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Hello all. Thanks for bearing with my 2 quick (potentially newbie) questions posted today. I have spent a while lurking and searching while planning out my project here for my Apache.
This thread is really in hopes that I go about the means to my end goal correctly.
I currently have an HTC Apache with Sprint (PPC 6700 - WM5) and am looking to do a few things with it.
First, I'd like to streamline the phone some - taking out some of the unnecessary fluff that I don't use and anything that isn't required for basic use under Sprint's network.
Second, I'd like to add additional flexibility and utility with such things as the streaming media player, HTC home plug in (or potentially a third party such as WisBar Advance, phoneAlarm, etc.), HTC dialer (skinned), comm manager, a new contacts manager program, VGA mod (with ability to turn this on/off), Opera Mobile, and a mem card with a few add on programs/games/emulators/etc. I'd like this all to run with some speed here, as my first attempts in expanding the capabilities of the phone slowed it to a crawl (working on spare Apache to learn.)
Neccesary (or unnecessary?) details? I use primarily Sprint's EvDO service for internet essentially exclusively. WM5 on sprint's latest ROM (though this may change here I suppose?) My skill level is probably 5-6/10 on a newbie rating here.
Should I go with a custom ROM here for the phone to meet these goals? Pick a preset up ROM package or attempt to home cook one up with the required array of files? Leave the Sprint ROM and just add on the items I am looking for?
Thanks so much for input on this. I would like to attempt things here in a logical fashion this time with my everyday phone instead of simply trial and error.
Adam
I'm starting this thread as tons of visitors to the main upgrading Kaiser thread check out the details of Dutty's ROMs and then read everyone's Kudos, mostly and a few rants here and there on the subsequent threads.. but none of them give the actual specifics on What feature or Specific in Dutty's ROM prompted them to shower all the praise on the replies.. as after a while, the responses like "Dutty.. you never stop dude".. "This Rom ROCKS..." "WOW.. what blazing speed"... are not defining enough to WHY His ROM(s) are greatness at its best.
So, with my lengthy explanation above.. I Hereby share my specifics of Likes and Dislikes.... hopefully more will share theirs and would then benefit others to feel more comfortable to flash the ROMs.. Say what?!! here we go:
-All MS programs/software are now VERY noticeably faster to load. for example: Live Search 2.5 load time takes 2 seconds or less from time I tap to usable search box. I've clocked it. AWESOME!!
-TouchFlo-(CUBE): is working flawlessly. It takes a few seconds to come up and go through its 3 sides ONLY the first time you use it after a soft-reset. Thereafter its INSTANT to 0.25 sec for it to pop up with thumb swipe. VERY VERY IMPRESSIVE and useful, atleast for me.
-QuickMenu: Those who haven't used this utility.. its near PERFECT on what it s supposed to do and it actually does even more than that. The feature of tabbed navigation of Programs and Settings folder is almost 3 times as fast as they load up when you go via the regular start menu. Its worth having in any PDA.
-As I said above that All MS programs are noticeably faster, I meant specifically that as there may be other programs that load faster as well but nothing that I could noticeably tell the difference. So, this may be due to .Net 3.5 having most speed gains on MS stuff.
-Dutty has put in LOT of thought in organizing the various 3rd party programs in various user-friendly and intuitive folders. For instance, I like that he has created a folder called System Tools under Programs and has very thoughtfully added System related stuff in it only. So, all "tweaking" stuff is in it and hence its easy to just go to that folder and find that program instead of looking in the main Programs and scrolling 20 pages down. There is also a "HTC Programs" specific folder. Self explanatory.
-COOL COOL WAY-COOL feature: This is something I didn't know about that touchFLO has or maybe its a custom feature that Dutty has cooked, if you need to minimize any open application/program, all you have to do is swipe from middle of screen and down, very natural, and the program minimizes. WHAT AN AWESOME WAY TO GO TO YOUR TODAY SCREEN to access/open something else that you need.
-My downloaded ROM is AT&T ROM w/ TouchFLO, Dutty's No.6 and its the one with all and everything stuffed in it. Here's the not too bad part about this, I was at first leaning towards loading the "Lite" rom and then just adding what I needed individually... but that would've not allowed me to even find out about some programs that exist and Dutty has included. Besides, after loading: TomTom6, MS Live Search 2.5, Opera 8.65, Mortgage Calc 3.5, PCM keyboard .12 and few more - all on the main memory, I've still left with 122 megs. It says 122 of 140megs available.
I want to give more of this but am tired of typing... so will take a break and share more experience so far.. tomorrow. Hopefully more will share theirs.
AJ-out!
ajfloridian said:
I'm starting this thread as tons of visitors to the main upgrading Kaiser thread check out the details of Dutty's ROMs and then read everyone's Kudos, mostly and a few rants here and there on the subsequent threads.. but none of them give the actual specifics on What feature or Specific in Dutty's ROM prompted them to shower all the praise on the replies.. as after a while, the responses like "Dutty.. you never stop dude".. "This Rom ROCKS..." "WOW.. what blazing speed"... are not defining enough to WHY His ROM(s) are greatness at its best.
So, with my lengthy explanation above.. I Hereby share my specifics of Likes and Dislikes.... hopefully more will share theirs and would then benefit others to feel more comfortable to flash the ROMs.. Say what?!! here we go:
-All MS programs/software are now VERY noticeably faster to load. for example: Live Search 2.5 load time takes 2 seconds or less from time I tap to usable search box. I've clocked it. AWESOME!!
-TouchFlo-(CUBE): is working flawlessly. It takes a few seconds to come up and go through its 3 sides ONLY the first time you use it after a soft-reset. Thereafter its INSTANT to 0.25 sec for it to pop up with thumb swipe. VERY VERY IMPRESSIVE and useful, atleast for me.
-QuickMenu: Those who haven't used this utility.. its near PERFECT on what it s supposed to do and it actually does even more than that. The feature of tabbed navigation of Programs and Settings folder is almost 3 times as fast as they load up when you go via the regular start menu. Its worth having in any PDA.
-As I said above that All MS programs are noticeably faster, I meant specifically that as there may be other programs that load faster as well but nothing that I could noticeably tell the difference. So, this may be due to .Net 3.5 having most speed gains on MS stuff.
-Dutty has put in LOT of thought in organizing the various 3rd party programs in various user-friendly and intuitive folders. For instance, I like that he has created a folder called System Tools under Programs and has very thoughtfully added System related stuff in it only. So, all "tweaking" stuff is in it and hence its easy to just go to that folder and find that program instead of looking in the main Programs and scrolling 20 pages down. There is also a "HTC Programs" specific folder. Self explanatory.
-COOL COOL WAY-COOL feature: This is something I didn't know about that touchFLO has or maybe its a custom feature that Dutty has cooked, if you need to minimize any open application/program, all you have to do is swipe from middle of screen and down, very natural, and the program minimizes. WHAT AN AWESOME WAY TO GO TO YOUR TODAY SCREEN to access/open something else that you need.
-My downloaded ROM is AT&T ROM w/ TouchFLO, Dutty's No.6 and its the one with all and everything stuffed in it. Here's the not too bad part about this, I was at first leaning towards loading the "Lite" rom and then just adding what I needed individually... but that would've not allowed me to even find out about some programs that exist and Dutty has included. Besides, after loading: TomTom6, MS Live Search 2.5, Opera 8.65, Mortgage Calc 3.5, PCM keyboard .12 and few more - all on the main memory, I've still left with 122 megs. It says 122 of 140megs available.
I want to give more of this but am tired of typing... so will take a break and share more experience so far.. tomorrow. Hopefully more will share theirs.
AJ-out!
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Follow this similar thread! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=351692
ajfloridian said:
I'm starting this thread as tons of visitors to the main upgrading Kaiser thread check out the details of Dutty's ROMs and then read everyone's Kudos, mostly and a few rants here and there on the subsequent threads.. but none of them give the actual specifics on What feature or Specific in Dutty's ROM prompted them to shower all the praise on the replies.. as after a while, the responses like "Dutty.. you never stop dude".. "This Rom ROCKS..." "WOW.. what blazing speed"... are not defining enough to WHY His ROM(s) are greatness at its best.
So, with my lengthy explanation above.. I Hereby share my specifics of Likes and Dislikes.... hopefully more will share theirs and would then benefit others to feel more comfortable to flash the ROMs.. Say what?!! here we go:
-All MS programs/software are now VERY noticeably faster to load. for example: Live Search 2.5 load time takes 2 seconds or less from time I tap to usable search box. I've clocked it. AWESOME!!
-TouchFlo-(CUBE): is working flawlessly. It takes a few seconds to come up and go through its 3 sides ONLY the first time you use it after a soft-reset. Thereafter its INSTANT to 0.25 sec for it to pop up with thumb swipe. VERY VERY IMPRESSIVE and useful, atleast for me.
-QuickMenu: Those who haven't used this utility.. its near PERFECT on what it s supposed to do and it actually does even more than that. The feature of tabbed navigation of Programs and Settings folder is almost 3 times as fast as they load up when you go via the regular start menu. Its worth having in any PDA.
-As I said above that All MS programs are noticeably faster, I meant specifically that as there may be other programs that load faster as well but nothing that I could noticeably tell the difference. So, this may be due to .Net 3.5 having most speed gains on MS stuff.
-Dutty has put in LOT of thought in organizing the various 3rd party programs in various user-friendly and intuitive folders. For instance, I like that he has created a folder called System Tools under Programs and has very thoughtfully added System related stuff in it only. So, all "tweaking" stuff is in it and hence its easy to just go to that folder and find that program instead of looking in the main Programs and scrolling 20 pages down. There is also a "HTC Programs" specific folder. Self explanatory.
-COOL COOL WAY-COOL feature: This is something I didn't know about that touchFLO has or maybe its a custom feature that Dutty has cooked, if you need to minimize any open application/program, all you have to do is swipe from middle of screen and down, very natural, and the program minimizes. WHAT AN AWESOME WAY TO GO TO YOUR TODAY SCREEN to access/open something else that you need.
-My downloaded ROM is AT&T ROM w/ TouchFLO, Dutty's No.6 and its the one with all and everything stuffed in it. Here's the not too bad part about this, I was at first leaning towards loading the "Lite" rom and then just adding what I needed individually... but that would've not allowed me to even find out about some programs that exist and Dutty has included. Besides, after loading: TomTom6, MS Live Search 2.5, Opera 8.65, Mortgage Calc 3.5, PCM keyboard .12 and few more - all on the main memory, I've still left with 122 megs. It says 122 of 140megs available.
I want to give more of this but am tired of typing... so will take a break and share more experience so far.. tomorrow. Hopefully more will share theirs.
AJ-out!
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THAT'S some great writing you put here mate, thanks for the heads up.
you want specifics
any memmber willing to share there cooking and continue to improve and share the improvements is always a joy to try out what else is new they have come up in there cooking kitchen!!!!!!!!!!!
This topic has been floating around the forums for a long time now. For as long as chefs been cooking, they’ve been trying to cook their “perfect rom.” Well…unfortunately they can’t do it by themselves. They need some help from us…so this thread is for any and all feedback we may all have as users, to offer to our chefs in order to achieve our goal.
Keep in mind guys, we’re all different people, we all require different things. Let’s keep our thoughts realistic and respectful. We’re use to 3 types of roms….Full, Medium and Light (lite.) Let’s see if we can offer up a somewhat standard model and set of applications for each type of rom.
But not just apps….lets break this down to CE builds..OS tweaks…radio performance…visual preferences…..EVERYTHING!!!!
also (i know this is gonna cause an outbreak!....) if there are any outstanding issues you've been having with all coked roms across the board...feel free to mention....The more we're all aware of something the better the chance it will be addressed!
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*well i can't edit the poll...so we'll have to do this the hard way. So we have the "to be cooked or not" apps figured out. Next is the model in which the roms are produced. Like i said before...theres usually 3. Lite, Medium and full. We need to define the roll and specs of each and what they contain. Sound Off
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At the request of mr.dutty i've added a poll. Im not sure if i can do this, but i'll try to switch it up everyday with a new subject everyday or so.
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almost was going to warn you to get some flame retardant clothing at first glance. However after reading a bit more it does not seem to be a bad idea, assuming it can be kept free from garbage. Ill put some thought and contribute what i can but not a bad idea.
A few things I look for in a cooked ROM -
Hardware keyboard performance: We're talking about a device that features a very nice full hardware keyboard, and roms should take this into account. I've encountered roms that have laggy keyboard entry, other weird keyboard entry problems, and some which work beautifully.
Careful which apps are cooked in: If an app is likely to get updated frequently, it's my opinion that it shouldn't get cooked into a rom (unless, of course, it's a PITA to install in the first place). There'd be no point cooking PointUI's Home into a ROM, as it gets updated a lot. Also, the legality of any cooked in App should be considered. For example, I'd love to see a rom that's got Opera Mini cooked in and ready to go as the default browser, which is a lot of fiddling around and hard work, rather than a rom that uses the NOT FREE Opera Mobile.
Screen Rotation Speed: Some ROMs have managed to achieve near instant screen rotation speeds, others have not. It'd be great to know what settings affect this, and cook them in.
Options: I hate Large Start Menu. I love the fact that you can easily turn it off without any side-effects. I love the fact that Quick Menu gets cooked in, but you have the option to not use it (I'm firmly in the "loving quick menu" camp though, at the moment).
Most important: Speed. I really don't feel like this device is performing quite as well as it could do. I think we could get there - I think there's still some exploring to do, and at some point there'll be a major breakthrough.
Maybe this thread is the start of all of that?
Thank you For starting this as this will alow us to find out from different individuals thier own opinions and also from different chefs as to how we can maximise the best performance out of this baby kaiser.
At the moment Im trying different stuffs
I don't know to much about this stuff, but in my last month of looking at these forums.. I think a lot of people use these
- Pocket Core Media Player
- SOme form of Registry Edit
- Task Manager (Detialed one, WTask i think it's called?)
- Pocket Screen
- Office (obviously)
- Note pad (love it)
- Touch Settings
- Query Analyzer (maybe not for everyone..)
- Slide 2 unlock (better to get that yourself probably now that I think about it)
- Schapps advanced config 1.1
- KaiserTweak
- Total Commander looks pretty usefull
- Some sort of FTP program
- I wish there was some app for linking HTC favorites in the cube to their contact record (give you option of calling,e mailing, etc, instead of a quick call)
Not very advanced stuff, but stuff I hav efound pretty usefull that i never knew about.
swtaltima said:
almost was going to warn you to get some flame retardant clothing at first glance. However after reading a bit more it does not seem to be a bad idea, assuming it can be kept free from garbage. Ill put some thought and contribute what i can but not a bad idea.
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lol no worries man. i got my suit bag unzipped and waiting!
i guess i'll give it a go....
me myself...I prefer a Full rom. but it seems very unrealistic as to what’s in a full rom or not. I’ve been talking to dutty a bit about this and he wanted me to get some ideas and get back to him….so I guess this is the place to get it all together. For those of us with a tilt…we all know how fat the shipped att rom was. But the funny thing is…it wasn’t slow at all! This is what sparked my thoughts. How about…a full rom = a bloated rom! But not bad bloated….good bloated. I’m talking about any and all those little apps we all know and love. Such as….group sms…call firewall…opermini (files provided to set as main browser…I think that should be left up to the user,) tom tom...quick menu….Live search and all other live apps, all HTC current apps and dialers….ect ect. I wanted to include slide to unlock, point ui and pocket cm…but these apps are updated too often to cook in….but non the less would be great for a full rom. I believe the cooks can find a way to make a rom like this work!
For a media rom….pretty much the rom…plus all the htc goodies we’re all used to. And the the rest of the inessentials….things like flash lite…youtube already cooked in....ect ect. It should be kept clean and nice.
A lite rom?....nothing! lol…lite roms are for those of us who like to tinker ourselves or just don’t use a damn thing on the phone…so I think it should be just the os! And call it a day.
I think we need to add a poll of some sort to vote on what apps should be included in each rom so we can observe, study and compare what individuals use in thier roms and what they dont like.
dan13l said:
A few things I look for in a cooked ROM -
Hardware keyboard performance: We're talking about a device that features a very nice full hardware keyboard, and roms should take this into account. I've encountered roms that have laggy keyboard entry, other weird keyboard entry problems, and some which work beautifully.
Careful which apps are cooked in: If an app is likely to get updated frequently, it's my opinion that it shouldn't get cooked into a rom (unless, of course, it's a PITA to install in the first place). There'd be no point cooking PointUI's Home into a ROM, as it gets updated a lot. Also, the legality of any cooked in App should be considered. For example, I'd love to see a rom that's got Opera Mini cooked in and ready to go as the default browser, which is a lot of fiddling around and hard work, rather than a rom that uses the NOT FREE Opera Mobile.
Screen Rotation Speed: Some ROMs have managed to achieve near instant screen rotation speeds, others have not. It'd be great to know what settings affect this, and cook them in.
Options: I hate Large Start Menu. I love the fact that you can easily turn it off without any side-effects. I love the fact that Quick Menu gets cooked in, but you have the option to not use it (I'm firmly in the "loving quick menu" camp though, at the moment).
Most important: Speed. I really don't feel like this device is performing quite as well as it could do. I think we could get there - I think there's still some exploring to do, and at some point there'll be a major breakthrough.
Maybe this thread is the start of all of that?
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point ui makes for a good debate....the reason i would cook it in is because it comes with its own update client. so even if an older version is cooked in....or an update is available a day after the rom is cooked....you just need to go into update and that will take care of that. but i do agree with the idea of frequently updated apps should be avoided.
the screen roatation is another one....i agree. i've seen it vary from rom to rom even within dutty's camp. maybe the cooks can unite and nail that one down.
I've been using different ROMs over the last month or so and what I normally go for is the lite ROM with all the performance updates. Then I add my own apps to it. From the ROMs that have applications cooked into it I may use 80-90% of it which I find is not good for me and I think this holds true for most, if not all users. Everyone has different taste/needs.
Maybe a ROM with just the OS and performance/optimization tweaks and leave the rest up to the users. They can find the cabs for everything so why bother to cook it in. The other thing with cooking in the apps if is if the app gets an update a new ROM is needed.
Or just cook your own ROM. There's enough info within the forums to make your own ROM and include whatever apps you want.
Maybe the focus should be on optimizing the OS and leave the apps to the choice of the user.
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I've been using different ROMs over the last month or so and what I normally go for is the lite ROM with all the performance updates. Then I add my own apps to it. From the ROMs that have applications cooked into it I may use 80-90% of it which I find is not good for me and I think this holds true for most, if not all users. Everyone has different taste/needs.
I think make a ROM with just the OS and performance tweaks and leave the rest up to the users. They can find the cabs for everything so why bother to cook it in. The other thing with cooking in the apps if is if the app gets an update a new ROM is needed.
Or just cook your own ROM. There's enough info within the forums to make your own ROM and include whatever apps you want.
Maybe the focus should be on optimizing the OS and leave the apps to the choice of the user.
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I cooked a lot of roms but always stick with the full rom, Reason is i could take out 50mb of programs out of a rom and This doesnt give me that equvalent space and also performance sometimes are un-stable, thats my own opinion.
I think there is a halfway line with how much goodies you can install in a rom to please most people
ecltech said:
I've been using different ROMs over the last month or so and what I normally go for is the lite ROM with all the performance updates. Then I add my own apps to it. From the ROMs that have applications cooked into it I may use 80-90% of it which I find is not good for me and I think this holds true for most, if not all users. Everyone has different taste/needs.
Maybe a ROM with just the OS and performance/optimization tweaks and leave the rest up to the users. They can find the cabs for everything so why bother to cook it in. The other thing with cooking in the apps if is if the app gets an update a new ROM is needed.
Or just cook your own ROM. There's enough info within the forums to make your own ROM and include whatever apps you want.
Maybe the focus should be on optimizing the OS and leave the apps to the choice of the user.
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all good points...i tend to agree with you. but lets not forget we're dealing with people who dont know how to hard slp...refuse to read through 30 pages of posts or even use teh search feature. so a full features rom will always be needed.
rzanology said:
all good points...i tend to agree with you. but lets not forget we're dealing with people who dont know how to hard slp...refuse to read through 30 pages of posts or even use teh search feature. so a full features rom will always be needed.
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This is true. For a full featured ROM I think a based ROM might be better versus cooking in many apps. Here's a list that I think can be a good starting point for a base ROM. Some utilities, tweaks, visuals, etc. The rest can be managed by the user.
- Advanced Config
- GPS Test
- HTC Album
- HTC Camera (new version)
- NotePad
- Registry Editor
- Pocket RAR
- Office w/OneNote
- PDF Viewer
- psShutXP
- QuickGPS
- Total Commander
- NetCF 3.5
- ClearTemp
- KaiserTweak
ecltech said:
This is true. For a full featured ROM I think a based ROM might be better versus cooking in many apps. Here's a list that I think can be a good starting point for a base ROM. Some utilities, tweaks, visuals, etc. The rest can be managed by the user.
- Advanced Config
- GPS Test
- HTC Album
- HTC Camera (new version)
- NotePad
- Registry Editor
- Pocket RAR
- Office w/OneNote
- PDF Viewer
- psShutXP
- QuickGPS
- Total Commander
- NetCF 3.5
- ClearTemp
- KaiserTweak
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agreed. can we all agree this should be a common app set?
rzanology said:
agreed. can we all agree this should be a common app set?
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Thats almost what I got apart from pdf viewer which i left out for user preference with adobe reader
the most popular apps don't have to be cooked into a ROM. every ROM can be a light or medium with everything else added as shared backup files using Sprite or SPB Backup. in another thread, some folks expressed reservations about my idea of Backup Install Packs, but i still think it could work. and no one would be forced to use them. it's something at least worth trying.
after flashing a new ROM, the ROM cooker or someone else could install demo versions of the most popular apps (HTC apps, Resco, SPB, SBSH, Opera, Palm Messaging, Kaiser Tweak, TCPMP and the plugins, etc.) onto their devices. They can then make a backup of their devices and make that backup available to other users. Then if someone installs the identical ROM, they could simply install the entire backup of those applications to their own devices. Users can keep the apps they want and register them with their own serials. They could then uninstall the rest.
that would be my idea. keep all ROMs medium and lite and let users customize them to full status with backup install packs.
PointUI drove me nuts, was nice and pretty, but in the way. Then again, I don't like the Cube either. Perhaps if I set up the cube I'd use it more, mainly for the contacts though - I don't use WMP or HTC's, I use TCPMP.'
I love the apps Dutty has, especially WKTask with its launcher and battery bar, quickmenu is awesome (without the large setting).
PocketCM has asked that it NOT be cooked in so...
IMHO a ROM should be usable for as much user as possible.
For one person S2U2 is a must-have application, but others just don't like it.
So a stable, fast and clean ROM should be the best for everyone.
Everyone can add his favorite apps, or don't add apps if you don't like them!
Just my opinion. (Of course I always go for the LITE variant, cause I just don't use a lot of apps)
What I would like to see:
Pretty much the default set of apps and tools in the stock ROM. Some of general use like pocketrar could be integrated but not much more.
Larger page pool.
What I absoltely don't want to see:
Too many UI changes, trial versions, bloated battery status apps and such.
Basically I just want the latest radio, OS and default apps all in one.
Stuff that's not likely to get upgrades for quite some time like the flash player and flash lite could preferebly be integrated but other than that I don't like too much tweaking, I just want the latest versions of the default stuff and then I do my own modifications and tweaks from there.
thanks for setting this up!! But i agree should install from CABs
No, They're updated too often to even think about cooking into the rom!
We need 1 stable EMPTY ROM. And cabs what have been edited for working on the 1 stable empty rom.
THIS THREAD IS SPECIFICALLY FOR RESEARCH
So im already thinking of ideas for my next rom when the obvious occured to me, everyone has different needs. So why not try to appeal to everyone instead of just a select few.
And to the other chefs out there. This poll may help you do the same, by finding out what people want.
So here are the questions i am posing to everyone.
1. Fully loaded. This would be a rom that has alot of popular apps cooked in as well as some lesser known apps. This is something that doesnt fit everyones needs, but it also gives some unknown apps a chance to shine.
2. Medium build. This would be a rom that has just the basic's (but still built along popular apps). This would be something that includes media players and the plugins to support it (ie things like the flash bundle).
3. Business edition. This would be a rom that is built for business users in mind. it would be almost completely stripped except would still have office built in. Would also include opera. But the rest would be clean.
4. stripped build. This would be no 3rd party apps and most oem apps ripped from the build. would include ripping out office and java and would give the user the most choices of what they want to install.
I am also going to be working on a way to try to support other languages so that no one is left out. i havent officially started this yet, but will probably start ripping into some of these options this weekend. So i would appreciate input from other chefs out there on their experiences of making a WWE rom compatible with out languages.
Since this is a question that will help everyone and including the chefs, i am going to temporarily stick this.
Personally since I have at&t, my preferences would be:
1. Based on an at&t build.
2. Fully loaded.
3. Bluetooth and MSVC compatible.
But all of that is worthless without stability. The biggest mistake I see most cooks do is to be too quick to come out with the next version of their ROM too quickly. Make sure you listen to your users and tried to get all of the bugs fixed before you start trying to upgrade software and creating more bugs for yourself.
cragordon said:
Personally since I have at&t, my preferences would be:
1. Based on an at&t build.
2. Fully loaded.
3. Bluetooth and MSVC compatible.
But all of that is worthless without stability. ...
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there we go, that's y I voted for Stripped.
Maybe i should have added another poll option that said:
"Who cares as long as its stable" lol
the_passenger said:
there we go, that's y I voted for Stripped.
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I guess you have a point I should have thought of that before I voted. Most of the time the fully loaded ROMs don't have much stability. I don't think stripped is the answer either thought simply for the fact that the media player and stuff should be default according to his description stripped doesn't have ANYTHING @all
shogunmark said:
Maybe i should have added another poll option that said:
"Who cares as long as its stable" lol
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Lol I second that motion.
cragordon said:
I guess you have a point I should have thought of that before I voted. Most of the time the fully loaded ROMs don't have much stability.
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I tend to disagree with that statement. And i can only speak for myself, however when i do my fully loaded builds this ensures me that most of the popular apps are already working. And honestly i think that a stripped version would be open to more bugs because now your manually ripping everything out and leaves more room for errors. But thats just my personal opinion, this is why i made this poll.
Fully Loaded 2.0
Been reading these threads for the past three/four months. There is so much to offer with each variation of ROM, that I find it hard to keep up. Hasitant at first, but now I find myself flashing on a weekly basis. I agree about stability but having all the hot toys with some space left over and nice speed make all the more joy. Themes and all that can be added later and I haven't found them to lead to bug issues.
Keep doing what yall do... and we'll keep eating. Much respect to the Chefs!!
shogunmark said:
I tend to disagree with that statement. And i can only speak for myself, however when i do my fully loaded builds this ensures me that most of the popular apps are already working. And honestly i think that a stripped version would be open to more bugs because now your manually ripping everything out and leaves more room for errors. But thats just my personal opinion, this is why i made this poll.
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I can see that point of view also. I have never tried one of your ROMS so I cant say. Well at least not on my kaiser i havent.
I would have to say medium because its a combination have having all the common stuff built in without any hassle to the users while still giving enough room left too customize.
I'd like to say a mixed between
Fully Loaded + Stripped
may sound stupid but hear me out
stripped build. "This would be no 3rd party apps and most oem apps ripped from the build. would include ripping out office and java and would give the user the most choices of what they want to install."
but with recommendations of new apps so it "gives some unknown apps a chance to shine."
o and with office left in
but thats just me
while on the subject wats the difference (in terms of speed and stuff) if you for e.g. have
1. 6.1 rom with office cooked in
2. 6.1 rom with office installed after
i voted business because i like a nice little rom but everything already working out of the box i.e camera, office, and the other basics. In a business rom i don't like the idea of having htc home/hcc (just my opinion) as there are programs better than that and each user should have the option to install/uninstall htc home.
Didn't vote stripped because than the camera is removed and for me all the hardware needs to be functioning on a rom. I love multimedia roms (fully loaded) but i like installing everything to my storage card so thats why i didn't vote for that particular category.
I personally like fully loaded roms best, as long as they retain speed and stability!!!! Business builds are also nice, b/c of customization, but I agree with thesire in that stripped builds are just TOO naked, I need the camera! So if I have to pick just one, I pick fully loaded!
plz cook the WWE as well... dont be bias to att.... ^_^
Business + Flash Bundle - Opera
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2. Medium build. This would be a rom that has just the basic's (but still built along popular apps). This would be something that includes media players and the plugins to support it (ie things like the flash bundle).
3. Business edition. This would be a rom that is built for business users in mind. it would be almost completely stripped except would still have office built in. Would also include opera. But the rest would be clean.
4. stripped build. This would be no 3rd party apps and most oem apps ripped from the build. would include ripping out office and java and would give the user the most choices of what they want to install. . .
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I voted stripped because I like to have as much room as possible to add in what I want and not have to worry about Memory vs. Storage Card, but from your descriptions what I would really like, is Business edition with Flash Bundle, but without Opera. I use Office like crazy, esp. Excel, and I want to be able to use TCPMP, and Java apps.
Thanks for doing this survey!
I posted "Who cares, as long as it's stable" meaning speedy, too I like everything up and running w/ room to spare, but that's a bit of an oxymoron. I installed everything I could to my storage card, figured out what continued to work from there after flashing, and most everything does (but not all...).
Lean, stable, fast works best for me. I load a bunch of Spb stuff on, and run the rest from my card. But I do like playing w/ new toys, so the fully loaded is good too. Medium fits my routine quite well. Even small works. So, who cares? As long as it's stable and fast, I can tweak and trick out the rest.
BTW, I LOVE Death, thanks so much for that!!!
I have been around for awhile, and I have learned so much from this rom flashing fixation that we all have.... Personally I try all of the roms out, then I dump ,em and take the packages I want and keep them in my kitchen , and add what I liked from each rom to my own "reheated" (I am no cook) rom. Sashimi has sure made my life easier!! So it is really hard for me to pick... I like the loaded ones, because I can snag new packages, but I like the stripped ones, so I can add my own packages. Some (most) programs use less memory when cooked than when installed from a cab file. Some programs just seem to run better when cooked, some run better with cab files... You cooks just keep doing what you are doing, because I like them all, any way you cook it!!
And by the way since I might possibly have the great Shogun's attention for a minute... how do you make that tsk file so frickin' black? I think I might have actually been the originator of the glossy black bars.cab (check my BootScreen thread) but the reason I made it was because the .tsk file could not keep the 160 saved in the registry. But your bars are black and have no highlight color... how do you do that?!
Research Poll
I would go for maximum flexibility - which in my mind means we should develop and cook a stripped, stable ROM with all of the bells and whistles as CABs that have been fully vetted and tested for stability, capability AND Viri/malware). The problem is (as is always the case), what is one man's garbage is another's man's treasure. I need a basic phone, bluetooth (hands free automobile work), contacts and calendar. WiFi is extra to me, but not to the next guy and gal. What I worry about is building "fully loaded" ROMs that end up being no different than Tilt's maddeningly bloated original AT&T ROM. Just give me the basics and I will download, cook or buy the add ons I need.
This probably means we need to restructure the poll to individually list the myriad possible and current functions of a Phone/PDA and then let individuals have, say, 10 votes and after a few weeks add up the votes and choose to incorporate into a ROM the top 10 items and all else would be developed as add-on CABs.
Just my $00.02
In real estate it is location, location, location.
In ROMs it is stability, stability, and features.
At least this is true for me, YMMV.
In detail - While I do like playing around with new ROMs, especially when I find new programs that I really like, I use my phone primarily as a business tool (e-mail, calender, etc), and secondarily as an entertainment device. My web surfing from my phone is moderate, and mostly limited to RSS feeds and then the articles behind them. I do use it as a mp3/video player on flights, but not in the car since I have XM, and I have a Tom Tom, so I only use the GPS when I forget that! My other consideration is that I have not found myself even close to worrying about memory space on the Kaiser and I usually install programs to the device for stability purposes.
So... what does all this mean for what I prefer in a ROM? Well, it means that since I can use Kaiser Kitchen, my top preference is a clean ROM that I can easily add packages to. That being said, the packages need to fully functional and stripping them from the ROM shouldn't cause other issues. My previous fave was _Alex_'s 6.0, but i have not been able to find a similar 6.1. So, if you loaded rom folders and OEM and add on package folders, that would be most awesome. Then I can choose what I want to add in (things like office that are not likely to change now, and other programs that I know are version stable) and add the other programs that I have to have but that version change all the time (phoneAlarm)
But - since that is quite possibly harder than just cooking a ROM (and not nearly as rewarding) my preference is either a business or a medium depending on what was in the medium. These are also given bonus points, since as someone pointed out, stripping out certain key applications like the camera, usually leads to stability degradation.
My $0.03 (more than 2 cents worth of typing here)
First post although I've been lurking for a while trying to decide what I'm going to do. I'm currently with AT&T off contract so I'm free to move. I've looked at the Fuze in several AT&T stores and the overall impression is that it's very sluggish. I know that loading one of the cooked roms helps by removing the useless stuff they add but when I went to a Sprint store this morning, my impression was very good. The Sprint version was very snappy and quick to the point where I could launch a you tube video in a couple of minutes where at the AT&T store, I wasn't able to do it even after an hour. I learned last night I have to find the youtube viewer for the Fuze to work.
Here are my questions:
1. How big of an impact is the network speed for this perceived difference in speed? I live in SF Bay area which AT&T says is 3G enabled.
2. Would loading a trimmed down rom resolve these issues?
3. Does the cooked roms allow me to view flash video and youtube videos with reasonable speed and ease of use?
Please advise.. I'm trying to make a decision today.
Now, I've read a bit about tethering and people's concerns about the provider detecting it. I work in network security field and can say for a certainty that they can detect it. Whether they act on it or not is another matter. Google "OS fingerprinting" or "TCP fingerprinting". The short description of the technique is to look at the TCP handshake packets (mainly the SYN and SYN-ACK) to look for certain default values and features. Every OS has a slightly different set of default values when a new TCP connection is step up. This can be used to detect what os is doing the connection setup. A common tool that does this is nmap. There are ways to make your OS undetectable or harder to detect but what we need for the tethering case is for the tethered OS to look like WM6.1 stack. That can be much harder to do than simply hiding. I'll try to figure out what a WM6.1 stack looks like compared to vista or linux for instance.