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Touch Cruise, HSDPA, Tmobile, US or EU?

I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.

wagz said:
I recently purchased an HTC Touch Cruise from phonesource-USA without doing my homework. (What can I say, I was overwhelmed by the coolness of the phone). Before this phone, I was using an Excalibur and a Titan from HTC. I think I already know the answer to this question, but wanted to ask the home experts out there.
I absolutely love this phone, but am I screwed on 3G when T-Mobile releases it this year?
P.S. I'm located in the U.S.
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T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.

AT&T 3G
I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.

sultanofsumar said:
I think I may be in the same boat. I did read up on the phone before I bought it to work on At&t's 3G network. Even thought the phone operates on 1900mghz I have not been able to get it working. It always is on the Edge network.
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are you saying you have not been able to get the phone to work on att's 3G network? i've read on howard forums where other owners are seeing the "H" and "3G", suggesting that others have been able to connect...

3G
That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.

sultanofsumar said:
That's exactly what I am saying. I have had it configured to the correct frequency for AT&T's 3G since I turned it on. The very first time I put it on 1900 MGHZ I did see a H and then a G, but I'm sure the G was for GSM.
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When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.

att 3g
I did it manually. I figured it wouldn't work on auto. I will try the auto detect and see what happens.

3g is up
Well it says G right now, but not 3G. I know I have crappy reception here so maybe it will change. Thanks though.

yep... having good HSDPA/UMTS coverage is a must to access the network. if it says "G", you're using GPRS, "E", you're using Edge, "3G", you're using UMTS, "H" you're using HSDPA. you might check att's website to see if you have high-speed coverage in your location. every HTC 3G capable device (e.g., supports Triband HSDPA) that i've purchased has always connected to att's network with the "Auto" Band setting...

kolobok01 said:
T-Mobile USA Will use 1700mHz band for 3G and according to some sources it will use 2100mHz to. Witch T-Mobile say it will not have full experience of there 3G. But it will work.
And i think it will be possible to use Radio from Sony X1 witch have same Chip sets and everything except screen.
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Ah this sucks. Why can't America just use the same frequencies as the rest of the world. I don't want to have to purchase another expensive phone right after purchasing this one. Looks like a Sony X1 will eventually be in my future
Thanks for the reply.

3G???
I had it on auto all day, but no little 3G icon. I know there is coverage, becuase my TYTN and even my blackjack picked it up right away. I guess I'll just keep looking..........

AT&T 3G
I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.

mpf54 said:
I am usually indicating 3G or H. I have it set to auto and it semms to be working fine for me.
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I too have found you need to leave the phone set to Auto. A soft reset after you change it from manual selection to auto gets me the 3G back immediately on boot up.

ATT 3G
I have ATT 3G & H in some areas when I travel but my home area does not have 3G coverage only EDGE at the moment. It depends on ATT's coverage whether you will get 3G or H. The phone is fully capable to work with ATT.

got my Orbit 2 today, and HSDPA & UMTS are working fine (in dallas)...

using a polaris with at&t in buffalo, ny. 3g and HSPDA work fine in most areas. sometimes if i go deep within a building it will swtich to edge which is normal.

3G!
cortezzi said:
When you say "configured to the correct frequency for att's 3G", did you manually set the Band to 1900 mHz? or do you have it set to Automatic? for all my HTC devices that support 3G, i set the Band to Automatic and it will pick up and use the att 3G/H band automatically. i only see the "H" when i'm tethered to my laptop or downloading a 1 meg + file.
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Well now that I put everything on auto and soft reset I am gettin 3G and H UMPTS all over the place. Thanks!

My Fuze ended up on the HSDPA network...

...and nobody at AT&T can tell me why. In fact, when I showed them the phone with the H and 3 bars at the Device Service Center, they claimed they'd never seen such a thing.
The backstory is this: I've had good service at my home for a dozen years. I've always gotten solid E reception. About a month ago, 3G reception started to creep into the picture, although at a very low signal strength. It bounced between E and 3G every few moments and I started getting lots of dropped calls, no dialing, missed calls, etc. where that never happened before. I did some research here at xda and decided to drop Airplane Mode from my settings and add a 3G on-off switch using Advanced Config. After some futzing around, that worked pretty good but now whenever I try to switch to 3G, I get HSDPA. Go figure? Not that I'm complaining, because it's pretty darn fast.
But what the heck...only one Device Service Center in a city this size (San Antonio) and they've never seen a phone showing HSDPA? None of this really means anything, I'm just looking for explanations/comments.

pretty simple man...
3G = HSDPA

kevindena said:
pretty simple man...
3G = HSDPA
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Then why do my bars read H, not 3G? Actually, based on some online research, HSDPA appears to be a superset of 3G...a.k.a. 3.5G. At any rate, the "tech wizards" at the DSC had never heard of it.

I've got a Touch Pro running on T-Mobile network. Their 3G seems to be a different
frequency than the TP can receive. If I turned on HSDPA and then wander into an AT&T 3G zone and my TP picks up their 3G network, will it overpower my T-Mobile Edge and put me into roaming?

The H is the same as 3G like the other guy had said. Plus if you went into Advance Config. to change the setting then that will replace the 3g with the H. Which is not a big deal. All the phones in Europe use the H symbol in the US we get that damn 3G. Personally I like the H ova the 3G. H=High speed
So really and truly you have nothing to worry about. Should be happy you have the H showing up than the 3G to me H is a lil faster on some phones!!!!!!

att hides their hspa icon under the 3g icon. so you never know the difference between hspa 3.5g or umts 3g. if you flashed a new rom, updated your phone canvas, changed some icons, enabled it, or who knows, chances are you are back to the standard way the rest of the world has it, with the h icon.

Is there a way to force the Inspire to use 1900 instead of 850?

On my Captivate, I could customize the radio to remove and add bands. Is there a way to do this on the Inspire? I live in an area where we have so many towers that even though I'm considered in the "best" coverage zone, my phone rapidly hops towers. Setting my Captivate to use the 1900 band only eliminated this issue entirely.
I may have to return the phone if I can't do this because I constantly drop calls and data. The worst is when I am on a phone call - it will go from HSPA to EDGE and then the data connection icon disappears entirely until I get off the phone and/or the call drops - my Captivate did this as well until I set it as 1900 only.

I think one of the custom roms had this option, just can't remember which one. I know one of the desire based roms had a selection setting to force it to one or the other or to set it to automatic.
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stryfe2010 said:
I think one of the custom roms had this option, just can't remember which one. I know one of the desire based roms had a selection setting to force it to one or the other or to set it to automatic.
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I would be extremely interested in this. I am considering making a post in development about it because seriously, I am sick of trying to make a call and it fails because there is no signal, then I wait 30 seconds and I have full signal, get on the call, and it drops out.

This would be sweet to have, my phone is constantly doing the dame thing.
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Jake06 said:
This would be sweet to have, my phone is constantly doing the dame thing.
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Honestly, its a trade off - on my Captivate, I have to lock it as WCDMA 1900 - which means that when I drive somewhere that DOESN'T have 1900 (pretty rare in Colorado) AND HSDPA or 3G, I can't make a call but switching the band takes all of 5 seconds. I can tell you that 1900 here at home though locks and doesn't let go whereas 850 does. My SIM is currently in my Captivate because I'm going to call them and try to make a case for a microcell again.

On your phone, dial *#*#4636#*#* ...then select "Phone Information"
In this menu, you can change and set several things, including which band you use. This is on EVERY android phone, regardless of the ROM. You change these settings at your own risk.

EtherealRemnant said:
I would be extremely interested in this. I am considering making a post in development about it because seriously, I am sick of trying to make a call and it fails because there is no signal, then I wait 30 seconds and I have full signal, get on the call, and it drops out.
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Don't return it cause of that..! I've already got the 1900/850(wcdma/gsm) toggle in my sense rom, I just haven't included it yet cause I'm working on a 3g/edge toggle as well, and wanted to have both together, but since people want that wcdma/gsm toggle now ill finish it up 100% this weekend hopefully, update my rom with it and post just that by itself so people on other roms can use it as well.

850MHz has WCDMA as well... Setting it to WCDMA/GSM is irrelevant, as you can be on 850 and still on WCDMA.
You have to be able to specify the 1900MHz or 850MHz bands themselves if that is all you want; rather than the auto-switching the phones are supposed to do.

id10terrordfw said:
850MHz has WCDMA as well... Setting it to WCDMA/GSM is irrelevant, as you can be on 850 and still on WCDMA.
You have to be able to specify the 1900MHz or 850MHz bands themselves if that is all you want; rather than the auto-switching the phones are supposed to do.
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That is exactly what I want. I want to force the 1900 band only. On my Captivate, the only way to do this was to force WCDMA 1900 OR GSM 1900, there was no way to have GSM AND WCDMA 1900 because of how Samsung set up the frequency manager.
I'll try the *#*#4636#*#* mentioned earlier.

The phone doesn't respond to anything I set in *#*#4636#*#* - it automatically reverts back to HSDPA.
I also figured out my problem. Using OpenSignal, I did a tower map. As I thought, I have too many towers. There is one tower that is literally at the top of my block that gives me the worst signal and there are two other towers it connects to - one of them is about 4 blocks away from the other tower and gives me an okay signal and the other one is about a mile away and that gives me the best signal but it doesn't stay locked to any specific tower. Even sitting in the exact same spot, it keeps jumping around.
Oh and you can only select "USA bands", not individual bands from that menu as well

I can only use edge(gsm) 850 band in my office, rest of them don't work.
I used to select it very easily on my captivate using the *#2263#, but there is no such thing on Inspire 4G. Is there anyway to do the same on Inspire 4g??

ravishahuja said:
I can only use edge(gsm) 850 band in my office, rest of them don't work.
I used to select it very easily on my captivate using the *#2263#, but there is no such thing on Inspire 4G. Is there anyway to do the same on Inspire 4g??
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You mean this?
*#*#4636#*#*
Sent from my calculator

on Captivate i could *#2263# and toggle between bands. GSM/3G or 850/1900.
kirk123 said:
You mean this?
*#*#4636#*#*
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on Captivate i could *#2263# and toggle between bands. GSM/3G or 850/1900.
On inspire *#2263# doesn't work. I tried *#*#4636#*#* as well. If i try to change bands it again defaults back to WCDMA. I can never switch to GSM bands.

If you live in a major area then its not uncommon to have up to 12 monitored cell sites capable of serving your phone.
I have both bands as well, and here is some info that may be of interest:
In areas that have both, there is a rather seemingly obscure pecking order:
Havoc is caused due to this:
Phone has every band available to it. Great! or, not really.
Here is the election process:
Tower sends out its info on the 850 wcdma carrier announcing as primary.
Tower sends out its SAME info on the 1900 wcdma carrier as secondary.
GSM primary is 1900 for association, 850 for data / voice with roll back to 1900.
The phone sends a limited amount of data to the towers when it hooks up, and in this data is the list of "Ranked" cell site ID's. (WCDMA ONLY, forget GSM for now)
The tower then is aware of what other sites can serve you should it become to busy. Using this and various factors, it will decide to either keep you on sector X primary, bump you to secondary carrier, or dump you completely. If it dumps you completely it is a forced hand off and not a graceful one, and you drop signal completely momentarily and then gain it back, but connect to a different cell id. However, that NEW cell ID only hears you at -104, useable but weak, and has 300 other phones it hears at -80 or better.. It has to pick some one to drop, and it picks you. Start the cycle all over again.
Disabling the 850 band stops this, because 1900 goes far shorter of a range and has far less people using it typically.. therefore the stronger site doesnt drop you because your phone reports no where to go. It also (in the case of the captivate) does not respond to requests to switch to GSM, as it will report no gsm availability when in forced wcdma mode.
Fundamentally, this is a misconfiguration on AT&T's part, since this little scenario shouldnt happen with proper sector alignment and tilting.
You did mention that you are in colorado, and AT&T has absolutely NO idea how to deal with radio towers and mountains. They seem to forget that not the entire world is flat.
If it is an option, I'd recommend a switch to Verizon, as it is unlikely this particular problem will ever go away.
Also, as to a Micro-Cell, know going in that those little buggers get the lowest possible priority.. meaning that if your phone can hear a real tower, its going to use that first. You'll have to fight it to get it on the m-cell.
Also, all Micro-Cell's are WCDMA 850 only, with no GSM or WCDMA 1900.
They also do not use HSPA, but instead use older UMTS technology (Who really cares at this point, if you are in range of a M-Cell you can use wifi.)
Other option: Disable 3G for the area you would use the M-Cell.
GSM shouldnt give the same problem WCDMA gives. The entire election process is completely different, and frankly works better than the WCDMA deployment AT&T used.
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Wow sorry I didnt read the dates else I would have known this thread was a corpse. Found it looking for a WCDMA 1900 inspire lock option.

HTC one S EDGE speeds

Herro! first time poster, long time lurker! i searched around, and couldn't really find a similar problem.
I got an HTC one S from Fido, unlocked it, and i've been trying to use it on Bell. I tried several different APN's until one finally worked...but only EDGE speeds! It's also draining my battery extremely quickly. also, when i put my bell sim card inside, preferred network mode changes to WCDMA instead of HSPA (like on the fido sim).
why is this happening? i was told a fido phone would work on bell with no problem. why no 4g speeds?
thank you and i appreciate the responses in advance

HSPA uses WCDMA, so that makes no sense... Under preferred network you should have WCDMA only, 2G only, or WCDMA preferred if I recall correctly as I'm not on stock HTC rom atm so can't check. Are you getting an "E" signal indicator or are you just getting a slow connection? What does it say under About phone>Status>Mobile Network Type?

Set it to Auto mode in the network settings.

frdd said:
HSPA uses WCDMA, so that makes no sense... Under preferred network you should have WCDMA only, 2G only, or WCDMA preferred if I recall correctly as I'm not on stock HTC rom atm so can't check. Are you getting an "E" signal indicator or are you just getting a slow connection? What does it say under About phone>Status>Mobile Network Type?
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yeah, all the tech support i've talked to said it makes no sense either . i get the same outcome whether i put it on WCDMA only or GSM/WCDMA auto. when i do the speed test, it always comes out under 1 mb/s. it actually has the 4G symbol up, but the speed isn't there.
mhmm, it switches between UMTS and HSDPA.

If you have UMTS and HSPDA under status its working, and those are also what connection you're really on. If you always have a 4g icon on status bar it seems like your carrier has modded the software like T-Mobile USA does so it always shows 4g no matter what's up in the real world.
Maybe you're not in a good location and that's why you get slow data. Also I have no idea how Canadian carriers work but I'd guess if you're connected to a 850 MHz cell you'll get worse speeds than on a 1700/1900 one. Don't you guys have insane data caps everywhere, perhaps you hit yours when speedtesting?

did you try a new sim from bell

[Q] Jiayu G3 Signal Confusion

I got a Jiayu G3 knowing it would be a gamble concerning whether or not it supported 3G on the AT&T network, which operates 3G on 850mhz and 1900mhz.
Naturally, I lost the gamble and was stuck with EDGE, or so I thought. I was driving around today, just 1-2 miles away from my home when I looked down at my phone and noticed the H over my cell signal. I ran a speed test and sure enough it confirmed HSPA due to the 4mb down and 1mb up speed. I even go to network provider search menu and it shows both AT&T 2G and 3G selections. Then as I went back home I noticed it was back to EDGE again. Now I have an old Samsung dumb phone that shows what band you are on in a developer menu, and I confirmed both 850mhz and 1900mhz bands have decent signals in my house, yet my Jiayu can't connect to it.
Can anyone help, this has really confused me.....

JonR1230 said:
I got a Jiayu G3 knowing it would be a gamble concerning whether or not it supported 3G on the AT&T network, which operates 3G on 850mhz and 1900mhz.
Naturally, I lost the gamble and was stuck with EDGE, or so I thought. I was driving around today, just 1-2 miles away from my home when I looked down at my phone and noticed the H over my cell signal. I ran a speed test and sure enough it confirmed HSPA due to the 4mb down and 1mb up speed. I even go to network provider search menu and it shows both AT&T 2G and 3G selections. Then as I went back home I noticed it was back to EDGE again. Now I have an old Samsung dumb phone that shows what band you are on in a developer menu, and I confirmed both 850mhz and 1900mhz bands have decent signals in my house, yet my Jiayu can't connect to it.
Can anyone help, this has really confused me.....
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it use 2100Mhz only for 3G.
typical for china mobile phone...
use google chrome
open this http://www.ejiayu.com/Product-8.html

haybat said:
it use 2100Mhz only for 3G.
typical for china mobile phone...
use google chrome
open this http://www.ejiayu.com/Product-8.html
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I think you missed the part that I actually get 3G in some areas, and it's definitely not on 2100MHz. It's 850 or 1900MHz.