Hi,
what is the best device to use for "creative" development on/for the G1?
Google claims that the Android Dev Phone 1 (ADP1) is the device to go for.
Does the ADP1 allow for convenient root access?
What is the difference between an ADP1 and a rooted US/UK T-Mobile G1, and what does that mean in practice?
If you're actually a developer, why didn't you bother reading what google has to say about the ADP?
Here's a link that ought to answer all your questions: http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html#dev-phone-1
If that's too long to read, here's a summary: The ADP is by far the most open version of the G1. Non SIM lock, no hardware lock, developer bootloader.
greenkabbage said:
If you're actually a developer, why didn't you bother reading what google has to say about the ADP?
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I read and understand what Google has to say about the ADP1.
I am more concerned about where I can get with other devices. Why? Plain and simple: The cost of the device.
I can get a German T-Mobile G1 at 350 Euro, in my native language (German), with two years of full warranty, delivered right to my door, the ability to yell at people to get a device exchanged, no hassles (except for the lack of root access to date).
Compared to that, a Google ADP1 does not offer any warranty, costs me USD 399 + serious tax + shipping expenses (shipping to Germany).
If I could get a German T-Mobile G1 device into a state of openness that is comparable to the ADP1, that would be an easy pick. I know that the German G1 cannot be rooted (yet), thus my question.
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I read and understand what Google has to say about the ADP1.
I am more concerned about where I can get with other devices. Why? Plain and simple: The cost of the device.
I can get a German T-Mobile G1 at 350 Euro, in my native language (German), with two years of full warranty, delivered right to my door, the ability to yell at people to get a device exchanged, no hassles (except for the lack of root access to date).
Compared to that, a Google ADP1 does not offer any warranty, costs me USD 399 + serious tax + shipping expenses (shipping to Germany).
If I could get a German T-Mobile G1 device into a state of openness that is comparable to the ADP1, that would be an easy pick. I know that the German G1 cannot be rooted (yet), thus my question.
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You could load the engineering bootloader and the rest of the images (inclusive the adp1) in your german device, so it doesn't matter.
Also is good to have the engineering bootloader if you wan't to develop parts of the android system, but if you wan't to develop android applications, any android terminal will be fine.
As far as I'm aware there is no difference in hardware between any of them.
So, you could buy whichever is the cheapest and flash the desired firmware onto it, which in your case, would probably be the ADP.
But don't forget that the devices you get from T-mo are SIM locked. Even with shipping and tax, the ADP will end up costing only about 410 Euros.
It was 390 Euros for me, shipped to Austria.
You cannot flash ADP1 images to german phones, at least not for now. Do not forget, that the warranty, ability to yell and requesting device exchange comes for the price of not having root. ADP1 does not have any warranty exactly for the reason, that since you have root, if you break something, you get to keep all the pieces.
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Given the problems Voda users seem to be experiencing im a little wary of upgrading to this phone first thing, especially as im a longstanding WinMo user jumping ship... The question I'm asking is more directed at those of you UK TMO that have upgraded in the past.
I have the opportunity to get one of these (assumedly uk) simfree for the 15th preordering from an online retailer (yes, the big 'A'.co.uk) for £500. I rang 150 today and natch they were tight lipped about my options as my upgrade isnt for a coupla weeks, but seeing as im on their flext 40 tariff that gives me virtually unlimited everything with no overcharges for data and a FUP of a Gig, I would like to hang on to that. It was however an 18mth contract that let me get the HD2 last Jan. so if i can save ~£20 a month from commiting to a phoneless upgrade then over 2yrs it more or less pays for itself, running by the math.
But just how likely is that saving?
Also they have nothing on their radar yet for this phone in their upgrade dept so it may be a while before they can even offer it to their customers and theres no guarantee I will get it without forking out some towards the handset or maybe even having to go for a new tariff entirely, hence why im leaning towards ordering online to get it sooner.
As i tend to stick with stock roms is a simfree option going to cause issues if i want to use say the online video stream services with the TMO sim, or get upgrades from htc.com in the future for example? Does the rom brand not matter much these days?
Seeing as my upgrade option is before the online store will deliver I will know one way or the other but forwarned is forarmed and I would like to phone TMO up with a bit of an idea of how they play beforehand...
Thanks guys!
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Given the problems Voda users seem to be experiencing im a little wary of upgrading to this phone first thing, especially as im a longstanding WinMo user jumping ship... The question I'm asking is more directed at those of you UK TMO that have upgraded in the past.
I have the opportunity to get one of these (assumedly uk) simfree for the 15th preordering from an online retailer (yes, the big 'A'.co.uk) for £500. I rang 150 today and natch they were tight lipped about my options as my upgrade isnt for a coupla weeks, but seeing as im on their flext 40 tariff that gives me virtually unlimited everything with no overcharges for data and a FUP of a Gig, I would like to hang on to that. It was however an 18mth contract that let me get the HD2 last Jan. so if i can save ~£20 a month from commiting to a phoneless upgrade then over 2yrs it more or less pays for itself, running by the math.
But just how likely is that saving?
Also they have nothing on their radar yet for this phone in their upgrade dept so it may be a while before they can even offer it to their customers and theres no guarantee I will get it without forking out some towards the handset or maybe even having to go for a new tariff entirely, hence why im leaning towards ordering online to get it sooner.
As i tend to stick with stock roms is a simfree option going to cause issues if i want to use say the online video stream services with the TMO sim, or get upgrades from htc.com in the future for example? Does the rom brand not matter much these days?
Seeing as my upgrade option is before the online store will deliver I will know one way or the other but forwarned is forarmed and I would like to phone TMO up with a bit of an idea of how they play beforehand...
Thanks guys!
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I thought that this phone was coming out on T-Mobile in the UK next month but I could be mistaken.
If you are on T-Mobile and you don't see the phone you want now, they should be able to give you a discount down to £20 or less for up to 6 months. This discount will disappear once you upgrade.
ROMS do make a difference. Often the telephone companies will be slow to updated their ROMS or you may never get an update that is available for stock ROM options. IF the phone is fully unlocked by HTC then you will be able to remove the T-Mobile ROM and upgrade via this site in the future if you aver need to.
Unless of course you want to use it on different networks, ie international.
Carrier phone comes with those fat discounts, so i don't know why anyone would ever PREFER to pay full retail?
Yet people say they prefer to do it.
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Unless of course you want to use it on different networks, ie international.
Carrier phone comes with those fat discounts, so i don't know why anyone would ever PREFER to pay full retail?
Yet people say they prefer to do it.
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The unlocked international versions are often available before the US carriers release their modified versions. They also often have higher resale values for people who like to switch phones a lot.
ok, i was assuming both versions are available. but higher resale makes some sense, although that alone doesn't add up to not wanting carrier brand.
Maybe less bloatware, faster updates, etc?
Less bloatware is a big part of it, I think, but there are also contractual benefits. It's sometimes easier to cancel a plan without paying a hefty termination fee if you paid for the phone outright. Additionally, certain plans (e.g. T-Mobile's "best plan ever") do not provide subsidies for good phones (e.g. HTC Sensation). Basically, it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. You can buy the phone outright and then get a cheaper plan or buy a subsidized phone with a more expensive plan. If you plan on keeping your phone more than 2 years and/or switching carriers, it's a good investment to get the cheaper plan.
I don't even think they have less bloatware, or get faster updates. They can't update their phone until a carrier somewhere releases a build for that phone. Unless they are going off an ASOP build which still requires that devices drivers to be released. I've never had an unlocked phone myself. I assume it would also make it easier to travel internationally, but if the carrier had already released their version of the phone I wouldn't go and buy an unlocked version.
I buy unlocked usually because I like to get the hottest devices first and they are usually released overseas before coming to US; Galaxy S2 for example. I am also not on a contract.
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If you're talking about new phones, the difference is the 2 yr contract. If you're talking about used phones, the difference is probably about ten bucks (or whatever the cost is to get an unlock code).
Unbranded phone=$10 unlimited data on at&t.
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Unless of course you want to use it on different networks, ie international.
Carrier phone comes with those fat discounts, so i don't know why anyone would ever PREFER to pay full retail?
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Sometimes (subsidized price + contract cost over 2 years) actually costs more, or negligibly less than (unlocked price + equivalent prepaid cost over 2 years). That was the case with me, and it depends mostly on what plans the carrier offers, as well as what promotions happen to be on at the time. When that happens, a contract is just plain not worth it.
Even if it is slightly or somewhat worth it (which is the most it's going to get), that's still 2 years of vendor lockin you have to consider.
And, of course, even the option of using your phone internationally is worth something, even if you have no actual plans of going yet.
The reason people get unlocked phones vary, but most can be classified under these:
- Phones that are not available in a given market
- Update without a two year commitment to a given carrier
- Cheaper to get a used phone on ebay/amazon than a new one from the carrier if you are not due for an upgrade
- Unlocked bootloader, rooted, or bloatware free. -- As most carriers nowdays want their phones locked.
- Possible higher resell value
allows you to use other carrier sim cards. Good if you travel and use different country sim cards on other networks.
The first step is understanding that you don't get a "fat discount" when buying a carrier branded phone. You end up paying more than the full price of the phone in most cases.
They get updates first look at the international phones and compare them to ours. The SG got the update over seas to gingerbread and here in the states it took forever.
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•Unlocked to use anywhere
•More resale value
•No bloatware from carriers
•Faster / more direct updates without needing carrier approval
•Usually more dev support since carriers variants isolate models from one another
•Availability much before carrier versions (mostly, depends on exclusivity)
There was a time when carriers would impose restrictions on features which were stock from the manufacturers and threaten them with not buying handsets if they did not implement these restrictions. For example, features like a music player would be locked out in favor of the carrier's music service and music player to help support their store. The phones would be heavily branded and often hardware locked out of even flashing to a different firmware/rom.
If you do a present value of all the payments you will pay to the carrier for the life of the contract + the cost of the "discounted" handset you have to pay today, you will find in many cases the cost ending up greater than buying the unlocked phone outright. I suppose time-value of money plays into it... (but not really with this economy)
its not too hard to unlock your own phone, also quite a few phones are global phones, the carrier branded ones just don't say that you can use them overseas
And they don't put crap in them to kill things. When you are not locked in for 2 years they tend to be more helpful. Unlike the droping 4g LTE big red. I am starting to think most of the AT&T hater's had a 2g iphone and got a droid and now think there is no better than the big red, becuase TV SAID SO 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times. There ads are starting to make me sick, becuase they lie.
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After reading things like this I'll never buy a phone from a carrier again. I just don't want to be help to some absurd plan when much cheaper ones are available.
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I live in Venezuela, and if I want to get a decently priced smartphone, my only choice is to buy an unlocked one over amazon or ebay if I cant get some dollars and a courrier service.
For example, you cant get an USED LG Optimus 2X here in my country at 4.500bsF, that's like 500$.
Nowadays, the smartphone market is growing a lot here, taking apart the fact that we have the greatest blackberry users per capita in South America.
Something like that happens in Brasil, Argentina etc.
Dillsnik said:
Unless of course you want to use it on different networks, ie international.
Carrier phone comes with those fat discounts, so i don't know why anyone would ever PREFER to pay full retail?
Yet people say they prefer to do it.
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Because those "fat discounts" are short term - the discounts are usually lost over the course of the contract you have to sign. You save a few hundred initially but end up paying a few hundred more by the end. I say 'usually' because it's not especially common in the U.S.
I'm looking to sell my ATT Htc OneXL and have had inquiries from overseas (currently I'm in the US). If I sell this to someone overseas, as is (no unlocked anything etc) will it still be able to work in whichever country they're in with a sim card they buy (I know LTE isn't available abroad)? And if that's not the case, will unlocking it via the new 2.20 exploit method, allow someone to use it overseas? Thanks!
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I'm looking to sell my ATT Htc OneXL and have had inquiries from overseas (currently I'm in the US). If I sell this to someone overseas, as is (no unlocked anything etc) will it still be able to work in whichever country they're in with a sim card they buy (I know LTE isn't available abroad)? And if that's not the case, will unlocking it via the new 2.20 exploit method, allow someone to use it overseas? Thanks!
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It "can" work on other carriers sim cards but it must first be sim-unlocked which most not be confused with the bootloader unlocked that you refered to as the new 2.20 exploit. ATT will sim-unlock your device for free if your account with them is in good standing, and there are other sites that will sim-unlock your device for a small fee. The 2.20 exploit has nothing to do with the sim card though.
In isolated cases, some people have been having trouble getting the SIM unlocked from paid unlocking services. If that is the case for the foreign buyer, they are going to be dissatisfied, and probably seek a return/refund, even if you state in the terms of the transaction that the phone is sold as-is and SIM locked. You would still be in the right to refuse a return, but its going to result in a pissed-off buyer, nonetheless. Not a position I would want to be in, personally. Plus, I would think that there would be enough interest from US buyers, that you would not have to hassle with a foreign sale. Especially once you add in the cost of shipping to a foreign location.
And as already mentioned, root and bootloader unlock do not get you SIM unlock. Might be possible with S-Off, but that has not yet been achieved. There is no way to get SIM unlock, aside from AT&T or paid services.
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It "can" work on other carriers sim cards but it must first be sim-unlocked which most not be confused with the bootloader unlocked that you refered to as the new 2.20 exploit. ATT will sim-unlock your device for free if your account with them is in good standing, and there are other sites that will sim-unlock your device for a small fee. The 2.20 exploit has nothing to do with the sim card though.
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Thanks for the info. I'm in good standing with ATT so hopefully they'll allow me to sim-unlock it. Thanks again
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In isolated cases, some people have been having trouble getting the SIM unlocked from paid unlocking services. If that is the case for the foreign buyer, they are going to be dissatisfied, and probably seek a return/refund, even if you state in the terms of the transaction that the phone is sold as-is and SIM locked. You would still be in the right to refuse a return, but its going to result in a pissed-off buyer, nonetheless. Not a position I would want to be in, personally. Plus, I would think that there would be enough interest from US buyers, that you would not have to hassle with a foreign sale. Especially once you add in the cost of shipping to a foreign location.
And as already mentioned, root and bootloader unlock do not get you SIM unlock. Might be possible with S-Off, but that has not yet been achieved. There is no way to get SIM unlock, aside from AT&T or paid services.
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, I'm in good standing with ATT (as far as I know) and would prefer to get it sim-unlocked on my end before shipping it overseas just so the buyer has no problems with it.
I've had a hard time finding a US buyer. I've posted the phone on Swappa and Craigslist. Lots of looks but no real interest it seems like. If you can recommend some other places I might be able to try and sell it, I would appreciate it. Thanks for the info none the less!
I think 11/06/2012 is the date AT&T will officially start to allow the One X to be sim unlocked (by them for free). AT&T Customer care will let you know for sure. The online unlocking guys do it for less than $5 if you don't have luck with AT&T or don't have the patience to wait for them. Price is the key factor in selling anything, if priced right it will go fast. Priced poorly and it will linger with little interest.
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Thanks for the info. Yeah, I'm in good standing with ATT (as far as I know) and would prefer to get it sim-unlocked on my end before shipping it overseas just so the buyer has no problems with it.
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AT&T may or may not give the SIM unlock code to you. Technically, they don't need to give it to you for a period of 10 months after the phone was released (May 2012) per their policy. But have given the code for some devices after 6 months (which is right about now). Some people have already gotten the code for the One X. Being a long time customer, and multiple lines may have been a factor. There is really no guarantee. But certainly doesn't hurt to ask.
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I've had a hard time finding a US buyer. I've posted the phone on Swappa and Craigslist. Lots of looks but no real interest it seems like. If you can recommend some other places I might be able to try and sell it, I would appreciate it.
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eBay. Lots more exposure than Craigslist (just going to get local attention), and I've never even heard of Swappa. Maybe I'm just out of the loop about that website. But everyone has heard of eBay.
Looks like some really good activity on eBay for the AT&T One X. Not surprising, since its a great phone still. Not sure what you expect to get. But it looks like lots of AT&T One X's going for $200-300 with time still left in the auctions (depending on condition).
I called and 11/6/12 is the end of the att HTC one x exclusive thingy. This was two weeks ago but my phone was already unlocked when it arrived.
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I was just reading an Engadget post about how unlocking a carrier locked phone is illegal now, in the US anyway. It was long, but really didn't answer the question I had. I am on T-mobile with no contract and like to switch phones every few months. My most frequent stop for phones is eBay, although recently I've gotten unlocked phones from Amazon and Newegg as well. On eBay, I usually buy a locked carrier version (usually At&t) because they are usually cheaper than straight unlocked ones (carrier branded) and much cheaper than international unlocked ones. Then I buy an unlock code from eBay for a few bucks and voila. For some phones that are carrier exclusive or have no international variant yet, this is the only way to get them.
Does this new rule apply to me? I'm thinking no since it is second hand after all and I'm not the one who signed the contract, but they are vague about second-hand unlocking. I also sell my phone on eBay once I'm done using it.
I think of you as you are to unlock the phone which actually was first locked.
This is my opinion, now expect others to comment on
I think as long as the original contract has been satisfied it doesn't matter.
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This is so Verizon,Contact phones and other junk. I have a unlocked phone from ebay on simple mobile which is gsm can use it anywhere in the world and no contract, I just rooted my sisters new S3 on the same phone carrier its under contract,lets see what happens I dont expect anything its my phone in so many words as long as I pay the bill Right ?
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This is so Verizon,Contact phones and other junk. I have a unlocked phone from ebay on simple mobile which is gsm can use it anywhere in the world and no contract, I just rooted my sisters new S3 on the same phone carrier its under contract,lets see what happens I dont expect anything its my phone in so many words as long as I pay the bill Right ?
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As i know in europe and maybe also in US it is not illegal to unlock your phone - if you have no contract anymore with any provider !
Because it's "YOUR PHONE" and if you make the choice to cut it in small slices - why not - it is yours (when paid) !
But one decision - you have to unlock yourself - as i know it is not allowed by companies in US !
I read the actual text of the decision and it's pretty clearly spelled out (and not even that long). Sorry to be that guy. :silly:
Yeah I have no idea what some of you people are talking about. Or understand the Engrish. The phone is sold to an end user and the software is also licensed to them. This is the relationship between the carrier and the user entering a contract. However, I don't buy direct from the carrier or sign any contracts. Thus, I am not a license holder at all. Furthermore, the ruling allows for "legacy" devices to be unlocked and sold. Legacy device would be loosely understood as second hand, basically what I am buying and unlocking.
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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
They'll have to respond to this issue now so hopefully it gets changed and you won't have to worry.
how to other country?
If you have the carrier unlock it, it is not illegal.
If you use your upgrade to get a cheaper phone with a contract and then use a 3rd party SIM unlocker to use on another carrier then it IS illegal.
Start with asking the carrier it is locked by for an unlock code
As the title would suggest, I going give my opinion on buying S9+. Again this is my experience and my opinions. I understand most of the community here is smart and don't need financial advice about how to spend their cash. I'll try to break it down into parts so people understand my opinion. So let's start:
So as many as you know S9 and S9+ was release 3/16/2018. There is 2 version of this phone you can get bloat or no bloatware. What do I mean? In San Diego where I live, my carrier is AT&T. They sell the S9+ at $789.99 if you do one of their payments plans. However if you want buy the device out right then the price is $940.99 this is the att version. I believe the same for Verizon and Tmoblie. But Tmoblie sell it at $839.99. If you are willing g to buy the unlocked version without carrier then it $839.99 however you have to buy it from a retailer like bestbuy or amazon.
My suggestion is to buy the phone out right and unlocked. The main reason is there is no bloatware. If you buy carrier version of the device out right from they add $100 more just to have bloatware. There is no difference hardware specs on the device. So why pay more just to have the carrier bloatware?
Now if that is not an option and you want to make payments, still buy the unlocked version and do payments with credit card. If you cant do that and you have to go thru your carrier then understand the payment plan and I advise against it. Right now all of the major carriers have deal where you can trade in your old Samsung up to $350 towards the S9 & + and its good. The catch is that credit goes towards your bill and not the device. That is crazy. Plus they give you an $150 Visa gift card. So in reality they are only giving $150 for the phone. I'm talking about AT&T. I'm pretty sure it's the same for the other carriers as well. Now my advice is to sell your device yourself and use that money towards the phone or come with at least half when you upgrade setup the payments wait a bill cycle and payoff the other half.
Honesty, buying this phone unlocked is the way to go. There is no reason to buy the carrier version since they just add bloatware and slow down performance. Plus you have the option of leaving your current carrier if they **** up your bill or there is a better deal out there.
I bought the ATT carrier locked version. The only "bloat" I see is a couple of games which I was able to uninstall. Not just deactivate, but actually uninstall. The ATT apps themselves I either uninstalled or use. Again, not disable but uninstall.
If you have the money to buy unlocked, good for you. However, the payment plans are 0% interest. Buying a 800-900 dollar phone on credit, your now paying more than what your claiming to save by buying it unlocked. Again, all the "bloat" I've noticed is uninstallable. On my last phone you could only disable them.
In my case I was able to sell my old device and only pay the difference. I considered just going through the carrier. Honestly I don't want to be held to a two year contract of paying off the device. Your right, buying a device on credit compaired to the carrier is cheaper with 0% interest. That not always going to be the case in the future. Again I'm just suggesting there options out there.
Certain cards, like best buys, offer 0% over 12 months. I upgrade every year with that and sell past generations phone and it covers about ⅔ the cost of the new phone
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Though this doesn't apply to everyone, I agree with OP on going the unlocked route to ensure faster official updates directly from Samsung. I am actually going a step further and getting international unlocked model (with unlocked bootloader) as I can't imagine buying a phone that has manufacturer/carrier enforced locked boot loader.
Not really followed the Galaxy Series as of late but I'm thinking of importing the SD 845 variant (for emulation) and wondering how long until bootoader can be unlocked? Would love project treble ROMs on it.
And does the Google camera work on the SD 845 variant?
There are ups and downs to each way of doing it. Though you mention the upside of doing unlocked, there is a downside if you want to use some functions too.
One upside you didn't mention on the unlocked versions is you get the Caller ID function stock! Most carriers will charge $3 a month for their "supreme" service.
Downside of doing unlocked is you might miss out on additional carrier features as well.
- HD Calling (hit and miss on this odd one at least with Verizon on past phones)
- Wifi / VoLTE Calling
- Hotspot (there can be work around to this)