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I just got done reading a PM from someone who bought a used phone. And guess what they had on it, My Vanilla ROM.
Guys if you are going to sell your phones, please flash them back to factory. I dont think its smart to sell it with my rom or any other bleeding edge rom. These releases are still considered to be testing.
I understand your concerns and I agree...but I think that if we (as a community) are sharing ROM's...this is one of those things that is going to happen and we'll have to live with ya know...
agree with j3d1n4s7y (pain to copy out!lol)
and i agree with you nottoosmart.
if the seller didnt make it a selling point then, it shouldnt matter. but if the seller was saying 'oooo loooky here, wm6-rare!!!!!!buy me!' then the seller frankly is an idiot!
"What is the world coming to?" ?
Frankly, I don't see what the issue is. As long as the seller clearly indicates that the phone is running a third-party ROM, such as mUn's, then what's the problem? Undeniably, the person ought mention such information, but that's just an issue falling under the category of normal auction and commerce etiquette (i.e., that one should always disclose any major modifications made to a device).
Most people would be happy to get a phone pre-installed with mUn's ROM (regardless of what it's re-branded as). The functionality and stability of the mUn WM6 ROM you speak of are real and significant improvements over the OEM's ROMs.
This thread seems little more than public boasting.
cheers.
fluxist
fluxist said:
Frankly, I don't see what the issue is. As long as the seller clearly indicates that the phone is running a third-party ROM, such as mUn's, then what's the problem? Undeniably, the person ought mention such information, but that's just an issue falling under the category of normal auction and commerce etiquette (i.e., that one should always disclose any major modifications made to a device).
Most people would be happy to get a phone pre-installed with mUn's ROM (regardless of what it's re-branded as). The functionality and stability of the mUn WM6 ROM you speak of are real and significant improvements over the OEM's ROMs.
This thread seems little more than public boasting.
cheers.
fluxist
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much agreed
People are now SELLING the cooked roms...
Check out what I found on craigslist...
http://vancouver.craigslist.org/ele/294772477.html
not cheap either lool
anichillus said:
not cheap either lool
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I know... If I wasn't worrying about M$ getting up my ass, I'd sell your rom at a lower price than that guy and we can split the profits...
Selling cooked roms
OK, I guess I have to disagree with a lot of you folks here. I think it is a bad idea to sell cooked roms. The problem is with people who are new to pocket pc's and to WM5 and WM6. If you will remember, there is a learning curve to these devices, and the extra complexity of many cooked roms adds to the confusion. Also, where are they going to get help for their questions about WM6? or where do they turn to when their comm manager screen doesn't look like the one in the picture? Is the seller going to offer support? Likely not, probably they will refer them to this forum and they will end up PMing the rom chef indignantly, expecting their help.
Leave the stock rom in place. If you want to unlock the device, fine, but put it back the way you found it. That way the people who buy them know where to turn for support. (Microsoft, or the carrier).
Regards,
Make it Factory!
Heck even if you update to the original carriers latest rom, thats fine. You are doing the next guy a favor. But just think of it this way.
If you DONT flash it back to a factory rom, can you really be sure that you have removed all your personal info from the device?
Ever hear about the 100's of HDs that are bought and sold on ebay without being security wipped? Phone numbers, B-Days, eww its ripe for the identity thief.
If you have taken the time to unlock it and play with it, have the common courtesy to put it back to a carrier supported format.
btw Great rom there NTS
sellling cooked roms WTF?!
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sellling cooked roms WTF?!
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I second that!!!!!!
Here is another person selling on ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...E:L:RTQ:CA:1&viewitem=&item=120106155132&rd=1
Updating Roms are great but they need support for what they have purchased.
lol i love it..some sorta powerseller this jackass is..
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Ok, let me state the issue with this......
I got 3 PM's through the forum about support of this. I know this sounds like me coping out on support, but I am not about to support someone who does not know anything or has not spent the time reading the posts here. Most of the PM's I get are from people who have done the research here and not just saying "BTW I bought a device with your ROM on it, can you help me do this or that"
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I got 3 PM's through the forum about support of this. I know this sounds like me coping out on support, but I am not about to support someone who does not know anything or has not spent the time reading the posts here. Most of the PM's I get are from people who have done the research here and not just saying "BTW I bought a device with your ROM on it, can you help me do this or that"
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I totally agree with this. Its very similar to the people that are seeing posts in PC Mag, and other places about WM6 roms for the wizard can be found here. They come here and start flashing before they even know what they are doing then start demanding (and yes I mean demanding) people to fix their phone they have now screwed up (I get numerous PM's from people that want me to be their personal support center and tell them step by step how to do things. Most of those PMs get deleted or I will point them to one of the how to threads and not answer further PMs from them. I'll continue to assist people that post in the forums, but am starting to ignore ones that its pretty obvious they haven't even tried looking before asking. I love the ones that ask for where to download a rom, and just a couple of posts above theirs is a link someone posted.
Hi
i was just reading a thread entitled 'are we all running a pirated version of WM6 on our wizards'
and it got me thinking.
theres a legal grey area surrounding xda-devs, namely, the roms that have been placed onto the ftp/forums that are the 'intellectual property' or whatever of microsoft as they were initially intended to be run as 'beta' builds despite being HEAVILY modified by the great members of this community.
so, i thought......
Why doesnt www.xda-developers.com sit down with someone from HTC and similar to how Orange or Cingular are re-branding HTC devices, why don't Xda-Devs setup their OWN OEM company.
HTC *could* (in an ideal world) sell the devices onto xda-devs or an affiliate with the devices set-up as having Super-CID, sim-unlock and being able to run unofficial code on them.
the biggest problem i think HTC have with releasing builds of OS's to the masses is the simple fact that a lot 'joe bloggs'' will ring up MS moaning about how their phone doesnt work...
but, what if the xda-devs company's contract states that the devices are sold with NO support, apart from any support provided from the forums/community at large. this way, nobody would be ringing up HTC as presumably you would have to have found this site, have a little know-how and know what you would be buying from the xda-devs company.
that way, HTC could itself release builds of the OS's to xda-devs for xda-devs to then modify, patch and optimise. this build can then be released to the masses by HTC as a stable build. HTC could as a result of this collaboration sell the devices to xda-devs at a lower cost.
i admit, it sounds a little far-fetched, but im bored and looking for a point of discussion! it could be done though i think, all you'd have to do is find some investors to buy the initial devices to sell- and of course some way to clear this with HTC!
discuss!lol\
While in concept it isn't a bad idea, I've got to point out one major flaw of humanity... our need to place blame.
Selling an unsupported device, be it new or old takes away the ability to blame someone when things go wrong.
However, some sort of support could be offered in the form of:
1. If flashing your device to the original ROM it came with doesn't fix the problem then the issue is 99% of the time hardware related. Call HTC for warranty service, within 1 year of course.
2. I bricked my phone, bootloader doesn't work thus I can't flash it. Same warranty applies.
Anything else is customer's fault, you're on your own.
Of course this could only work with GSM or rather SIM enabled devices. ESN based devices couldn't be part of this venture. Don't know about other CDMA countries out there, but at least in the US Sprint will CATEGORICALLY REFUSE to register an ESN that is not in their database, whereas Verizon will, but you've got to sweet talk the store manager.
Still, even with these little clauses this whole thing is a huge class action lawsuit just waiting to happen.
Although this would be grate for us, as far as the commercial parties are concerned there is a ton of problems with this idea:
a) HTC pays M$ for every copy of WM based on the components they include.
So you still can't legally cook your own ROM.
b) This would get HTC in trouble with every brand and telco they deal with.
c) This will significantly prolong the life of the devices and reduce profits for HTC.
d) xda-dev is not a commercial body and is in no position (I am stating this from what I know of the site, official comment is left to the management) to make any official order for HTC to even consider.
But the project you describe already exists, it just does not run M$ crap:
www.openmoko.com
I just received this from HTC:
Hello David,
Thank you for contacting HTC about updating the Verizon Pro2 to Windows Mobile 6.5.
I understand wanting to keep the device up-to-date. Regretfully, HTC does not currently have a software update for your device. The carriers request all software updates for the devices that they offer from HTC. Once the carrier contacts HTC about updating the software or changes to the devices, HTC’s Research & Development Team work with same department from the carrier to create the software. When and update is created it is tested by the carrier and then HTC host the software on our web site for download by customers free of charge or at http://www.pcdphones.com/uts_downloads.aspx. The updates are individually adaptered for each device and carrier.
You can also visit www.hctwiki.com for self-help and to participate in a survey.
Thank you,
Kay
HTC Technical Support
It's quite alright...once Hard SPL is released, if Verizon/HTC does or does not release an update won't matter.
http://forums.verizon.com/t5/PDA-Sm...nmo-6-5-Verizon-never-requested-one/m-p/89482
So a form letter makes you think they are never going to release a ROM?
note the keywords "does not currently". people gotta give it some time, jeez.
Agreed, give it some time.
To add, TP2 CDMA is generically noted by HTC for the 6.5, why are you demanding it rushed when you want it to have everything and be as bug free as possible. Don't be hypocritical.
Sheesh. After all the talk around the interwebs about the Touch Pro2 getting an upgrade, one would think the general public would understand that software must be thoroughly tested to be sure it won't interfere with any existing equipment or services Verizon offers. Granted, Verizon tends to wait rather long to introduce new OS options for their devices, but they still eventually do follow through.
Verizon has (arguably) the most robust network and widest overall coverage. If you want to give that up for a carrier that might be more prompt with equipment updates but doesn't have a tower for 50+ mile stretches, feel free to choose a different carrier.
Personally, I'm fine with the way my phone works now. Sure, 6.5 might have some new bells and whistles, but the core operating system is virtually identical. Why make such a fuss? I won't be heartbroken if I don't get a new ROM for a month or two. My phone works and does pretty much everything I need it to do at this point.
As soon as a HardSPL unlock comes out, we won't need the VZW 6.5 update for most of those bells and whistles.
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Sheesh. After all the talk around the interwebs about the Touch Pro2 getting an upgrade, one would think the general public would understand that software must be thoroughly tested to be sure it won't interfere with any existing equipment or services Verizon offers. Granted, Verizon tends to wait rather long to introduce new OS options for their devices, but they still eventually do follow through.
Verizon has (arguably) the most robust network and widest overall coverage. If you want to give that up for a carrier that might be more prompt with equipment updates but doesn't have a tower for 50+ mile stretches, feel free to choose a different carrier.
Personally, I'm fine with the way my phone works now. Sure, 6.5 might have some new bells and whistles, but the core operating system is virtually identical. Why make such a fuss? I won't be heartbroken if I don't get a new ROM for a month or two. My phone works and does pretty much everything I need it to do at this point.
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For the last few weeks, we have been intensely covering security and privacy issues that involve quite a few of the latest HTC devices (Sensation, EVO 3D, etc). It was discovered by XDA Recognized Developer TrevE that there are multiple apps and services that basically collect all sorts of information about our devices, their usage, and everything that is done on them to later on be sent to some Amazon cloud drive. HTC has come back a couple of times with official statements saying that the apps are indeed harmless and that the information collected is to basically help HTC and the carriers to improve their products and services to us. Moreover, they claimed that, at least, the HTC services can be opted out and they would stop collecting said information. Well, TrevE has been doing a lot of research as of lately and further proved that not only can these services not be turned off by regular means, but also has shown, by doing an experiment in a controlled environment, that the apps are inherently dangerous as they can be easily exploited by virtually any app that has android.permission.INTERNET enabled, which a ton of apps in the market currently do.
The kind of information that can be pulled from the device could be enough, potentially, to clone a device completely if the person receiving this knows how to do it. The app seems to allow the dump of virtually all stats and values by the device. Regardless of HTC’s motives to collect this information, the important part about this, and really the core of the issue, is that the information from these apps can be easily intercepted and sent anywhere to anyone. For the skeptics in the room, TrevE has put together a small demo app (proof of concept) that shows what could potentially happen when this is intercepted. He also has put together a Youtube video that shows exactly what is going on. It seems that the only real way to get rid of these services is by rooting the device and manually removing them, but there is no known way to remove them from an unrooted device.
HTC has been notified about the issue approximately 5 days ago and we are still waiting for a response, which they said they are working on. You will have to keep in mind that this is only the first app that TrevE is working on, and if you remember from previous articles, there are 5 of them. Long story short, you can expect one of these articles on XDA at least once a week for the next month or so.
Well, HTC, as you may see it, this is no longer about us wondering why you are getting our information, but it was discovered that whatever you are using to get it is simply not secure. For the sake of your customer’s privacy, we request that you take the proper measures and release any and all necessary patches to fix this for any and all devices being affected. This is about people’s data falling in the wrong hands, so please we ask that you take action on this soon.
HTCLogger allows any app that has access to android.permission.INTERNET on devices such as the evo3d to obtain full access to query sensitive info such as network/appusagestats/meid/esn/phone#/past 10 location broadcasts and last known locations/and more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoTUkQ7SlNU&feature=player_embedded
You can find the original thread here. Also, you can check if you are vulnerable by using the app found in this thread.
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Thanks TrevE for the tip!
More links regaurding new findings!!..
http://infectedrom.com/showthread.php/559-Vunerability-1-Android-Security-Elevation
and heres an app to check if you are vulnerable...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=17612559&postcount=110
Does this help anyone?! LOL....Im sure NOBODY like BIG BROTHER WATCHING YOU!
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Does this help anyone?! LOL....Im sure NOBODY like BIG BROTHER WATCHING YOU!
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Well you kind of threw that out the door when you decided to buy an ANDROID device.. didn't ya ? LOL
so if you run something like cyanogen or miui am i right in thinking you would prob not be vulnerable, but custom sense based roms prob would be?
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so if you run something like cyanogen or miui am i right in thinking you would prob not be vulnerable, but custom sense based roms prob would be?
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Thats basically what Im thinking.. But who knows...For all we know the STOCK sms app is sending HTC all our texts...think of how many drug dealers/ or other illegal things people do that is uploaded to htc....I For-see a NEW AGE IN CRIME STOPPING upon us...and the general public doesnt even know it.
About the big brother watching you.
Why do you think Android is free? Companies like HTC and Google want you to spend as much time as possible on the internet so you can see the ads that pay their bills. That's the whole idea behind Android, cheap access to the internet so you can use Google products and see their ads. HTC is probably doing something similar here. HTC has access to lots of user data via the phones that they sell. This is valuable data to data miners who can sell their products using this information.
Personally I don't have a problem with this. But if you do it makes sense to stop using the internet
Call me crazy but I quite frankly don't care much about them knowing what apps I run or where my wifi network is located or where my phone has been. I voluntarily share that kind of information with Google in return for making my life easier by allowing my to use services like Google Maps and Google Search. Now if I were a terrorist or someone running from law enforcement I could see how this would bother me a lot more.
Moreover, if this information actually helps HTC improve the user experience on my next device (similar to how it has helped Google improve their services), I'll personally send it to them in a .zip file. It is troubling though that they kind of just take these kinds of stats regardless of your consent.
Anyway, let me know when they start listening in on my phone calls and reading my text messages. Maybe then I'll care more. -_-
EDIT: I still really do appreciate TrevE taking time out of his day to do this research and share his findings with the community.
Guys I think there trying to say that HTC or google is not gathering our info securely,and anyone with the knowledge can intercept our info from google or HTC. Say the president uses a HTC sensation,and a terrorist intercepts the presidents info that is suppose to go to google or HTC. Now that terrorist knows where the president is,etc. See how that's a problem? I sure don't want no crazed lunatic knowing were I'm at,worst,cloning my phone!
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Guys I think there trying to say that HTC or google is not gathering our info securely,and anyone with the knowledge can intercept our info from google or HTC. Say the president uses a HTC sensation,and a terrorist intercepts the presidents info that is suppose to go to google or HTC. Now that terrorist knows where the president is,etc. See how that's a problem? I sure don't want no crazed lunatic knowing were I'm at,worst,cloning my phone!
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just in case we wondered why the president still uses a crackberry
Another reason to use Cyanogenmod. Yipee!
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I'm running a stock T-Mobile version of sense, rooted and when I installed the app, it says connecton refused, I looked for the app htclog.apk in /system/app and it's not there...
This Question may be belongs to all the ROM's.
Lot of "How to make your own ROM" tutorials available these days.
What if some programmer with great knowledge made a custom ROM which can take personal details of the ROM users ?
I mean If such ROM's are there , how can we find it ?
anybody ?
Please answer my question.
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I don't know. But what I already know is, the NSA is already spying on us regardless of what ROM you're using.
Google and Facebook are all suspected of doing the same thing. They are spying on me as I type this.
Also, a lot of popular ROM say they collect usage data for "development purposes"; to "improve the rom" (example: Cyanogenmod). How do you know they're not lying? For all we know, all CM users could've had their data stolen by the Cyanogenmod team themselves. A lot of OEMs ROM (stock ROMs by manufacturer) seem to also say that they collect usage data for development - HTC Sense for instance.
MIUI is another popular custom rom developed by Xiaomi company based in China. Recently, there are scandals about Xiaomi producing smartphones which collect personal details and send them to servers in China. This has been examined by network monitoring apps. They showed that Xiaomi phones constantly send data to Chinese servers. Note that Xiaomi phones run MIUI as stock rom. So the whole spying thing could happen to MIUI roms users as well.
All of the ROMs mentioned above are all really popular: they are being ported compiled and published on xda every single day....
What I'm saying is, we live in an era of technology, in which privacy is on jeopardy. There are already ROMs and Apps capable of collecting your personal data. Whether, they actually do it or not, who am I to say? But in my honest opinion, yes, they may very likely do that. The tragic part is, You and I can't do anything about it. Regular mobile users and consumers don't have power over affairs. It's the politician, the corporate shareholders who hold real power. They collect your personal data sell it for profit.
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You can start by installing and configuring Xprivacy, Adaway, Minminguard, Greenify and Debloat the phone etc plus anything else to try and keep the data transfer down to a minimum but it becomes rather tedious and sometimes confusing when **** stops working properly.
I'd love a rom that is stripped to the bare essentials with these apps injected and configured ready to go. is there such a one?
Thank you !!
doperthancoke said:
I don't know. But what I already know is, the NSA is already spying on us regardless of what ROM you're using.
Google and Facebook are all suspected of doing the same thing. They are spying on me as I type this.
Also, a lot of popular ROM say they collect usage data for "development purposes"; to "improve the rom" (example: Cyanogenmod). How do you know they're not lying? For all we know, all CM users could've had their data stolen by the Cyanogenmod team themselves. A lot of OEMs ROM (stock ROMs by manufacturer) seem to also say that they collect usage data for development - HTC Sense for instance.
MIUI is another popular custom rom developed by Xiaomi company based in China. Recently, there are scandals about Xiaomi producing smartphones which collect personal details and send them to servers in China. This has been examined by network monitoring apps. They showed that Xiaomi phones constantly send data to Chinese servers. Note that Xiaomi phones run MIUI as stock rom. So the whole spying thing could happen to MIUI roms users as well.
All of the ROMs mentioned above are all really popular: they are being ported compiled and published on xda every single day....
What I'm saying is, we live in an era of technology, in which privacy is on jeopardy. There are already ROMs and Apps capable of collecting your personal data. Whether, they actually do it or not, who am I to say? But in my honest opinion, yes, they may very likely do that. The tragic part is, You and I can't do anything about it. Regular mobile users and consumers don't have power over affairs. It's the politician, the corporate shareholders who hold real power. They collect your personal data sell it for profit.
Sent from my C1605 using XDA Free mobile app
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I know it about Xiaomi.
If I dont hit thanks , I wont be a human, very good explanation bro.