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Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
I get my Tilt Tuesday and am wondering what the "bottom line" is on this as well. It seems by removing bloatware, and installing a few cabs, you pretty much get a Kaiser. Speed and battery life are concerns for me though and if either is poor, I'm pretty comfortable installing a ROM (did it previously on my Wizard). Thanks to all for all the good info and advice. I've read way too much considering I don't even have the phone yet.
Hopefully we'll get an answer. On another forum I've read that you can install cabs to make the Tilt like the HTC, but on another thread I read that the HTC rom is different and better!
I'm not seeing any major disadvantages from using the HTC rom, actually, besides the menu problems which evidently have a fix. So, it might be worth a shot.
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dhecker said:
Hello all -
I am getting my Tilt from AT&T tomorrow and I've been reading like crazy on this forum + wiki in preparation of getting it. Thanks to everyone who has contributed - awesome resource!
I understand the idea of flashing ROMS, unlocking, and general tweaking - I massively hacking/tweak my Tivo, etc. and I'm pretty sure I can get through it. But, I still have one question:
What, exactly, is the advantage of the HTC rom over the AT&T Tilt rom? I have never see the HTC rom but it looks like I can avoid the bloatware and add/tweak to my Tilt to make it similar to the HTC.
So, what exactly is on (or not on) the HTC rom that makes everyone want to switch away from the Tilt rom? What does the HTC rom have that the AT&T rom can't have???
Also: I have noticed some posts about battery life being different with different roms. I assumed that battery life would result from the way the varoius settings/options are set, but maybe I am not getting this.
I have read around on the forum quite a bit and I am understanding most of the nitty gritty details about these issues, but I'm a little unclear on what the problem is with the AT&T rom in the first place!
Any advice apreciated!! thanks - Dave
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custom roms base on htc releases have many advantages:
1- get rid of all junk and restrictions of at&t one
2- reg hacks and fixes that take the most out of your phone
3- many more advantages but if numbered here will take me all night
search in these forum and you get many other reasons to change. For example i bought the tilt and in the same day i unlock it due a hardspl and change the rom to a custom one and beleive i will never come back to at&t stock rom.
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
Pops_G said:
I was in your guys shoes too. I read a ton on this forum before I got the phone. Here is my advice having had 2 Tilts, first one I had for a week, then returned it till I got a better deal.
When you first start the phone you go through a quick WM6 setup. After that it will say "Customizing Device" and there will be a progress bar. When this starts reset the phone with the stylus into the small hole at the bottom. That will prevent a lot of the ATT bloatware from loading.
Try that for a week, and if it isn't broke then don't fix it.
That said, there are a lot of HTC apps I love. Keep in mind you don't need a new rom to install them.
I would only try new ROMs if one or more of the following apply:
1) You are having some issues with stability or speed.
2) You need more space on the main memory.
3) You are lazy and want to try some other premade package.
Basically all the roms I tried are not that different then the stock ATT rom without the "Customizations" bloatware install. Plus you can get the phone to the exact same level by installing apps and doing small tweaks. Its not night and day or anything dramatic. However its fun to try new things and tweak the phone, thats one of the reasons I got it.
Here are my Must Have applications.
HTC Home
HTC Audio Manager
KaiserTweak
HTC Task Manager
Opera Mini Beta 4
Google Maps
Windows Live
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
It all comes down to preferrences. I have a Tilt, and I have installed just about every ROM available here. I keep going back to HTC oriented ROMS, but there is some drawback in that you have to "tweak" it a bit usually to get full AT&T usability. AT&T ROMS are good for staying "true" to the carrier's mindset, but usually are buggy or slower. Dutty's right now is my fav, but that could change
Battery life is best controlled with 2 applications, both the Kaiser Tweak program, and with a good comm manager program to disable comm when not in use. Or at least move between 2G and 3G connections. 3G is awesome fast, but a hugh battery drain.
Thanks for your input! I played with a Tllt for a while and the AT&T rom might have been slower (I don't know cause I've never seen the HTC!) but it was totally stable as far as I could tell. Is there some specific bugginess that you saw or are you just referring to the general sloppiness of the AT&T bundles, etc.?
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Pops, thanks for your informative reply. Is there really ANYTHING that the HTC rom can do that couldn't be somehow configured into the AT&T rom? I don't really mind flashing to a new rom but if I can start with the Tilt rom and configure everything I need (even if it takes a while ) that might be fine.
Am I correct in understanding that TouchFlo can work just fine on the AT&T rom? There are mixed messages about that.
Also, does any of this have anything to do with battery life??
thanks!
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No, there is nothing you cannot do with the AT&T rom given enough time and tweaking. Before I got my phone I some how got the impression ROMs where almost like a different animal. I think a better analogy would be comparing them to a house with furniture. The different ROMs are just different styles.
But if you are a real power user, and it sounds like you are, I would just use another ROM and start from there. You will save some time. I'm a fan of the "clean" ROMs that some with almost nothing installed. Then I build them up from there. They are very easy to install if you read the instructions. And it only takes like 10-15 mins max.
Pops - That last comment was interesting. I can totally see the advantage of installing a lite rom or for that matter, a fully loaded Dutty's rom, etc. My concern was that if I did that, I'd actually wind up having to tweak for a while to get things smooth on the Tilt since I wouldn't be using the 'stock' rom. The assumption is the everything would work on day 1 with the stock rom, so I can tweak but I never have to really get things going.
In your experience, if I installed the most recent version of Dutty's Hybrid Kaiser TouchFlo Final (if I'm gonna flash the rom, I might as well load it up) that things would be about as stable/easy as if I spent time customized the AT&T rom?
If there's not too much risk or BS I might just go for it! There is something about keeping the original rom that makes me feel more confident, but it's also fun to tweak on the thing!
Well there are two types of Kaisers right now. The original HTC branded one and the Tilt. They are different in 2 ways. For the Tilt, some roms require you to install a keyboard fix for a minor adjustment. Also you have to configure the AT&T internet settings. It depends on the ROM. Some of the ROMs are already designed for the Tilt.
To answer your question, yes some of these ROMs can have you up and running without any tweaking or adjustments at all. Just read their instructions, it varies for each one.
For me, if I start with a stripped down ROM it takes me about 2 hours or more to install all of my apps and tweaks. For the fully featured ROMs like Dutty's, you can be ready to go in 20-30mins.
I installed the HTC stock ROM on my Tilt for the same reason I install reference drivers for my video card:
1. They are more true to the manufacturer's specifications.
2. There are more frequent and faster updates available.
Number 2 was the most important for me, even though HTC has not released an updated ROM yet...but when they do, I know that I can install it and it will be closer to what I have been using.
I had the Tilt ROM installed for a few weeks before I reverted to the HTC ROM. I also installed the HTC customizations on the Tilt ROM and played with that for a while. I noticed slight differences between the applications like the HTC Home application UI behavour has minor differences. There was also more available memory on the HTC ROM from the Tilt ROM even after I cancelled the Tilt customizations from installing.
Oh here is a neat program to help you test different ROMs without losing your contacts, SMS, call history etc.
PIM Backup
Have to throw my 2 cents in also.
Just got the Tilt last month,and after my initial fear of flashing(and succesfully installing HARDSPL) I've flashed lots of these ROM's too. I however, have to agree with Pops_G, the best solution I've found has been a "clean ROM" and customize it the way I want. I prefer the ATT versions over the monochrome/big clock/UGLY UI that the Kaiser ones have. I've been using Kyphur's Tilt XDA-Live v1.1 and love it. It provides the most storage of ANY of the custom ROMs and has the newest radio also. It shows a significant difference in my area;where the signal borders on weak.
Alemaker
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
dhecker said:
Ok, these kinds of opinions and comments are really helping out. I think I'm gonna do this:
1) When the Tilt comes (today!) I'll play with the AT&T stock ROM for a while and get a feel for it.
2) Then, I'm going to flash Dutty's ROM - it has just about everything and it will give me a chance to look at everything from the Cube to the HTC apps and everything else. In general, I like to strip things out of my systems rather than bloat it out, but this sounds like an easy way to check it all out in one go.
3) Most likely I'll be want to install Tilt XDA Lite once I've had a chance to fool around with the others. With a clean start like that I can install the apps I want and get the thing fast/stable for good.
Sounds like fun! Here I go..
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Give yourself some time with each Rom (a few days) to really get a feel for it. Also know that your battery is going to be crap for a couple of weeks until it is properly "conditioned" so don't even include that in your comparison.
Another thing you need to consider what are you looking to gain from using a cooked rom? While it can be nice to have a lot of apps mixed in once there is a new version of an app you have to either flash an updated rom or install the update over the cooked version in which case you are now losing memory as the files in the rom can't really be deleted (only marked as such)...
kypher: Thanks for your input. I am interest in your comment about having apps in the rom, space, etc.
Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Am I understanding that when there are apps built into the rom, those apps can't really be updated/upgraded/(deleted?) without reflashing the rom?
So, with a stripped down rom could a user install the various apps and have the ability to upgrade/uninstall/delete those apps whenever they wanted to?
That seems like a major advantage to using a lite rom then building it up on your own, which is looking more and more like the way to go! Any clarification appreciated.
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Technically you can update (or even delete) the apps that are cooked in BUT... you've already paid in storage space for the files. When you upgrade the cooked files are marked as deleted so the files from the cab can overwrite them BUT... the files can't actually be deleted so if you have a 4MB program (like MS Voice Command) cooked in and you get an upgrade then you are actually paying 8MB of storage for the program now.
In short, even though the files are marked as deleted and you phone acts like they are deleted, you can't recover the memory they used if the files are cooked into the Rom. This is the primary reason I'm stripping XDA Live down as close to the undershorts as I can.
Well, the phone came this afternoon and I've been fooling around with it ever since. So far, so good!
I like the AT&T Tilt setup a lot. But, being a long-time geek I just couldn't resist and now I'm flashing Dutty's Tilt Rom. I'll play with that for a while, then maybe think about a long-term setup. It's kind of nice being able to flash the rom as I don't have to worry too much about screwing up the configuration since I can reflash at any time.
much fun! thanks everyone
I would like to try different ROMs as well, but I would like to be able to go back to ATT Tilt ROM if need be. How can I backup my original ATT ROM, so that I can flash back to it, if I needed to?
Hey, first post, been lurking here a while (been in the market for a new WM phone for some time, and finally settled on the wizard, affordable, and more than powerful enough for my needs).
Anyway, here are the questions that I just haven't gotten my head around (all the info is a bit overwhelming, so I am going to try and ask a few pointed questions):
- Are there any hard proven (or recorded) speed differences between WM5, WM6, and WM6.1. How about general stability (comparing a clean rom, with no addons, just comparing the base os itself).
- Are there features that I should consider in these roms that are cooked in, that I CANNOT get by installing them individually on my own after flashing?
- The device I bought was a used T-Mobile 5125. It is fully unlocked, and is flashed to 6.0 with Blackdiamond release (by previous owner). Will I have any trouble flashing this back down to 5.0 if I wish, or up to 6.1?
- If I reflash my device back to a factory tmobile rom, will I run the risk of re-locking the phone?
What I am looking for:
- Stability at least close to that of the factory ROM.
- As much speed (responsiveness) as possible without overclocking
- Simple clean rom, with only the basic features:
- (OS, Office, Touchflo, HTC Apps, Wifi, GPRS, Bluetooth, Camera, MP3 Playback, Java, Web Browser, Enterprise features, and perhaps one or two utility apps)
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly dialer/contacts app
- Definately want a touch (thumb) friendly mp3 player/media player (coming from an ipod, looking for similar simplicity)
WOW !!!
That gave me a big 'Headache'
Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
Can't answer all that !
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
Cheers!
Too much to read and answer. rofl
Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
I reccomend u to use wm6. The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
u can get all cracked software at ppcwarez.org
have a nice day
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That gave me a big 'Headache'
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Sorry, kinda braindumped there... I will edit original post to be short and clearer...
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Can't decide what you're looking for and what shud be advised !
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See original post (Edited) for clearer definition of what I am asking.
zabardast_1 said:
Simplest answer to that is what you answered yourself already 'I realize no cell is 100% reliable, but I mean "as reliable as any other cell on the market, or at least as reliable as a factory rom"
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lol, come on now... if I wanted "Factory rom" I would have ignored all this, and just reflashed to factory... But I don't think it is too much to ask for a non-factory rom, that is "as stable as" factory rom... Perhaps I am totally mistaken, and if so, then I am very surprised, but then so be it.
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Read all the sticky themes and comments about: NBD roms, KhanX, Xda, TNT, Octavioi and Wm6.1 slim rom.
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I will try and read through these again. I have allready read most of the TNT stuff and KhanX. (all like 60 pages of posts on each) and I am still having trouble really distinguishing between any of it (all seem to have the same mix of "this rom rocks" with "xxx feature is bugged" other than the specific bug posts, I couldn't glean many details from it.
badguy999 said:
The best think would be if u use for work a simple cell phone, not pda. Cause stability and calls, sms..
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I realize I sounded a bit totalitarian in my "requirements" when I posted originally, perhaps I came off a bit in the extreme. I do use the phone for work, every day. BUT I specifically chose to switch from a regular phone to a pda because I carry around a pda, cellphone, and ipod everywhere I go, I want a single device that does a good job of all 3 functions. and there is NO reason that a pda/phone cannot achieve this. (hell I will write the bloody software myself if I have to, it blows my mind that it is this difficult to find something that achieves this). lol all that said, I am willing to make some sacrifices in the name of featureset. I am looking for a balance. But when I say "I need stability" I mean that relative to the pocketpc phone scene.
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Best mp3 player for me is http://www.pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=reviews&id=385
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Yeah, I noticed simpletunes... I have done a pretty extensive search, and so far simpletunes, or HTC audio manager are the only 2 mp3 players I can find that seem to be "thumb friendly" from what I have read. Mind you I have used neither so far, so once I try them both out I guess I will know better.
Question: is HTC Audio manager built into cube? or is it a standalone app?
Also, how do you find Simpletunes for performance? does it suck alot of CPU? or is it pretty light to use?
Thanks! (and sorry I am so bloody longwinded) lol.
lol no offence, but what i'm reading between the lines is still "what rom is best for me"
Anyway I'd advise using a proven ROM, since stability is such an issue for you. That would make me not wanna pick one of the latest cooked roms, since bugs often only show after some time, and take another time to fix. Having said that, the cooked roms always come with some software, it's just a long road of trying the software and deciding if you like it or not, nobody can answer that for you.
I personally found roms that have more software shipped with em not annoying, since i hardly ever use the start menu to reach programs. I just pick the programs i use a lot and put them on the today screen.
ROM im currently using is from the TNT series, runs very stable and fast without overclocking.
PS: I wouldn't take a ROM that has cube in it, since i get the feeling u dont want much hassle with your phone. Most ROMs nowadays have different versions, just check if it has this.
-xxx-&greetz
[edit]To answer some of your questions, as far as i know flashing back to factory rom won't lock your phone again(at least it didn't for mine). Besides that, i believe Audio manager is freely available, its a great replacement for windows media player[/edit]
[edit2]"Definetly want a finger-friendly contact manager" look at PocketCM, its a good app with touch-capabilities! Flashing back to older rom should be no problemo![/edit2]
Awesome. thanks for the reply!
Yeah I realize that you see another newb asking "What's best for me" but that isn't so much what I'm asking, mostly looking for a starting point, and some clarifications on the questions I had. I will worry about making my own intelligent decision in the end, and I will try out at least a couple, just there are so many bloody roms out there now trying them out until I found one by blindly choosing would be hundreds of reflashes lol... Also as I said I will likely end up cooking my own in the end, but if I know a few good places to start, I can compare 2-3 good ones, and use that to learn enough to either cook my own, or at least then I will definately know exactly what I am looking for.
Also thanks for answering the questions about flashing back to factory... That gives me some relief, because I can flash to factory, and try that as a baseline... Then worry about extra stuff (so I know what is broken, or out of place).
The only reason I thought I wanted cube was because I was under the impression the htc dialer app, contacts app, and music manager were built into it... If they are standalone apps and cube is just "eye candy" then I definately agree, I have heard it can be a hog, and if it offers no useful functionality I will skip it for sure. Can you confirm, is it just eyecandy? (lots of people talk about it, and show it off, but in the end it is never clarified anywhere what the cube itself really is lol)
Hey, i got you're point not trying to ask a noob question, was just messing with you. I noticed with my private use that i don't flash a lot, i do it once in a few months, but once i find a ROM that i like, i just customize it to my own extent, and keep running it for a while. It's just too much hassle reconfiguring everything every 3 days. Well as far as i can tell audio manager can be installed seperate (not 110% sure, so check to be certain). I had cube on my phone for at most half an hour, the speed of it just annoyed me. Neither did i find it really usefull, i dont want to make 4 or 5 gestures before i've started the cube, and found the tab that im looking for. If u want something similar but much better, try Ultimate Launcher (google for it or look at handango.de).
Cube is nothing more then a fullscreen application, trying to replace todayscreen (but thats just my humble opinion).
-xxx-&greetz
Ooh, yeah touch commander, and ultimate launcher look nice. Yeah now that I see the individual functionality of those apps, the need for cube is highly reduced lol...
PocketCM also looks to be exactly what I am after as well... So now I will have to try those apps out, and if they do what I need then I only have to confirm the mp3 player part... Will have to try those out too to see what I like. I like the "new" look of the htc audio manager, and it is finger friendly, but I also like the oldschool ipod look/feel of simpletunes... so I will have to try both and see which I like...
Thanks again for the responses!
if you got a bluetooth stereo headset for listening to music, find out which media players support it (used one myself for a while, windows media player was more then sufficient, since i didnt have to use my phone to control the player)
And as i said, just configure your phone the way you think works nice for you, you figure out soon enough if the apps u use do what you want them to. If they don't, ask on xda-developers if people have some good alternatives for it. btw a lot of people like the HTC Home today plugin, perhaps you should take a peek at it.
I currently have an unlocked Fuze and really none of the apps work bc I dont have ATT, is there anything I can do to enable some of them. If not, is there a way I can atleast use AIM. I keep gettin an error everytime I try to load it, it says server temp unavailable code 500, its pretty gay because im always on aim and thats one of the reasons I bought it!
I'm also on T-Mo with a Fuze. I'm running the Elite ROM, however. If you don't want to flash a ROM you can try installing another IM client. I am using Palringo and like it.
Do you have a data plan?
palringo or beejive IM ar much better then the stock one
just flash a rom anyway the att one is awful
The majority of the AT&T apps you have to pay for anyways. The Instant Messenger doesn't work because it uses text messages. I tried it once and wasn't impressed anyway. If you close it without signing out it automatically restarted. If you have a data plan just download and install another Instant Messenger.
If you feel comfortable with it I would install HardSPL and flash a custom ROM. The majority of the ROMs don't have any AT&T apps and will work great. I liked ROMeOS before I cooked my own ROM. Both can be found in the ROM Development section.
Yes I do have the Data plan for T-Mo and sorry I have no idea what flashing a ROM is. Maybe I should browse the sit some more lol
One could browse the site continuously for years and still not grasp all of the information contained within, so don't worry about not reading all of it. Just get down what you can and most importantly, if you are having issues, use the search feature. 9 times out of 10, someone else had that exact problem.
{4 times out of 10, I personally have had that exact same problem XD}
The steps for flashing a rom to a GSM Raphael is rather easy and not too difficult for one to follow.
Not only that, the great people here have compiled this great resource that will help you step by step.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=448008
As for which Rom to choose?
To be perfectly honest, it doesn't matter as long as you are happy with it. Everyone will say one is better than the other, yet each person uses their phone for different apps and different things so there will probably not be one end all for all ROM that is perfect for everyone. Try a few out, just find one that YOU find stable and fast based on what you use it for.
I've tried out nearly all of the different English roms our wonderful Raphael chefs have to offer, some are buggier than others, some are faster and some have tons of great tools I love where as others I find are bloated because I would never use some of the tools they have. However, all are better than the stock ATT one, esp for when being used on a Non-ATT phone.
Thank you very much!!
I have an AT&T Tilt (had it almost 2yrs) running the WM 6.1. I called HTC the other day about an update to 6.5. The technician said there was not one and that the Tilt was near end of life and that there not going to be anymore updates. If that is the case, I'm thinking of flashing a new ROM. Can anyone give any advice on what one I should use. I'm not very computer literate and want something that will be easy to use and maximize my device. It almost literally has become my brain and I depend on very much.
Also, if this posting has been placed in the wrong area please forgive my ignorance and, if possible, may the administrators place it in the correct area.
Thanks for any/all advice in advance.
Well, sadly there is no ROM called as good ROM here. It all depends on what you use your phone for and where you live!
Try reading through ROM threads, and see what suits your needs. Best advise is "Keep reading and keep flashing!". Good luck.
try abusalza new ver. cook ROM either ultimate x2v8 wm6.5 or ultimate x2v9 wm6.5...
it look nice to my kaiser n run perfectly...
StoneyBK said:
I'm not very computer literate and want something that will be easy to use and maximize my device. It almost literally has become my brain and I depend on very much.
Also, if this posting has been placed in the wrong area please forgive my ignorance and, if possible, may the administrators place it in the correct area.
Thanks for any/all advice in advance.
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Then why do you want to upgrade ? The phone does everything you want, it is easy to use, dependable, it is " your brain " , what do you think WM 6.5 is going to do for you. ?
We all flash because we all define the phrase " give me more " . We flash because enough is never enough. New is waaay better than stable or dependable ( how are those mega packages working out for y'all )
Stick with 6.1 until it is time for a new phone with WM 7 loaded.
hahaha..can't wait for wm7..
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Then why do you want to upgrade ? The phone does everything you want, it is easy to use, dependable, it is " your brain " , what do you think WM 6.5 is going to do for you. ?
We all flash because we all define the phrase " give me more " . We flash because enough is never enough. New is waaay better than stable or dependable ( how are those mega packages working out for y'all )
Stick with 6.1 until it is time for a new phone with WM 7 loaded.
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I would stick with what this guy says. Any rom you use besides stock is going to give you fits of frustration the only reason I kept flashing was for my data and internet I was not happy with the offerings of stock att rom but grew very frustrated with most of the cooked roms If I had found opera mini before all those other roms I might not have had the need to keep flashing. I have since found Android and the only time I see windows is when I am doing an update to Android. If what you have now suits you then keep it.
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Then why do you want to upgrade ? The phone does everything you want, it is easy to use, dependable, it is " your brain " , what do you think WM 6.5 is going to do for you. ?
We all flash because we all define the phrase " give me more " . We flash because enough is never enough. New is waaay better than stable or dependable ( how are those mega packages working out for y'all )
Stick with 6.1 until it is time for a new phone with WM 7 loaded.
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I would stick with what this guy says. Any rom you use besides stock is going to give you fits of frustration the only reason I kept flashing was for my data and internet I was not happy with the offerings of stock att rom but grew very frustrated with most of the cooked roms If I had found opera mini before all those other roms I might not have had the need to keep flashing. I have since found Android and the only time I see windows is when I am doing an update to Android. If what you have now suits you then keep it.
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I'm gonna say exactly the same if you happy with stock stick with it, if you want something more special and are happy to flash untill you find a custom ROM you want then join the flashers anonymous
I'ld go to say the same, if you're happy with stock ROM, then don't change.
BUT...
If you're frustrated with what stock ROM gives you (that happened with my permanently-freezing-Herald-stck-ROM till I flashed a good ROM there), then take a surf on the ROM Kaiser pages here at xda-dev's and then try to do all the steps ( hard-SPL, radio mod's, unlock if locked, etc. ) and then, flash the ROM you think is better for you (what are you asking to a device ? I'm using it to write, calculate, draw, sketching, photo, wifi nav', gps in the forest, let my daughter play... - maybe I'ld chose a different ROM to play games or watch videos)
I think almost every ROM here is "better" than the stock ROM and you'll find a good WM6.5 if you're searching speed, reliability, good RAM... and this will give you a loooooong Kaiser life.
But, as Denco7 says, this means you are always asking "more" and more and more.
StoneyBK said:
I have an AT&T Tilt (had it almost 2yrs) running the WM 6.1. I called HTC the other day about an update to 6.5. The technician said there was not one and that the Tilt was near end of life and that there not going to be anymore updates. If that is the case, I'm thinking of flashing a new ROM. Can anyone give any advice on what one I should use. I'm not very computer literate and want something that will be easy to use and maximize my device. It almost literally has become my brain and I depend on very much.
Also, if this posting has been placed in the wrong area please forgive my ignorance and, if possible, may the administrators place it in the correct area.
Thanks for any/all advice in advance.
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I HIGHLY recommend that you go here and read.
Don't do it!
Ok, thanks...
...for the advice. I'll stay with what I have its worked for me and does what i want/need.
StoneyBK
Make backup and give yourself a try with new rom`s. if you dislike - you always can return to were your begin. I believe you underestimate this possibility of kaiser.
Go for it!
I was in the same place you are, wondering if I should flash, and why. But, If I'm going to spend this much time with a device, why not pretty it up and make it a LOT more functional. The new 6.5 roms are beautiful, more functional, and easier to use, especially compared to the butt ugly 6.1, and if you're not going to buy a new device with WM7 on it then I say flash away man, you can get so much more out of your Kaiser. Have a look at TPC Elite V9. Enjoy.
StoneyBK and Marckc2
Yes, having a stock ROM capable for your needs, is enough. But if you begin to flash, and to investigate, you'll maybe acquire more and more acknowledgement about the TyTNII and WM, so that you'll be here answering and maybe cooking (and posting) your own ROMs.
Amazing work being done
It depends on what you want. I picked up my Tilt on ebay, because I wanted a PDA/phone (w/wifi). I'm a little bit of a tweaker, and wanted to make the most of this phone. I ended up here, read throught the newbie stuff, worked up the steam to flash a hard SPL, then flashed Sakajati's Hyper IV Rhodium, and was amazed; fast, functional, stable, with some flash as well. The only problem is being content. . . the developments keep ramping up. I think my tilt is farther advanced than most smart phones currently offered on ATT's upgrades. (maybe ignorance is bliss. . but I don't think so) There appear to be a number of chefs doing amazing work. Look around, read the comments. If you take the next step and like it . . . buy the chef some coffee. . .
I don't have the knowledge of what I need to do to my phone before I start all this
I just got a Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2 and it has WM 6.1. Do I need to immediately upgrade to 6.5 or can it just be 6.1 till WM7 comes out.
What do I need to do with my ROM....is it necessary to FLASH my phone(whatever that means) I don't wanna mess up my phone and void my warranty.
I don't know what Manila it has because for some reason when I try to go to Software Info in Device Info...there is no Software tab(weird right?)
Do I need to go ahead and dwload the latest Manila? What is the latest?
I want to get the most out of this phone and do all the cool tweaking and stuff.
I also want to beable to do the upgrades on the ppcmods website
They weren't working for me for some reason(can't tell what version of Manila I have)
anything else I need to do to be on the same page as all of you let me know. I don't want to mess up my phone or break it so this is why I'm asking.
thanks in advance
Ben6485 said:
Do I need to immediately upgrade to 6.5 or can it just be 6.1 till WM7 comes out.
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Whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 is entirely up to you. Some ppl like myself have tried 6.5 and have gone back to 6.1 because of performance issues. Give it a try and see for yourself.
If you've been following the news related to Windows Phone 7 Series, you'll realize that the Touch Pro2 doesn't meet the minimum requirements. In fact, there are some leaks that say even the HD2 (with its superior specs) might not get upgrade. There's about zero change M$ or HTC will release an official WP7S ROM for our Touch Pro2s. We can only put our faith in XDA chefs.
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What do I need to do with my ROM....is it necessary to FLASH my phone(whatever that means) I don't wanna mess up my phone and void my warranty.
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Again, whether or not you flash to another ROM is up to you. If you flash to an official ROM, then you won't void your warranty. If you choose to flash to custom cooked ROMs, then you'll need HSPL which will void your warranty. But you can undo it. Please read the stickies in the ROM section for further info.
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I don't know what Manila it has because for some reason when I try to go to Software Info in Device Info...there is no Software tab(weird right?)
Do I need to go ahead and dwload the latest Manila? What is the latest?
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Go to the Settings tab in TouchFlo3D. Scroll down and you should be able to see your Manila version in the "About" section. Otherwise you'll have to look in your registry at this key: "HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Version"
The latest is 2.5 which runs considerably slower than 2.1 on our devices. And you can't just install different versions of Manila. They have to be cooked into the ROM.
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anything else I need to do to be on the same page as all of you let me know
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Don't know what else to tell you since it's impossible to know what you want out of your device. Just read all the stickies in each thread and read the wiki.
ohyeahar said:
Whether or not to upgrade to 6.5 is entirely up to you. Some ppl like myself have tried 6.5 and have gone back to 6.1 because of performance issues. Give it a try and see for yourself.
If you've been following the news related to Windows Phone 7 Series, you'll realize that the Touch Pro2 doesn't meet the minimum requirements. In fact, there are some leaks that say even the HD2 (with its superior specs) might not get upgrade. There's about zero change M$ or HTC will release an official WP7S ROM for our Touch Pro2s. We can only put our faith in XDA chefs.
Again, whether or not you flash to another ROM is up to you. If you flash to an official ROM, then you won't void your warranty. If you choose to flash to custom cooked ROMs, then you'll need HSPL which will void your warranty. But you can undo it. Please read the stickies in the ROM section for further info.
Go to the Settings tab in TouchFlo3D. Scroll down and you should be able to see your Manila version in the "About" section. Otherwise you'll have to look in your registry at this key: "HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Version"
The latest is 2.5 which runs considerably slower than 2.1 on our devices. And you can't just install different versions of Manila. They have to be cooked into the ROM.
Don't know what else to tell you since it's impossible to know what you want out of your device. Just read all the stickies in each thread and read the wiki.
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thanks!
is says in the about section
touchflo3d 2.1.38416.1
what are some of the Official Roms that are pretty cool? I think I want to go the official route...is Max Manila official?
Also..I did read a few stickies....but how long does "flashing" take. I get calls throughout the day so I can't just not have a phone for a few hours. If I mess up how can I backtrack to fix it?
I just wish there was someone I knew that knows how to do all this stuff and let him do it but I will try this myself...probably wait till this weekend that I way I have some stuff planned out
Also...I like 6.1 and I think I'm just gonna stick with that
so I guess I need to flash my rom to get the right version of manila
what are some of of the "official" roms out there?
Right now, the only official ROM from Sprint is the one that shipped on the phone. IMHO I would not recommend flashing a VZN ROM to a Sprint phone.
The only other option for other ROM's are the cooked ones. A WORD(s) OF ADVICE -- if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM -- READ, READ, READ, READ, READ and then READ, READ, READ some more. For example, if you read you will find out that flashing a GSM ROM on a CDMA phone can have very undesired affects (and if you read, you will know that you should never do this) -- DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST. I'm saying that it's not cool to flash to a custom ROM, I'm only saying that you need to understand a little before you do it.
Have fun if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM and DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS IN THIS FORUM IF YOU ARE UNSURE.
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Right now, the only official ROM from Sprint is the one that shipped on the phone. IMHO I would not recommend flashing a VZN ROM to a Sprint phone.
The only other option for other ROM's are the cooked ones. A WORD(s) OF ADVICE -- if you decide to flash to a cooked ROM -- READ, READ, READ, READ, READ and then READ, READ, READ some more. Flashing a GSM ROM on a CDMA phone can have very undesired affects -- DO YOUR HOMEWORK FIRST. I'm saying that it's not cool to flash to a custom ROM, I'm only saying that you need to understand a little before you do it.
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I def wont be flashing a verizon rom to sprint.
is there no custom cdma roms?
I guess I have alot of reading to do because I want to make sure I don't mess my phone up..lol
not afraid to ask questions....just don't know the right questions...haha
I seem to be clueless on the phone stuff even though I'm a whiz at the computer
to tell you the truth...i like the way it is right now...i just want to beable to change the slidebar, background, clock, take the curtains off the top and bottom of the today screen and add lots and lots of cool aps
but to do that I need manila 2.5 and right now i think i have 2.1
If there was a way to get this without having to flash that would be great but I don't think there is a way to.
It would be nice to beable to have some of my fav aps on the today page but it's not a big deal...i can just hit Start and it takes me to a good enough page
Here are some helpful links:
Hard SPL : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578660
Hard SPL allows you to unlock your phone for flashing custom ROMs. This does not unlock your radio (which is something you probably wont mess with yet, link below).
SIM Radio unlock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578642
Custom ROMs sorted by most popular: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98&daysprune=30&order=desc&sort=views
You can use any of these, be careful downloading the ones on XDA as they are mainly GSM roms and can brick your device. Read each ROM page carefully to find one that is right for you. I currently use MightyRom and it works great for my needs. Very stable and responsive.
Flashing the phone generally wont take long, my first time it was probably around 25-30 minutes at most. Also, i'm not sure how its done on sprint but I had to call vzw and get a unique activation code, until then I could not make calls (but I could receive them still). Take a look at this video for some tips for flashing your phone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te7CPM3yeUk
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Just saw your second post, check out these links:
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tf3d.htm
Also, there are two different versions. tf3d is one and the other is sense UI. More info here:
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tp2main.htm
Most of the cool apps can be installed on either version, just depends on exactly what you are talking about.
burtonsnow8 said:
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/tp2main.htm
Most of the cool apps can be installed on either version, just depends on exactly what you are talking about.
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I Dloaded and installed a slider from there....the icons are too small and so I uninstalled it
It's stays like that and I can't get back the stock sliders
Ben6485 said:
I Dloaded and installed a slider from there....the icons are too small and so I uninstalled it
It's stays like that and I can't get back the stock sliders
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what icon set did you use? make sure you only use tf3d as you do not have sense UI. Try using this file to reset back to stock.
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/files/Default_White.cab
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what icon set did you use? make sure you only use tf3d as you do not have sense UI. Try using this file to reset back to stock.
http://tp2.bfgreenberg.com/files/Default_White.cab
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cool thanks...i'll give it a try
I think this weekend though I am going to flash the Rom and really get everything I can out of this phone
If I have to take it in for work I can just flash it back to stock
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cool thanks...i'll give it a try
I think this weekend though I am going to flash the Rom and really get everything I can out of this phone
If I have to take it in for work I can just flash it back to stock
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np, let me know if you have any questions while flashing etc.
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np, let me know if you have any questions while flashing etc.
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oh..they're will be questions
right now all I need to know is the approximate time it takes to flash it....as in
how long will I not beable to get calls...that way I can pick the best time to do the flash
also...what all do I NEED to save on my phone....I have most stuff(apps, music, pictures) on my miniSD card
I have all my contacts and messages on my Microsoft My Phone app
What is the least buggy ROM?
I was looking at Max Manila(if that's a rom) and it was pretty cool
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4017/ultimate6.jpg
mightyrom is pretty cool too but I wish that some of the apps could be on the today screen
http://i33.tinypic.com/n48cco.png
It seems like you have most of the stuff you would NEED already backed up. Maybe text messages are the only other thing I can think of.
It usually takes me less than 20 minutes to completely flash my ROM and get it ready (provisioning, favorite apps, etc). My first try was around 30 minutes, with about 15 minutes of actual phone downtime. At MOST plan for about 30 minutes of phone downtime...and depending on how your carrier does it you may have to wait on hold for outgoing calls to work again (call from a landline/different phone and get custom activation code).
Max manila is going to be less stable and more buggy by nature. Our phones just don't have the best cpu for sense 2.5. Juicy r10 seems to be one of the favorite sense 2.5 roms, but has some issues with mms. Energy leo is another good 2.5 rom with max manila but also has some minor issues, read the respective threads to find out more info. MightyRom and Energy Pheonix are going to be your two most stable roms IMO, but they come w/ sense 2.1. Only sense 2.5 will have the today screen launch icons.
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It seems like you have most of the stuff you would NEED already backed up. Maybe text messages are the only other thing I can think of.
It usually takes me less than 20 minutes to completely flash my ROM and get it ready (provisioning, favorite apps, etc). My first try was around 30 minutes, with about 15 minutes of actual phone downtime. At MOST plan for about 30 minutes of phone downtime...and depending on how your carrier does it you may have to wait on hold for outgoing calls to work again (call from a landline/different phone and get custom activation code).
Max manila is going to be less stable and more buggy by nature. Our phones just don't have the best cpu for sense 2.5. Juicy r10 seems to be one of the favorite sense 2.5 roms, but has some issues with mms. Energy leo is another good 2.5 rom with max manila but also has some minor issues, read the respective threads to find out more info. MightyRom and Energy Pheonix are going to be your two most stable roms IMO, but they come w/ sense 2.1. Only sense 2.5 will have the today screen launch icons.
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cool...maybe I'll do it sometime on Friday or Saturday when I have nothing to do
if it doesn't take long maybe I'll try out one of the 2.5 ones...then if it's just too buggy I'll check out MightyRom
i'm excited to do this...I wish I could do it 2night
do you recommend to just to do it and follow instructions precisely(after reading it once) or should I read it and about it over and over again(when I have time that is) and then do it this weekend
Edit: NVM...this is alot to read so I'll just make sure I do it right on Saturday
I'll probably get Mightrom Impact..looks cool
but I like the background image of "love"
so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
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so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
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Just keep playing with your phone (while erring on the safe side) and continue learning. Keep searching the forums and reading when you have questions. There are a lot of great themes and apps out there, so don't think you are stuck using sense (although I still enjoy using it from time to time). At the very least you are on your way to really understanding how to make this phone YOUR phone.
Watch the youtube video I posted earlier in this thread, its a great visual way to learn how to flash your phone, and it is done in under 10 minutes.
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so far my today screen looks like this
I do plan on flashing it but for now just wanted SOMETHING...haha
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/458/screenshot9mh.jpg
I downloaded the whole theme
Theres a few problems with it(on my phone...don't know if others have same problems) but it will work until I flash my ROM and stuff
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Oooh, I'd like to help a little here. I'm also a Sprint user, so here's my cent:
This site is mainly comprised of users that have GSM devices (ATT&T, T-Mobile, and such.) So, I advise you to use this and PPCGeeks as well, since that's sort of a CDMA counter-part to this site. Some knowledge!
- You currently have TF3D 2.1 on the Stock ROM, but when most people compare and ask whether you have 2.5 or 2.1, they are referring to HTC SENSE 2.1 vs. SENSE 2.5. This is because all the other Touch Pro 2 variants have already had the 6.5 upgrade from their carrier, which comes with Sense 2.1. We are supposed to get ours by the end of first quarter of this year (Which leaves by the end of this month.), but Sprint still hasn't specified a date.
- Here's the thread you want to look at for most of your CDMA needs: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98
- Here's the thread for unlocking your phone to flash custom ROMs: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=93252
-Unlocking your phone is not too hard and the way the peeps have made it, it's pretty much safe. In the second post of the thread in the above link, there is the relocker, if you wish to lock it for warranty purposes. Remember, always flash back to Stock ROM (If you're on a custom one.) THEN re-lock.
- Here's the thread you'll find the original STOCK ROM download, in case you want to flash back to stock after a custom ROM: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=91940
Also, from your last screen-shot of your home screen, you are using tab icons meant for QVGA devices, since they're so small (Of course, the messed up flip-clock, top cutain, and icons, are also a little messed up, haha.). HOPE I helped, and if I mentioned stuff you already knew, maybe someone else can benefit from the info.
Stick- you posted a very nice piece there.
I would also add, try reading up flashing from the ROM card. What I do is place the Stock Sprint ROM there so that I can always go back to stock when needed.
Sometimes some cooks suggest flashing to stock first then a custom ROM especially when moving from one cook's ROM to another ROM.