It is almost 3-4 weeks since i got my touch pro. My friend warned me about TP as it takes a while to get used to. I am very used to this phone right now. So I am qualified to complain!:
1. Battery - not a new topic - but it truly stinks. I read 1000s of threads and disabled all that will suck battery. I disabled activesync and instead installed BBConnect for my corporate emails. In spite of that, my battery life is not impressive - I do use my phone fairly frequently - no browsing, no songs, no videos nothing....only phone calls. I am using the AT&T radio and in the zone with good signal strength.... I dont know what else to look for. This i can combat with better battery 1800mAH..
2. Ringer and speaker volume - TRULY STINKS! After using blackberry curve 8320 for a long time, TP audio is hardly audible - i tried audioparam3, SRS WOW HD and nothing helps. my ringer volume is as high as it could get to....it is totally not acceptable...
3. Missed calls - 9 out of 10 calls are missed calls for me. I tried S2U2 - didnt work well. tried answerskeydisabler -helped a bit but not much.... i tried one sensorlock - it was too difficult to unlock.....every time i reach out my phone and i miss the call - it is very annoying..... can someone help/share your experiences or how are you guys managing this problem.....
(2) & (3) are my major concerns - any suggestions would tremendously help.
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kmahesh
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3. Missed calls - 9 out of 10 calls are missed calls for me. I tried S2U2 - didnt work well. tried answerskeydisabler -helped a bit but not much.... i tried one sensorlock - it was too difficult to unlock.....every time i reach out my phone and i miss the call - it is very annoying..... can someone help/share your experiences or how are you guys managing this problem.....
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Try PocketShield ( http://pocketshield.netserver01.com/ ) and enable finger slide unlocking and set the options to use it's phone plug in and dialer skin. That has really helped me to not miss calls.
sorry to hear you are having these issues. Here are my impressions:
a) how much battery life are you getting? If you are using your phone for only answering calls most of the times, you should not have a dismal battery life. I have used my TP for a few days like that (as in not much email\web - just phone calls) and it lasted about 2 -2 1/2 days. One culprit could be that you are constantly weaving in and out of 3G and Edge networks or in and out of range - making the TP constantly search for networks - that can suck juice. Dunno the solution to this - you could disable 3G bands and stick to Edge and see if that improves your battery life - since you are not using much data on it, it should not affect you much. Another reason I can have bad battery life is - well I have a bad habit of taking out and turning it on, using TF3d and then turning it off - no reasons why - its like an addiction to me its so pwetty!
b) Ringer volume - its not loud, but I don't mind - i always use a vibrate and ring option, so it always alerts me fine.
c) Missed call - i had that happen to me but it does not happen to me anymore - here's how I handle it - i have noticed that using the hardware answer key (bottom left) is unreliable. I think the capacitative button needs different pressure than what I am using. I do not use S2U2 or anything else. When the phone rings, I just touch the bright green button on the touchscreen and that works for me flawlessly.
Other info - I am using stock ATT ROM without the bloatware and with all the performance TF3D and Diamond\Rafael tweaks I could find on the TF3d configurator and the Diamond Configurator.
My overall impression is that what makes WM phones in general and TP in particular so great is that its truly a multi-use device - i can get corporate email, my music player, FM radio, my logmein\gotomypc\remote desktop client, my web browser and answer phone calls. Thats the beauty of it for me, and the OS is immensely customizable.
Things like call quality on this will probably never match the Nokia I used to use 5 years ago. But it is more than adequate for me.
Hope this helps
try this will give you more time to answer
3) start > settings > phone > services > call forwarding > forward after 30 seconds
If I am not mistaken, TP is NOT a 3G phone. I talked to AT&T customer support and they said that this is not a 3G phone from their eyes. Mine is always on Edge. Strangely I see "G" sign for 1 or 2 sec and then it goes back to Edge - this happens very very rarely. So that possibly not the reason for sucking the juice - i do have the habit of playing with the phone a lot. So today, I decided not to touch except for talking - will see how it goes..... it is almost 1 PM CST and I am down to 84% - of course today i didnt have normal call volume. On a normal day around 5 PM I am down to 19% and I get red sign......
one question on wi-fi: I turn this on at home and does this suck battery life?
answering the phone, because of the touch screen, volume keys on the side, my fingers accidentally touch one of these and goes to VM before even i take it out of the case. Yes, I did change the setting to 30 secs as suggested. i am definitely going to give a shot with Pocketshield.
thanks......
kmahesh said:
If I am not mistaken, TP is NOT a 3G phone. I talked to AT&T customer support and they said that this is not a 3G phone from their eyes. Mine is always on Edge. Strangely I see "G" sign for 1 or 2 sec and then it goes back to Edge - this happens very very rarely. So that possibly not the reason for sucking the juice - i do have the habit of playing with the phone a lot. So today, I decided not to touch except for talking - will see how it goes..... it is almost 1 PM CST and I am down to 84% - of course today i didnt have normal call volume. On a normal day around 5 PM I am down to 19% and I get red sign......
one question on wi-fi: I turn this on at home and does this suck battery life?
answering the phone, because of the touch screen, volume keys on the side, my fingers accidentally touch one of these and goes to VM before even i take it out of the case. Yes, I did change the setting to 30 secs as suggested. i am definitely going to give a shot with Pocketshield.
thanks......
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1) It is most definitely a 3G phone. My "H" for HSDPA is on nearly constantly. I get 3G data rates on it.
2) WiFi - Absolutely a battery drain. BIG TIME! This is true of any device, laptop, MP3 player, etc.
WiFi, to my experience is not as big a drain on HTC phones, then it is on Nokia.
For the answer key problem, there is a ROM in the Diamond section that will soon be incorporating the HD slider, so keep your eyes peeled.
snathanb said:
1) It is most definitely a 3G phone. My "H" for HSDPA is on nearly constantly. I get 3G data rates on it.
2) WiFi - Absolutely a battery drain. BIG TIME! This is true of any device, laptop, MP3 player, etc.
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I live in chicago and AT&T is my service provider. If I recall right, AT&T told me that there is no plan change needed etc as my corporate plan itself is sufficient. I wonder why I am not on 3G. Any clues?
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I live in chicago and AT&T is my service provider. If I recall right, AT&T told me that there is no plan change needed etc as my corporate plan itself is sufficient. I wonder why I am not on 3G. Any clues?
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Check the communications screen on the settings tab. Make sure you don't have it set to GSM only mode.
Settings->Phone->Band says "Auto" for both network type and GSM/UMTS band. Is this where you're pointing to?
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Settings->Phone->Band says "Auto" for both network type and GSM/UMTS band. Is this where you're pointing to?
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No, the settings tab in TF3D.
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I live in chicago and AT&T is my service provider. If I recall right, AT&T told me that there is no plan change needed etc as my corporate plan itself is sufficient. I wonder why I am not on 3G. Any clues?
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Did you buy a Fuze from AT&T or did you purchase an unlocked UK Touch Pro from a 3rd party retailer?
If you have a Fuze, you should be receiving 3G signals (there is a reg edit to enable HSPA for faster connections).
If you have an imported Touch Pro, you cannot receive AT&T's 850/1900mhz 3G signals. You will only be able to receive EDGE signals in the US.
Also, for reference (in order of speed, slowest to fastest): G=GPRS, E=EDGE, 3G=3G, H=HSPA.
As far as battery life goes, on my UK Touch Pro (only using EDGE, WiFi only when necessary), I'm getting ~3days on a single charge. No missed calls, no problems hearing the ringer, etc.
Mine is imported from UK. Obviously based on what you said, this can't have 3G? However, if you go to Settings->Phone->Band, you have option of choosing other bands as well - haven't tried it. Also there is a separate tab which is enabled for HSPA, couldnt locate now where i saw that..... it appears that only Fuze is a 3G phone.....
My Fuze was a super battery hog until I installed NATF's v2.3 Rom. I won't say it's like night and day, but it's a big difference. After I installed the new rom I was using HSDPA. It was 3G. Since I only was getting 3G about half the time, it was constantly looking for 3G. I think now it uses T Mobiles tower too wich helps with the data signal. I could be wrong but that's what I've noticed. BlueTooth is a huge battery hog. Also I noticed that once I had completely drained my battery and completely charged it about 7 or 8 times the battery life got a lot better. I guess it just got worn in essentially I think mostly it was the tweaks and getting rid of all the bloat that NATF's Rom did, but I still have to charge my phone half way throught the day. It's just worth it to me when you look at all the stuff This phone can do.
Concerning the ringer volume: it heavily depends on the ringtone you use. E.g. I tried a MIDI one, it was much too low, the MP3 ringtones were better but in the end I settled on Ring-OldPhone2 which I consider pretty loud on the highest volume setting.
Concerning the missed calls issue: Yes, I definetely agree on this. Having played around with Answerkeys Disabler, I came across a setting that will suffice as a halfway solution. "Lock only from standby" was the registry setting that caused me the last days a lot of those damn missed calls....
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kmahesh said:
3. Missed calls - 9 out of 10 calls are missed calls for me. I tried S2U2 - didnt work well. tried answerskeydisabler -helped a bit but not much.... i tried one sensorlock - it was too difficult to unlock.....every time i reach out my phone and i miss the call - it is very annoying..... can someone help/share your experiences or how are you guys managing this problem.....
thanks
kmahesh
Carrier: AT&T
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Dude, I wish I was getting missed calls.
Everytime my phone rings, it'll vibrate for a few seconds and then stop. Not because I missed the call, but because I somehow managed to accept the call while it was in my pouch by pressing the accept button.
It's really starting to annoy me and was wondering if anyone knew if I could disable to ability to answer via touch screen, or another way around it.
9-10 calls are answered without me even knowing it. Once my boss called me and he said that he thought I was just being rude and put him on hold 'cause he could hear me talking, but just not to him
Can anyone help?
PS. Sorry for the therad jacking!
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Mine is imported from UK. Obviously based on what you said, this can't have 3G? However, if you go to Settings->Phone->Band, you have option of choosing other bands as well - haven't tried it. Also there is a separate tab which is enabled for HSPA, couldnt locate now where i saw that..... it appears that only Fuze is a 3G phone.....
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UK Touch Pro is a 3G phone, but it only works with 900/2100mhz 3G (most carriers in Europe use 2100mhz). The Band selection option has options for 850/1900, but that's only because it's a "generic" ROM; changing the software options does not (and cannot) modify the hardware radio.
So essentially only the Fuze on AT&T (or CDMA Touch Pro on Sprint/Verizon) will get 3G signals in the US.
Of course, if you take a vacation to Europe, you will be able to receive 3G signals.....
I've gone through several locking programs from S2U2 which I found buggy, to the one you rotate around (I've forgotten its name) and many others. I currently use TouchLockPro 1.8, it's nearly perfect, you can tap the capacitive area a few times and it unlocks, or if it's bright enough it will unlock itself after a few seconds. The only niggle I have is that it sometimes (infrequently) doesn't register taps when the phone is ringing, something to do with the phone app using too much cpu I guess, but it will instantly unlock if you remove the stylus. So far it's cost me no missed calls unlike the others.
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I've gone through several locking programs from S2U2 which I found buggy, to the one you rotate around (I've forgotten its name) and many others. I currently use TouchLockPro 1.8, it's nearly perfect, you can tap the capacitive area a few times and it unlocks, or if it's bright enough it will unlock itself after a few seconds. The only niggle I have is that it sometimes (infrequently) doesn't register taps when the phone is ringing, something to do with the phone app using too much cpu I guess, but it will instantly unlock if you remove the stylus. So far it's cost me no missed calls unlike the others.
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Have you tried PocketShield? I'm curious how TouchLockPro compares with it.
I used to think the ringer/call volume was a bit low...
But now I am using PROven 1.08 and an mp3 ringtone and it is LOUD! Louder than my old Blackjack, which was easily the loudest phone I had ever heard.
I've had several occasions when it feels like the network just stops doing its thing when it should still be active.
For instance, when updating my apps, it will update most, and then get stuck at 'downloading' one of the last few apps forever (keep in mind these are tiny downloads we're talking about).
Another example would be Facebook. There are instances when it seems like the network isn't activated or doesn't remain active when I try to view an image. It would get stuck at the loading stage and never get out of it unless I reload.
I'm starting to think this goes beyond a simple application bug and probably is firmware related? Anyone else have a similar issue?
Well I've had similar issues with my One X (AT&T). I definitely have the WiFi issue that some folks are talking about. I've had WiFi just kick off and say "not in range" when I am standing right next to my router.
With regard to the network, I have had multiple times (at least 5-6) where out of the blue I get no signal of any kind and have seen it last as long as 5 minutes, even when I moved around (at one point I walked for 5 blocks). This was in a large metropolitan area where I have never had a signal problem. My friend was with me and had no issues at that time on his Iphone 4 with AT&T.
I went to Best Buy yesterday and was lucky enough to have it do the same thing while they were looking at it. I'll probably return it for an exchange just in case it's an issue with this specific phone.
I am having the same issues as well - although it rarely happens. I will likely exchange it for another.
Similar issues here.
I seem to be suffering from all of the various bugs. Wifi, network signals, email push. When you add in the things that are apparently there by design, but might as well be bugs (multitasking issue; links to youtube and appstore opening up in browser windows instead of the app), I'm pretty dissatisfied with my overall experience.
Hardware and screen absolutely fantastic. Software... way buggy.
chrikenn said:
Similar issues here.
I seem to be suffering from all of the various bugs. Wifi, network signals, email push. When you add in the things that are apparently there by design, but might as well be bugs (multitasking issue; links to youtube and appstore opening up in browser windows instead of the app), I'm pretty dissatisfied with my overall experience.
Hardware and screen absolutely fantastic. Software... way buggy.
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Same here for all of the above. Love the phone 95% of the time, but it does random things (like drop network connection) 5% of the time that drives me nuts.
Has anyone ever seen it switch to 3G? Mine will drop to no signal with 4G still displayed when I know there is plenty of 3G coverage in the area...
honestly i thought the facebook one was just a facebook problem... because i've had that with every android phone i've ever owned across two carriers (T-Mobile and AT&T). it is annoying though.
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honestly i thought the facebook one was just a facebook problem... because i've had that with every android phone i've ever owned across two carriers (T-Mobile and AT&T). it is annoying though.
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Nope. Happens to me in all programs using data. I also had the same issue with Facebook on past android phones, but that isnt the problem this time.
So is it safe to say its most likely a software/firmware problem? I got my phone through Amazon so exchanging it is more of a nuisance.
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So is it safe to say its most likely a software/firmware problem? I got my phone through Amazon so exchanging it is more of a nuisance.
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I am pretty sure this is a firmware issue. Remember, this is the first ICS HTC phone. There were bound to be bugs.
I don't think this is faulty hardware given how many people are having issues and given how my similar issues have seemingly disappeared. I believe it is a combination of software just AT&T's network. I don't think their network is quite as ready as it should be for this phone. There aren't many LTE devices on AT&T but the more there are the more issues there's bound to be unless they move at a slower pace and work them out. I mean it's just a logical trade off between having a network that grows very steadily vs. one that spreads rapidly to capture more attention and users. They want to roll out LTE to as many cities as possible, but they could simply be doing it cheaply (edit- there is NOTHING cheap about it, but let's say "more cheaply" than a slow and steady approach). From what I've read on the interwebs there they don't have complete coverage in certain areas, they skip a few towers So overtime, I would expect this issue to get better through software updates for the phone and just general network infrastructure reinforcement. Also keep in mind they don't have volume testing, only spot testing. Download the AT&T app that lets you report when you don't have good signal. It helps them.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.att.android.markthespot&hl=en
Too bad they didn't pre-load this app instead of all the others
Also worth a mention that AT&T took an interesting path with their "Circuit Switch Fall Back" (CSFB) system and I'm fairly certain it's a bit more complex than it sounds...I would be willing to wager several firmware/radio updates will come out in the future to help improve how this works. If I was a betting man, I would also bet that getting dropped from their network would be a result of this in many cases. Of course bad signal is a very common and simple reason, but I also think it would be foolish to assume CSFB would just work without any glitches. Although I do like the idea vs. what Sprint is doing (which is I'm sure not their preferred solution, but I guess buyer beware when it comes to these big companies investing in major infrastructure matters).
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ROFL - I loaded up the Mark the Spot app and realized it said at the bottom "Don't use this app while driving." ... Not sure I've seen that before on an app, but what a nice responsible thing to add. I'm sure they of course mean don't use it while moving fast because your position won't get accurately marked...But eh it's nice to think they meant it for safety.
I have read through the FAQs and seen several posts from users of other phones and other networks with the same issue, but there has not been an answer to be found.
I've experienced this issue with 4 different ROMs now, so it's not ROM-based. I've tried 3 different radios, so it's not likely modem-based.
The issue is that I will get voicemail notifications for calls I miss, but I'm sitting at my desk with my phone and it didn't ring, nor is there a missed call indication. 5 minutes later, someone else might call me and the call comes through fine. It appears to be purely random. People who call me sometimes get through, sometimes not. It's not the same person who can't get through, or the same network.
Does anyone have an idea what is happening?
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I have read through the FAQs and seen several posts from users of other phones and other networks with the same issue, but there has not been an answer to be found.
I've experienced this issue with 4 different ROMs now, so it's not ROM-based. I've tried 3 different radios, so it's not likely modem-based.
The issue is that I will get voicemail notifications for calls I miss, but I'm sitting at my desk with my phone and it didn't ring, nor is there a missed call indication. 5 minutes later, someone else might call me and the call comes through fine. It appears to be purely random. People who call me sometimes get through, sometimes not. It's not the same person who can't get through, or the same network.
Does anyone have an idea what is happening?
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Your description definitely sounds familiar. There are times when the phone was under clothing or left on vibrate, then there are those back to back instances where you notice because the first call went straight to voicemail and the next one gets through.
Ideas? Maybe not, but there may be some clues worth considering. Every wireless carrier I've used suffers dead spots where you are 99% guaranteed to have your call drop in progress driving by.
Locally (NJ) AT&T has 2 on the westbound "covered roadway" leading to the skyway. My point is I've observed where they won't affect my passenger's TMobile calls. Oddly, when I experience this there, the call has usually gone on uninterrupted through the Holland Tunnel. Must be an infrastructure quirk.
The drive by carrier dead zone is a fixed location call deterrent. An expert could probably say how much each example is based on tower locations versus radio interference. I guess a similar scenario might be possible wherein the call recipient is stationary, like at your desk, and some moving interference breaks a fragile tower connection. I have to say it seems a lot less prevalent with SR vs. previous smartphones and with my current ROM / Modem vs. former ones.
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Your description definitely sounds familiar. There are times when the phone was under clothing or left on vibrate, then there are those back to back instances where you notice because the first call went straight to voicemail and the next one gets through.
Ideas? Maybe not, but there may be some clues worth considering. Every wireless carrier I've used suffers dead spots where you are 99% guaranteed to have your call drop in progress driving by.
Locally (NJ) AT&T has 2 on the westbound "covered roadway" leading to the skyway. My point is I've observed where they won't affect my passenger's TMobile calls. Oddly, when I experience this there, the call has usually gone on uninterrupted through the Holland Tunnel. Must be an infrastructure quirk.
The drive by carrier dead zone is a fixed location call deterrent. An expert could probably say how much each example is based on tower locations versus radio interference. I guess a similar scenario might be possible wherein the call recipient is stationary, like at your desk, and some moving interference breaks a fragile tower connection. I have to say it seems a lot less prevalent with SR vs. previous smartphones and with my current ROM / Modem vs. former ones.
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Thanks. No, this is definitely chronic and not related to dead spots. I have my phone with me at my desk, 3 or 4 bars, no issues. Just doesn't come in. It's been really bad since moving to the JB ROMs. It pretty much never happened without explanation (dead zone, etc.) when I was on ICS and earlier. :/
One other performance problem that my Captivate had resembled this.
When I complained to Customer Service, they did some kind of remote (non-destructive) "reset" of my account. That corrected the random call drops I had reported then.
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One other performance problem that my Captivate had resembled this.
When I complained to Customer Service, they did some kind of remote (non-destructive) "reset" of my account. That corrected the random call drops I had reported then.
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Were you dropping calls midstream, or not receiving calls? My problem is with not receiving calls when I'm somewhere I usually do and at times when my cell service looks fine (adequate bars).
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Were you dropping calls midstream, or not receiving calls? My problem is with not receiving calls when I'm somewhere I usually do and at times when my cell service looks fine (adequate bars).
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Now that you mention, I recall it was a mix. Bars were good, some calls were silently missed, others FCd the phone app while ringing in, forcing reboot. Good, stable calls surrounded the (<5%) failed ones. AT&T's account reset corrected both issues. Stock ROM back then was Éclair or Froyo.
They title of the topic seems a bit elusive but, this is a solution for a problem myself and several people I know have been having with phone carriers. Essentially, most of the people I know use prepaid phones. On top of having to already having to deal with credits that expire, we have a new problem now that 4G networks are in place. What all carriers do is charge your credits when the phone switches to 4g even if you have mobile data turned off. The receiving and transmission of information when this switching happens is not actual data (to the point the carrier app will gladly display that you consumed 0 MB of data that day), but it's charged from your credits like it is. This "feature" has the ability to make credits that should last at least a month vanish in less than a week sometimes.
I tried many times to discuss and mention that to both the carrier and the regulatory agency where I live, but the overall consensus seems to be that I should expect that to happen with 4g phones, since "that's how they work". Sure, they will reimburse me if I complain but I have better things to do than invest my time gathering evidence, filling a complaint, them receiving calls, only for the exact same thing to happen the next time I put credits.
After some research, learned that it you switch your mobile data to 3g or 2g, that credit stealing doesn't happen. The issue is...getting to to screen where you actuality configure that takes too much time and it's well "hidden", since it's not a setting most people would touch all the time. Plus, trying to explain that to simmering that's not tech savvy when they ask why their credits vanish is a royal pain.
I've been looking for a more automated solution to deal with this without much success. Something that would detect when WiFi is on and immediately switch the mobile data to 3g or 2g. The switching to 4g would only happen when WiFi is off or something like that. Ideally, I'm looking for something that doesn't require root as well, so regular people can have access to said functionality.
Does this exist in some form?