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Multiple Today screens for non-touch screen devices?

How can I set up multiple today screens on my blackjack II (WM6)? Looks like wisbar advance desktop would accomplish this, but will it work on a non-touch screen device? I'll try it when I get home later and see. What I want to do is have multiple pages of completely different plugin sets, ie Home, something like HTC Action, Settings, and then be able to switch them by using the volume rocker (up/down). If you could imagine something similar to the HTC cube, only scrolling vertically (with the rocker) that's what I'm going after. I think this would work nicely for us non-touch screen users, i'm beginning to get envious of all the great options out there for touch. Any ideas are greatly appreciated, maybe I'll post a photoshop visual later of what I'm going after.

seems wisbar is pocket pc only at the moment, although it doesn't state this specifically on the downloads page. But i couldn't get through the install on my phone. The forums suggest smartphone apps are in developement but I couldn't find anything. SK Today Commander looks like another option and it installed...however I was unable to select any of the profile options it has, must be just incompatible with my phone or something...
any ideas? Any programmers could make a program that could render the today screen for a few different xml's and allow you to switch between them?

mortscript....looks like it will confuse the hell out of me, but I'm looking into it.

bvone21 said:
seems wisbar is pocket pc only at the moment, although it doesn't state this specifically on the downloads page. But i couldn't get through the install on my phone. The forums suggest smartphone apps are in developement but I couldn't find anything. SK Today Commander looks like another option and it installed...however I was unable to select any of the profile options it has, must be just incompatible with my phone or something...
any ideas? Any programmers could make a program that could render the today screen for a few different xml's and allow you to switch between them?
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sbsh wisbar is for wm6 pro devices with touch screens. sbsh facade is for wm6 standard devices with no touch screen. facade allows the use of multiple screens. check out the sbsh facade forums for some pretty cool multi screen skins.

bvone21 said:
How can I set up multiple today screens on my blackjack II (WM6)? Looks like wisbar advance desktop would accomplish this, but will it work on a non-touch screen device? I'll try it when I get home later and see. What I want to do is have multiple pages of completely different plugin sets, ie Home, something like HTC Action, Settings, and then be able to switch them by using the volume rocker (up/down). If you could imagine something similar to the HTC cube, only scrolling vertically (with the rocker) that's what I'm going after. I think this would work nicely for us non-touch screen users, i'm beginning to get envious of all the great options out there for touch. Any ideas are greatly appreciated, maybe I'll post a photoshop visual later of what I'm going after.
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It is not difficult to create multi-page homescreens, though some "rules" do apply. You can check out what we are doing over at the Facade forum for examples.
http://forums.sbsh.net/index.php?showforum=57
The "rules":
http://forums.sbsh.net/index.php?showtopic=14911&st=0&p=141894&#entry141894

Thanks for your replies guys, yeah it does look like facade is the way to go. Seems ekoflip on the SBSH forums has a few facade homescreens that "fake" the multiple page effect, I'll have to learn from that. I guess what I was really going for was a slick way to navigate them as well. In the facade multiple page themes, you don't really have more than one plugin on each "page", is that because you need the up/down keys to switch "pages" so you can't use them to go from plugin to plugin within the same "page" ? not as functional, or as "slick" as may be possible...
But I will definitely be looking into it, hopefully this weekend, thanks again.

WM 6.1 Homescreen weather plugin

Hey everyone!
First off I want to thank Dr. Gonzo again for the 6.1 rom. It's great and love it!
Second, I was using the HTC home screens that user tho made (found here) and I really got used to having the weather plugin on the homescreen. I really like how the homescreen is setup on this new rom, but I still want a weather plugin for it. Is there any way to add that plugin to this homescreen?
thanks.

if i was you i would try the following:
install the home plugin on your device. copy the .xml file from the plugin to your harddrive. open it and find the coresponding <plugin...> entry for the plugin. Then copy this entry to the xml-file of your skin of choice and there it should appear again... if it does not work or you have no clue what i was talking about, give me report.. i will try to do it for you,

Yea that's what I was thinking about doing. I just did not know if it would work or if it would look alright. I'm at work now so I don't really want to mess with it, but I'm going to try that when I get home.

ok. let us know if it worked when you're done

Wow this is a lot more difficult than I had thought. I can't find the weather plugin in the HTC Home screen and as the other thread may have tipped you off, the Sliding Panel home screen is very confusing to work with.
Basically what I would like to accomplish is to have Weather on my homescreen, while still using the Sliding Panel motif. So like if I could click over to the right next to where it displays the time it would show the weather. I'm going to keep working on this, but if anyone would like to jump in and help me I'd appreciate it.
Thanks.

according to the slide panel. I think all you can do is to manipulate the panels with basic configurations read out from the registry. It is not that easy to create something new, but i think a good point to start is always the manipulation of the welcome center, because this one is what most people need when they like to make "their own panels". The only way something will create a new slide is to code a plugin which is dedicated to appear in the slides. and still someone has to figure out what basic options are needed to create a new panel or to figure out what these guids are respectively.
Can you provide the htc home xml at least? it would be nice to have all extracted files in a zip file, so i do not have to install it again and pic all files out by myself.

Well that's sortof bad news that I can't create something new, however it might still be possible to edit the home panel to add that in?
I attached the xml for one of the home screens. I looked through it all and couldn't find the plugin for the weather but maybe you will have better luck than I will.

well, that is exactly what i meant. First choice, change one of the existing panels. If it works then and someone can explain those damn GUIDs I think we would manage to get it work on an own panel.
As far as it is "documented" in the XML (which is quite interesting i think for non wm6.1) this is the plugin-option for the htc home:
<plugin clsid="{B0C8AC4B-CDDC-4010-AAEB-076A2A6EB171}" name="HTCHome" height="88"></plugin>
This means to me, that cannot extract the weather-plugin for the homescreen unless you know how the home-plugin was made and the weather-plugin is a standalone, built-into htc home.
if you install the htc home, and edit your slidingpanel.xml with this tag somewhere, the home plugin should appear. I added the .xml for Frau Hottelmanns panther scheme with the htc home plugintag so you can see what i mean (not sure if the comment-tag is allowed, so just remove it before uploading to your device).
This is all I can do for you right at the moment.

Alright, Thanks a lot. I will try it when I get home.

I am really sorry that i wrote some damn ******* before It surely is possible to create new slides!!! It is just not possible to create a slide with ANY functionality
i just had the idea, that we may figure out what the minimal options for a slide are and then go on to figure out what the others are. But if we know the minimal options we could for example copy the testuiplugin-panel and try to get it work with the entire htc home plugin in it.
just wanted to write that, so you would not be that hopeless

Ok, what i found so far is:
- The htc home plugin works on wm6.1 as usual
- It seems not to work with the bronze-plugin in the same theme
* when loading the theme, the htc home plugin is displayed but vanishes as fast as the bronze-plugin is loaded.
* i played around with the height-attribute from the bronze-plugin but it seems to have absolutely no effect
- what i discovered in one of the previous skins is, that there are at least two major plugins for the htc home plugin which can be loaded in a theme. there is the notificationbar where the calls and sms etc. are shown and there is the htchome where the weather is displayed and so on.
- I also found that the exe-file for the weather-plugin is located at /windows/weather.exe so maybe its possible to configure the "output" on a call of this file and the weatherplugin is displayed (which means that we could put it into a slide)
- I also found an old thread here on xda for the "customization" of the htc home plugin, but it seems that the way the plugin works has changed since this thread and the version gregory released
- what is missing is something like a documentation on the htc home plugin, so which parts are implemented, how are they called from the homescreen etc. maybe gregory, if he's still around here has any idea(s) ???
- i just got that the weather.exe sets the city, downloads and refreshes the local weatherdata. So the output has to be somewhere else.

sounds like you are onto something here. Since the HTC home weather plugin is causing some problems, I think I am going to take a look at some other weather plugins. They might make it a little easier. I'm specifically looking at SPB Weather and Fizz Weather.
The only problem is, once I install them I'm not really sure how to put them into the slide panel. I'm going to play around with it and I'll let you know.

A tip from my side... always start from the delivered .xml files for the theme. mostly you can see there how they are implemented in the home-screen... then you just have to copy it.
i am wondering why the htc home plug does not work with the bronze. rinkus iconbar does, and its also just another plugin implemented... It also would not make sense that microsoft put something in the code of bronze which disables other home plugins

kimamil said:
A tip from my side... always start from the delivered .xml files for the theme. mostly you can see there how they are implemented in the home-screen... then you just have to copy it.
i am wondering why the htc home plug does not work with the bronze. rinkus iconbar does, and its also just another plugin implemented... It also would not make sense that microsoft put something in the code of bronze which disables other home plugins
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You mit be better waitin until HTC release a WM6.1 Standard ROM to see if HTC customize bronze to have parts of there Home plugins integrated and extract everything from a ROM then making a cab file to install it .
Roland

this was my first thought, but as you may know, there are people out there (yes, i am one of those ) that do not like to wait and have things first and before all the others do

kimamil said:
this was my first thought, but as you may know, there are people out there (yes, i am one of those ) that do not like to wait and have things first and before all the others do
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Have you tried using Facade to use the HTC plugin with Bronze?
Roland

nope. i thought one has to BUY facade???

How much of the 6.5 start menu can be customized?

I know the background of the start menu can be changed by:
1) changing the phones wallpaper like normal
OR
2) replacing the startmenu_background_screen_"resolution".png from within the windows folder.
The second is only if you want a different wallpaper in your start menu to the rest of your phone. (the default file is just a transparent .png which shows your normal wallpaper underneath)
I know you can also change the folder icons, by changing around other png files in the window folder.
My question is how can you change the font style or more importantly the colour?
Also, is it possible to change it so it resembles the wm6.1 start menu instead of the honeycomb?
(please dont say "just use a 6.1 ROM" because i dont want to. lol. I like wm6.5 as its quicker and more finger friendly, i just want the old start menu back)

no one know how to do these things?
anyone?
PLEASE?
im desperate here
lolz

As much or as little as you wish.
Have a look at some of the stuff I posted in here :-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=504320
Should answer a few of the basics.

Thanks for your reply, but those replies are about the today screen. I dont even use titanium any more. I find M2D more useful.
What i want to know is how to edit the Start menu.
the list of programs shown as hexagon icons
I want to change it to like how it was on wm6.1.
Just a grid of icons with words on a white background

OK, I have got what you are after... sounds like a registry hack somewhere....
Unfortunately the holiday(UK)/vacation(US), season is upon us, and I may not have found the solution for a week or two. If and when I do, I'll post it here and send you a PM.

Thank you.
Its appreciated

cris_rowlands said:
Also, is it possible to change it so it resembles the wm6.1 start menu instead of the honeycomb?
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I second this question. And what I want is better not the 'grid view'.
Better we have a registry tweak way, so that we can make a HoneyComb Toggle.
In some cases when I want more RAM, it's better to shutdown the honeycomb and the titanium today plugin.
So another question is do we have a tool to toggle the titanium? Like we can do to M2D? I know we can do it through today settings, but I'm looking for a way like regitweak or mortscript, so that I can use a shortcut to map it to a hardware button, do it within one touch.
[Edit: Got some sence for the half of first question from this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=509160&highlight=start+menu
Seems the WM6.5 honeycomb start menu is an executable called shell32.exe. If so we can shut it down with a powerful task manager like DotFred's TaskMgr.exe or let it show up in the htc task manager by registry tweak and kill it. Will report it back after I test it next week. Or anybody can test it right now?
But the first question still need an answer.
Edit3: So what is the process or service of the WM6.1 start menu ? (for that I think it's not an exe) This may help to answer the question of how to resemble old start menu back.
And then what is titanium? An exe, a process or a service? Got a name?]
Thanks for any help.

there isnt!
there isnt a way to back to 6.1 start menu...
but you can use the Qucik menu that is a lil same... but you need to leave blank the cpr file for grid scene on your windows folder... then use the Quick menu that Utaker post on devs and hack forum just search with this exact words " Quickmenu instead honeycomb" you may get all the answer you need there... Oh and the honey comb can be modded in maaaany ways just search all over the devs a nd hack sections
thanks bye.

I want more quicklinks, same wallpaper at all tabs, without HDWall!

I've tried "Vovichek_Jamrecords_20shcut". It not only generated duplicated shortcut at start menu, but also disabled the wallpaper.
I've reviewed HDWall, but it is complicated for casual use.
Any other alternative?
I just want to:
1. add more quicklinks at home tab
2. display the same wallpaper at all tabs
btw, any way to make the task bar and bottom button bar transparent?
Thanks.

no one have idea?

camper said:
I've tried "Vovichek_Jamrecords_20shcut". It not only generated duplicated shortcut at start menu, but also disabled the wallpaper.
I've reviewed HDWall, but it is complicated for casual use.
Any other alternative?
I just want to:
1. add more quicklinks at home tab
2. display the same wallpaper at all tabs
btw, any way to make the task bar and bottom button bar transparent?
Thanks.
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My only suggestion would be to review your comment about HDWall, that "it is complicated for casual use." Just follow the steps on the thread on how to do it. It's eeeeeeasy! It makes a cab file that gives you exactly what you want - wallpaper on all tabs and the task bar and bottom bar transparent. (They're the default settings!!) Just make sure you get the latest version.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3616825&postcount=1
As for more quick links, the Vovichek_Jamrecords one works perfectly with HDWall.
Seriously - get over the fear of HDWall. It really is that simple!

Totally agree with the above. With Hdwall unless you're changing wallpaper every 5 minutes I don't see how it could be classed as complicated. I've made 5 new wallpapers today and now got them all on the phone ready to change as and when I'm bored of the current one. It's the time it takes for a cab install to change them. ie. a minute or so with a softreset.

im personally looking for something between hdwall and maxmanilla, any of that exists? i really like maxmanilla (maxtt?) but im really trown off by the fact that 'random' regions of the screen control the layout, id rather just have a menu somewhere (like maxmanilla 2.6 if not mistaken)
Any chance those two guys could work toghether to make a even better manilla replacement? just a thought

suicidal.banana said:
Any chance those two guys could work toghether to make a even better manilla replacement?
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I guess you'd have to ask them

I would like to use HDwall but I don't know how to start the program. HDWall.exe doesn't work on my computer. I get an error report : the application failed to initialize properly ... It doesn't work on HD2 either. Please help...

traianboala said:
I would like to use HDwall but I don't know how to start the program. HDWall.exe doesn't work on my computer. I get an error report : the application failed to initialize properly ... It doesn't work on HD2 either. Please help...
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grg....hasdone it'i put a link I'm first thread.

is there an automated wallpaper changer that works on HD2?
Tried AntWorks Auto Wallpaper Changer but it doesn't work on the Sense interface.

It messes my Sense UI on HD2, appears corrupted after a while. Is there a better program to change automatically Home wallpaper??

[REQ] Manilla sliding pages like iPhone

Hy Guys....
just a quick question to all Manilla Chefs out there....
i had the idea to edit the Manilla, when its possible, to get a Sliding Manilla...
i mean if you look at the iPhone, when you drag the Screnns to the side the next Screenwill smoothly slide in...
in Manilla, whipping with the finger on the screen just manilla jumps to the next page...
i think it shouldn't be the Problem to get the pages too slide, the bottom slider did the trick allready... just want this "goodie" on the hole manilla...
and i doenst need to get the greyed out and big tab Icons while sliding...
hope you understand what i mean...
just an idea but someone has some ideas or knowledge to did this trick!

I remember when the Diamond and Manila 1.0 first came out, there was an animation each time you changed tabs in Manila. It was deacticated later since it was way too slow and people wanted their TF3D experience fast and snappy.

its not very handy to have the slide function as per iphone as:
say you want to go to the second last page, the mannilla scroll bar allows to get there in a single controlled swype but if you had the page scroll like the iphone you would have to scroll through each page or scroll backwards (if its possible) to get to that page.
the point im trying to make is the iphone scroll may well look pretty but the single swipe manilla scroll bar is far more efficient! ask yoursel, is it usefull?

I understand that it wouldn't work very well if it were like the iPhone. Personally I would just like to see the animation back like it was when the diamond came out, I know it was slow then but surly out snapdragon should lap it up now?......

i can confirm that i had the multi swap idea earlier...
nothing to complain about that... this not as handy like now is...
but it looks more smooth...
i found a youtube video where you can see the "old" manilla style did this... its not just swipe the page... .. that was the cause because htc calls his interface 3D ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6TLqDcAJDo
look around 5:40 .... there the guy starts to use it...
maybe its still in the sense? only disabled as we did on tfl3d on diamond by our own? any one knows the keys anymore?? just searched the forum but didn't find something...

hey correct me if i'm wrong...
the 3d slide effects only happens on diamond when clicking a tab...
when sliding the figer over the tab bar it is like in sense 2.5 ... big curtain with big tab icon will apear??

futureshock said:
i can confirm that i had the multi swap idea earlier...
nothing to complain about that... this not as handy like now is...
but it looks more smooth...
i found a youtube video where you can see the "old" manilla style did this... its not just swipe the page... .. that was the cause because htc calls his interface 3D ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6TLqDcAJDo
look around 5:40 .... there the guy starts to use it...
maybe its still in the sense? only disabled as we did on tfl3d on diamond by our own? any one knows the keys anymore?? just searched the forum but didn't find something...
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Thats it, I want that back!! Looks so much slicker!!

hey again... i found something...
it wasent a tweak what disabled it...
it was htc himself...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2576833
tnyynt said:
No, fading effects were removed in latest updates to speed up transitions.
It's not due to tweaks, it's due to ROM update.
To get them back install older version of Manila with fade effects.
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but maybe its possible to get the animation back....

I agree, i think it looks crap when you swipe and tap and a tab and there is no animation. If it faded or slide it would be much better. Even the old style was really nice. I think it actually makes it feel more responsive too because its doing a animation while the page loads

futureshock said:
i can confirm that i had the multi swap idea earlier...
nothing to complain about that... this not as handy like now is...
but it looks more smooth...
i found a youtube video where you can see the "old" manilla style did this... its not just swipe the page... .. that was the cause because htc calls his interface 3D ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6TLqDcAJDo
look around 5:40 .... there the guy starts to use it...
maybe its still in the sense? only disabled as we did on tfl3d on diamond by our own? any one knows the keys anymore?? just searched the forum but didn't find something...
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Looks pretty slick! I'd like that back too.

Have a try with MaxManila 2.5 v 2.7 Main beta: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=551489
This gives you the possibility to swype from page to page (from left to right or vice versa).

what??? Where can i set this in MaxManila??? It´ll delete the animation for the shortcuts... but i cant see an option for a page sliding....

body85 said:
what??? Where can i set this in MaxManila??? It´ll delete the animation for the shortcuts... but i cant see an option for a page sliding....
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the only way to find this out is to install MaxManila 2.5 version 2.7 beta. After that you'll see that you're able to swype from left to right or vice versa without using the "bottom icons slider". It also will not delete your shortcut animations. It even will allow you to hide the shortcuts and bring them back with a swype of your finger from bottom to top of the screen. Read the post of the OP carefully to understand what this theme does.

kuzibri said:
the only way to find this out is to install MaxManila 2.5 version 2.7 beta. After that you'll see that you're able to swype from left to right or vice versa without using the "bottom icons slider". It also will not delete your shortcut animations. It even will allow you to hide the shortcuts and bring them back with a swype of your finger from bottom to top of the screen. Read the post of the OP carefully to understand what this theme does.
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........ok so u can slide without with from tab to tab... but the thread means a SLIDING ANIMATION...

would it be possible to take the animation files from the old manila and adapt them for sense?

kuzibri said:
the only way to find this out is to install MaxManila 2.5 version 2.7 beta. After that you'll see that you're able to swype from left to right or vice versa without using the "bottom icons slider". It also will not delete your shortcut animations. It even will allow you to hide the shortcuts and bring them back with a swype of your finger from bottom to top of the screen. Read the post of the OP carefully to understand what this theme does.
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ok doesn't really understand what you mean...
i can also swipe without maxmanilla without using the tabslider from page to page!!
just wipe obe the main aera...
what we want to get is an animation between the page slides...
dooing this now just jumps from one page to the other... not nice, and it feels and looks like a bit rough ... not as smooth as iphone did this... and i think the smoothnes factor that many iphones users evertime despite is this sluggish hopping page changing in manilla....
Microsoft did it a way better in the new 6.5 Starmenu... just look great and give a good feel...
also the Tab Slides is "animated" like we wannt... why HTC didn't do that onthe "mainpages" ???

loomx said:
would it be possible to take the animation files from the old manila and adapt them for sense?
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maybe yes...
its a starting point to look into an old cab and looks what manilla files did there...
but i'm far away from knowing the manilla depths that we need to implement them...
maybe one of the manilla gurus out there do the trick for us poor people

it would be so nice... if we can slide to the half...hold...and back... like in Iphone Today or Mobile Shell....