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So im looking to upgrade my phone soon. I currently use a Sidekick ID (Yes yes I know). Been a long time reader of the XDA forums so im looking for some expert advice from well, you guys(the experts). From my understanding the Tilt and Wing are pretty much the exact same phone with different carriers with the exception that the 8925(tilt) has double the ram speed and a faster cpu than the Herald(wing) as well as gps. Anyway the OBVIOUS choice is (Or at least I thought it was) the 8925(tilt). I proceeded to do some more research on the phone and soon discovered the Video Driver\No Hardware accelaration problem on those phones which was a huge turn off for me once I found out about it. As far as the Herald(wing) goes, it is obviously alot slower than the 8925(tilt) due to the slow cpu ,and freeing up memory is something that seems to be more of a tedious task that you have to do every so often. A friend of mine owns a Herald(wing) and he uses the OpenTouch Rom by Ttrans1 which is awesome and is definitely better/speedier than the stock rom. Anyway it seems to me that no matter which phone I get, I am taking a loss in some form or another. So I am here to ask you guys, would I be better off with a slow phone WITH proper video hardware acceleration (Herald/Wing) or a much faster Phone WITHOUT proper video hardware acceleration (Tilt/8925). Any advice,comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Both are more or less the same
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/htc-herald-reviewed-verdict-thin-and-awesome-211475.php
http://tecmoviles.com/htc-8925-sencillamente-espectacular/
But black looks better
.. wait .. why? Wait a month or two and use the upgrade on a newer phone (HTC Rapheal). Or, just upgrade to the HTC Dream if you don't mind an O.S. switch as it has the larger screen.
Trust me, you're going to be disappointed if you do the Tilt/etc and see the new ones out in a month or two at incredible prices (to compete with the iPhone's popularity and price-range).
Not sure if T-Mobile is getting the Rapheal, but AT&T should be getting it at the end of October from what I've been told. Obviously, T-Mobile's HTC Dream (G1) is releasing on the 14th of October I think (for $179 w/2yr).
Or even better, wait a little longer and you can get the HD!!!
That´s a real piece of work!
you can get teh G1 thats coming out next month. I currently have a wing and im really happy with it, but im selling it and getting the g1.
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Or even better, wait a little longer and you can get the HD!!!
That´s a real piece of work!
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I second that!! The HD will be the ultimate device!
First off,Thanks for the replies, I appreciate it. The general responses seem to be to wait for a newer/better device which makes sense and is the smarter choice Howeverm, the problem (which I failed to mention in my original posting) is that I need to decide within the next week because my job requires me to have a phone with exchange server email(Which I think the sidekick doesnt have and even if it does, the sidekick is not a very "professional" phone and I dont want to use it for work). After reading about the HD though I am DEFINITELY going to upgrade to it when it comes out, but for right now I need to decide between the wing or tilt as I can get either one for 150$. So anyone have any advice as far as those 2 phones go? I understand that they are more or less the same but they both have 2 different problems So I need advice as to which one would be the better choice FOR NOW given the problems they both suffer. Thanks
I figured I'd just throw this out there, I almost went for the AT&T Tilt but decided to forgo that and got the ETEN Glofiish M800. The Tilt and the M800 are pretty much direct competitors. The M800 has a VGA res screen so I got that . As far as I know, the specs were very similar.
There are some reported bugs with the M800, I've fixed all the issues I've had so far and all seems well.
Legodude522 said:
I figured I'd just throw this out there, I almost went for the AT&T Tilt but decided to forgo that and got the ETEN Glofiish M800. The Tilt and the M800 are pretty much direct competitors. The M800 has a VGA res screen so I got that . As far as I know, the specs were very similar.
There are some reported bugs with the M800, I've fixed all the issues I've had so far and all seems well.
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Ive read up on the glofiish and while its a pretty cool phone it is outside of my price range. But thanks for the suggestion as I had never even heard of that phone before prior to you mentioning it lol. Unfortunately, My choice is only between the Wing and The Tilt
So its almost time for a new phone, I pretty much have it narrowed down to the HTC Fuze or the G1 google phone. I am leaning towards the G1 since its the latest greatest and hopefully the future but at the same time these WM phones have tons of mods and active chefs, and it would stay pretty close to what I am already used to. I am leaning towards the G1 but any input on what you guys have chosen at this crossroad and what you would do differently would be greatly appreciated.
all depends on your personal preferences... since they're based on completely different interfaces and OS...
If i were you... i'd just go to the Dream section and read some of the threads related to whether you should or shouldn't buy one.. usually when a device is out the first few threads discuss it's pricing, problems... and advantages..
i'm not familiar with Android enough to give my input tho.
Hardware-wise, the Fuze is much newer than the G1. It's got more RAM, more ROM, and a higher resolution screen.
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Hardware-wise, the Fuze is much newer than the G1. It's got more RAM, more ROM, and a higher resolution screen.
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Check into the G1 because a G2 has been rumored to be in the works and possibly losed on the public sometime early 2009! Apparently it blows the G1 out of the water and will be 4G compatable!
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Check into the G1 because a G2 has been rumored to be in the works and possibly losed on the public sometime early 2009! Apparently it blows the G1 out of the water and will be 4G compatable!
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But then, he would probably have to wait a little bit more because the G3 will be on the works... endless loop really. I would not go with the G1 simply because it is a "test" imho. Google and HTC will try to get as much feedback on bugs (which it has plenty from what I understand). It will definitely get better, but I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a "beta". Just look at what happened to the iPhone owners when the 3G came out... nuff said...
I hope this helps you on your choice...
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Can the Blackstone & Hero be compared?
Which is better?
Can either of these phones be bought & used in Florida?
Is there another carrier besides ATT & Sprint either can be used with?
Thank you.
I'd definately go with the Hero if you don't plan on watching long movies on the screen. And with the upcoming ROM update from HTC most of the lag will be gone.
Appreciate that but is the Hero out & what carrier carrier? Thanks this is important.
Well you can buy both for at&t unlocked but the catch is with both you'll be restricted to EDGE speeds since they both dont have NA 3G bands. Strictly based on preference I'd say Hero, but on multimedia go with the HD.
I use 3G, been to 4G, need it for the web , email, w/some phone. Think any one else will carry it? Where can it be purchased? Hey Thanks for this.
@antrak: Just wanted to know, why is the hero not good for watching long movies?
Well the Hero is for sure coming to sprint, Verizon will be getting the whitestone (both just cleared the FCC) which has more powerful specs than the current blackstone so that'll solve the 3G issue. If both aren't an option and you're staying on at&t then check out
http://www.expansys.com/smartphone
http://cell-phones.shop.ebay.com/Ce...uch+hd&_catref=1&_fln=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282
http://cell-phones.shop.ebay.com/i...._dmpt=Cell_Phones&_odkw=touch+hd&_osacat=3312
Hey sorry for not reading all the threads , just did, I'm with AT&T with my PC, I have this Omnia w/Verizon which is going to end before the 30 days. Where is this info that the Whitestone is going to TMO?
Check out these engadget articles
Thanks for that it looks like I'm going to have to sign out of Verizon & sign back in when the Whitestone arrives, guess I'm going to have to pay more att. to engadget.
Hey that Whitestone is the Touch Diamond 2!!! You mean that's finally on its way here? Yay, geesh I forgot about that one. Now it comes down to the Leo or the TD2. Patiently I wait... Thanks Man!
From OP original question.
I prefer Blackstone because WM.
Android needs to grow up more to be a really mature OS, perhaps in the near future, but not now...
Just my opinion.
Blackstone, Hero, Cliq or the "Leo"
Patiently waiting I now see the Leo & the Cliq. Do you have any info for a newer choice regarding these phones?
Personaly the Leo is one I have been waiting for the longest, I have no cell at the moment & I hope you send another reply. Thanks
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Patiently waiting I now see the Leo & the Cliq. Do you have any info for a newer choice regarding these phones?
Personaly the Leo is one I have been waiting for the longest, I have no cell at the moment & I hope you send another reply. Thanks
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The real question is if you want android or windows mobile?
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Verizon you can get the Whitestone(CDMA Diamond2) when it comes out or the Touch Pro2. Both have a large 3.6 inch WVGA screen.
Sprint you can the Hero when it comes out next month or the Touch Pro2.
AT&t you can get the Diamond2 and TouchPro2 when they come out by the end of the year.
The unlocked Hero from Europe or the Blackstone can work on AT&T and T-Mobile, but have no 3g. So your stuck on edge, and that means slow internet speeds.
I would get the Whitestone or the Touch Pro2 cause they have 3g and have better specs then the Blackstone. If you want Android, and want the Hero(GSM). Get the Sprint Hero for the 3g.
As for the Leo, yes it's great. But no one knows when its coming out or where. So you might have to wait a while. And if it doesn't come to the US like the Blackstone did, you could pay a good penny for an non 3g phone.
In answer. No ATT,No Sprint, Verizon what do they have,nothing. KB with the TP2 I'm not crazy about,(seems bulky, had the Touch Pro, KB cramped) The D2 well having only virtual worries me. You see I'm kind of used to a touchscreen & KB since I've been with Sprint & had 6 of the 8 Palms up to the Pre.
I would like a large screen & the Leo with it's screen, but being virtual, I think I could adapt.
Wi/Fi mandatory, good battery a must. At least 3G speed (Rev A).
The D2 seemed nice with its large screen but the Leo does it one better.
Android is getting better but I've been with Windows for a while yet I do google.
So what do you think by my reply?
Hey Thanks for what you wrote.
BGR does a fine job letting us see & read reports on new phones. Here is where Leo's picture came from & the best review with the Diamond 2. I think the virtual KB is improving, so acceptable. If 'they' would devolop a dual OS I'd snap that up in a minute (as long as is has a large enough screen).
4G is now made, so if having to wait until 2010 I'll have no choice.
I know that the Leo has a better processor. Unfortunately I am on verizon and I am in need of a new phone. The touch pro2 seems like an amazing phone but I am worried about how future proof it will be. From what I read up on, the touch pro2 is supposed to be short lived. So I must ask, does anyone think there will be a time in the next year when the touch pro2 wont be able to handle something from the leo or any other snapdragon/tegra device? I know it wont handle it as well, but what are the possibilities of it not handling the program at all? Of course, this is purely speculation, but I just want to see what your opinions are.
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I know that the Leo has a better processor. Unfortunately I am on verizon and I am in need of a new phone. The touch pro2 seems like an amazing phone but I am worried about how future proof it will be. From what I read up on, the touch pro2 is supposed to be short lived. So I must ask, does anyone think there will be a time in the next year when the touch pro2 wont be able to handle something from the leo or any other snapdragon/tegra device? I know it wont handle it as well, but what are the possibilities of it not handling the program at all? Of course, this is purely speculation, but I just want to see what your opinions are.
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Get an HTC TOUCH HD2 mate !!
Here is a comparison of HTC TOUCH HD2 vs HTC TOUCH HD.
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8348
He's on a US CDMA carrier. Chances are if the HD2 does make it to the US, it'll be 2-3 months before an unlocked US GSM version with American bands, and another 1-2 months before any carriers (CDMA or GSM) pick it up. So... if a phone needs to be purchased any time soon, the HD2 is out of the question.
As for your question, do I think the TP2 will be short lived? Maybe, I think the HD2 is what HTC hopes to be the last hurrah before WM7. If you look at the roadmap that was leaked a while ago for this year, the only device that has not been released yet is the Athena replacement. I don't know if the original Athena was released on VZ, but the Athena replacement is the last phone to be on HTC's leak from earlier this year.
Touch pro 2 does not meet the minimum requirements of Windows Phone 7 but that does not mean that it won't be a phone that lasts. People are still using Hermes phones today. The Qualcomm 7200 processesors in the HD, Diamond 2 and Touch pro 2 will still likly be comparable to other Windows Phone 6.5 devices.
If you dream about having a Windows Phone 7 device when it comes out then hold out the TP2 may not be able to support it. If 6.5 is good enough for you then it's a great phone.
Thanks for the replies guys. My phone just bit the dust so I am really looking into what I can use for awhile. I looked up the leaked windows mobile 7 requirments and am sad to see that the tp2 wont meet that. But, then again, nothing out now or coming out soon will meet that. Hopefully some of these smart rom makers will be able to get us wm7 when we dont meet those requirements.
So basically its either grab the tp2 or wait for the motorola droid. I am not sure how impressed I am with android though. From what we have seen from the droid, it looks good. But I have not been impressed by the past android devices. What do you all think, both on the chance winmo 7 will run on current devices and the choice between the tp2 and droid?
Hmm well I think your choices are fairly limited if you want a new phone now. The TP2 is the same old slow **** we are used to from HTC for years. It will simply not compare to a phone with a modern chipset. Now, I don't have an HD2 yet (though it has been ordered) but I have played with TG01 which - though sometimes also laggy - completely blows the TP2 out of the water.
Not just the TG01 either. The Samsung Omnia II, Omnia Pro, and Armani 2 also completely blow the TP2 away. In fact, I have two TP2's and they have been gathering dust with virtually no use, in favor of the Samsung's, because the TP2 is just so godawfully slow.
The TP2 is in no way future-proof, it will not be able to keep up with your granny, and you will enjoy it a lot less than you might hope. It's a shameful display, scrap metal.
Then again, as I recall the better devices are not available in the US, so you're pretty much stuck with it... but believe me you're not getting your monies worth from it.
As for WM7, the rumor is the kernel testing device is an i780, which cannot keep up with even the TP2. So it's probably technically possible with some hacking to run WM7 on the thing. As for future apps not being able to run, it's quite possible for a handful of apps, though I would not call it likely until we hit WM7.
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Hmm well I think your choices are fairly limited if you want a new phone now. The TP2 is the same old slow **** we are used to from HTC for years. It will simply not compare to a phone with a modern chipset. Now, I don't have an HD2 yet (though it has been ordered) but I have played with TG01 which - though sometimes also laggy - completely blows the TP2 out of the water.
Not just the TG01 either. The Samsung Omnia II, Omnia Pro, and Armani 2 also completely blow the TP2 away. In fact, I have two TP2's and they have been gathering dust with virtually no use, in favor of the Samsung's, because the TP2 is just so godawfully slow.
The TP2 is in no way future-proof, it will not be able to keep up with your granny, and you will enjoy it a lot less than you might hope. It's a shameful display, scrap metal.
Then again, as I recall the better devices are not available in the US, so you're pretty much stuck with it... but believe me you're not getting your monies worth from it.
As for WM7, the rumor is the kernel testing device is an i780, which cannot keep up with even the TP2. So it's probably technically possible with some hacking to run WM7 on the thing. As for future apps not being able to run, it's quite possible for a handful of apps, though I would not call it likely until we hit WM7.
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Yea I am definitely stuck in the US. Plus I want a hardware keyboard. So that takes out a lot of them. From a strictly verizon bound device, what would you recommend chainfire?
Also, thanks for the info on the i780. Thats something that brightened up my outlook on winmo7.
Side note: I played around with the tp2 and liked it and thought it was pretty fast. But this is coming from a guy who hasn't been able to touch a device with modern chipsets.
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Yea I am definitely stuck in the US. Plus I want a hardware keyboard. So that takes out a lot of them. From a strictly verizon bound device, what would you recommend chainfire?
Also, thanks for the info on the i780. Thats something that brightened up my outlook on winmo7.
Side note: I played around with the tp2 and liked it and thought it was pretty fast. But this is coming from a guy who hasn't been able to touch a device with modern chipsets.
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I think with your requirements the TP2 is pretty much the only "choice" you have, though I am not intimate with what Verizon has on offer.
The question (for you - and only you can answer this) is, do you want to spend the ****load of money the TP2 will cost you on a device like the TP2 ? Perhaps you would be better off bridging the period until HD2+kb release with a dumbphone, or whatever. That's a personal thing, I don't know how the contract structure works with Verizon, how much it'll cost you, what you have to spend, how long you will be stuck with it, etc. And then, it is matter of how heavily those different parts of the equation weigh for you.
You just need to be aware of what you are buying - if you are, and are happy with it, great.
The new rumor is that the HD 2 cdma, the HTC Passion, will soon be in Verizon stores powered by Android 2.0
It may be time to wait , at least a little while longer.
http://theunlockr.com/2009/10/25/mystery-htc-android-handset-has-a-name-and-a-carrier/
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I think with your requirements the TP2 is pretty much the only "choice" you have, though I am not intimate with what Verizon has on offer.
The question (for you - and only you can answer this) is, do you want to spend the ****load of money the TP2 will cost you on a device like the TP2 ? Perhaps you would be better off bridging the period until HD2+kb release with a dumbphone, or whatever. That's a personal thing, I don't know how the contract structure works with Verizon, how much it'll cost you, what you have to spend, how long you will be stuck with it, etc. And then, it is matter of how heavily those different parts of the equation weigh for you.
You just need to be aware of what you are buying - if you are, and are happy with it, great.
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Hmmmm. I am going to have to look this over more. I hope an hd2+kb comes out soon, but I think that would be 6months or so (especially in the US) before we ever see that coming about. Ideally, I would want to go with a phone that you mentioned thats better than the tp2. Perhaps in a year we may see some of those hit verizon or others with 7 already installed on them. Speculation is killing me as I want to wait it out, but don't know how long I can last. I use my phone pretty heavily for business purposes. Given htc's track record, when would you predict an hd2+kb would be out?
EDIT: I posted the above before I saw denco's bit. Any word as to when it should be in stores? In the past I haven't been all that impressed with android, but maybe 2.0 will turn a new leaf for me.
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Hmmmm. I am going to have to look this over more. I hope an hd2+kb comes out soon, but I think that would be 6months or so (especially in the US) before we ever see that coming about. Ideally, I would want to go with a phone that you mentioned thats better than the tp2. Perhaps in a year we may see some of those hit verizon or others with 7 already installed on them. Speculation is killing me as I want to wait it out, but don't know how long I can last. I use my phone pretty heavily for business purposes. Given htc's track record, when would you predict an hd2+kb would be out?
EDIT: I posted the above before I saw denco's bit. Any word as to when it should be in stores? In the past I haven't been all that impressed with android, but maybe 2.0 will turn a new leaf for me.
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InfoSync said soon, but all others say early next year, check out the link for more rumored Verizon future offering
http://theunlockr.com/2009/10/25/mystery-htc-android-handset-has-a-name-and-a-carrier/
Hey, guys, and thank you for taking the time to click on my thread!
So, the main issue I'm having is choosing between buying an HTC Radar or a T-Mobile G2x (I have a T-Mobile SIM with 4G data plan, so I need a phone compatible with T-Mobile's HSDPA 900/1700/2100 bands). Generally, the reason I picked these two phones is because of the CURRENT price range I'm looking at ($200-$300). These two phones fit right in there.
I wouldn't be having this problem if it weren't for my original HTC Radar getting stuck in a boot loop and eventually just completely bricking on me (please check this thread for more information if you would like more info on this issue I'm having: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2053262 ), but I am here now, and because my warranty expired with HTC on the phone, and there doesn't seem to be a way to fix this problem, it looks like I'm going to have to buy a new phone.
I've been doing a lot of research, and while looking for phones compatible with T-Mobile's GSM/HSDPA network, and I stumbled upon the G2x. I relatively enjoyed the specs as compared to my Radar, and the fact that it had a dual core processor also piqued my interest. I noticed that it could only officially update to Gingerbread, but I didn't get too concerned with that, since there are a lot of great developers here who have long since made roms for 4.0, 4.1, and 4.2.
I have experience with Android, having used an HD2 with AmeriCAN, Cyanogen, and other rom types, as well as currently using my Archos 101G9 with 4.0. I like the interface and I'm pretty comfortable with it, but when I got my hands on the Radar for the first time, I had fell in love with the WP7.5 OS. It was pretty much everything I wanted in an OS, and I was looking for when 7.8 would be available on it (if it would be). However, having to use my backup Desire HD (which doesn't support T-Mobile's network--learned that the hard way), I started to warm up to using Android a bit more, especially with seeing how large the community here at xda is in regards to it. So... needless to say, I'm a little torn.
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Which do you think would be the better buy? Should I end up buying the G2x, which I could find on Amazon, even, for a good price new; Or replace my old Radar with another one, and try to wait for 7.8 or wait for an official release?
**Also, if there is any other better deals in my general price range ($200-$300), please let me know, as I am completely open to suggestions and advice from all of you, who are all most likely more experienced than me in this. Thank you all, again!
**Forgot to include that I also was considering the Galaxy SII and HD7, but I'm not sure if they would be worth it, due to battery specs (SII) and discontinued support for the HD7.