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RC30 SPL Eng Bootloader NBH

I wanted to ask a simple question do we know if the NBH updates are signed or not?
I am working on a hybrid to get root back on RC30s phones.
Please if anybody knows the answer to this.
(I have something done already but dont have any stock rc30s to test with.
The file changes are good and the nbh works as modified however it works on an engeniring bootloader because it doesn't check signatures. humbug
http://rapidshare.com/files/176990405/DreamIMGTest.html

From what it sounds like they are signed, by htc themselves. But I have a stock rc30 and I'll try it.

Freaking rapidshare is slow uploading now.

afbcamaro said:
I wanted to ask a simple question do we know if the NBH updates are signed or not?
I am working on a hybrid to get root back on RC30s phones.
Please if anybody knows the answer to this.
(I have something done already but dont have any stock rc30s to test with.
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I would be happy to test. I have a couple of stock rc30s that can be used.

afbcamaro said:
I wanted to ask a simple question do we know if the NBH updates are signed or not?
I am working on a hybrid to get root back on RC30s phones.
Please if anybody knows the answer to this.
(I have something done already but dont have any stock rc30s to test with.
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The first 256 bytes of the nbh is the signature.

JesusFreke said:
The first 256 bytes of the nbh is the signature.
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so question to you....if we know where the signature is, would there be a way to apply the signature to an NBH that we create? if creating one is possible.

Sure, you can change the signature, but how are you going to generate it? Do you have the keys from HTC? If not, might as well give up now

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so question to you....if we know where the signature is, would there be a way to apply the signature to an NBH that we create? if creating one is possible.
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Don't think you quite understand how signatures are created. You can't just toss a signature off one Android version on to another.

Damn I see the signature!!
A mute point then here is the file anyways.
http://rapidshare.com/files/176990405/DreamIMGTest.html
The file changes are good and the nbh works as modified however it works on an engeniring bootloader because it doesn't check signatures humbug

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Don't think you quite understand how signatures are created. You can't just toss a signature off one Android version on to another.
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i do understand that, just some tiny bit of hope...i know that signatures are based on filesize and name and content and all that.....

What about swapping sd cards when the signature is read?
Just an idea.

It seems the bloody bootloader dumps the files straight into RAM before it flashes them making the sd swap impossible or at least difficult. It seems the next step is jtag, but this will not be within the realm of the average user or even advanced user.
Freaking T-mobile and HTC, I really hate their signing crap. They should have at least made the bootloader not read freaking signature hashes.
Im still looking at the file itself to see if their can be any exploits. The bootloader is closed source so there is no way to know easily when the check is actually done, or the update process itself handled

afbcamaro said:
Freaking T-mobile and HTC, I really hate their signing crap. They should have at least made the bootloader not read freaking signature hashes.
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Let's try to keep the heated opinions to a minimum. Google has already clearly stated that locked root is working as intended for the G1 as per HTC and T-Mo's specifications. This forum is for discussing active development issues, not debating the merits of Android implementation on Dream.

My friend trust me I AM actively working towards development on this device. I don't however need a father lecture on it (especially on a silly comment). I understand T-mobiles and Googles position and respect it. I understand how you feel and it would be well warranted if you were talking with a newbie that does nothing towards xda-developers goals, i however Im not.
If I decide to vent lightly then that is my prerogative, i am not debating anything here simply a frustrated rant since ive been working all day of and on, on this.
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Anyways..
Has anybody started to trace for jtags yet?

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Anyways..
Has anybody started to trace for jtags yet?
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That's a little early don't you think? I don't want to solder my precious phone. It's all big corporations' fault.
Stupid T-Mobile.

LOL @ coolbho3000
Damn corporations
Thank you for taking things lightly and having fun!

I believe jashsu posted a diagram or pic showing the disassembled view of the device and possible points of attack. I don't think either of you meant any harm in your posts but text doesn't quite relay emotion properly. Great work by you both and please keep posting in these forums as I look forward to both of your contributions and appreciate what you've already done.

ashslay
Thank you for your understanding
Im looking at my phone right now disasembled. lets see what we can get
Thanks again

afbcamaro said:
It seems the bloody bootloader dumps the files straight into RAM before it flashes them making the sd swap impossible or at least difficult. It seems the next step is jtag, but this will not be within the realm of the average user or even advanced user.
Freaking T-mobile and HTC, I really hate their signing crap. They should have at least made the bootloader not read freaking signature hashes.
Im still looking at the file itself to see if their can be any exploits. The bootloader is closed source so there is no way to know easily when the check is actually done, or the update process itself handled
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are you good at ARM assembly (or any other cpu assembly is fine, once you know one, you know all ) and do you have a good understanding of how overflow etc exploits works - if yes, PM me it would be nice to work together.

Creating a Downloadable "root kit" for the Market

I was just thinking... someone could write up an application that does the following:
It verifies you are running RC29. If not, it directs you to the sticky post on xda-developers (or sends you an email with the link).
The application contains a modified/rooted recovery image.
The application tells the user to type "telnetd" + enter.
Once telnetd is running, it telnets into localhost and automatically remounts the /system partition, and replaces the recovery image.
For noobs, it would trivialize a lot of the difficulty of rooting.
I'm pretty busy porting native applications and Mono to work with Android (almost done though!) but wanted to just throw this idea out there for someone else to pick up.
I can also provide source code for my Telnet client that is currently used to do the rooting. That would make a good starting point.

Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did

Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.

I think this would be VERY helpful for those ignorant idiots who post on root-only apps and rate them down because they don't know how to operate Google.
Also, I think it should include an option to download the DREAMIMG.NBH file and put it in the root so that RC30 users can downgrade.
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Its a good idea, though whether it makes it onto the market is another question. If u want root bad enough, then u should be able to figure it out through the threads here like i did
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The thing is, this is exactly why the Android market is supposed to be better than the AppStore. There is no "official approval" process. Apps can get taken down if they are malicious, but as long as a developer has paid their $25, their apps can go straight to the Market.

I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.

rsfaze said:
I think we are all dreaming that an application like this would ever hit the market. I'm not saying it's a bad idea but think about what we putting in front of EVERYONE that owns a G1.
Do you really think everyone that owns a G1 should be trusted with root access?
What happens when the first application that comes to market place exploits root access and really does some damage/malicious to your precious G1.
I'd suggest rethinking this one.
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Root access is protected by Superuser.

Koush said:
Root access is protected by Superuser.
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I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?

rsfaze said:
I get that which is a nice feature, but I thought Superuser is only available in JF images. I don't recall having an application on my stock RC30 called Superuser and it's not found in market place.
What did I miss?
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It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates

korndub said:
It was on the market for a while. Now its incorporated into the jf updates
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ah then I retract all previous statements dam newbs always spouting off thinking they know everything

"root kit" is kind of an unfortunate name, don't ya think ;-)
Also, it seems like Google could certainly pull the download for violating Dev Distribution Agreement Section 4.4:
Prohibited Actions. You agree that you will not engage in any activity with the Market, including the development or distribution of Products, that interferes with, disrupts, damages, or accesses in an unauthorized manner the devices, servers, networks, or other properties or services of any third party including, but not limited to, Android Users, Google or any mobile network operator.
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Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?

jashsu said:
Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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I'd cancel my account

So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.

danguyf said:
So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.
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if they are too scared they shouldn't have root in the first place. You won't understand what Superuser is truly asking of you and give the wrong application permission then Tmobile will have an influx of calls about "damaged phones."
Busy people have friends like us that can always barter something out of them, just add to the long list of favors.

danguyf said:
So just post the app online without putting it on the Market.
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My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.

jashsu said:
My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.
...just my $0.02.
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i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written

coolbho3000 said:
Even better, it automatically grabs an RC29 NBH from a server, saves it to SD, verifies the SD is FAT32, verifies its hash, renames it to DREAIMG.NBH and instructs the user to boot into bootloader mode.
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It might even be possible to do a force reboot into bootloader. I know how to force-reboot into recovery, but I'm not sure if a similar method can force-reboot into the bootloader.

F the market, its a place for kids to hang out and yell "First" when their 3rd. What joke the Market has been. Cant get an honest review anymore, its all about Obama, gays, being first, and lack of "good games". Nobody even cares that the app says "this is only a test, you probably shouldnt download it", they do and leave bad reviews. Idiots.
If something like this comes to fruition, make them come HERE for it, so their asses can be banned for being chilish

jashsu said:
Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that?
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If i had a nickel for every noob that spammed the board right now...

I really like the idea of putting it all in one complete package with as little user input as possible, but I don't think that the Android Market would be a suitable place to put it. People who don't even know what root is shouldn't have it offered to them. They should at least have to know enough to Google "root on android" and maybe be lead to one of our threads containing the link to this kit. If it goes on the market I would suggest not branding it in any way.
I support the root package idea in any case.

korndub said:
i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written
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One of the issues for some people is that there *are* a lot of posts. To get from point A to point B I had to read through one sticky on how to downgrade to RC29, complete with many pages of replies in order to get a handle on possible problems and solutions, then another sticky on flashing to modified recovery image so that I could find how to install the test keys, then another stick on upgrading to JF1.3, again with many pages of replies with potential errors and solutions, and then I realized I hadn't done the engineering bootloader yet so I had to find another sticky to read through.
I did it, and it was easy, but, wanting to be safe, I had to spend several hours paging through stickies in order to make sure I had a good grasp on the whole picture.
I would not have minded having the process automated a bit. I know what I'm doing and I could have used that time for other things.
Additionally, I think it would cut down on questions from n00bs going step-by-step through stickies and making basic errors. Because right now they're still going to go through the stickies and make dumb mistakes and ask the same questions, and of that only a small fraction will understand what they're doing and take an interest in how bootloaders and recovery images work and become the sort of users that should have root.
As it is now, I don't see the stickies as being much of a barrier to entry for those who don't know what they're doing and might brick their phones. They're doing it anyway. Might as well give them something to do it for them so they don't brick the phone right off the bat, and don't flood forums with posts about encountering errors cause by typing errors.
Just my $0.02!

[RUU] RUU_Hero_C_Sprint_2.20.651.1_signed_test | Android 2.1

Here is a link to the latest RUU from Sprint.
You cannot simply extract it. This still has root since it is a test release. I recommend just doing an adb pull of your system directory after you flash it. Don't do this when the final one comes out or else you might be stuck without root.
You will need to add busybox, patch sh and su, and make sure that you do another recovery image and such. I also recommend adding Superuser.apk and stuff. If you use the Desire build.prop, you can get most of the protected apps working.
Enjoy.
http://dl.damagedroms.com/2.0/RUU_Hero_C_Sprint_2.20.651.1_signed_test.exe
Leak, I know who you are.

welcome back

damageless said:
Here is a link to the latest RUU from Sprint.
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I would just like to say how hilarious this would be if it were a virus.....

glad to see you stay!

lattiboy said:
I would just like to say how hilarious this would be if it were a virus.....
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alright come on enough with the jokes.

Thanks damageless, much appreciated
Love all your work here

this was posted on the other thread before it was deleted...but, is there any advantage with an RUU release vs a the reg custom rom update.zips for the average user (i.eone who just flashes roms)?

ajaholic said:
this was posted on the other thread before it was deleted...but, is there any advantage with an RUU release vs a the reg custom rom update.zips for the average user (i.eone who just flashes roms)?
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A Test RUU is useless to someone that is not a Dev.

DJAscendance said:
A Test RUU is useless to someone that is not a Dev.
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exactly. for it to even work you need to know how to
add busybox, patch sh and su, and make sure that you do another recovery image and such.
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sorry to be a noob here but this may be the final 2.1 sprint release? god i hope so because when i get my replacement hero next week id love to have a fully functional 2.1 rom to flash to.

smoother2010 said:
sorry to be a noob here but this may be the final 2.1 sprint release? god i hope so because when i get my replacement hero next week id love to have a fully functional 2.1 rom to flash to.
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I hope NOT ..there is still alot of bugs in this .....

DJAscendance said:
A Test RUU is useless to someone that is not a Dev.
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Anyone with a few hours, moderate computer literacy and google at their disposal could turn this into an update.zip

damageless, I appreciate your forthcoming with this... I do find it to be very unfortunate the circumstances under which this had to be released. Regardless whether you intend to remain involved with this community or not, best of luck.

Glad you stayed Damage. For the record i do not give a crap about the RUU i WANT YOUR ROMS.

Leak, I know who you are.
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;-)
tenchars

Damage, Glad to see you back and hope you stay. You have always been honest and forthright about the leaked RUU and why you wouldn't/couldn't release to everybody. It is so rare to run across somebody who embodies the highest qualities of honesty, integrity, loyalty, and generosity. You have shown that by sharing your information and talent with the community to help troubleshoot and refine the 2.1 update.
It is an atrocity that a few jealous ingrates have managed to destroy this and future opportunities. This is what happens when people expect everything handed to them, without having to work for or earn it. Whatever happened to personal responsibility, your word being your bond, helping someone just because they need it, not because you can get something from it, honor and integrity?? Welcome to the new America..........
Anyways, I hope you stay and continue your great work, if not, I understand that as well.....................
And to the leak........remember, no deed goes unpunished...................

chfields said:
Damage, Glad to see you back and hope you stay. You have always been honest and forthright about the leaked RUU and why you wouldn't/couldn't release to everybody. It is so rare to run across somebody who embodies the highest qualities of honesty, integrity, loyalty, and generosity. You have shown that by sharing your information and talent with the community to help troubleshoot and refine the 2.1 update.
It is an atrocity that a few jealous ingrates have managed to destroy this and future opportunities. This is what happens when people expect everything handed to them, without having to work for or earn it. Whatever happened to personal responsibility, your word being your bond, helping someone just because they need it, not because you can get something from it, honor and integrity?? Welcome to the new America..........
Anyways, I hope you stay and continue your great work, if not, I understand that as well.....................
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Ok, first off, lets say I have respect for the man.
Second, get off his nuts, and third he was most likely approached by someone who leaked the files to him in exchange for anonymity. He didn't work for them any harder than anyone else. He got boned for being trusting. It sucks and ruined a good thing for the rest of us!.

obelisk79 said:
Ok, first off, lets say I have respect for the man.
Second, get off his nuts, and third he was most likely approached by someone who leaked the files to him in exchange for anonymity. He didn't work for them any harder than anyone else. He got boned for being trusting. It sucks and ruined a good thing for the rest of us!.
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"Get off his nuts."
Yeah a whole lot of respect.

Did I miss something? What happened to Damage???

lattiboy said:
I would just like to say how hilarious this would be if it were a virus.....
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+10000000
lmao!!!

[Q] Whens a non-dev root coming for sens.

Hey there anyone has any estimates on when the s-off, root and etc for general public will be out, not sure about how many bugs/glitches does the dev. version have...
Regards, SM

It's been stable and working. They may as well not call this a dev release.
Sent from my HTC Sensation Z710e

No issues
I think the disclaimer for the dev only thing was probably a safe guard to make sure the repercussions weren't severe if things didn't pan out! However everything works great for me... I just reflashed my stock RUU after and re-rooted and put on CWM and now my phone is slick and debloated! I donated because as far as I am concerned they can't improve upon perfect!

the reason why i asked is becasue this is my first time i ever dealt with HTC "rooting" wanted to make sure i dont run into much issues during the process, any pointers? besides the guide?
I still can't post questions on the dev thread since im fairly new....

Simplicity is the key
Just don't get worried that is all! Make sure you feel comfortable with the procedure prior to attempting it, but rest assured this is quite possibly the easiest S-Off/Root procedure around... no goldcard, no nothing! It literally does everything for you! So just stick to the guide, don't deviate, and never panic and jerk the cord from your phone! Then again I don't really think you can brick, but if I understand correctly S-Off is in the Radio and quite simply put if the Radio gets messed up the phone gets messed up!
Again if the phone seems fine to you, then you may not want to do it right now... the ROMs are just starting to come out of the kitchens and are young right now so holding off might be advisable or at least until you feel comfortable to play around with your phone!

I appreciate the tips glitzbd, when it comes to "rooting" as in iphone would that be considered jailbreaking ? And how does it interact with applications, allows you to rip apps for free?

SirMario87 said:
I appreciate the tips glitzbd, when it comes to "rooting" as in iphone would that be considered jailbreaking ? And how does it interact with applications, allows you to rip apps for free?
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It doesn't allow you to get free app's but along with s-off, gives you pretty much total control over the phone and allows app's that are made specifically for rooted devices to run on the phone, i.e. Titanium backup and also to flash custom rom's.

cjm1979 said:
It doesn't allow you to get free app's but along with s-off, gives you pretty much total control over the phone and allows app's that are made specifically for rooted devices to run on the phone, i.e. Titanium backup and also to flash custom rom's.
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I see, thanx alot, out of curiosity, are the HTCs able to be hacked where you would be able to download apps that are not free, for free.
(my fist HTC device)

SirMario87 said:
I see, thanx alot, out of curiosity, are the HTCs able to be hacked where you would be able to download apps that are not free, for free.
(my fist HTC device)
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Not that I know of and I wouldn't ask too much about how to do it or where to get them from on here as the moderator's are pretty strict about it.
There are websites that provide them if you have a google though.

cjm1979 said:
Not that I know of and I wouldn't ask too much about how to do it or where to get them from on here as the moderator's are pretty strict about it.
There are websites that provide them if you have a google though.
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I see i must have mistaken this forum as a more hack oriented forum....

SirMario87 said:
I see i must have mistaken this forum as a more hack oriented forum....
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LOL stealing paid apps = bad and majority of the websites that offer paid apps for free also offer identity theft,spam and trojans for your device to enjoy....BUY THE APPS man!!!!!!!!! not many things in life are FREE

SirMario87 said:
I see i must have mistaken this forum as a more hack oriented forum....
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It is for hacking / developing, but not for hacking paid app's / warez.

cjm1979 said:
It is for hacking / developing, but not for hacking paid app's / warez.
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You can tell im a long time Warez member Warez FTW!!!
But i appreciate the heads up fellas thanks!

[Q] Tegra Zone Shield APK? The app that launches with the shield button.

Anyone got a copy of that? With a shield the app that launches when you hit the shield button I need that exact app.
Looking to try spoofing tegra in my nexus 4 to try streaming with a normal controller
Thanks!

I hope someone makes this happen, due to it streaming I can't see hardware being a limitation.

It could be like the Ouya framework though... Dependent on the actual device.
Sent from my TouchPad using xda app-developers app

I sure hope someone will be able to release the APK. I would be interested in using it on my Galaxy S3.

It's not the same as the TegraZone already on the Play store?

Furyus said:
It's not the same as the TegraZone already on the Play store?
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No, it is not. And while I can't speak too much about it, it's not just a side-load onto any device. So don't be holding your breath about someone uploading the APK and getting all the features running this week.

right....because it sooo hard to make rudimentary changes to a launcher.

The APK is called Dashboard.apk. It resides in /system/app and can be launched as a normal app.

?? Then why did you say the opposite not 2 posts ago?

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
right....because it sooo hard to make rudimentary changes to a launcher.
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Let me know when you get this working, since you love trolling. One of us has been helping everyone to the largest extent they can. The other is just demanding a bunch of stuff since he doesn't want to buy one himself.
I will personally post the full system image tonight if it isn't already uploaded by then. And you can go to town, I'm seriously curious about how much you can get working this week, since its obviously so easy.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
?? Then why did you say the opposite not 2 posts ago?
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It won't do anything. It will crash on another device.
Sent from my HTC One using XDA Premium HD app

You're the one going around posting false information. And asking for a system dump is not "demanding a bunch of stuff".
If you want to get into a pissing match about who's done more to help the XDA community, you're gonna lose. I've done alot more than post some roms for the EVO 3D. If anyone's a troll here its you.

And 20x more people have found my comments helpful. So you're still trolling. What false info have I given?

Unlike you i'm not a thanks whore, and the thanks meter wasn't even implemented when I started posting on XDA. I have released numerous firmware images and sbf files that would otherwise have not been obtainable, saving countless devices in the process(See the technician only Xoom recovery file that was the only way to restore a bricked Xoom for months after release). That's a little more important to me than some likes.
Oh and False info? You just said not a few moments ago it runs like a normal app.

Now now boys, calm down.
I must admit I am on legions side on most of his points so far. This is a community forum for the general public and what we do here is Share and Mod. I do believe "agrabren" that as you are part of the Nvidia team you don't want to see parts of your product ported and such, but the product is now in the hands of the user and so now it is up to us what we do with our purchases.
Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk 2

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
Oh and False info? You just said not a few moments ago it runs like a normal app.
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It didn't occur to me that I might need to explain that in more detail, but in hind-sight, it does need clarification. What I mean, and meant from the beginning, is that the framework doesn't issue any "magic" to launch that app. There's no special "back-door" entry into that APK which makes it work on the device, nor is the Intent anyway modified. My natural instinct is to distrust every aspect of a system app that doesn't sideload correctly. In this case, I gave extra insight into areas of attack on getting the APK to load on other devices by eliminating one method a company could use for an app that has a special method of launch (the center button on the device).
So my statement, properly clarified, is that the APK itself has nothing special about it in regards to Intent launching or its AndroidManifest.xml, but that without some efforts with other components, will not run directly on another device, especially one based on a non-Tegra device.

poo-tang said:
Now now boys, calm down.
I must admit I am on legions side on most of his points so far. This is a community forum for the general public and what we do here is Share and Mod. I do believe "agrabren" that as you are part of the Nvidia team you don't want to see parts of your product ported and such, but the product is now in the hands of the user and so now it is up to us what we do with our purchases.
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Great, except I've actually been trying to help most people with most parts of ROM sharing and modding. I've already said that I'm going to post the OTA1 system and boot images, in their official entirety, as well as I'll probably post a rooted version as well. I've been helping people prevent bricking their devices.
If you'd rather I just go away, I'm happy to. But I wouldn't expect anyone else from NVIDIA to be reaching out to get CM10.2 up and running on this device, or to get a custom recovery up and running quickly. I've never objected to him getting the system image, I'm all for it being uploaded and even promised to do so. I'm trying to help clarify what will work easily and what won't. I even answered the question that nobody else had, the APK he's asking for (because he didn't know the name of it) is Dashboard.apk, and it resides in /system/app. His contributions right now to the SHIELD forums on XDA are: Give me the system image, give me some APKs that may be on the device! That rubs me the wrong way as a person who has spent plenty of time developing ROMs for different phones, helping fix kernels for multiple CM-supported devices, and who has *always* fought for companies to give to the community. Unlockable bootloader? Yeah, I was part of that push. I'm trying my best to get as much source as possible made public.
Maybe I came off poorly in this thread (because this was after the thread asking for an apk that has only been demoed at tradeshows and special press meetings). So I'm sorry if I came off wrong, but while everyone else is helping each other out, he's just demanding stuff.

I what world do you live in that posting a thread asking for a system image and a possibly pre-loaded app qualifies as "demanding stuff"? Why should I have to have done anything to be worthy of your approval to post such a thread?
There is a huge conflict of interest with you both working for Nvidia and unofficially releasing official firmware and hacks, so frankly no, I don't trust you being involved in this devices xda development.

LegionTHEFecalExcretion said:
I what world do you live in that posting a thread asking for a system image and a possibly pre-loaded app qualifies as "demanding stuff"? Why should I have to have done anything to be worthy of your approval to post such a thread?
There is a huge conflict of interest with you both working for Nvidia and unofficially releasing official firmware and hacks, so frankly no, I don't trust you being involved in this devices xda development.
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So a guy who doesn't own the device is not going to trust ROMs I make for a device he doesn't own. Oops, no loss to me. You can go back to trolling, I'm done with your thread. You have your system image and boot image in either manner you want it.

Oops, my bad. It wasn't your thread, you just came into this thread to troll me. My mistake.
Raptor, if you check in the Android Development section, you'll find the system images. I'd suggest the ZIP version, because it's both smaller and already extracted. The system.img is an uncompress image to be flashed via fastboot in case someone messes up their system or boot partitions.