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Porting Bottom Start button from WM6.5 to WM 6.1

Hello, guys!
You all are professionals and know almost everything about different versions of WM. I have one very important question: is there at least minimal possibility to port somehow this WM 6.5.5 feature - bottom start button to the old WM 6.1 firmwares?
Thank you very much in advance and sorry if this question is a foolish one

It's sort-of possible but would take a little work. Why not just use a 6.5 rom instead?
I think the greater challenge would be resizing the top bar (smaller) and the bottom bar (larger).

Thanks for the answer!
littld said:
It's sort-of possible but would take a little work.
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I even can't imagine how it could be implemented... Don't you know if there already was some work for achieving it?
littld said:
Why not just use a 6.5 rom instead?
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Because it seems more slow to me. Official WM6.1 is very fast and simple as I see, faster than 6.5. I've tried a lot of 6.5 builds. But what I really miss in WM6.1 - is this bottom start button. If it be there - it would be the best firmware for all people like me, who like simplicity and usability instead of these huge slow animations and pictures.
littld said:
I think the greater challenge would be resizing the top bar (smaller) and the bottom bar (larger).
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Yeah, it's useful too. Would be nice if somebody experienced considered this interesting and made some investigation...

it's easy to erase the Start menu link from the top bar. you can just overwrite the WindowProc and replace/enhance the WM_PAINT method and here you go.
It's no problem to launch the start menu. But changing the bottom bar is a *****! You could just overwrite the paint method as well. But this is not the full truth. The problem here is that every window got it's own bottom bar. So first you'd have to go through list of all windows/processes, retrieve it's menu bar and from there finally replace the window proc. Then you need to watch out and terminate your window proc if the application closes. And of course you also need to know if a new program is starting up. A nice-to-have feature of this solution would be that you can explicitely tell what happens when you hit the X button (hide or close) and don't need another hack for it.

Thanks a lot for your explanation, RAMMANN. It's very clear.
I can't do it by myself due to lack of experience. Well, the thing left is to wait if somebody experienced wants the same

Well it's a project that probably involves A LOT OF soft resets during development. I was originally planning to make the WM 6.5.x bottom bar look like PHOTON (the WM 7 that got abandoned) but when I figured out it's not THAT easy I postponed the idea for the time being, and will rather start with a smaller project (enhancing bottom bar of WM 6.5 start menu). But I reckon this might still be a very interesting project! hmmmm

RAMMANN said:
Well it's a project that probably involves A LOT OF soft resets during development. I was originally planning to make the WM 6.5.x bottom bar look like PHOTON (the WM 7 that got abandoned) but when I figured out it's not THAT easy I postponed the idea for the time being, and will rather start with a smaller project (enhancing bottom bar of WM 6.5 start menu). But I reckon this might still be a very interesting project! hmmmm
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Haha - that's exactly what I'd been doing years ago. I abandoned it as well, probably for the same reasons.
I think a decent compromise would be to set the Start menu in your left bottom bar on the Today screen (pretty easy to do, just registry change) and use a button assignment for other programs. If you install one of the start menu replacements (Green software) you can overwrite the start icon with something blank.
RAMMANN is right - a lot of work to repaint all those application windows!

littld, thanks for your answer too.
littld said:
set the Start menu in your left bottom bar on the Today screen (pretty easy to do, just registry change) and use a button assignment for other programs.
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Could you please give some links to these tweaks? Thanks in advance!

littld said:
Haha - that's exactly what I'd been doing years ago. I abandoned it as well, probably for the same reasons.
RAMMANN is right - a lot of work to repaint all those application windows!
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Well I didn't give up yet. I didn't even start dev for it. I just coded few lines to print something like "Hey your bottom bar is hacked!" in the Manila and start menu bottom bars. This is a very interesting project and has potential to allow a lot of things like Photon style or even an Android style bottom bar and I mean not only a standalone app like Androkkid but a full system replacement. I'm still looking around for an efficient way to realize this project and first things first so I'll be doing a start menu enhancement to warm up

J-Pro said:
littld, thanks for your answer too.
Could you please give some links to these tweaks? Thanks in advance!
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I don't have the links but you can search. You want an app called VJKeypress - one of the keypresses will launch the start menu for you. Make a shortcut (.lnk file) for it. Search for how to change the left softkey text and program (somewhere in registry) to the new VJ link.

Thanks for your answers, guys.
RAMMANN, when you have some progress on this project, please, update this thread. I think people would appreciate it.
Thanks again!

RAMMANN said:
it's easy to erase the Start menu link from the top bar. you can just overwrite the WindowProc and replace/enhance the WM_PAINT method and here you go.
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I know this is an old post i dug up here, but i was wondering how i would go about earasing the start menu link from the top? i'm using 6.5 and i want to totaly dissable the top start soft key. thank you

Editing/Removing Bottom Bar

Hi, please be gentle with me as I'm new here. I posted this on the HTC Mega forum, as that's my phone, but I thought I'd ask it on the Windows general forum as well. Here's what I posted:
"I'm trying to set up my Touch 2 so that it looks and feels exactly how I want it, and I'm nearly there. The only issue I have is the bottom bar. On the home screen it currently has "Phone" and "Contacts" as its default, and I'd love to either change it or (preferably) remove the bottom bar completely. I trawled through the user guide from htc.com and I've tried using the Search here to no avail so I just thought I'd ask. Any clues?"
My home screen looks like the attached - I'm using Easy Today Launcher, and johan kranzcmar's wonderful task bar (thanks johan!), along with a Pure Black theme.
Any help anyone can give will be greatly appreciated
Thanks in anticipation....

Anyone who can figure this out would be helping me too!

Moved as not theme release.

Newbie CHTE v1.8.5.1 question

Hi fairly new to the whole WinMo apps etc, ie installed CHTE and played around with it a bit to get it how i like but cant see how to change the top Start Bar and the lower "Phone and Menu" to be transparent. Any help or pointing me in the right direction would be great, i have searched for CABs that should do it but they dont seem to do anything, maybe because i have the CHTE installed but im not sure

Did you install Co0kie's Home Tab 1.8.5 as well?
CHTE is the editor which allows you to control the different parameters for CHT, but is useless without CHT.

to have them transparent, on the homescreen go to menu/set wallpaper/ then scroll down, there you can choose any wallpaper in the sections either skin taksbar/softkey bar or only taskbar or only softkey bar.
taskbar is the top start bar and softkey bar is 'phone and menu' bar.
p.s. this can be done only if Cht 1.8.5 and CHTE are installed on your phone
cheers
TommyHD2 said:
Hi fairly new to the whole WinMo apps etc, ie installed CHTE and played around with it a bit to get it how i like but cant see how to change the top Start Bar and the lower "Phone and Menu" to be transparent. Any help or pointing me in the right direction would be great, i have searched for CABs that should do it but they dont seem to do anything, maybe because i have the CHTE installed but im not sure
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Cheers Rurph just what i needed to know

Read the FORUM RULES and stop posting new threads.
ASK your questions in the appropriate thread !!!
FOR CHT goto http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483
FOR CHTE goto http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633590

FOR FORUM RULES goto http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713977

webpatrick said:
FOR FORUM RULES goto http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=713977
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grow up dude .... its not likes its spam

snarf1974 said:
grow up dude .... its not likes its spam
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You should grow up yourself, webpatrick was spot on and he gave all the relevant links so it's not even like it wasn't constructive criticism...
BTW, don't use the word "dude" when you try telling someone to "grow up", it makes you lose all credibility...

Start Text & Icon ***No Start***

HI,
Is there a possibility to remove the "start" text from the hd2 top bar. Or change the icon.?

yahya.hamid said:
HI,
Is there a possibility to remove the "start" text from the hd2 top bar. Or change the icon.?
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There is a way, but I can't for the life of me find the thread for it. They are just simple .cabs, I had looooads but I deleted them after installing Windows 6.5.x as I didn't need to use them. I'll keep searching and hopefully someone will link you to a thread in the meanwhile!

Okay here is one... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584531
*Edit* This one is just a taskbar, but check it out regardless. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642832
I've been searching for about 40 mins or so and I still can't find the ones I had on my hard drive, God knows where they are hiding. 0_o

Hello Everyone!
Hi guys 'n' girls.
Thanks Kalavere for pointing me to this thread
Was getting a little frosty in my other thread..
I'm looking for a few things for 6.5...
1) A collection of start icon's (only the icon, no text). Also a separate remove text cab would be nice as I've seen a few others that would give a limb for one...
2) I've not yet seen any of these yet but I'm after a collection of animated load icons (you know, the win icon that spins)
3)A collection of stand alone volume skins. Have seen a couple of these but they always seem to incorporate something else (not that I'm picky lol)
I'm mainly looking for Dusk and Anastasia themed items but i would love to see what else is out there!
Thank you in advance for any help!
Any hints to threads would be greatly appreciated!
Ps. @ Kalavere, I love your profile pic! I'm big in to Gas masks my self, had to mention!

Kalavere said:
Okay here is one... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=584531
*Edit* This one is just a taskbar, but check it out regardless. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642832
I've been searching for about 40 mins or so and I still can't find the ones I had on my hard drive, God knows where they are hiding. 0_o
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Thanks a lot. Tried but no help. The taskbar I use is from anastasia. However the Start icon change in itself is not possible.
Also the "Start" text written on the top cannot be removed. Is there a way for it really.
It will eb a very nice idea to make a collection of
Volume icons
SMS icons
Battery icons
Start icons
and customization of start text.
Anyone upto it?

yahya.hamid said:
However the Start icon change in itself is not possible.
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You can definitely, definitely change just the icon alone. I just can't find the damned things!
*Edit* This is how to do it manually, there are some cabs floating about though...

snowblind2142 said:
2) I've not yet seen any of these yet but I'm after a collection of animated load icons (you know, the win icon that spins)
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I've found an answer to that, thanks to dafunk2.
TO ALL OF YOU THAT WANT ONLY THE CUSTOM WAIT CURSOR:
No guys, there is no way to make a cab for only the custom wait cursor.
This is because the custom wait cursor graphics are into the file shellres.192.dll. Into this file reside also many of the taskbar icons and other miscellaneous graphics. If I make a cab with only the file shellres.192.dll and you install it, you will have my wait cursor, but you will have many of my taskbar icons as well. It's good if you use my taskbar (but if you use my taskbar you already have my cursor ), but if you use another taskbar....you can easily understand what can happen.
So this is why there's no way to make a cab that installs only the cursor.
I'm thinking about to make some colors variations of the cursor, but I think that I will make them for cookers (and who knows how to edit dlls) and I will post the 32bit bitmaps in the Windows Mobile Themes section.
I'm sorry.....but I'm explaining why this is impossible
Anyway, many thanks for the great interest for my custom wait cursor
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Shame
Shame but thanks for letting us know Kalavere

Cab to remove 'Start' Txt
yahya.hamid said:
Thanks a lot. Tried but no help. The taskbar I use is from anastasia. However the Start icon change in itself is not possible.
Also the "Start" text written on the top cannot be removed. Is there a way for it really.
This removed the 'Start' Txt from the upper left Start Button. I'm using T-Mobile US.
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it works - thx for it

[Q] "Light" Themese for my LEO

Hi community,
First of all, it's great to be on baord, and this seems an awesome community.
Now to my stupid question.....
I found this webpage whilst I was at work on Friday. Whilst browsing, I found a theme that I would like for my LEO, but I did not bookmark the page (stupid for an IT professional)
Anyway, I was hoping somebody might be able to help me; what I can say is that it was a "minimalist" theme, with very few buttons, a small on screen digital clock, and it had what I would refer to as an "electric blue" background....just blue, no images, actually the same shade of blue as my Honda
So, if anybody can point me in the right direction, I appreciate it. Once again, sorry for my stupidity.

I think this isn't it but it comes close... probably?
best regards,
Myrixamophit

Thanks, but that is not the one
Incredibly, it is even simpler than that! I cannot remember the name of the person that posted it, but I scrolling through the forum now, because I know that as soon as I see the name again, I will recognise it.
Thank you once again

lots of "lite" themes possible with CHT 2.0....
but have you tried looking in your browser's history? (you probably have...but thought i would ask!)

I have looked through my cache; but at work, system automatically clears it.
BUT, I remembered today, was a few pages forward from a "wooden theme" that a developer did by using a shelf from Ikea....lol.
Wonder if this will help?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=7566718#post7566718
?
i used it in my endkey program....maybe it will help....

Kuan Teen said:
Hi community,
First of all, it's great to be on baord, and this seems an awesome community.
Now to my stupid question.....
I found this webpage whilst I was at work on Friday. Whilst browsing, I found a theme that I would like for my LEO, but I did not bookmark the page (stupid for an IT professional)
Anyway, I was hoping somebody might be able to help me; what I can say is that it was a "minimalist" theme, with very few buttons, a small on screen digital clock, and it had what I would refer to as an "electric blue" background....just blue, no images, actually the same shade of blue as my Honda
So, if anybody can point me in the right direction, I appreciate it. Once again, sorry for my stupidity.
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Hi Kuan Teen,
I'm sure I saw what you're looking for but wasn't here in this forum. I saw it in the "post your today home screen" thread in the android themes forum, so try there and you will find it.
I hope you get it, good look my friend

Once again, thanks all
I've accepted the fact now that perhaps somebody has removed the theme that I wanted. Perhaps it was a photoshop job? I've read that people do that sometimes.
New problem now....lol
Last night, I installed a theme, and tried to install it on my device, but the device complained about lack of space (I have Duttys ROM installed). So, can I install on the memory card (16gb)?
Thanks guys.

err.. don't know for sure but Blue SK-i was the first theme that came into my mind when I read your description