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Wats up with gsm 850 ? Is it like diamond or it is true quad band?
alexor said:
Wats up with gsm 850 ? Is it like diamond or it is true quad band?
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It has 850 but will not use the US 3G networks (set for ASIA/EUROPE) unless you get a US version (not out yet). So it's quad without 3G (you do get EDGE though)
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so its quadband gsm and dual band hsdpa for euro/asia?
I think it does GSM850 but not UMTS850. Is this correct? Now, my question, is UTMS only used for data and GSM is used for voice? My immediate answer to this would be no, UTMS (W-CDMA) is used for both.
Yarr.. is this a hardware thing or a software thing?
Software
briggs81 said:
Yarr.. is this a hardware thing or a software thing?
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I think Software - I saw a registry edit in the tweak thread. need to go find it again
850 adding 850 GSM is a software tweak, adding the UMTS bands for the US is not (it lacks the hardware)
I really dont think they would have released this without the hardware. My gut tells me the US 3G will see the light of day...
Raspster said:
I really dont think they would have released this without the hardware. My gut tells me the US 3G will see the light of day...
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I've been praying daily for this since I got my TP on Tuesday... And I'm not a very religious person...
I know I've asked this before but i've never got a solid answer. Can I change the Radio frequency or add it to what the phone is capable of doing so I can hook onto Telus's new HSPA network and not worry about them catching on to what i'm doing?
No, you can only use a phone on frequencies which it has hardware for. If it is not equipped for the HSPA radio frequencies...... you cannot use it.
antjc80 said:
No, you can only use a phone on frequencies which it has hardware for. If it is not equipped for the HSPA radio frequencies...... you cannot use it.
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Then explain to me this. The frequencies this phone is capable of doing according to the telus website are:
3G EVDO Rev A (800/1900 MHz)
UMTS/HSPA (2100 MHz)
GSM/ EDGE (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
This means my phone is capable of doing it. That means the frequency control is completely software. That being said I should be able to change it so the frequency can include the 2100 MHz as well. The only reason my phone doesn't right now is cause it's about 6 months older than the hspa network and on the CDMA system.
But if it is all software controlled I should be able to do both. Is my logic wrong on this??
Is this against the rules or something is that why people won't talk about it? Cause it's can't be impossible. If no one wants to talk about it, PM or point me in the right direction so I can know where to start looking.
The HSPA network is gsm not cdma as far as I know. So that means you would have to use a telus sim card to get that network.
slight22 said:
Is this against the rules or something is that why people won't talk about it? Cause it's can't be impossible. If no one wants to talk about it, PM or point me in the right direction so I can know where to start looking.
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If you got any info on that I would really appreciate bought mine like 2 month before HSPA launch
according to telus's website they dont support 3G on the TP2, so if its blocked on their end there isnt much you can do on yours
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according to telus's website they dont support 3G on the TP2, so if its blocked on their end there isnt much you can do on yours
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I'm not 100% sure if thats true. But I'd still like to try and see if it's possible. If not least I tried. If it works...
slight22 said:
I'm not 100% sure if thats true. But I'd still like to try and see if it's possible. If not least I tried. If it works...
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well either way youd need a sim card, and youll probably have to get that from telus, so call them up and ask
Exactly what I said. You need a correctly programmed Telus sim card since their 3g network is gsm
I'm having trouble finding a definitive answer to this so hopefully someone knows about this stuff. My carrier uses SIM technology and it's 3G uses 1700 and 2100 bands. I'm wanting to find out which of the newer/higher end android phones I could use for their service and actually be able to use both bands. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Willieumm said:
I'm having trouble finding a definitive answer to this so hopefully someone knows about this stuff. My carrier uses SIM technology and it's 3G uses 1700 and 2100 bands. I'm wanting to find out which of the newer/higher end android phones I could use for their service and actually be able to use both bands. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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Those are T-Mobile bands so you are more fortunate than me. You can use the amazing new HTC Sensation with those bands. Unfortunately my carrier, AT&T, doesn't use those bands and I'm not able to yet get a Sensation. You can pretty much choose any T-Mobile phone. They have LG GX2, Samsung Galaxy S 4G and the HTC Sensation and the Sensation is HTC's flagship phone and highly valued.
Like he said, basically any T-Mobile 3G device will work for you.
I notice most of their phones don't have 1700 listed on their bands though. Does that mean I can or can't use them?
Willieumm said:
I notice most of their phones don't have 1700 listed on their bands though. Does that mean I can or can't use them?
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Yes, you can use them with full 3G speed...4G if your service provides it.
By the way, you'll need to unlock any T-Mobile branded phone. Simple to do just by calling T-Mobile CS for the sim unlock code.
So the phone I buy just needs to have either one of the two 3g bands I take it? I guess I screwed up because I bought an unlocked Inspire off eBay and when I put my sim card in I got no data at all, not even edge. So if I was to find an Incredible S unlocked I could use that correct?
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So the phone I buy just needs to have either one of the two 3g bands I take it? I guess I screwed up because I bought an unlocked Inspire off eBay and when I put my sim card in I got no data at all, not even edge. So if I was to find an Incredible S unlocked I could use that correct?
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Well...Edge isn't locked down like HSPA (3G) is. As long as the phone is a GSM version, Edge should work fine, if the service is putting it out. What you likely are needing to do with your Inspire is input the proper APN settings. And also make sure the mobile data is enabled.
Go to "Setting" > "Wireless and Networks" > "Mobile settings" and see if the top box is checked. If not, check it. Then, still in that same menu, go to "Access Point Names" and see what is there. If there isn't an APN there relating to your carrier, make one by tapping the menu button and choosing new APN. Input the correct carrier values from the list in the link below. Once done, tap the menu button and choose "Save". Make sure that new APN you just created is selected...usually a small green dot to the right side of it.
http://forums.pinstack.com/f24/tcp_apn_wap_gateway_port_carrier_settings-360/
I told you wrong for the Inspire about the menu system. I just booted mine up and had a look. You will find the data checkbox in "Settings" > "Wireless and Networks" labeled "Mobile network".
MartyLK said:
Well...Edge isn't locked down like HSPA (3G) is. As long as the phone is a GSM version, Edge should work fine, if the service is putting it out. What you likely are needing to do with your Inspire is input the proper APN settings. And also make sure the mobile data is enabled.
Go to "Setting" > "Wireless and Networks" > "Mobile settings" and see if the top box is checked. If not, check it. Then, still in that same menu, go to "Access Point Names" and see what is there. If there isn't an APN there relating to your carrier, make one by tapping the menu button and choosing new APN. Input the correct carrier values from the list in the link below. Once done, tap the menu button and choose "Save". Make sure that new APN you just created is selected...usually a small green dot to the right side of it.
http://forums.pinstack.com/f24/tcp_apn_wap_gateway_port_carrier_settings-360/
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The company I'm trying to use this with is called iWireless. They aren't on that list but I had found the apn settings by googling it and I did input them just as you suggested and selected them with the little green dot and no such luck. I even rebooted the phone twice. I'm sad cuz I love the Inspire, I rooted it and put a Sense 3D rom on it that I'm in love with. I want to stay with the carrier though cause they have the cheapest thing around, $50 a month unlimited everything including minutes, data, mms & sms. Can't beat it. But there's not many devices as well supported as the Inspire and I really can't stand anything but HTC after having a Motorola Cliq and Samsung Epic both of which I hated.
Willieumm said:
The company I'm trying to use this with is called iWireless. They aren't on that list but I had found the apn settings by googling it and I did input them just as you suggested and selected them with the little green dot and no such luck. I even rebooted the phone twice. I'm sad cuz I love the Inspire, I rooted it and put a Sense 3D rom on it that I'm in love with. I want to stay with the carrier though cause they have the cheapest thing around, $50 a month unlimited everything including minutes, data, mms & sms. Can't beat it. But there's not many devices as well supported as the Inspire and I really can't stand anything but HTC after having a Motorola Cliq and Samsung Epic both of which I hated.
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Have you tried these settings: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5328920&postcount=255
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5531081&postcount=256
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5601789&postcount=259
MartyLK said:
Have you tried these settings: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5328920&postcount=255
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5531081&postcount=256
Or: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5601789&postcount=259
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Yeah I did use those same settings on my Inspire and no such luck. I did just happen to run across this on the iWireless website however.
"Will any 3G GSM phones get 3G speeds on the i wireless 3G network?
No. Our 3G network will only support AWS/UMTS 1700/2100 banded phones. 3G devices that only have the 2100 band will not be compatible on our 3G network."
http://www.iwireless.com/promoform.asp?promo=3G
So am I wrong in taking that to mean that whatever phone I buy actually has to support both 1700 and 2100 bands in order for me to get 3G upload and download speeds? If so my options will be very limited I'm sure. :\
Okay, so from what I've learned between reading and what you've told me and what I know I want I've pretty much come to the conclusion that I'm gonna want an Incredible S or a Sensation as those are pretty much the only HTC phones that appear to cover 2100 (band 1) and 1700/2100 (band 4) which is what I believe that I need. Tell me if you think I'm wrong.
Willieumm said:
Yeah I did use those same settings on my Inspire and no such luck. I did just happen to run across this on the iWireless website however.
"Will any 3G GSM phones get 3G speeds on the i wireless 3G network?
No. Our 3G network will only support AWS/UMTS 1700/2100 banded phones. 3G devices that only have the 2100 band will not be compatible on our 3G network."
http://www.iwireless.com/promoform.asp?promo=3G
So am I wrong in taking that to mean that whatever phone I buy actually has to support both 1700 and 2100 bands in order for me to get 3G upload and download speeds? If so my options will be very limited I'm sure. :\
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Strange. That seems to be really locked down. I really can't advise you reliably. I do know that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100 frequencies and that the Sensation, with only the 2100 portion, will work on it. If your network requires both bands, anything I say might lead you in error. Sorry for the lack of help.
MartyLK said:
Strange. That seems to be really locked down. I really can't advise you reliably. I do know that T-Mobile uses the 1700/2100 frequencies and that the Sensation, with only the 2100 portion, will work on it. If your network requires both bands, anything I say might lead you in error. Sorry for the lack of help.
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t-mobile.com said:
Specs
Size: 4.96 x 2.57 x 0.4 in
Weight: 5 oz
Included battery: 1520 mAh Talk time: Up to 8 hours Standby time: Up to 21 days
Band (frequency): 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (AWS);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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This is from the Sensation's page on t-mobile.com. Doesn't that mean it should cover both bands?
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Willieumm said:
This is from the Sensation's page on t-mobile.com. Doesn't that mean it should cover both bands?
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It sounds like iWireless may not support AWS bands though, 1700/2100 is what they use, but doesn't necessarily mean it's AWS.
GSM bands will work without issue, assuming the device is unlocked.
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the O1 has 900 / 2100 3G band stock.. is it possible in any shape or form to add a band to it? for example the 850mhz band?? can any developer take a look into this? im already assuming its hardware related but for the many transformations the O1 has gone through im not ruling it out as impossible just yet.. please have a look into it thanks..
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the O1 has 900 / 2100 3G band stock.. is it possible in any shape or form to add a band to it? for example the 850mhz band?? can any developer take a look into this? im already assuming its hardware related but for the many transformations the O1 has gone through im not ruling it out as impossible just yet.. please have a look into it thanks..
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Well it's impossible, as in totally. These bands are not like porting ICS over and i guess they may need a change in chipsets or whatever.
r3al_0g said:
the O1 has 900 / 2100 3G band stock.. is it possible in any shape or form to add a band to it? for example the 850mhz band?? can any developer take a look into this? im already assuming its hardware related but for the many transformations the O1 has gone through im not ruling it out as impossible just yet.. please have a look into it thanks..
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2G Network:GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network :HSDPA 900 / 2100
850mhz band is for 2g
U want 2g while u select wcdma only, is it that ?
Why dont u select gsm only if thats the case
Perhaps it ispossible, but you need to flash another radio image for it. Also, your radio must support that frquency.
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rishabho1 said:
2G Network:GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network :HSDPA 900 / 2100
850mhz band is for 2g
U want 2g while u select wcdma only, is it that ?
Why dont u select gsm only if thats the case
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im on 2g.. the problem im facing is that the network im on the 3G band is 850 n the O1 doesnt support that band for 3g..
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Perhaps it ispossible, but you need to flash another radio image for it. Also, your radio must support that frquency.
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thats wat i was thinking.. for example: the old motorola l7 stock was GPRS n with sum modifications was about to use EDGE.. the codes for the OS r different but what seemed impossible in the beginning turned out different after trying..
as Cresqo said, it cud b hardware depended n therefore would be impossible.. i personally have no experiencing where Android OS modding is concerned thats y im asking for advice here where experienced ppl are..
Well, say our phone supports that band (which I guess it does), we need to hack the radio image. I have done it on Nokia phones before, but never looked into it for LG P500.
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Well, say our phone supports that band (which I guess it does), we need to hack the radio image. I have done it on Nokia phones before, but never looked into it for LG P500.
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well at least we know it has been done b4 so its not impossible.. wud u take a look into it on ur time plz.. thanks
I was looking into this not too long ago. See the third post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26608544
P500 uses WCDMA band 8, which is 880MHz - 915MHz. This is determined by hardware filters unfortunately.
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curious_one said:
I was looking into this not too long ago. See the third post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=26608544
P500 uses WCDMA band 8, which is 880MHz - 915MHz. This is determined by hardware filters unfortunately.
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thanks for the info.. i guess im stuck using 2g on my beloved O1
yeah, I'm in the same boat
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i saw the at&t version of the P500 on the same network im on with 3G
i dnt think its impossible.. (i got mine from t-mobile)
Purchased a Jiayu g2 to play with so far the phone is very nice. It is suppose to work with 850/900/1900/2100mhz wcdma however I cannot get it to work on 3g with att I only get edge and have tried just about every apn setting I can. Does anyone else in the US have this phone working on 3g? I have it rooted. Funny never thought I would say this but it is a very nice phone.
eaa628 said:
Purchased a Jiayu g2 to play with so far the phone is very nice. It is suppose to work with 850/900/1900/2100mhz wcdma however I cannot get it to work on 3g with att I only get edge and have tried just about every apn setting I can. Does anyone else in the US have this phone working on 3g? I have it rooted. Funny never thought I would say this but it is a very nice phone.
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A lot of these Chinese phones state they're quadband GSM, but only have 2100 for 3G. Correct me if I am wrong.
Also, do you accidentally have GSM Only set?
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KayxGee1 said:
A lot of these Chinese phones state they're quadband GSM, but only have 2100 for 3G. Correct me if I am wrong.
Also, do you accidentally have GSM Only set?
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here is the link for google translate.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://www.ejiayu.com/Product-5.html
this is the manufactures website and in the product parameters tab it shows 850/900/1900/2100 wcdma 3g and even in the engineermode menu it has them listed. i only paid 160 for it but to be honest it is a real nice phone and i was completely shocked at how well it was constructed. i even have it rooted. if there is anyone else out there that has this phone in the US or anywhere i would be interested to find out what bands you are on.
Take a look at the specshere
It shows 2100MHz for 3G
Don't be fooled by Engineering mode. It may show the options for specific MHz, but if the phone doesn't support it then the options pointless and misleading.
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KayxGee1 said:
Take a look at the specshere
It shows 2100MHz for 3G
Don't be fooled by Engineering mode. It may show the options for specific MHz, but if the phone doesn't support it then the options pointless and misleading.
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i hear what you are saying. but the fact that the manufacture website shows the bands. i understand that the selling sites are all diff some show 2100 some show 850/2100. but for 160 it was worth a shot.
So no one else in north America has this phone?
Hi,
I have heard that MTK6575 SoC does support 3G on 850MHz/1900MHz. Two things might prevent it from working.
1. Your cellular provider maynot be providing 3G on both 850 and 1900 where you live. It could just be on 1900MHz where you live. Could you go to some other part of the city and test it?
2. I have read that the antennae required for 850/1900MHz is different from 2100MHz. So, even if the SoC supports it, the signal strength is not strong enough to make it work.
I would be very interested in your test results since I am thinking of buying one.
KayxGee1 said:
A lot of these Chinese phones state they're quadband GSM, but only have 2100 for 3G. Correct me if I am wrong.
Also, do you accidentally have GSM Only set?
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Because China Unicom 3G is @ WCDMA 2100MHz.
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eaa628 said:
Purchased a Jiayu g2 to play with so far the phone is very nice. It is suppose to work with 850/900/1900/2100mhz wcdma however I cannot get it to work on 3g with att I only get edge and have tried just about every apn setting I can. Does anyone else in the US have this phone working on 3g? I have it rooted. Funny never thought I would say this but it is a very nice phone.
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Hi! Did you insert your 3G SIM on the SIM 1 slot? It is the only SIM slot capable of 3G (WCDMA). There are two slots in Jiayu G2 and only SIM 1 will work with 3G. SIM 2 is for GSM only.
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Hi! Did you insert your 3G SIM on the SIM 1 slot? It is the only SIM slot capable of 3G (WCDMA). There are two slots in Jiayu G2 and only SIM 1 will work with 3G. SIM 2 is for GSM only.
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yes i did. i have even tried to get help from Ejiayu.com and no one replies. the spec on the their website show is is 850/900/1900/2100 mhz wdma and it shows in the engineering menu as well but i think it is a lie i can not get it to work at all in 3g. My sim works fine in my Pantech Burst 4g LTE. i have not given u completely but i need someone who has an in depth knowledge of this phone to help
3g access
eaa628 said:
Purchased a Jiayu g2 to play with so far the phone is very nice. It is suppose to work with 850/900/1900/2100mhz wcdma however I cannot get it to work on 3g with att I only get edge and have tried just about every apn setting I can. Does anyone else in the US have this phone working on 3g? I have it rooted. Funny never thought I would say this but it is a very nice phone.
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u might try and see what the apn setting is
u might have to input the correct apn for your carrier