Most of the recent WM6 rom chefs have been advocating making NO performance tweaks, in favor of keeping as large a RAM pool as possible. As I rarely need 30mb to run a program, I am happy to give up what I don't need if it will help get data back and forth to the SD card and so on faster. Has anyone got thoughts or data about this? I don't own a benchmarking program so I can't check it out directly. I have been making all the tweaks anyway, but does it matter?
Thanks for your thoughts!
Ed
X-Plore 1.1
IPL/SPL 3.08
GSM 2.69.11
edhaas said:
Most of the recent WM6 rom chefs have been advocating making NO performance tweaks, in favor of keeping as large a RAM pool as possible. As I rarely need 30mb to run a program, I am happy to give up what I don't need if it will help get data back and forth to the SD card and so on faster. Has anyone got thoughts or data about this? I don't own a benchmarking program so I can't check it out directly. I have been making all the tweaks anyway, but does it matter?
Thanks for your thoughts!
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I agree completely! I'd like to see a WM6 ROM with all the performance tweaks and 8 MB page pool. I know jwzg is working on an 8MB pp ROM based on Faria's up coming Vanilla WM6 ROM.
Check out this thread for more info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299584&page=10
Thanks for the link. I really don't understand the drive for smaller and smaller page pools either...
Some Answers!
OK, here is my contribution to the WM6 literature...
I am running battery status 1.04 beta 3 with the following settings in all tests: cpu speed 247, cpu scalar min 143, boost 278. set on wakeup, remember last speed. My base setup is as per my signature. I ran SK Tools v 3.1.1.0 in demo mode. I also removed the HKLM\init launch100 key in both cases.
All tweaks, No tweaks
Integer (moves/25us) 134.0864, 134.4001
Floating point MWIPS 3.490, 3.489
RAM Access speed index 345, 328
Draw bitmaps speed index 503, 522
Main storage (w) KB/sec 607.78, 612.14
Main storage (r) KB/sec 3670.25, 3469.23
Storage card (w) KB/sec 412.76, 423.11
Storage card (r) KB/sec 3353.71, ! 1119.13
As you can see, the major difference is in the storage card read speed. This led me to retest using only the SD card speed tweak, and no others. Surprisingly, the result was unchanged from using no tweaks! So, likely there is some interaction with the other file system tweaks that is involved. (See the wiki-WM5 performance tweaks). At some point maybe I'll try to pin it down further.
Regards,
Ed
BTW: Sorry for the poor formatting, for some reason the extra white space between columns is being suppressed in the post.
When I was using NotTooSmart's ROM, it had some performance tweaks. I don't have a benchmark prog but it was definitely much faster. I would say it's comparable to when I had it overclocked to 234-247MHz...
I believe what made the most difference was the System Cache... I lost ~10MB of RAM but the ROM was flying... Start up was scary though... I think it went <2MB w/ the progs I had...
edhaas said:
Thanks for the link. I really don't understand the drive for smaller and smaller page pools either...
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A lot of people tend to be RAM fanatics... that's probably what drove cooks to have smaller and smaller page pools... Another thing is people and numbers.. many tend to feel the bigger, the better.. High IPL/SPL, High Radio, High OS, High Storage, High RAM.. I think you get the picture.. =P
Update on tweaks
I think I'm near the max. I maxed out the file cache, and filter cache, kept the SD cache at 256 and re-ran the benchmarks. Slightly higher numbers all round, but a dramatic increase in SD card read rate, now up to 6.5 mb/sec! I would expect this would speed loading those big programs and files from the SD card, and is 6 times the "stock" speed!.
Regards,
There was a post a few weeks ago (I think) where someone did comparisons with playing with PagePools and the performance. They compared 4MB, 6MB, 8MB, and 12MB pagepools. As I recall there was very little difference between 12MB and 8MB performance. I think 6MB was the worst of the 4.
Again this was all from memory, but I just remember after reading that, I no longer was that concerned about the differenence in performance over the added extra memory available by dropping to 8MB.
Performance tweaks
Actually, in thinking about the issue, it occurs to me that the standard benchmarks we are using (SPB Tools) don't measure things that would likely be changed by a change in page pool. CPU calculations, memory access speeds, would not change by changing the page pool or buffer sizes. The only measurement which would change would be the speed of swapping programs and data in and out of memory (by suppressing the actual need to do so) or accessing the memory card. However, these things *would* impact on "real life" apparent speed of the device in activation of programs and quick response times.
Thoughts?
Forgive my obvious ignorance... This is the closest thread I have found for my search, "SD card speed tweak" so can you please help me? point me to the tweak to speed up my SD card?
thanx in advance!
Re: Speed tweaks
Sure, If you want awesome numbers on SK Tools SD read benchmark, (particularly when combined with overclocking) make these registry changes:
HKLM>Drivers>SDCARD>ClientDrivers>Class>MMC_Class:
Change BlockTransferSize to 256 decimal
HKLM>Drivers>SDCARD>ClientDrivers>Class>SDMemory_Class:
Change BlockTransferSize to 256 decimal
HKLM>System>StorageManager>FATFS:
Change CacheSize to 4096, 8192, or 16384 decimal
HKLM>System>StorageManager>Filters>freplxfilt:
Change ReplStoreCacheSize to 4096, 8192, or 16384 decimal
The larger the numbers the faster the benchmark. However, some of the other benchmarks run slighly slower, and I'm not sure I see significant "real life" improvements in responsiveness. I'd be interested in your impressions. One thing to watch out for, particularly when using the 16384 settings, is that available memory can drop to "dangerously" low levels on start up from soft reboot. If you're using batterystatus you can monitor this. As long as you stay above 2mg or so at the minimum you're ok, as the situation resolves after the start up routines finish. If you do go below, I've had the screen blank temporarily and hang for a moment, but it eventually booted fine anyway.
Have fun!
Thank you for your prompt and courteous answer!! I am still learning this PocketPC stuff. Someday I hope to be able to contribute. It already seems faster!
email tweaks
is there anyway to make my pics in emails auto download?
(instead of having to click "download pics" every time...)
and to create shortcuts to my text messages and other applications, how can i do that?
b.mann said:
is there anyway to make my pics in emails auto download?
(instead of having to click "download pics" every time...)
and to create shortcuts to my text messages and other applications, how can i do that?
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This question is slightly offtopic, but I'll answer you anyways.
Go to the email account you want to change:
Menu/Tools/Options/Choose The Account (it will take you into email setup):
Next/Next/Next/Options/Next/Next/Download size limit (drop down menu - choose what you want)/Finish
Hi,
I saw the benchmarking results that you guys posted and the difference between "with tweaks" and "without tweaks". The numbers sure show a difference with the benchmarking results but what i'd like to ask and what i'd really like to know is - have you noticed a significant difference in actual/real life performance on ur wizard? Was it obviously faster?
I mean, for me and IMHO, i'm not much of a fan of "benchmark" results and all that unless I actually see a "real" difference in speed when i use my PPC. I don't think i'll go for the performance tweaks if i'll loose 10+MB of RAM and am only able to see "benchmark" results being better instead of overall actual performance. That's why i'd like to get ur inputs on this whole performance tweaks thing...is there a noticeable difference in speed? (not just benchmark data)
WM 6.1 Tweaks
Hi,
Even the thread is quite old,
after some time of using WM6 and 6.1 and test meny mor etweaks, there I post some of them who i found usefull.
TKS to all contributors form xda or another.
1. Stop 3G services: settings\phone\ HSDPA must be disabled; RAT set to GSM; the internt still accesible trought GPRS for the most operators
Result in: less batery consumption 1-2 days stdby increase to 3-4 days
reduce blockings and wake-up problems
2. Disable Power management for SD card: use poket toolman or others and uncheck Enable Power Mgmt for SD card; or use regedit and change to
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Class\SDMemory_Class]
“DisablePowerManagement“=dword:00000001
Other option:
Change reg into
[HKLM\System\StorageManager]
“PNPUnloadDelay“=dword:8196
[HKLM\System\StorageManager]
“PNPWaitIODelay“=dword:8196
Note that the 8196 should be entered as a DECIMAL value. The HEXADECIMAL (HEX) equivalent is 0×00002004.
Result in: Less blocking and sd diseaparing fix or slow upload sd when wake-up
More consumption on batery, about 10% more, but with tweak 1 still OK
3. Uncheck today timeout: settings\items\ uncheck Today timeout
Result in: less delay when a phone call income o r standby resume
4. Try to instal the alarm programs and sounds files direct into main memory instead of SD; to avoid sd blocking when standby resume
5. Install .NET Compact Framework 3.5 (last vers) to your device, as:
1. Download .NET Compact Framework 3.5 from Microsoft and save it on your PC.
2. Run the downloaded MSI file and let it install.
3. Connect your device to Activesync/Windows Mobile Device Center and finish the automatically launched installation on your device.
4. Soft reset your device.
5. Open a Registry editor and navigate to HKLM\Software\Microsoft\.NETCompactFramework where you will see two entries for the (now two) existing version references: the old one, which came with your device and the new one you just installed.
6. Change the DWord value of 3.5.7283.00 from 0 to 1 (thus enabling it) and all the other values (i.e.: 2.0.7045.00) from 1 to 0 (thus disabling it/them).
7. Soft reset your device.
Result in: shorter time (gain 0.5 sec) to navigate trough windows menus and buttons actions.
6. Activate lock applet on today menu; Without this function when the phone is in stand-by and a call income the phone delay has about 8-10s to wake-up.
Result in: the wake-up on call is shorter (gain 4-5 sec) than without this lock checked in today settings; somehow WM use this library to pass trowght to wake up.
7. Speed-up the SD card read; tks to edhaas contributor from xda-developers.
Action: increase some SD cache into registry:
a) HKLM>Drivers>SDCARD>ClientDrivers>Class>MMC_Class:
Change BlockTransferSize to 256 decimal
b) HKLM>Drivers>SDCARD>ClientDrivers>Class>SDMemory_Class:
Change BlockTransferSize to 256 decimal
c) HKLM>System>StorageManager>FATFS:
Change CacheSize to 4096, 8192, or 16384 decimal
d) HKLM>System>StorageManager>Filters>freplxfilt:
Change ReplStoreCacheSize to 4096, 8192, or 16384 decimal (16384 is dangeours high, some blank screen at startup)
a), b) settings are regulary set by default to 256; c), d) is by default to 0, so change-it and see if gain some perf.
All of them has tested and works fine.
Apply and now I found my i-mate ultimate 6150 OK, instead of first phone impression when I blame-it.
For those of us who know just enough to make some real toast with a kitchen, or people who want to just sit down and eat at your fabulous restaurants and consume your delectible cheffery, page pool, even if it hasn't been changed, and an estimate of what the remaining memory might be w/o any changes, would be welcome additions to the menu, as it were.
(I've been having some trouble with the page pool tutorial/editing, myself, and if I could pick one that suits it would be much easier than, well, thinking. Isn't everything easier than thinking?)
i can tell you about my ROM free mem: 33-35 mb mem free, 36-38 mem free with camera driver off. with 4 mb pp, all systems operational.
now: decrease stats by 2mb and you have 3 mem for 6mb pp, it is not worth it imo.
1413:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...t=pagepool+hex
screen to prove working method:
http://i11.tinypic.com/624359e.png
on 6mb pp system seems to be more fluid in general, but it IS slower in tests(tcpmp movie test, emu test etc).
does increasing the pagepool DECREASE battery life?
what is your pagepool?
WHAT IS A RECOMMENDED PAGEPOOL?
Pagepool size doesn't affect the battery life of your phone.
It affects the performance & the available program memory of the phone.
This is how it goes: small pagepool means more memory & less performance, big pagepool means less memory & better performance
I have a Wizard & the most used pagepool sizes are 2,4,6mb. It is a matter of taste .-
samxein said:
Pagepool size doesn't affect the battery life of your phone.
It affects the performance & the available program memory of the phone.
This is how it goes: small pagepool means more memory & less performance, big pagepool means less memory & better performance
I have a Wizard & the most used pagepool sizes are 2,4,6mb. It is a matter of taste .-
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what do u think of a 8mb pagepool?
are u sure it doesnt lessen the battery life?
and does changing the pagepool higher make the startup quicker?
I am sure it doesn't affect the battery life.
For my Wizard 8mb pagepool is too large. I prefer 4mb.
Maybe for your phone it's perfect. I don't know what phone you have & what are it's specifications, especially the size of the Program Memory. My phone has only 64mb .
Try searching at your phones thread about recommended pagepool size.
I am not sure about the startup time. The logical is to be faster with bigger pagepool but I haven't test it.-
Page pool
the page pool varies on some devices.... wich one do you have?
It cant increase the startup time... it allows you to use many tasks at same time.
+ Que PPC said:
the page pool varies on some devices.... wich one do you have?
It cant increase the startup time... it allows you to use many tasks at same time.
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i have a cingular 8125
Hi
Before I mean that applications and tweaks that will give them are the ones I've used, tested and have worked for me, so if you have that you know could be so kind as to comment as you lack have managed to control the use of RAM.
I also want to say sorry if my English is bad, I had to use the Google translator on the one hand and on the other my little knowledge in English, I'm sorry.
Not if you have noticed but in the Custom Roms of our device we overuse of RAM, this becomes more noticeable even Roms based on Lollipop, as can be CyanogenMod 12 where we can see that sometimes bubbles Messenger chat can be closed or the music is turned off, so I write this guide to explain how to control this use with some applications that truth to me I have worked.
-Apps:
The truth use applications to control the use of RAM is very embarrassing, since we are no longer in a device with 180MB of RAM, and have to use Tweaks or applications that optimize this, for some use some Tweak or application on this device is something good to optimize it a bit more, but we think 1GB of RAM and a 1.2 Ghz processor with 4 core.
To control the use of RAM I recommend...
Root Booster(FULL VERSION):
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ram.memory.booster.cpu.saver
The truth is that this application achieving control the use of RAM on my device, but I had to buy the full version, you can use the mode solves this problem, in short, once you buy the application must be enabled mode more stability and activate (Required root to use this application, it is a bit obvious that the application is called root Booster).
AutoKiller:
Before knowing Root Booster using this application but really saw that I closed many processes necessary but the truth if I won a big improvement in the management of RAM, the truth if you run install I recommend you select the Ultimate mode.
-Tweaks:
Truth does not recommend it Tweaks init.d but the truth if they help as much as elsewhere in scrolling speed or other you run.
L-Speed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software-hacking/tweak-l-speed-v1-0-02-02-2015-t3020138
This Tweak me if I worked well to improve the speed of scrolling and a little more open applications, RAM usage but saw no improvement truth in one or another section if that worked.
Now, this is the only tweak I can recommend for this device.
-Things not recommend:
Do not mix Tweaks:
Many would say that mixing Tweaks will gain greater speed, but not really. In some cases this may cause system instability, causing not work normally, can cause terrible lags or even a brick, do not think for mixing Tweaks will gain greater speed, if your system already works well with you Tweak to mix with more.
Do not mix apps:
I say almost the same as in the previous tip, if your device and works well with an application to modify that, the truth if mixed apps can cause applications to close or in some cases are playing something and that game middle parting closure.
Well, that's all I can tell you, as I said at the beginning of the post if you have any Tweak or application that worked them to control this might share? would help users much more control this big problem, I hope you enjoyed this post and wish them well controlling this great use of RAM in their devices,
Greetings.