am told I am getting a brand new unit - will check call timers as they *should* be 0-0.
Just had a play with mine and I only feel a click on the right side of the keyboard too. Feels nice and solid once it is out though - not like the xda-mini-s which feels flimsy in comparison.
R
I do not see the "E" icon even in EDGE enabled areas. I even tried the HTC Wizard icon hack hack with no success:
http://www.htcwizardweb.net/node/191
'E' appears on my v1605
3G is awesome.
rakh1 said:
Just had a play with mine and I only feel a click on the right side of the keyboard too. Feels nice and solid once it is out though - not like the xda-mini-s which feels flimsy in comparison.
R
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Thats great! was a bit worried that mine was a faulty unit. It does feel solid when sliding. It was just the lack of the "click" that bugged me.
Anyone else who received their unit had timers showing calls made and received from it? Its probably vodafone testing it. The unit is too new for any refunds/refurbs to have been made.
- some keys on the far right seem unsensitive - I keep missing O, P and L from my typing. The keys do work though...maybe it is just me.
My unit has this issue and I hope my next unit which is a brand new replacement that comes on Tuesday doesn't have this issue. My unit it is only the O that has problem which is getting better over time. I called them and they was more than happy to get a brand new unit to get sent out just want a perfect working one in my 14 day period so fingers crossed will keep you updated.
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- some keys on the far right seem unsensitive - I keep missing O, P and L from my typing. The keys do work though...maybe it is just me.
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Do you also feel a click only on the right when you slide open the keyboard? Let us know how you get on with the new unit.
Don't feel no click at all. Will keep you all updated.
UPDATE:
New unit turned up - keyboard lights now work as expected.
Still only a right side click on the keybard - so it must just be the way it is.
Today items:
Fix posted here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=329204#329204
Hope that helps - Rich
Hi guys
Peter .. the guy that got his VPA Compact III two days after me as sent it back on the 14 day returns .... He was concerned about stability. He's always struggled to come to terms with WM stability which I can understand ... so he's off back to palm and blackberry.
From my point of view - I've had one hang during operations which still worries me (I left it at the today screen fine ... and 30 mins later I noticed backlight was completely off and it was utterly un responsive - wouldn't respond to incoming calls). It also hangs occassionally of soft reset or power on (from a complete power off). It usually comes up fine on a subsequent soft reset.
I'm waiting for HTC to call me back so I can raise this as a call. It seems to happen regardless of today plugins being active (I disabled all) - I have also rebuilt with 4 phases of Sprite Backup to restore from - and the problem hasn't gone away.
I suspect it is firmware / software as opposed to hardware .... fingers crossed.
Aside from that I love it as a device .... I just wish one of you guys that has one will let me know if you have had any hangs at all and where you see them.
My keyboard light works fine. It has to be in low light and you have to press a button before it activates - just opening the keyboard in low light doesn't activate it.
Occasionally I turn the device on and it starts in landscape mode and then switches to portrait ... odd .. because I didn't switch it off in landscape.
There is an odd moulding mark where the stylus comes out on the curved recessed part of the body (right hand side). I thought it may be a crack but I'm pretty sure it's just where the plastic moulding was finished before painting. If it's not cracked I'm not bothered.
You can change the WM5 softkeys with Tweaks2k2.
One thing to remember is that rather than use the phone executable, the device originally used a :MSC call. Once removed you can't put it back with Tweaks2k2. It's not an issue because a normal link to phone is fine. If you want Calendar ... then use Tweaks2k2 to change it.
My keyboard works fine ... no sticky keys. Peter had one or two on his.
Paul.
I just wish one of you guys that has one will let me know if you have had any hangs at all and where you see them.
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No hangs here yet.....using it a lot with skype, camera, etc...
My keyboard light works fine. It has to be in low light and you have to press a button before it activates - just opening the keyboard in low light doesn't activate it.
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Yes - same here...
Occasionally I turn the device on and it starts in landscape mode and then switches to portrait ... odd .. because I didn't switch it off in landscape.
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I've not had this happen...
There is an odd moulding mark where the stylus comes out on the curved recessed part of the body
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Same here - but very feint....
Rich
Hi Rich
What are you running at the moment ?
I'm try to find out what is different between my build and yours so I can narrow down possible cause of hang.
Paul.
By the way ... my build is :
So far I have SBSH iLauncher, HandyMenu, HandSwitcher, Legato Mahjong, Billiard Master 3, Bubbleshooter, PDA Mill GameBox Classics, BeJewelled 2, 1-Calc, Phatnotes, PIEPlus, Avantgo, CO2005, Clearvue Office Pro, CPL6, FW2006, imov Messenger, NewsBreak, Resco Explorer (without the Resco Today Plugin) 5.40, Resco PhotoViewer, SBSH Pocket Breeze and Pocket Weather, Skype 2, Sprite 5.1, Tweaks2k2, PI2005, FlexMail 2.2, FlexWallet, Cabinstall, Cruxview - all installed on the MicroSD.
Aside from an apparent hang on startup last night which scared me .... I thought I'd need to hard reset but it eventually sorted itself out ... hopefully it is s/w related .... it's all going well. Did a video call with Peter last night which was fine ... first I've done and picture quality not great but usable.
3G is active and working very well. Switches mid call to 2.5g if signal drops to much, but you don't get a chattering issue (i.e. where it regularly switches between the two).
Drove from Hook to Kent with CPL6 and BT GPS yesterday and that was flawless.
Have four phases of Sprite Backup - Different levels of build - so I can decide how far back to go in the event of problems.
Circa 28 mg of program memory following sof reset
Circa 31 mg of storage memory
PB is loading PI Calendar / Tasks / Messaging / Phatnotes / Pocket Weather.
Can someone help me with my wifi problem please. I can get connected to my network ok but IE will not show any pages, it just says wrong settings. I am connected with good signal strengh and thought that i would be able to surf when on my own home network. Most of the time it serches gprs and 3g then shows the error. An idiots step through guide would be helpful. I have searched for hours but came up blank. I also need a walkthrough on how to configue vodafone MMS settings as I cant get that to work either. Customer services isnt much good as the dont really know this device yet. Thanks in advance.
Hey Paul,
I have only the followinig intalled over the base v1605:
skype2
PHM Registry Editor
Microsoft .NET CF 2.0
Aspecto Software WiFiFoFum
Handmark Monopoly
That's it......
Rich
new unit arrived and the sticking key issue is gone thank god. I hve a few things installed now and the phone is running great. I installed agile messenger beta a few minutes ago as no msn client is in the vodaphone rom and the phone looked like it crashed then a few moments later it signed into msn.
1 thing I have noticed is if I mute the volume so I get a x sign near the volune if I click around I.e start menu and click around the operating system I can hear a clicking noise. could someone else test this 4 me I am currently in a quiet room.
also noticed when using pie with keyboard slid out my view will sometimes change from landscape to portrait view and then back to normal which is strange. I am sure my faulty device did this whilst just using the operating system in general use. shed a bit of light to what I have just found is that I just put the phone down open on the case it comes with and the same thing happened it must have something to do with the magnetic metal in the case effecting the phone causing it to rotate lol well that's what I think.
No clicking sound when I mute mine. Haven't really played around with mine yet. Will install everything once I get my microsd card.
Does your phone's keyboard click into place when you slide it open and is it right side only or both? Also did you check your call timers? Are they zero or has calls been made before receiving it?
Just got my TyTN
and all i got was a lousy keyboard..
got the bad keys on my unit. Waiting for response from HTC distributor, but they halted all sales of it until resolved. There are a lot of phones with bad keyboard.
But apart from that it seems to work fine - like the Jasjar in a smaller package.
But I liked the keyboard on my I-mate k-jam a lot better.
My first one had a few keys that weren't great, t, del and spacebar. This one is good for the keyboard. But....my screen is loosing calibration all the time again which is why I was given a replacement. Moves so that it is totaly unusable! Is anyone else experiencing it? If you are not is it a Voadafone one or something else. I've told Vodafone that I'd like another one out of a different batch and they said that they will extend my exchange period for a couple of weeks until some new ones come in. Might call HTC to see if it is a known "feature". Other than that I'm still totally happy with the device and it is much better at memory handling thn the Exec ever was, It never seems to drop below 22mb of program memory after having opened and closed programs for a clouple of days. The exec would have dropped to 17 by the end of the first.
Phil
hi guys,
just got my Dopod 838 pro(TyTN)...and I love it. however I notice the screen brightness is not as bright as my o2 atom. even with the brightness turned all the way up in the settings. however I noticed that when I press the camera button the screen brightness increases for a second (to the same as my atom). but the when I close the camera the screen dims back again. seeing this lets me know that the screen does have the capabilities to be turned brighter then is allowed through the settings. does anyone know a reg hack or a trick so that I can turn the screen brightness up? does everyone else notice that the screen brightness goes up when the camera button is pressed? or is this a hardware issue? thanks for the help guys!
I've not tried it on Hermes, but VJLumos II takes advantage of the extra brightness that occurs when the camera is enabled, to make a super brite screen. This works on the Magician, and can be enabled on the Universal but not disabled until soft reset (I've not been motivated to finish writing the Universal's version.)
If the Hermes exhibits this same characteristic, VJLumos II might work on it. Give it a go and let me know.
V
Hi Vijay555 yeah i was actually on your site and ive heard alot about VJLumos II. But I thought it was only compatible with the Magician. Do you think there is any risk of it Hard resteting my 838pro(Hermes)? Anything else i should know before installing it? Does it work 100% correct on the magician? Please let me know!
Thanks!
Works 100% on the Magician, and the active part works on the Universal.
Basically it mimicks the camera and causes it to be activated, causing the extra brightness.
I can't guarantee 100%, but say 99% that it can't hardreset your device (without having the device in front of me I can't say...)
It'll either work or not work, it shouldn't interact with anything else.
I'd be interested to get a Hermes rom dump at some point to see what it's like. It's a great piece of hardware, I'm wondering how to get one now I've jumped ship to the Mio!
V
yeah the hermes is great. Ok well i guess i will be the guinea pig and test it out on my device...haha i hope nothing happens. Ill install it in a few hours and let you know what happens. If i need to remove it will it just uninstall?
By the way is the a reg hack that can do this also?
There's no registry setting I know of that will do this, but there might well be; however, as I said, VJLumos does this by interacting with the hardware in an unexpected way, so it's unlikely to be replicated in the registry.
I think you can run VJLumos in stand alond mode, without installing (which will cause it to be enabled every time you switch on). Just run it in stand alone mode to test it out.
V
Hi all,
I'll also try with Wizard,should I or not?
Any effect on battery life. I mean is it more than max of hardware brightness
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There's no registry setting I know of that will do this, but there might well be; however, as I said, VJLumos does this by interacting with the hardware in an unexpected way, so it's unlikely to be replicated in the registry.
I think you can run VJLumos in stand alond mode, without installing (which will cause it to be enabled every time you switch on). Just run it in stand alone mode to test it out.
V
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Hi Vijay, what do you mean run it in stand alone mode?
fordcan: I'm sure that it doesn't work on the Wizard, if it did then I would have written VJCandela for it as well. Not right now, and not until I get a wizard in my hands (all you new Hermes guys, if you find yourself with a spare Wizard, I can give it a good home!)
phame: if you just double click on the VJLumosII icon, it'll enable superbrite once. If you click on the -install icon it will try to enable it every run.
Like I said, it's not written fully for WM5 yet, because I never used my Universal as my main phone, and frankly the screen was bright enough. The magician benefited from it, but hopefully any HTC phone that exhibits the curious camera loading/screen brighter thing might benefit from it.
However, for now, as I said, it's not fully debugged for WM5. But test it, and if it works, I'll try to make some time to fix it. The problem is that it will only work the first time, not every time you run it. Hopefully easily fixable.. But it won't do any damage.
I presume it will drain the battery faster, since screen is brighter, but if you use it in bursts or recharge daily, it shouldn't be an issue. I never used my Magician without it, and it was fine after 1 year.
V
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fordcan: I'm sure that it doesn't work on the Wizard, if it did then I would have written VJCandela for it as well. Not right now, and not until I get a wizard in my hands (all you new Hermes guys, if you find yourself with a spare Wizard, I can give it a good home!)
Like I said, it's not written fully for WM5 yet, because I never used my Universal as my main phone, and frankly the screen was bright enough. The magician benefited from it, but hopefully any HTC phone that exhibits the curious camera loading/screen brighter thing might benefit from it.
V
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thanx for the reply,
I a bit confused; you are telling "doesn't work on Wizard" and at the same time "any HTC phone that exhibits the curious camera loading/screen brighter thing might benefit from it " Wizard got this..
curiosity kill the cat :wink: Better try and see issue :idea:
fordcan:
Sorry, it might benefit from the technique, not necessarily this version.
Like VJCandela, I have to have a Wizard in my hands to experiment with the camera driver. It'll be easy to write once I've got the device in my hands, but I can't test it.
It shouldn't do any harm, since it'll probably just not be able to find the correct camera driver on the Wizard. But give it a go and tell me if it does anything.
I never knew that the Wizard has this screen brightening effect
V
Absolutely not working.. tells; "Can't load Superbrite Libraries!"
Anyway "Trying times are no time to quit trying"
Ok i downloaded the cab file, copied it to my memory card and executed the file. And it worked perfectly instantly the screen brightness went up. And it didnt seem to be causing any type of slow down or problems.
When i click the camera button i just get an error message which sais "the camera app is already in use". But luckliy no soft reset.
However i couldnt find how to turn it off. It doesnt show up in the list of "running programs"
so far the way i launched it was by just clicking in the icon. Can you please tell me how to do the "-install" thing you were talking about?
and how do i shut it off if i want to use th camera? At the moment i can only do a soft reset for it to turn off.
Thanks!
You should have a bunch of shorcuts installed in yor startmenu.
Launching VJLumosII with parameters -off will disable it, clicking -install will install it so it's run every time it's switched on.
However, I've not tested the -install option on WM5 so let me know if it works appopriately. I'll get around to reweriting it eventually.
V
i tried clicking the short cut to shut it off. But i get an error message saying something about the application being corrupt. So to diable it i still have to soft reset. Im scared to install the app in fears that the remove shortcut may not work
Also ive noticed the battery drains about 30% faster with the app running.
any ideas?
As I've said, it only half works on anything other then the Magician. I'll fix it sometime as a priority - I just got a Hermes, and have to say that the screen is a bit "meh", not as bright as a Mio 701 or Magician. Washed out colours and poorer viewing angle. Superbrite is necessary, not optional
V
I've just switched from a Prophet to Magician. Couldn't stand the slowness of WM5, especially with some big database software I use. The only thing I miss is the Prophet's screen brightness (OK, battery life was great too) so I was really pleased to find vjlumosII. The only downside I've run into is that it adds about 3 seconds to the power up time when I press the power button on my Jam. I've not seen this mentioned elsewhere. Is this a normal effect of the software?
Do you see the slowness on the Magician or the Prophet?
On my Magician I never noticed it.
I just wrote a new kinda app yesterday for low level hacking, and will see if I can apply this to VJLumos. Hopefully some new ish updates coming soon - however, I am using my time well I hope. I'm writing a new website, hence the slow progress on programming.
V
For the Hermes, see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=279365
V
vjay
Vijay,
I've only used vjlumosII on the Magician. The Prophet is the first PDA/phone with a screen that was as bright as I'd want, so I never tried vjlumosII on it.
The delay on my JAM (the 128MB RAM version) is not subtle. It takes a full 3 sec for the phone to come on after you press the power button. The same thing happens if you push any other button to turn on the phone. There doesn't seem to be any delay in the phone coming on if it is awakened by recieving an incoming call. When I turn off vjlumosII the power up delay disappears.
Also the screen brightness initially doesn't come on at maximum. It takes another 2 seconds to boost up.
Thanks.
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Do you see the slowness on the Magician or the Prophet?
On my Magician I never noticed it.
I just wrote a new kinda app yesterday for low level hacking, and will see if I can apply this to VJLumos. Hopefully some new ish updates coming soon - however, I am using my time well I hope. I'm writing a new website, hence the slow progress on programming.
V
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Hey guys,
This forum has been wonderful for me so I thought I would pass along my own personal experience with a couple of items.
First 'the Clip' case - great - I love mine. For those that have had concerns about the main home/back/menu/search buttons not being lighted, the clip is perfect for helping to find these keys. If you insert your tablet camera up (not upside down to uncover the usb port), the right hand clip is the perfect tactile way to find menu (just above) and back (just below). A good way to navigate these buttons in darker settings.
Second - the static/hissing/white noise problem people have experienced. I know several people have indicated it is a hardware problem and to replace your tablet, that was not an option for me as it did not start until after the 30 day return period. I have found, however, that if you set your screen to NEVER sleep and instead use the power buton to put the screen to sleep, it cuts down on the occurences significantly. Additionally, if it does happen (it has happened twice in the last week), it recovers for itself. You get the noise for ONLY the existing sound that is supposed to be playing and the next sound (whether it is a feedback sound, a notification, etc), it will have corrected itself. At least that's what my experience has been.
To all the developers out there (and especially roebeet) - thanks for everything, I love this tablet due to your hard work. I am running TnT lite 4.2.5 and am very happy with it.
how do you get the screen to never sleep?
Go to settings, display, screen timeout and set to never.
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Second - the static/hissing/white noise problem people have experienced. I know several people have indicated it is a hardware problem and to replace your tablet, that was not an option for me as it did not start until after the 30 day return period. I have found, however, that if you set your screen to NEVER sleep and instead use the power buton to put the screen to sleep, it cuts down on the occurences significantly. Additionally, if it does happen (it has happened twice in the last week), it recovers for itself. You get the noise for ONLY the existing sound that is supposed to be playing and the next sound (whether it is a feedback sound, a notification, etc), it will have corrected itself. At least that's what my experience has been.
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I understand you in regard of this XD i've been having this sound problem, but bought mine overseas (i'm from Chile) and my brother threw the boxing into the trash, so doubt that there is a cheap way to replace mine .
Do you prefer some ROM in particular? Now i'm toying with VEGAn 7, but i can't play more than 2 or 3 mp3 songs without getting sound off, i'll try your "fix" to see if the situation improves
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Go to settings, display, screen timeout and set to never.
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hmm.. I guess VeganTAB 5.1.1 doesn't have that option.. bummer..
i had to change the tablet language to english to find that option for some reason
I'm running CM 7.0.3, and I'm having massive proximity sensor issues, t the point where the phone is becoming unusable. If I'm in a call and I don't manually shut the screen off, the following happens (constantly):
I'll feel some haptic feedback on my ear, and my voice will mute. When I look at the screen, the lock screen is up and when I unlock it, it's at the dialer screen. I'm not hitting the mute or hold button with my ear, it seems like once it gets away from the call screen, my voice is muted.
Needless to say, this is getting massively annoying. Later tonight I'm going to try to see if using a Sense based rom fixes this, but I'd much rather stick with CM. Has anyone else experienced this?
I believe there is another post on this.. you can also Google search for inspire proximity sensor adjustment - someone created an app to adjust the sensor
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The thread in question:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062561
EDIT: I haven't used the proximity sensor adjustment application that's linked in the thread as mine is working normally. If it doesn't work there's a possibility the sensor's faulty and should be replaced (I recently went through this whole thing with my old iphone 4).
Yeah, to be honest, I tried that app and it didn't seem to make much difference. I'll try calling HTC
Flashed to a sense based ROM, and the sensor seems to be working fine. Very odd, to be honest. I will say that after using AOSP for so long, I have no idea how you guys deal with Sense at all.
Well, now I have to decide: I can live with Sense, or I can ship my phone back to HTC and be without a device for 2 weeks. Going to try out the proximity sensor app again, but it didn't seem like any setting made a difference, but it could be that I just don't know what I'm doing with it.
Check under Settings>Call Settings and put a check mark in the "Always use proximity" box. It says it's to help with prox. sensor screen locking when the phone is horizontal, but the CM7-based ROM that I was using showed the same issues and I fixed my particular issue by checking that box.
Tested with a few calls and the screen is definitely shutting off when the phone is standing or lying down.
I read up on the proximity app, and I think I have it calibrated properly at 5/6. It certainly helps, but it's definitely not perfect. Night, thanks for the advice, but yeah, that option has been checked from the start. At least the issue is tolerable now, before it would do this 10 times per call.
Funny - mine was calibrated at 10/11 by default and works pretty well. Try going up to those values. I used a local time/temperature number here, and it worked well when my finger got 1/8" or so from the phone. While I admittedly haven't measured the depth of my ear or anything, it does seem to be working well at those settings.
I think the upper threshold is where you may want to adjust. From my playing with that app, changing the lower threshold too high will make it ignore things too close to the phone and so will an upper threshold that is too low. Try lower 5, upper 11 and see what happens. Anything between lower and upper apparently triggers the sensor. (<<< speculation without documentation)
So now lets talk real world experience of the phone interface
When it blanks the phone buttons seem to operate...
I mean a number of occasions I have lost people because I have mysteriously put them on hold...with the phone to my ear.
People are always complaining to me that I am quiet even though the phone is in the correct place on my face and incall volume is at max
Often I cannot pick up calls ...I hit the answer icon to no avail...if I flick it upscreen it works but pressing the icon is only recognised intermittently
What is it like for you?
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So now lets talk real world experience of the phone interface
When it blanks the phone buttons seem to operate...
I mean a number of occasions I have lost people because I have mysteriously put them on hold...with the phone to my ear.
People are always complaining to me that I am quiet even though the phone is in the correct place on my face and incall volume is at max
Often I cannot pick up calls ...I hit the answer icon to no avail...if I flick it upscreen it works but pressing the icon is only recognised intermittently
What is it like for you?
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have to tried to factory data reset the phone to see if that helps?
This is called the incall/proximity sensor issue and the reasons have not yet been found by xda people.
There are few fixing attempts available though which involve different strategies.
Someone lately suggested to the ViperOne team to make a tweak that allows for automatically locking the phone on call pick up as a permanent workaround fix. There was no developer response on this yet though. Its a good idea though.
The same sensor is causing another issue which is quite frustrating. On some occasions the normal method of simulated battery pull (press power for more than 15 seconds to force reboot) does not do anything unless shining a really bright light into the sensor. Apparently the prox sensor, not the light sensor.
It seems there are a few units out there which have issues with this sensor.
Another theory is that its jut the user tilting the phone until it recognizes landscape orientation and then the sensor is switched off...