Related
I have ordered a toshiba folio and will be receiving it today. I know it received a lot of bad reviews but i am still willing to give it a try. I have seen the viewsonic gtablet getting a lot of support here, and hardwarewise they are alsmost the same, the folio and the gtablet.
I was wondering if there is any hacker/dev here having the same type of interest in the folio as the gtablet?
I totally new to android hacking, have some experience with WM, ( not as a dev but as a crazy custom rom flasher on my omnia i900 ). I do own a HTC Desire, and so not totally new to android OS but as far as modding or hacking the OS, I am at the lowest level of the chain.
Is there anyone here involved in making the folio a better device? working on custom roms for it?
Looks like the Advent Vega is out, might be worth having a look before you unbox the Folio.
a thread already exit for this device
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=826681
makakiel said:
a thread already exit for this device
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=826681
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
it seems everyone gave up on the device there.
i got mine today, been playing with it for a few hours, the battery died in around 3 hours usage. the build quality is really not bad IMHO. it actually feels good in the hands, probably a bit on the heavy side. hardwarewise its seems very very good, but my problem is that its extremely laggy UI. sometimes the screen becomes unresponsive, and the hardware buttons almost never work. i will keep it a couple more days then i guess will send it back.
its a very good piece of hardware, too bad toshiba neglected totally the software. this makes the device almost unusable.
nfy123 said:
Looks like the Advent Vega is out, might be worth having a look before you unbox the Folio.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
the advent vega is almost the same as the folio, i doubt that it will be a better device out of the box.
kaivish said:
it seems everyone gave up on the device there.
i got mine today, been playing with it for a few hours, the battery died in around 3 hours usage. the build quality is really not bad IMHO. it actually feels good in the hands, probably a bit on the heavy side. hardwarewise its seems very very good, but my problem is that its extremely laggy UI. sometimes the screen becomes unresponsive, and the hardware buttons almost never work. i will keep it a couple more days then i guess will send it back.
its a very good piece of hardware, too bad toshiba neglected totally the software. this makes the device almost unusable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeah you right! but! we need ppl to work and fix some bug!
i would do it, but i have no experience in prog/ linux/ android.
i was hoping more clever and experienced people here would have an interest in it and thereby give it some unofficial support here, but it doesnt look to be so.
Is there a way to learn how to program/hack/mod it?
I just spent the past two days at CES and in fact spent time in the Viewsonic booth.
There are so many tablets on display that one person in my party suggested that if you threw a Coke can 100 feet in any direction you would hit a tablet...
Overall in my opinion on a relative scale the Viewsonic G-tablet is not that bad given everything I have played with. Some other tablets might be a little leaner, maybe a little tighter build quality, but the main difference I see is the display in the Viewsonic.
And yes I did play with the Motorola tablet. While it is leaner and a better built I was shocked on how hot the tablet was when the Motorola person handed it over for me to play with. The G-tablet no matter what I have asked it to do, never gets "hot".
With respect to the Viewsonic tablets introduced at CES, their smaller tablet seems cheep in its constructions. Perhaps that is due to the use of silver colored plastic. And their dual-boot tablet... It was shown running Android 1.6. We asked Viewsonic and were told reboot it to get into Windows. After a power off and power on, I was presented with a boot manager window with Android and Windows as options. But it appeared to be looking for an arrow key press to move the selection bar. Basically I don't think Windows really is useful on the tablet without a keyboard. Perhaps this is why they were showing the tablet with Android. Thus I was never able to get into Windows and try that out.
The RIM tablet is very well built but running QNX. QNX is a realtime operating system and they were in the booth with RIM. QNT is something that is embedded in a product and normally never sees the light of day with respect to the end user. To be honest I worry about the ultimate availability of applications as QNX has nothing to do with Linux, Android, Windows anything, etc. Basically RIM is starting out from scratch. Their user interface is different. Not bad, just different. My opinion, shared with others that I talked with, is that this tablet will appeal to corporations who already have a RIM infrastructure in place and have users complaining they need a tablet. Note that the device on display was WiFi only, where RIM claimed that a unnamed carrier 4G device is near release.
Did you by chance check out the Notion Ink Adam tablet?
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
vsc said:
Note that the device on display was WiFi only, where RIM claimed that a unnamed carrier 4G device is near release.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That would probably be Sprint, who is already advertising the Playbook's imminent release...
Wow! You found better build quality that the gTab? Even my Nook Color seems to have poorer QA as far as actual build goes, and I TRULU expected MUCH better of B&N... defective USB port on my first one OOB, and the casing feels "loose" on returned & exchanged units... however both are better than the Pandigital Novel(white v1) or Augen Gentouch78... although neither of these had defective ports, etc. OOB...
VPAD 10(dual boot one, I presume): Only runs Android 1.6 as it's the latest version that "officially"(?) supports Android for the x86 arch...
To be honest I could find a booth for them and they clearly are not in the show directory. The bloggers are finding them but they have armies of people all over the show floor.
cadillax02 said:
Did you by chance check out the Notion Ink Adam tablet?
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Overall there is a lot of junk Android tablets at the show.
It is notable that when the basic software is the same you have two ways to differentiate product. Industrial design, build quality, etc or a software framework such as TnT. Many products simply do neither.
Another notable fact is most tablets are running v2.2 of Android, even when their writeups for their product cite Android 3.0. I was put off by this.
I returned a NookColor because it developed 16+ hot pixels in the middle of the display. At night on a plane ride they just lit up to the point I decided this is too much it goes back. B&N gave me a lot of trouble returning the device, but after three hours of standing my ground they accepted the return. I decided to take a pass on the NookColor for now. And I agree the USB connector choice could have been much better. Also why go with a unique connector in the first place?
I want to say the coolest phone at the show is the LG Optimus 2X. I want one. NOW. We couldn't get it to lag, even when doing our best to crush it. The display quality is also very good. LG won a best of show award for a display and I think it is the same one used in the 2X.
cutterjohn said:
Wow! You found better build quality that the gTab? Even my Nook Color seems to have poorer QA as far as actual build goes, and I TRULU expected MUCH better of B&N... defective USB port on my first one OOB, and the casing feels "loose" on returned & exchanged units... however both are better than the Pandigital Novel(white v1) or Augen Gentouch78... although neither of these had defective ports, etc. OOB...
VPAD 10(dual boot one, I presume): Only runs Android 1.6 as it's the latest version that "officially"(?) supports Android for the x86 arch...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How was the Viewpad 10s? Better screen?
Nope
japhule said:
How was the Viewpad 10s? Better screen?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sent from my GTablet-TnT-Lite using Tapatalk
One of my co-workers bought back some info after the CES about the MOTO XOOM, he said that the software was very unstable and lot of FCs. He said that most hardware were ready and just google holding them up..
VSC: did you get your hands on the XOOM, was it unstable? We may need to wait for a few more months then...
tyy10002 said:
One of my co-workers bought back some info after the CES about the MOTO XOOM, he said that the software was very unstable and lot of FCs. He said that most hardware were ready and just google holding them up..
VSC: did you get your hands on the XOOM, was it unstable? We may need to wait for a few more months then...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I may be mis-reading this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/motorola-xoom-pretend-ui-hands-on-walkthrough-video/
but it sounds like they (MOTO) were showing a "fake" Honeycomb UI on the Xoom? Maybe that's why it was "unstable" ??
Jim
jimcpl said:
I may be mis-reading this article:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/09/motorola-xoom-pretend-ui-hands-on-walkthrough-video/
but it sounds like they (MOTO) were showing a "fake" Honeycomb UI on the Xoom? Maybe that's why it was "unstable" ??
Jim
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That article was kind of confusing.. Said they were running a fake UI on top of the REAL Honeycomb? How is that any different from running say, Launcherpro on top of Froyo? So we aren't running Froyo if we use a different launcher? Maybe they mean the Motorola specific launcher is unstable, I don't know..
At least they haven't put it up for sale as a totally unstable device like Viewsonic did, yet...
I imagine that by the time people can buy one of those surely overpriced, probably locked down tablets they will have all the kinks worked out. Just seeing the Verizon name makes me not want one.
So would you say the viewing angles of all these new tablets are light years ahead of the Viewsonic, tad better or the same?
Reason why I am asking... Should I wait or not on a G-Tablet with the expectation of upgrading in about 9 - 12 months.
vsc said:
I just spent the past two days at CES and in fact spent time in the Viewsonic booth.
There are so many tablets on display that one person in my party suggested that if you threw a Coke can 100 feet in any direction you would hit a tablet...
Overall in my opinion on a relative scale the Viewsonic G-tablet is not that bad given everything I have played with. Some other tablets might be a little leaner, maybe a little tighter build quality, but the main difference I see is the display in the Viewsonic.
And yes I did play with the Motorola tablet. While it is leaner and a better built I was shocked on how hot the tablet was when the Motorola person handed it over for me to play with. The G-tablet no matter what I have asked it to do, never gets "hot".
With respect to the Viewsonic tablets introduced at CES, their smaller tablet seems cheep in its constructions. Perhaps that is due to the use of silver colored plastic. And their dual-boot tablet... It was shown running Android 1.6. We asked Viewsonic and were told reboot it to get into Windows. After a power off and power on, I was presented with a boot manager window with Android and Windows as options. But it appeared to be looking for an arrow key press to move the selection bar. Basically I don't think Windows really is useful on the tablet without a keyboard. Perhaps this is why they were showing the tablet with Android. Thus I was never able to get into Windows and try that out.
The RIM tablet is very well built but running QNX. QNX is a realtime operating system and they were in the booth with RIM. QNT is something that is embedded in a product and normally never sees the light of day with respect to the end user. To be honest I worry about the ultimate availability of applications as QNX has nothing to do with Linux, Android, Windows anything, etc. Basically RIM is starting out from scratch. Their user interface is different. Not bad, just different. My opinion, shared with others that I talked with, is that this tablet will appeal to corporations who already have a RIM infrastructure in place and have users complaining they need a tablet. Note that the device on display was WiFi only, where RIM claimed that a unnamed carrier 4G device is near release.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sprdtyf350 said:
That article was kind of confusing.. Said they were running a fake UI on top of the REAL Honeycomb? How is that any different from running say, Launcherpro on top of Froyo? So we aren't running Froyo if we use a different launcher? Maybe they mean the Motorola specific launcher is unstable, I don't know..
At least they haven't put it up for sale as a totally unstable device like Viewsonic did, yet...
I imagine that by the time people can buy one of those surely overpriced, probably locked down tablets they will have all the kinks worked out. Just seeing the Verizon name makes me not want one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was a little confused by the article too, which is what I started with "I may be mis-reading...".
Jim
jimcpl said:
I was a little confused by the article too, which is what I started with "I may be mis-reading...".
Jim
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I saw that Just a general observation... Guess if it doesn't make sense it must be right! Right?
Well I was at CES also and the only thing I saw for Viewsonic was a little office and I was everywhere. Do you remember where they were? I played with the rim playbook for a bit the interface was nice then I watched for 20 minutes and I didn't see a single crash but I like that when you open different tabs in browser or media you could see all the pages that are open in small windows similar to when you have multiple pages open in Firefox on windows 7 rim playbook is a small platform.
Sprdtyf350 said:
That article was kind of confusing.. Said they were running a fake UI on top of the REAL Honeycomb? How is that any different from running say, Launcherpro on top of Froyo? So we aren't running Froyo if we use a different launcher? Maybe they mean the Motorola specific launcher is unstable, I don't know..
At least they haven't put it up for sale as a totally unstable device like Viewsonic did, yet...
I imagine that by the time people can buy one of those surely overpriced, probably locked down tablets they will have all the kinks worked out. Just seeing the Verizon name makes me not want one.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It was basically a demo video of Honeycomb playing in the Android video player in Honeycomb. The actual 3.0 on the Xoom was pretty much unpopulated. Empty screens and almost no apps. The only way to experience it was through the video.
All is very strong. Most of the tablets at the show have a similar display and are no better with respect to the viewing angles.
After talking to the display suppliers it would appear that in general the 10" displays have limited viewing angles (e.g. 90/50 degrees). Smaller panels (e.g. 5" and 7") have much better viewing angles (e.g. 160/140 degrees).
stanglx said:
So would you say the viewing angles of all these new tablets are light years ahead of the Viewsonic, tad better or the same?
Reason why I am asking... Should I wait or not on a G-Tablet with the expectation of upgrading in about 9 - 12 months.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
whats your best phone in your opinion?
btw i like the thunderbolt and galaxy, which is better?
Hey there,
If i had a dollar for everytime i saw this question asked, id be a millionaire
lol...
...very subjective, kinda like asking whats the best car out there.
Things to consider when looking for a replacement:
how much are you willing pay
OS? wp7, droid.......(iOS?)
what will you use it for?
is there new tech coming out soon?
bobloiy said:
btw i like the thunderbolt and galaxy, which is better?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i have a galaxy s and it is the best phone i have had. and yesterday it was ran over by a full size f-250 pickup truck and the only thing that broke is the lens which is only 10 bucks. so ya i would have to say its a pretty damn good phone.
nick122590 said:
i have a galaxy s and it is the best phone i have had. and yesterday it was ran over by a full size f-250 pickup truck and the only thing that broke is the lens which is only 10 bucks. so ya i would have to say its a pretty damn good phone.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i second that, the galaxy s is a pretty damn good phone.
The Samsung Epic is epic!
I believe a Phone is just a phone
bobloiy said:
whats your best phone in your opinion?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
All time favorite Phone Nokia 8350, though I would not swap it for my 6220classic which has too many functions for a phone and too smaller screen to be a functional PDA, But the GPS and Google maps are very useful when lost in a strange city. Most importantly it is light and small so it always stays with me.
Great camera and flash for snapshots for the size and weight. Alas it's already a dinosaur.
Phone in Pocket, PDA in brief case / on desk.
I take my phone everywhere and my PDA most places. Out and about during 'my tim'e I want some thing light, on work time I want all the functionality, weight and size are no where near as important as a readable screen.
Do not want email everywhere
On rare occasions there are phone calls important enough to take while in the toilet but no email is important enough to read in the toilet or standing at a urinal.
Current PDA is a Malata ZPad,
Past PDA's have included
701a EEPC NetBSD and a 701b EEPC linux
HP Jornarda running first winCE then NetBSD
HP Palm
REX
Apple Newton with a neural net that went haywire every week or two. That gave it a kind of personality, abiet an extremely frustrating one.
My choice of a very basic smart (and then most smarts not used) phone may reflect the fact that for me email is mainly work related. I have a need to be able to partition the methods people have of contacting me. All the same in a dire crisis the 6220classic can (painfully) still be very useful network device.
While too small and primitive to do real email on it has the capacity to integrate into exchange so I can monitor alerts if needed.
Depends what you want from a device. Having docking contacts on the phone is more important to me than having a huge screen, for example. This is why i will be keeping my Nexus One for a while longer yet
I am very happy with my evo 4g, came from a samsung moment
I love my Evo.
Hello everyone. I'm trying to decide between buying a TF700 for this Black Friday, or wait a bit longer and get a Nexus 10 (it's not available in my country yet). I'd like to know if there are still technical issues with the TF700 or if they were fixed by ASUS either by software updates or by improving their manufacturing process. I've heard a lot about slow I/O on this tablet, is this still a problem ? Are there other thing I should be aware of when purchasing (like the screen lift on the Nexus 7) ? Thank you
There are several things you should be aware of including:
Screen lift
screen bleed
Slow IO
Slow stock software
low quality volume buttons(really low feels extremely cheap)
Dead pixels
Also the keyboard dock might cause some damages to the tablet itself depending on the usage.
Well i bought mine 3 weeks ago and i still have the slow IO and the screen lift/screen bleed and needed to change to custom rom to make it
usable..
i believe that alot of these issues will never be solved...
also asus has some of the worst support i have ever experienced so long story short dont buy unless you are happy with a slow
buggy and Defect high end device that might end up destroying itself for no reason
Trying to get the screen lift and screen bleed repaired while being unlocked seems impossible as asus rejects it. atleast thats what they are doing to me.
Slow I/O and slow stock software is all I have. I have no hardware-related problems, like the ones mentioned above. If I had, I would probably have traded it in before I unlocked it.
papand7 said:
Screen lift
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not my Infinity
screen bleed
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not my Infinity
Slow IO
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's true. But if you want to unlock your device, there is a workaround!
Slow stock software
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's not true
low quality volume buttons(really low feels extremely cheap)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
not important for me!
Dead pixels
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i don't have dead pixels
Also the keyboard dock might cause some damages to the tablet itself depending on the usage.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i use the keyboard dock a lot and have no damage on my tablet
Well i bought mine 3 weeks ago and i still have the slow IO and the screen lift/screen bleed and needed to change to custom rom to make it
usable..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
IMO it's very usable with stock, but with CustomRom this Tablet is outstanding!!!
i believe that alot of these issues will never be solved...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
...but you don't know, except the I/O issue
also asus has some of the worst support i have ever experienced so long story short dont buy unless you are happy with a slow
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that is also not true, ASUS bringing updates very quick
buggy and Defect high end device that might end up destroying itself for no reason
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm extremely happy with my TF700!!!
The thing is this: Happy people are quiet people. They don't bother to go somewhere and leave a positive review. So what you'll find here is a handful of grumphy users, only a tiny segment of the thousands of buyers.
I'm very happy with my Infinity. No issues at all.
So a few games in the Playstore are listed as incompatible. How is this the device's fault?! (Yes, people are seriously whining about that.) That's like saying it's your cat's fault they don't sell Whiskas in the shop... Bloody ridiculous. The games work fine, anyway.
And yes, copying is a little slow. Ever tried to copy 3GB worth of images in Windows? Same bloody thing.
And the volume keys are perfectly solid. they don't wobbly, nothing. Respond immediately, too.
I use the keyboard literally all the time, as I also use it as a screen protection during travel. (and I write. A lot.) What damage? Stop spouting nonsense.
I had to Google screen bleed to know what the hell they meant. Nope, none to be found.
It's not slow. Stop trying to watch a film while you're gaming.
And I got mine a week before the release. so the first production line. (As the European Mainland also got it earlier than the US)
ShadowLea said:
The thing is this: Happy people are quiet people. They don't bother to go somewhere and leave a positive review. So what you'll find here is a handful of grumphy users, only a tiny segment of the thousands of buyers.
I'm very happy with my Infinity. No issues at all.
So a few games in the Playstore are listed as incompatible. How is this the device's fault?! (Yes, people are seriously whining about that.) That's like saying it's your cat's fault they don't sell Whiskas in the shop... Bloody ridiculous. The games work fine, anyway.
And yes, copying is a little slow. Ever tried to copy 3GB worth of images in Windows? Same bloody thing.
And the volume keys are perfectly solid. they don't wobbly, nothing. Respond immediately, too.
I use the keyboard literally all the time, as I also use it as a screen protection during travel. (and I write. A lot.) What damage? Stop spouting nonsense.
I had to Google screen bleed to know what the hell they meant. Nope, none to be found.
It's not slow. Stop trying to watch a film while you're gaming.
And I got mine a week before the release. so the first production line. (As the European Mainland also got it earlier than the US)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wholeheartedly agree. If you search this forum you'll find lots of complaints of issues both real and unrealistic. I think many of the users with lag issues are pushing the tablet way beyond reasonable expectations. They represent a tiny portion of Infinity owners, the rest of whom are quite satisified the the tablet's quality, including myself.
Firebrazer said:
Slow I/O and slow stock software is all I have. I have no hardware-related problems, like the ones mentioned above. If I had, I would probably have traded it in before I unlocked it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well if i had known that the tablet would begin to have screen lift which would then escalade and cause screen bleed after the first 3 weeks of use.
i sure wouldnt have bought or unlocked it in the first place... it had nothing when i got it... i have done nothing to cause these problems..
i always carry my tablet in a sleeve and never even leaves it laying on a table without placing it on top of the sleeve...
also the volume rocker is getting looser and looser the more i use it which is getting on my nerves
and actually i do know that the hardware issues will never be fixed.. as they never did on the tf200....
and btw i see no usable workaround for the slow IO speeds as i need the micro sd card slot and have more than one card.. so i cant just be limited to a non removable sd card due to data2sd..
and actually i do know that the hardware issues will never be fixed..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That seems like something ASUS would do (or rather won't do). I have gone through 2 Nexus 7, both C90 that had the exact same issues that plagued the first batches (C50 and such). I returned them both and decided to choose a higher tier price product. I wasn't expecting something in this price range to have so many issues. Hope the Nexus 10 turns out better.
Some more questions :
- the problem with slow I/O, is it wide-spread ? Are all TF700 affected or only some depending on factors like : memory size, manufacturing date etc.
- does ASUS use the same numbering system as in the case of Nexus 7 ? C90 for a device made in 2012 (C in hex is 12), on the 9-th month - september ?
- is the dock really worth it, can I buy it without it for a lower price ?
1: Yes, it is very widespread. It can be fixed with CustomROMs though.
2: No idea, tbh. I haven't looked into it.
3: I believe the dock is worth it, but you can buy the tablet without it. I use the dock a lot, and it's nice to have the extra battery power. Comes in handy.
NK0d3R said:
Some more questions :
- the problem with slow I/O, is it wide-spread ? Are all TF700 affected or only some depending on factors like : memory size, manufacturing date etc.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It affects all units.
- does ASUS use the same numbering system as in the case of Nexus 7 ? C90 for a device made in 2012 (C in hex is 12), on the 9-th month - september ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Interesting... Quite possibly so. I have a C60 and I bought it in early August. Most now I see are C80's.
is the dock really worth it, can I buy it without it for a lower price ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Depends on what you use it for. It's got a USB port, SD slot and 4-7 hours of extra battery at intensive use. Plus it makes a great stand, and the keyboard is fully functional, it can be used to navigate, even. (it's 10'1"of OCD, so that helps keep the screen clean.) It also provides extra protection, as it closes like a laptop. (And charges whilst docked, even when asleep). I hate typing on a screen whilst holding said screen. it leaves marks, isn't comfortable and it gives me a sore neck. (I write entire novels. not 140 characters max.)
I don't know where you are, but some countries sell the tablet without dock, and some don't.
ShadowLea said:
The thing is this: Happy people are quiet people. They don't bother to go somewhere and leave a positive review. So what you'll find here is a handful of grumphy users, only a tiny segment of the thousands of buyers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This argument is entirely correct. Forums always have a negative bias.
So a few games in the Playstore are listed as incompatible. How is this the device's fault?! (Yes, people are seriously whining about that.) That's like saying it's your cat's fault they don't sell Whiskas in the shop... Bloody ridiculous. The games work fine, anyway.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This ^^ and the fact that sideloading is so easy. You could even ask someone to install it temporarily and forward the apk or TiB files to you, and there are numerous sites that allow download of the apk files themselves anyway.
And the volume keys are perfectly solid. they don't wobbly, nothing. Respond immediately, too.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've never understood the argument of presumably floppy volume buttons. How many times in a day do you actually adjust volume? It's practically always on Vibrate mode for me (and when I watch a movie or documentary, I changed it with a swipe on-screen -- DICE Player ftw). One of the most irrelevant arguments against the 700 in my opinion.
I use the keyboard literally all the time, as I also use it as a screen protection during travel. (and I write. A lot.) What damage? Stop spouting nonsense.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here -- only comes off when the kids play a game. I don;t have microscopically-enabled eyesight anymore (laser refraction surgery), but I cannot spot a single scratch either, no matter how tiny. Isn't that easy to accomplish on Corning's glass overall, unless you unleash unholy punishment on the screen. On any device, the odds are off, then... (I remember bragging about Gorilla Glass to some friends we were having over for dinner, and rubbing a metal spoon on the screen of my LG Optimux 2x. Very enthusiastically. It scratched. Clearly and obviously. )
I had to Google screen bleed to know what the hell they meant. Nope, none to be found.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Most LCD screens suffer from some form of light bleed due to the backlighting, but I've never had it to any appreciable degree on my device either.
It's not slow. Stop trying to watch a film while you're gaming.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why did I not try this? Plants vs. Zombies with Stick It!-ed video. Wow. Good deal!
By the way: Plants vs. ZOmbies is a good example of a "not compatible" game. Sideload it, get the data folder from a shady site (hell, you may even pm me) and it runs. Initial loading and level endings are pretty slow, but in-game, runs nicely.
And I got mine a week before the release. so the first production line. (As the European Mainland also got it earlier than the US)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Breda? or Zwolle? I took a motorcycle to Breda -- had it almost three weeks before the European release. My 700 has no issues at all. Not a creak, not a lift, not a scratch. Only I/O -- all units have this -- but a cROm fixed that.
BTrack said:
I wholeheartedly agree. If you search this forum you'll find lots of complaints of issues both real and unrealistic. I think many of the users with lag issues are pushing the tablet way beyond reasonable expectations.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I noticied the I/O issue early, clearly and frequently. It was there on a low level as well, not only when pushing the device. As it stands, I would contest your statement.
They represent a tiny portion of Infinity owners, the rest of whom are quite satisified the the tablet's quality, including myself.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
With the exception of ASUS'poor choice regarding internal memory (see above), the other issues are relatively infrequent (and probably not that severe in most cases; note the use of the term "relatively"). I'm *very* happy with my CleanROMmed 700.
papand7 said:
Well if i had known that the tablet would begin to have screen lift which would then escalade and cause screen bleed after the first 3 weeks of use.i sure wouldnt have bought or unlocked it in the first place... it had nothing when i got it... i have done nothing to cause these problems...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, but you should've RMA'd the device. The cause is clearly on AUS'side, but you canot blame them for voiding your warranty before you actually made sure your device was OK. that's your responsibility as a buyer/unlocker. How do you know your actions (whatever they may have been) didn't cause or exacerbate the issues your device now seems to have? (I am not saying they did -- I do not know either.)
i always carry my tablet in a sleeve and never even leaves it laying on a table without placing it on top of the sleeve...
also the volume rocker is getting looser and looser the more i use it which is getting on my nerves
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Mine is in a leather sleeve, but takes quite a beating for that scenario. No issues whatsoever.
and actually i do know that the hardware issues will never be fixed.. as they never did on the tf200....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No, should they magically replace parts in our devices long-distance? That would rock! Hell, if they just send that engineer, I'll make him a cup of tea -- he can even sleep in the guestroom!
and btw i see no usable workaround for the slow IO speeds as i need the micro sd card slot and have more than one card.. so i cant just be limited to a non removable sd card due to data2sd..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I/O is OK on CleanROM, and I do not have data2sd enabled.
NK0d3R said:
Some more questions :
- the problem with slow I/O, is it wide-spread ? Are all TF700 affected or only some depending on factors like : memory size, manufacturing date etc.
- does ASUS use the same numbering system as in the case of Nexus 7 ? C90 for a device made in 2012 (C in hex is 12), on the 9-th month - september ?
- is the dock really worth it, can I buy it without it for a lower price ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
1. All units are affected, and gicen ASUS'track record with the TF201, all units released to market in the future will be affected.
2. Nobody knows except ASUS. Might be worth taking to Gary Key. I have an early unit without any issues, and so have lots of others in here. I do not believe the serial number is an accurate preictor of sorts for any issues that particular device may or may not have.
3. Obviously, the device is available without the dock, but I love it. I would not even consider buying it without the dock. Prime selling point for me.[/QUOTE]
MartyHulskemper said:
Breda? or Zwolle? I took a motorcycle to Breda -- had it almost three weeks before the European release. My 700 has no issues at all. Not a creak, not a lift, not a scratch. Only I/O -- all units have this -- but a cROm fixed that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Zwolle. (Bit closer ) Took them half an hour to find the thing in storage xD The idiot came back with an iPad at first. I think he's still a bit scared of me, saw him here recently at Media Markt, he ran away! xD
I'm really disappointed. Such a powerful CPU/GPU combo, such a good display (at least resolution-wise, there aren't many other Android tablets that can compete with the retina iPads from this point of view) and ASUS had to ruin it all by making these small mistakes (well, the I/O thing is not so small) and, even worse, not invest anything into fixing them. I think I'll wait for the Nexus 10 and hope that Samsung took its time designing it and ironing out all the bugs.
ShadowLea said:
Zwolle. (Bit closer ) Took them half an hour to find the thing in storage xD The idiot came back with an iPad at first. I think he's still a bit scared of me, saw him here recently at Media Markt, he ran away! xD
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you such a scary lady? Mmmmh.... Hahaha! Mine was dumped in a framework container with some TF201 Primes -- unlabeled, no pricing, no advertising. The girl I asked first didn't know what I was talking about and went to some guy to ask, and he turned out to be the one who dumped them there just 15 minutes earlier. Hadn't even had the time to look up for which price they were leaving the store.
I'm sure you'll be happy to hear the Nexus 10 has ANR errors in the browser, too, then. ...Not happy with it? Oh well.
And there's plenty of Google Issue Reports regarding random freeze and reboots for the Nexus 10. This one, for instance: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=39879 Or even here on XDA: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998496
Or maybe we should mention the WiFi issues? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995833
Or maybe the Lightbleed?
How about the lousy battery life?
It doesn't have a MicroSD slot. For me, this is enough reason not to consider the N10.
MartyHulskemper said:
Are you such a scary lady? Mmmmh.... Hahaha! Mine was dumped in a framework container with some TF201 Primes -- unlabeled, no pricing, no advertising. The girl I asked first didn't know what I was talking about and went to some guy to ask, and he turned out to be the one who dumped them there just 15 minutes earlier. Hadn't even had the time to look up for which price they were leaving the store.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm generally considered rather frightening, yes.
Over here in the Media Markt they often enough don't even know it's called a Tablet, and not an iPad. They just assume iPad is the name for all tablets. And if you want a non-Apple product, they're somewhere in the far back corner behind all the junk.
The problems that seem to be hardware-related (an therefore not fixable through a software update) are the light bleed, the crappy battery life (which is not all that bad but, still, doesn't even come close to the iPad) and, maybe, the WiFi connectivity issue. I have to admit, those don't look too good. And I bet that, as time passes, more will be found. I always wondered why so many people go the iPad route instead of choosing an Android tablet. It's the apps, sure, but also the feeling of a higher quality product. So, in the end, what's the best high-res Android tablet ?
Hi everyone, my Relay 4g, thanks to all devs, rocks. I'm even thinking about buying a new one and keeping it in its box - in my experience, phones with hinges and moving parts such as this one do not last long.
We are part, I'm afraid, of a very small niche in the market - no one wants QWERTY phones, or atthe very least no one seems to want to supply them. Has anyone seen any rumor on new/upcoming Android qweerty phones?
Thanks!!
It's sad but no. I've researched a huge amount of materials but I wasn't able to find newer phone on the market than Relay since 2012.
Sent from my SGH-T699 using Tapatalk
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_f3q-5998.php
Sent from my Nexus 4 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
I saw it: nothing interesting except LTE, which is useless in my country, and display even weaker. But it's my IMHO nevertheless
Sent from my SGH-T699 using Tapatalk
demkantor said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_optimus_f3q-5998.php
Sent from my Nexus 4 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
haha specs of that are less than relay in terms of processor, chipset, and camera...thats such a suckerpunch
http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/16/the-app-store-is-proof-were-in-idiocracy/
This is why there aren't QWERTY devices. People don't do anything with their pocket computers..
orange808 said:
http://techcrunch.com/2014/05/16/the-app-store-is-proof-were-in-idiocracy/
This is why there aren't QWERTY devices. People don't do anything with their pocket computers..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think part of the problem is that QWERTY for many people is one of those things that you think you can live without... until you try it for some time.
Then you go back to a normal smartphone and you notice how much you don't say because it's a nuisance to type with an on-screen keyboard. You actively avoid having a meaningful conversation or replying to complex e-mails until you get to a pc (yes or meet in person, but lots of far away friends).
*sigh*
rad30n said:
I think part of the problem is that QWERTY for many people is one of those things that you think you can live without... until you try it for some time.
Then you go back to a normal smartphone and you notice how much you don't say because it's a nuisance to type with an on-screen keyboard. You actively avoid having a meaningful conversation or replying to complex e-mails until you get to a pc (yes or meet in person, but lots of far away friends).
*sigh*
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Absolutely! I can hardly explain the significance of hard keyboard to something but I cannot already live with usual phone myself
On-screen keyboard is a total s**t!
Therefore I've bought second Relay already)
rad30n said:
I think part of the problem is that QWERTY for many people is one of those things that you think you can live without... until you try it for some time.
Then you go back to a normal smartphone and you notice how much you don't say because it's a nuisance to type with an on-screen keyboard. You actively avoid having a meaningful conversation or replying to complex e-mails until you get to a pc (yes or meet in person, but lots of far away friends).
*sigh*
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you've hit the nail on the head. my first smartphone was the original samsung blackjack (windoze mobile 5, later flashed to a custom 6.1 rom i think), and it was a blackberry style phone. when i tired of that, i got a samsung continuum, which was touch-only. not only was the device massively defective (had to return it so many times, vzw let me get a different model phone), not having a keyboard sucked for actually doing anything. so i got a droid 2 - slider qwerty. that one had its flight license revoked after a high speed impact with a wall, and was replaced with my current droid4. the d4 is slowly dying and its battery can't be (easily) replaced, and i want away from big red, so after much research, i decided that the relay is the best-specced qwerty slider on the market right now - especially sad since the just-released f3q or whatever actually has WORSE specs than the relay. so i bought a relay yesterday - found a local tmo store that had some open item stock and bought one for only $125. now i have to learn how to root, flash, and all that all over again - sammy stuff is WAY different from moto.
because i can actually use my phone for damn near everything (including RDP into the dell poweredge in my garage), i haven't even turned on my desktop pc in all of 2014. granted, i have a work laptop, but i don't have admin rights on it so i can't use it to work on my new relay. might have to commandeer the wife's laptop for that.
when i'm forced to use someone else's touch-only device (including my wife's sgs3 and tab2 7"), i quickly get frustrated by the on-screen keyboard. haptic feedback is no replacement for tactile buttons. that's why touchscreen sucks in a car, and why i hope the Tesla Model E (or whatever they're going to call it now) doesn't have 100% touch controls like the model S and model X. some touch is fine and appropriate in a car, but for some things, having a real knob or button is more efficient and safer. but i digress. calling these phones a "pocket computer" is 100% accurate. maybe someone will come up with a way to make those tack-on bluetooth keyboards not suck so much (like maybe they can clone the droid4's keyboard - it's nicer than the relay's, IMHO) or make it even bigger and make use of the space provided by these phablets out there now. i wouldn't mind carrying around a galaxy note if it had a good slider qwerty on board, and let me shrink the fonts to make better use of that big screen. alas, i just don't see that happening.
Gibson99 said:
you've hit the nail on the head. my first smartphone was the original samsung blackjack (windoze mobile 5, later flashed to a custom 6.1 rom i think), and it was a blackberry style phone. when i tired of that, i got a samsung continuum, which was touch-only. not only was the device massively defective (had to return it so many times, vzw let me get a different model phone), not having a keyboard sucked for actually doing anything. so i got a droid 2 - slider qwerty. that one had its flight license revoked after a high speed impact with a wall, and was replaced with my current droid4. the d4 is slowly dying and its battery can't be (easily) replaced, and i want away from big red, so after much research, i decided that the relay is the best-specced qwerty slider on the market right now - especially sad since the just-released f3q or whatever actually has WORSE specs than the relay. so i bought a relay yesterday - found a local tmo store that had some open item stock and bought one for only $125. now i have to learn how to root, flash, and all that all over again - sammy stuff is WAY different from moto.
because i can actually use my phone for damn near everything (including RDP into the dell poweredge in my garage), i haven't even turned on my desktop pc in all of 2014. granted, i have a work laptop, but i don't have admin rights on it so i can't use it to work on my new relay. might have to commandeer the wife's laptop for that.
when i'm forced to use someone else's touch-only device (including my wife's sgs3 and tab2 7"), i quickly get frustrated by the on-screen keyboard. haptic feedback is no replacement for tactile buttons. that's why touchscreen sucks in a car, and why i hope the Tesla Model E (or whatever they're going to call it now) doesn't have 100% touch controls like the model S and model X. some touch is fine and appropriate in a car, but for some things, having a real knob or button is more efficient and safer. but i digress. calling these phones a "pocket computer" is 100% accurate. maybe someone will come up with a way to make those tack-on bluetooth keyboards not suck so much (like maybe they can clone the droid4's keyboard - it's nicer than the relay's, IMHO) or make it even bigger and make use of the space provided by these phablets out there now. i wouldn't mind carrying around a galaxy note if it had a good slider qwerty on board, and let me shrink the fonts to make better use of that big screen. alas, i just don't see that happening.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if you ever need help setting it up or unlocking it and all that ill be glad to help and guide you to the right threads
What's really sad is that every manufacturer has such a huge lineup (including stupid curved versions of phones that are more expensive and worse than the original uncurved version --- looking at you Samsung) and yet nobody can squeeze out a qwerty with a modern chipset.
The Relay is indeed a keeper! Hope this great community can go on collaborating and updating it for the next few years
I think i will buy another relay to keep in storage! The f3q does not look great:
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/lg-optimus-f3q.html
And not a lot of dev in the horizon:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2650840&page=4
Easiest way to get aosp is piggyback off a popular device, like we did for s3. I spoke to the LG guys at CM. Nobody is interested in the f3 (non qwerty) or the f3q. I'm personally waiting for project ara
Nardholio said:
Easiest way to get aosp is piggyback off a popular device, like we did for s3. I spoke to the LG guys at CM. Nobody is interested in the f3 (non qwerty) or the f3q. I'm personally waiting for project ara
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The LG Feck really doesn't seem like a new device, so I'm not surprised.
F3Q? No... absolutly not an option to "upgrade".
http://geekaphone.com/compare/Samsung-Galaxy-S-Relay-4G-vs-LG-Optimus-F3Q
The parameters are worse than relay. But F3Q is the ONLY qwerty android released 2014. Sad. Very sad.
NO!
sorgo said:
F3Q? No... absolutly not an option to "upgrade".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Strongly agree. It's a piece of s**t
endangered species listed here
qwerty android phones:
http://www.meetgadget.com/gadget/#/gadget/category/Cell Phones/?f[3373][]=4764&f[7178][]=9439
gsm qwerty android phones:
http://www.meetgadget.com/gadget/#/...?f[3373][]=4764&f[7178][]=9439&f[3327][]=4772
side-sliders qwerty android phones:
http://www.meetgadget.com/gadget/#/...s/?f[3373][]=4764&f[3341]=4486&f[7178][]=9439
I am really considering buying another relay to have another one backup phone just for the day when the qwerty phones will be absolutely extinct in the future.
Guiyoforward said:
I think i will buy another relay to keep in storage! The f3q does not look great:
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/lg-optimus-f3q.html
And not a lot of dev in the horizon:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2650840&page=4
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed. And Relays seem to remain available through ebay. The prices vary: I've seen some as cheap as $170 and as expensive as $250, but at least they are consistently available from various vendors. And I'm talking brand new still in the package with the plastic. But this may not last forever, though, so yeah, getting two might be in order.
RodimusConvoy said:
Agreed. And Relays seem to remain available through ebay. The prices vary: I've seen some as cheap as $170 and as expensive as $250, but at least they are consistently available from various vendors. And I'm talking brand new still in the package with the plastic. But this may not last forever, though, so yeah, getting two might be in order.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes, I bought mine (used device) in november for $125 (plus shipping and import charges, it was ~ €150). Now the lowest price for a device listed as NEW is $163. The only problems I had to replace the screen protector and now my display flex cable is starting to die. Maybe a good idea is to by one for spare parts too But I would recommend to buy a new one just to make sure that the keyboard mechanism isn't used too much.
I have the non-qwerty F3, and it would be seriously better with 8-16x the internal storage. It does have LTE (awesome if you're in an area where T-Mobile is serving it up), better RF performance (better dBm levels in 2G and 3G areas, at least), and amazing battery life, but the lack of internal storage is its Achilles heel. Naturally, they couldn't be bothered to upgrade that when they tacked on a keyboard, and there seems to be nothing on the horizon with regard to custom ROMs.
I dragged my Relay out of storage, popped my SIM into it (had to use an adapter since the F3 uses a Micro SIM), and fired it up again. Then, less than 24 hours after I take the CM plunge, CM development for the Relay grinds to a halt.
What a shame, since, other than a couple of rough edges (the AOSP calendar isn't as good as LG's calendar, and LG's calendar isn't as good as Samsung's, and also I can't sort contacts by last name) I like what I see with the M8 release.
What I am really starting to hate about the smartphone market is that every damn phone seems to have some sort of stupid $#!+ somewhere. Nexus 5? No removable battery, no external SD - the latest fashion! Recent Samsungs? Region locked, even if it's a "soft" lock and I'm unlikely to travel overseas anytime soon. Aren't they also locking the bootloaders on the S5 and Note 3? Don't even get me started on Apple's walled garden. Google seems to be steadily inching in that direction as well, as everything gets shoved into Google Play Services. The LG G3 looks promising (they brought back the external SD and the removable battery, yay!) but it's a flagship phone with a flagship price, and it's anybody's guess whether there will be any custom ROMs for it. Also, the buttons on the back make it useless with my windshield bracket.