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One of the biggest complaints with Microsoft's Compact Framework 2 (CF2 for short) (and, consequently, with programs relying on it - Hitchhiker, SMS Notifier, Webby, IBE Mail etc.) has always been its storage needs, which, by default, is some 5.4 Mbytes. See for example this thread for users' opinions on the memory consumption on CF2 and their subsequent not wanting to install it.
I've always tried to reduce the main memory load on Pocket PC - with great success. Just search for the word-start "relocat" in the Pocket PC Magazine Expert Blog and on my old homepage for some examples of them. No wonder I've also decided to look into this, so far, unsolved problem to greatly help my fellow Pocket PC users. And, after a day's work and testing, I can present you a 100% working solution, which has been thoroughly tested on four of my WM2003+ PDA's, all with success. This IS a big thing, considering that internal memory is still precious, even with most Windows Mobile 5 (WM5) Pocket PC's. (For example, most WM5 PPC's are shipped with 128M of ROM, of which in general 40-45 Mbytes is free.) The situation is even worse with pre-WM5 Pocket PC's, where the available RAM is very rarely (only with devices shipped with 128 Mbytes of RAM) over 50 Mbytes, from which CF2 takes away 5.4 Mbytes.
Note that this will work on all Pocket PC and Pocket PC Phone Edition devices that are able to run CF2 (that is, all WM2003+ devices, including WM5).
The complete tutorial
* create a directory on your storage card or, if you have, in the built-in File Store. (Note that the files, as they are surely not needed at boot time (unlike some Today plug-in DLL's), may also be relocated to a storage card. That is, they don't need to be stored in the more scarce File Store - if it's available at all; that is, if you have a pre-WM5 device). Let's assume you give this directory the name "DLLs".
* move the following files from \Windows to this directory:
cgacutil.exe
MSCOREE2_0.dll
netcfagl2_0.dll
netcfd3dm2_0.dll
GAC_CustomMarshalers_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_Microsoft.VisualBasic_v8_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_Microsoft.WindowsCE.Forms_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_Microsoft.WindowsMobile.DirectX_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_mscorlib_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Data_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Drawing_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Messaging_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Net.IrDA_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Web.Services_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Windows.Forms.DataGrid_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Windows.Forms_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System.Xml_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
GAC_System_v2_0_0_0_cneutral_1.dll
(netcf2_0license.txt can also be copied here - or just deleted.)
This means only Microsoft .NET CF 2.0.GAC and mscoree.dll needs to stay in \Windows. Never ever try to touch the former (Microsoft .NET CF 2.0.GAC). Even if you copy it back to \Windows (after starting any CF2-dependent app), CF2 won't work again until you reinstall it.
Copying the files can be done in several ways, of which I show the one way that requires no third-party apps, that is, without having to resort to, for example, the WindowsCE File System plug-in of the desktop-based Total Commander.
Start the built-in (Pocket) File Explorer and navigate to \Windows. Tap and hold an empty (not highlighting any file or directory) region anywhere (for example, the end of the list) and enable "View All files" in the context menu:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Now, click the "Name" drop-down menu in the upper right corner; a "Sort By" list will be displayed, defaulting to "Name". Switch it to "Date":
Scroll to the region with filedates of Aug 26 and, with cgacutil.exe, 27, 2005 (this is the easiest way to find the files) and mass-highlight all files that are listed in the above list. Note that mscoree.dll should not be highlighted (as has been pointed out, it should be left in \Windows). Also note that the filedates of the current, 2.0 version of CF2 are all dated at Aug 26/27 last year. They will only have a different filedate if you've restored them from a backup. Then, they will have the timestamp of the restoration and you'll may end up having to hunting for them one-by-one, based on their name.
Now tap-and-hold the selection somewhere so that the context menu comes up. Choose Cut:
Go to the target directory (in this case, DLLs on your storage card); tap-and-hold an empty area and choose Paste:
The transfer of the files will start:
Note that you can also use other file handler tools on the Pocket PC; for example Resco File Explorer or Total Commander. In Resco, go to File/Options/Browser and make sure "Show all files" is chosen (instead of the default "Hide hidden files and files...") as can be seen in this screenshot.
* get a registry editor that is able to (flawlessly (!)) edit multiline strings (that is, all known, up-to-date registry editors except PHM Registry Editor and Total Commander; please check out The Ultimate Roundup of Registry Editors for the Pocket PC for a thorough explanation of why I don't recommend these two applications if interested). In this tutorial, I use Resco Registry Editor (Resco for short). It's commercial, but the 14-day, unrestricted trial version is fully sufficient for our purposes. Start it.
* First, we'll modify the so-called "System Path" (which is a bit similar to the PATH in traditional operating systems) so that it includes our new directory. To do this, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Loader:
Note that, in here, I've switched to "Tree Mode" in View/Show Tree View as can be seen in here.
Now, click SystemPath (highlighted in this screenshot); you'll be presented the following dialog:
Note that there may be some values already in the text input area in here. For example, if you've ever had SKTools or MemMaid relocate DLL's for you, the target directory will be in here. Also, by default (if you haven't ever touched the System Path), there may be a \Release\ or \windows\oem\ in here. These can be safely deleted as they're not used. You can, naturally, leave them in there; of course, then, you must make sure the new path is entered in a new row as can be seen in this x51v or this HTC Wizard (latest Qtek ROM) screenshot. Once again: you can safely delete them.
All you have to do is entering the full path of your new DLL directory in here. For example, if you've moved the CF2 files to a directory named DLLs on your storage card named CF-Card (Storage Card, CF Card, SD Card, SD-MMCard are also widely used), enter
\CF-Card\DLLs\
in here, as can also be seen in here:
Don't forget to add the leading and the trailing backslash characters (\)!
Now, click OK in the upper right corner and answer Yes:
In the list view, the new, just-entered value should be shown as can be seen in here:
Note that, again, if you want to keep the previous values of System Path, then, the new entry should be put in a separate row. For example, if the previous value of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Loader has been
\SD-MMCard\Programs\CrEme\bin\
\LOOXstore\DLLs\
then, you need to add the new value in a new row as can be seen in here:
* now comes a bit more complicated part. First, go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ .NETCompactFramework\ Installer\ Assemblies\ Global.
Note that, on some devices, in the above path, SOFTWARE may not (all) be uppercase. This varies from model to model and shouldn't be paid attention to. (Also note that I’ve added spaces after every backslash characters (\) in the above registry path so that the blog engine nicely renders it. In the reality, it should not contain any spaces!)
Here, look for names (on the left) that have 2.0 in them. Note that almost all values (except for CustomMarshalers, Microsoft.WindowsMobile.DirectX and Microsoft.WindowsMobile.DirectX, which have all been introduced in CF2 and didn't exist in CF 1.x) seem to be duplicated and their name will start with the same (Microsoft.*, mscorlib.*, System* etc.); it's only after this that they start to be different. One set of them will continue in Version=1.0, the other set will continue in Version=2.0. The only exception from this "must contain Version=2.0" law is the value starting with "Microsoft.VisualBasic, Version=8.0.0.0" (that is, 8.0 instead of 2.0).
In all these Version=2.0 values, you'll need to modify the original path referring to \Windows to the new home of the relocated files - for example, in our case, \CF-Card\DLLs.
In order to be able to see this as easily as possible, enabling Show Header in the View menu is highly recommended, as can be seen in here. Then, you'll be able to greatly increase the displayed length of the value names if you drag the header to the right. Of course, switching to Landscape and/or VGA mode (if possible) is highly recommended. Then, you'll be able to see the version number in all the values. For example, this screenshot shows a QVGA WM5 device in Landscape - here, it's also possible to increase the width of the "Name" column so that the version number can also be seen without having to click every value.
All you need to do is just click all the values that have Version=2.0 in their name (except, as has already been pointed out, the 8.0 Microsoft.VisualBasic) and just change \Windows to the new value in the first row. An example of this:
before:
after:
Another example of a changed value (WM5, QVGA device, with files relocated to \Storage Card\_):
and with the VGA x51v in standard VGA mode:
Note that, much as it refers to the main storage (\Program Files\.NET CF 2.0\), you don't need to pay attention to the second row in all these values. Just leave them there.
Consider using a PC-based Pocket PC controller tool to do this (please read this article for more info on them if not sure). Using them, you can speed up the registry modification by orders of magnitude, particularly if you use copy/paste to insert the new directory path.
After you've modified all the affected values, check once more if it was successful. Fortunately, you'll see all the names (showing that a given value is 2.0-specific) and values (showing whether it refers to the original \Windows directory in the main storage or somewhere else) on the same screen as in this screenshot.
You may also want to export the just-modified branch to a registry (.reg) file. Then, in case you reinstall CF2 and want to avoid hand-editing the entire stuff, you'll only need to reimport this file. To do this, tap-and-hold Globals in the upper, tree pane and choose Export:
On WM5 devices, you will also want to make sure the changes are flushed back to the ROM (as the Registry is kept in RAM and changes are rarely flushed back to ROM, which will result in a simple soft reset getting rid of all changes and, therefore, CF2 not working after the relocation). To do this, on many WM5 devices (like the HTC Wizard), just long-press the Power button. On some other devices, you must explicitly configure the device to shut the PDA completely down upon a long-press (instead of just dimming the screen). For example, on the x51v, you must go to Settings/System/Power/Power Button and enable "Full power off" instead of the default "Dim/light the display" as can be seen in this screenshot. You'll only need to power off your PDA for some seconds because it's before shutting it down that the Registry is flushed back to the ROM; that is, you can safely switch it back on instantly.
Congratulations! Now, the relocated CF2 will be working! If you've modified the System Path, you'll need to reboot; otherwise, you can start your CF2 apps right away.
Advanced remarks for geeks/advanced hackers
* Exporting, editing and re-importing the contents of HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ .NETCompactFramework\ Installer\ Assemblies\ Global (so that you can much easier change all occurrences of \Windows to the new path) just won't work because the values in here are multiline strings, which are exported as hexadecimal values by all export-capable Pocket PC-based registry editors (I've checked this!) like in here:
* The \Windows paths in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ .NETCompactFramework\ Installer\ Assemblies\ Reference (note that the last word is Reference, not Global!) don't need to be modified. Actually, you can even get rid of the entire subkey because it's not used at all.
* Technically, the GAC*.dll files don't need to be in the System Path; it's only with the other files (cgacutil.exe, MSCOREE2_0.dll, netcfagl2_0.dll and netcfd3dm2_0.dll) that must be. That if, you have already set up a relocated DLL directory somewhere in the System Path, you can safely move the files to there. It's in order to be as easy as possible for a novice user that I've instructed copying all relocated files to the same directory in the System Path.
one better make damm sure that one dont have any .net programs running when the pda is off too
because then the SD interface get shutdown to save power
and then programs which are running which depend on the framework crash and burn
Rudegar said:
one better make damm sure that one dont have any .net programs running when the pda is off too
because then the SD interface get shutdown to save power
and then programs which are running which depend on the framework crash and burn
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Yup, but you can also play with PNPUnloadDelay to avoid problems because of this (see http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44488 for more info).
how does this method compare to the way the new beta allows GAC to be installed to the storage card?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...53-a418-42d9-a481-19ba3ceca1a6&displaylang=en
from what another user told me, the beta allows you to install about 80% of the framework to the storage card.
-jeff
jeffreii said:
how does this method compare to the way the new beta allows GAC to be installed to the storage card?
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...53-a418-42d9-a481-19ba3ceca1a6&displaylang=en
from what another user told me, the beta allows you to install about 80% of the framework to the storage card.
-jeff
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Yes !!! Thanks for the council.
Before with the previous version of net framework 2 my free memory was of 25,80 Mb.
After to have installed the Sp1 new beta on the Storage Card is of 29,78 Mb.
Hi Menneisyys. Would MUCH appreciate your guidance;
I'm using a ROM image that works great - except that the CF 2.0 SP1 installation is buggy. I can't de-install it as it's not in my installed apps. Any idea what files I need to delete so the install proggie thinks it's gone and does a reasonable re-install? Currently the install proggie says "you already have this verison installed".
craigiecraigie4 said:
Hi Menneisyys. Would MUCH appreciate your guidance;
I'm using a ROM image that works great - except that the CF 2.0 SP1 installation is buggy. I can't de-install it as it's not in my installed apps. Any idea what files I need to delete so the install proggie thinks it's gone and does a reasonable re-install? Currently the install proggie says "you already have this verison installed".
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Unfortunately, it's not only files but also registry entries. Try deleting all the above-listed, 2.0-only (don't touch the CF1-specific ones!) registry entries.
Do you have WM5 or a previous OS? If you have the latter, I can send over an .unload file and a registry import so that you can directly delete these without any manual registry editing.
Menneisyys said:
Unfortunately, it's not only files but also registry entries. Try deleting all the above-listed, 2.0-only (don't touch the CF1-specific ones!) registry entries.
Do you have WM5 or a previous OS? If you have the latter, I can send over an .unload file and a registry import so that you can directly delete these without any manual registry editing.
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Hi Mennei, I'm on WM5 and would TRLUY appreciate a .unload file! Thanks a stack.
craigiecraigie4 said:
Hi Mennei, I'm on WM5 and would TRLUY appreciate a .unload file! Thanks a stack.
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Unfortunately, you can't easily hack WM5 (as opposed to pre-WM5 OS'es) to think it has a program installed - you don't have write rights on \Windows\AppMgr and, tehrefore, can't copy the (un)install DLL there. That is, with WM5, it's, to my knowledge, not possible to automatically remove stuff.
Menneisyys said:
Unfortunately, you can't easily hack WM5 (as opposed to pre-WM5 OS'es) to think it has a program installed - you don't have write rights on \Windows\AppMgr and, tehrefore, can't copy the (un)install DLL there. That is, with WM5, it's, to my knowledge, not possible to automatically remove stuff.
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hmmm.....
maybe if you installed a "dummy" program that would reference the appropriate uninstall file for CF2.0?
just an uneducated noob suggestion. (feel free to educate me! i'm always eager to learn)
blazoner said:
hmmm.....
maybe if you installed a "dummy" program that would reference the appropriate uninstall file for CF2.0?
just an uneducated noob suggestion. (feel free to educate me! i'm always eager to learn)
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It might work.
CF2 late question
I know there has been no action on this thread but as a late commer I was wondering if the CF files can be copied and included into the extended ROM (instead of the storage card) and then flashed onto the device?
mnazmi said:
I know there has been no action on this thread but as a late commer I was wondering if the CF files can be copied and included into the extended ROM (instead of the storage card) and then flashed onto the device?
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Yup, I think so - after all, when unlocked, the extended ROM is just another drive in the file system. WHEN unlocked, I think.
FYI
i downloaded the .Net CF2.0 SP1 fr http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...88-59e2-4eba-a70e-4cd851c5fcc4&DisplayLang=en
i selected Storage Card during the installation. all GAC* files are installed automatically\directly onto my Storage Card\Windows folder. when i checked on HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ SOFTWARE\ Microsoft\ .NETCompactFramework\ Installer\ Assemblies\ Global, all 14 2.0 and 8.0 entries are already with the correct folder path (\Storage Card\Windows). therefore, i only needed to move 4 files below onto the \Storage Card\Windows folder, and added value Storage Card\Windows\ into the SystemPath in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Loader
cgacutil.exe
MSCOREE2_0.dll
netcfagl2_0.dll
netcfd3dm2_0.dll
thanks for the tips!
(Note that if you’ve never heard of ignore_my_docs, you can safely skip this article. It’s only meant for users of previous Windows Mobile operating systems that would like to know whether ignore_my_docs is still in effect.)
There is still a lot of confusion caused by ignore_my_docs explained for example in THIS (this is the most important article!), THIS and THIS threads / articles.
WM5 (and, of course, all subsequent operating system versions), finally, got rid of this, for several Windows Mobile users, pretty confusing feature as is explained for example HERE or HERE.
In a nutshell: WM5+ is different from how earlier OS versions behaved if and only if they also contained an ignore_my_docs file in the root of the card and also a \My Documents directory. In this case, only the contents of \My Documents (and ALL its subdirs) were accessible, nothing else on the card. An example screenshot of my WM2003 HP iPAQ 2210 showing this in effect is in HERE (with removed ignore_my_docs) and HERE (with present ignore_my_docs). As you can see, in the former case, the content of the other directories on the card aren’t listed, only those of \My Documents on it (and, incidentally, all its subdirs – as opposed to the case of WM5+, where this is no longer the case).
All in all, under WM5 and later operating systems, it doesn’t make any difference whether there’s an ignore_my_docs file in the root of a storage card or not: the standard file dialog will see all directories - one directory deep. The latter also applies to \My Documents, unfortunately, as has also been explained HERE. This problem still hasn't been fixed.
Noticing this behaviour of WM5 I put a question about one year ago: how can I save my new files produced by Word, Excel and Notes to 'Storage Card\My Documents' by default, instead of the root of Storage Card. In WM5 and WM6 you can set these apps to save every new doc to Storage Card but you cannot specify any subdir -- unlike the older OS where My Documents was the "root".
Nobody answered so far.
So, I guess your post also means that there are no solution for the above described problem.
ctibor said:
Noticing this behaviour of WM5 I put a question about one year ago: how can I save my new files produced by Word, Excel and Notes to 'Storage Card\My Documents' by default, instead of the root of Storage Card. In WM5 and WM6 you can set these apps to save every new doc to Storage Card but you cannot specify any subdir -- unlike the older OS where My Documents was the "root".
Nobody answered so far.
So, I guess your post also means that there are no solution for the above described problem.
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Word / Excel Mobile use a different file selector; therefore, FDC / Pocket Plus can't help with them.
I don't have a definite answer to your question; I'll, however, try to look around / experiment. I'll post the answer into this thread if I find it.
Because people asked and didn't find the threat on MoDaCo, a small tutorial here. The example is from my Slide Panther theme, there is another one in make.zip. You have to write an *.inf for each cab you want to create. I t contains all files from a specific location and where they will be copied to. You can also specify reg keys.
[Version]
Signature = "$Windows NT$" <-- no changes needed
CESignature = "$Windows CE$" <-- no changes needed
Provider = "frauhottelmann" <-- change to your name
[CEStrings]
Appname="slide panther" <-- the name that will be displayed in the programs menu in settings
[CEDevice] <-- you don't have to change this for the vox
ProcessorType=0
VersionMin=5.2
VersionMax=6.0
[SourceDisksNames]
1=,"Source1",,"Home" <-- specify the name of your source and then the folder with your files (should be in the same location of the *.ini)
[SourceDisksFiles] <-- All files you want to copy have to be here. The 1 stands for Source1 mentioned above, if you have more than one sources (folders) you have to add it above and add an = 2 ... to the end of the corresponding files!
"Slide Panther.home.xml"= 1
"panther.jpg" = 1
"pantherlc.jpg" = 1
[CopyFiles1] <-- Here you have to list the files for one destination folder on the phone. More than one destiantion means more [CopyFiles2] etc.
"Slide Panther.home.xml"
"panther.jpg"
"pantherlc.jpg"
[DestinationDirs] <-- Specify the destinations for the above
CopyFiles1=0,"\Application Data\Home"
[RegData] <-- add reg data, the following is for string values, I don't know how to add dwords, but I never needed it!
HKCU,ControlPanel\Home,Scheme,,\Application Data\Home\Slide Panther.home.xml
[DefaultInstall] <-- Finally specify what you want to be installed, here every destination dir and reg data should be included
CopyFiles=CopyFiles1
AddReg=RegData
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Once your done with your *.inf, just drag'n'drop it onto the cabwiz.exe and it'll make a cab with the same name as the *.inf! Now you can install it!
Or the alternative, use this program!
BIIIIIIIIIIIIG thx to the german guy ;D
but don't we have to change the versionmax to 6.1 or we will get this stupid "this prog may not display correctly" message??
No, this is the version of WinCE not Windows Mobile, which is still at 5.2...!
Can this be used to install changes to the registry that will be lost after a hard reset?
Roland
Yes everything you install with a cab is lost after hard reset
Nice work...as always...
/**still waiting for german emulator image......same here for italian's one. **/
could you please be a bit more precise about those regkeys? what are all these commas? what are the folder, keys, values?
HKCU,ControlPanel\Home,Scheme,,\Application Data\Home\Slide Panther.home.xml
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HKCU = HKEY_CURRENT_USER
then after the comma the "folder" path, after the next comma the key name
then after the next comma comes the reg key type, so none is for a string, for others you have to search, because I don't know them. And finally after the last comma comes the value of the reg key!
funny thing, now that i was looking for th value-types i found the tutorial on modaco.
http://www.modaco.com/content/Smart...iscussion/235885/Tutorial-Creating-Cab-Files/
and here are the flags for diferrent types of registry entries:
[add_registry_section]
registry_root_string , subkey,[value_name], flags, value[,value]
[registry_root_string, subkey,[value_name], flags, value[,value]]
registry_root_strings
String that specifies the registry root location. The following table shows the values that are supported by Windows CE.
Root string Description
HKCR The same as HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT
HKCU The same as HKEY_CURRENT_USER
HKLM The same as HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE
value_name
Registry value name. If empty, the "(default)" registry value name is used.
flags
Numeric value that specifies information about the registry key. The following table shows the values that are supported by Window CE.
Flag Value Description
FLG_ADDREG_NOCLOBBER 0x00000002 If the registry key exists, do not overwrite it. This flag can be used in combination with any of the other flags in this table.
FLG_ADDREG_TYPE_SZ 0x00000000 The REG_SZ registry data type.
FLG_ADDREG_TYPE_MULTI_SZ 0x00010000 The REG_MULTI_SZ registry data type. The value field that follows can be a list of strings separated by commas.
FLG_ADDREG_TYPE_BINARY 0x00000001 The REG_BINARY registry data type. The value field that follows must be a list of numeric values separated by commas, one byte per field, and must not use the 0x hexadecimal prefix.
FLG_ADDREG_TYPE_DWORD 0x00010001 The REG_DWORD data type. Only the non-compatible format in the Win32 Setup .inf documentation is supported.
The following code example shows a typical [AddReg] section.
AddReg = RegSettings.All
[RegSettings.All]
HKLM,%reg_path%,,0x00000000,alpha ; <default> = "alpha"
got it from here http://www.sundialsoft.freeserve.co.uk/cabinfo.htm
could it be that we need to make a .inF (as it says in the instructions) file and not a .inI file?
Is it possible to delete registry entries??
Yes it's inf sorry. And I am not aware of a way to delete reg key with cabs!
Hi frauhottelmann,
It is realy great starting point for CAB maker. I will use this instructions for making my Sliding Panel Default Green cab for 6.1 ver 1.1 ROM.
I have found something really great for cab makers: http://www.gpcarreon.com/?p=524
Haven't tried it though!
EDIT: Under Vista it does, unfortunately, not work!
It DOES work, in compatibility mode!
look at this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575526
The link to the cab file first doesn't work. go to this page:
http://cotulla.pp.ru/StarTrek.html
and download the cabfile. enjoy!
None for WM5?
didn't test it. i don't know. (why use wm5)
oh well, just tell me if MINI SDHC Works? not the mini SDHC adapter thingi for MICRO SDHC
i want a MINI SDHC working on tornado naoooo
i don't think there is any difference between a "mini sdhc" and a "micro sdhc" with adapter to mini. The pinout should be the same and there is no "intelligence" in the adapter part. correct me if I'm wrong.
i don't have a mini sdhc card to test, but maybe someone else has.
Here are some pictures of the adapter/converters. maybe this will help:
http://www.camerahacker.com/Digital/Inside_miniSD_Adapter.shtml
walram said:
i don't think there is any difference between a "mini sdhc" and a "micro sdhc" with adapter to mini. The pinout should be the same and there is no "intelligence" in the adapter part. correct me if I'm wrong.
i don't have a mini sdhc card to test, but maybe someone else has.
Here are some pictures of the adapter/converters. maybe this will help:
http://www.camerahacker.com/Digital/Inside_miniSD_Adapter.shtml
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for micro sd or micro sdhc, the transfer rate is drastically low compared to a mini SDHC. and when u use a mini sd adapter for it, it will be uber slow. I would rather stick to my 2 Gig minisd card. (there are non SDHC 4 Gig ones too)
hi well im new but i test this patch and finally works im using kamikase rc7 wm6.1prof and load 8gb microsd with adapter and isnt slow have a good performance
Have something important to add! With these drivers SD performance doesnt degradate! Hence You get SDHC support and normal SD-card read/write speed. Check it out! I've uploaded it to FileFactory. Great thanks to comrad llnhhy (the developer)!
http://www.filefactory.com/file/a093fdb/n/llnhhy_SDHC_For_Tornado_20090726_CAB
PS
Cotulla's drives and certs arent needed anymore...Only install the software mentioned above.
myzhLAN said:
Have something important to add! With these drivers SD performance doesnt degradate! Hence You get SDHC support and normal SD-card read/write speed. Check it out! I've uploaded it to FileFactory. Great thanks to comrad llnhhy (the developer)!
http://www.filefactory.com/file/a093fdb/n/llnhhy_SDHC_For_Tornado_20090726_CAB
PS
Cotulla's drives and certs arent needed anymore...Only install the software mentioned above.
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Big thanks,super work! My test two card Tornado WM 6.1 Standard works OK.
myzhLAN said:
Have something important to add! With these drivers SD performance doesnt degradate! Hence You get SDHC support and normal SD-card read/write speed. Check it out! I've uploaded it to FileFactory. Great thanks to comrad llnhhy (the developer)!
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Not working here with Gregory's 6.5 ROM. I had previously installed Cotulla's, but I did uninstall that first.
Edit: redoing the install seems to have fixed it. And I (and CardSpeed) agree - much less stuttery and faster than Cotulla's, this with a Transcend 8GB class 6 micro-SDHC with Kingston Micro->Mini adaptor. So many thanks from here to the developer.
Thanks for confirmation of working state! Perhaps, i should consider purchasing larger-sized SD (currently only 128Mb).
Next card test OK WM6.1
Awssommeee!!!! i'm gonna try too!!!
Are there any results on the performance of the SD Card?
Check out the SKTools standard from http://www.s-k-tools.com/index.html?sktools/m_standard.html and look at the benchmark section for the SD card.
Using standard Cachesize (Auto) on the device the sk tools benchmark delivers a WRITE of ~450kB/s and a READ of ~880kB/s. I used a 16GB SanDisk Ultra class4 for this test. This is as good as it can get on the device
It does not work with WM5 though - so you have to use a cooked rom from WM6 onwards. I tested it with the Nitrogen WM6
The driver cab file inserts invalid data to the key
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Class\SDMemory_Class\High_Capacity value "IClass" which should be identical to
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Class\SDMemory_Class value "IClass"
as it is also for other sdhc aware drivers. It seems that the setting of the <parm name="IClass" value="<some-value>" datatype="multiplestring" /> requires special attention in separating the strings. I found a hint in a German forum :
<parm name="SomeTestString2"
value="string1string2string3ༀ 0;" datatype="multiplestring" />
<!-- multi strings separation with -->
<!-- multi strings ending with -->
After altering the _setup.xml in the cab file and re-creating it (otherwise identical) the values inserted in the registry for the value above is correct.
I suspect that the invalid setting is excluding the driver from handling the class "{8DD679CE-8AB4-43c8-A14A-EA4963FAA715}" which is found at HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\Interfaces value "{8DD679CE-8AB4-43c8-A14A-EA4963FAA715}" set to "Power-manageable block devices".
This could have resulted in not (properly?) doing power management, but this was demanded anyhow by another value set as
<parm name="DisablePowerManagement" value="1" datatype="integer" /> in the _setup.xml
Consequently the net-result of the fixed cab may just be the same as the orginal but for different resons. For those who want it, I have attached the fixed cab file below. You may want to play with enabling power management possibly?
I have further debugged the two SDHC cab files that are available (llnhhy_ and Cotulla_ ) for the StarTrek and the Tornado and the core function is de-facto identical.
The only file you need for the Tornado is the OMAP850_SDHC.dll which is (apart from the two different certificates they are signed with in either cab archive) identical. This also means that all the credits of making the SDHC work on the Tornado goes to Cotulla.
The other 2 files packed into the llnhhy_SDHC_For_Tornado... cab are the identical files that are in your cooked WM6 ROMs anyway (again signed differently only).
Also the fuzz about adding an own sub-key below
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\SDCARD\ClientDrivers\Class\SDMemory_Class
named
\High_Capacity
is useless on the Tornado, simply as the relevant dll (sdbus.dll) will not read this from the registry. The sdbus.dll from the StarTrek (Cotulla's cab) should read it there - and it also works on the Tornado without decreasing performance.
So why not using the Cotulla cab right away? Well, the 3.rd file contained - sdmemory.dll creates the big slowdown and should not be installed on the Tornado - and the Registry Key that the driver needs to work is not set in the installation cab.
So what?
The supplied file from llnhhy works as is and should not do any harm to the device. It unnecessarily installs two dlls and creates a reg-key that is never read.
The Cotulla cab is usable on the Tornado as well if you delete the non suitable sdmemory.dll after installation and add the registry key (see below).
Smallest footprint: just copy OMAP850_SDHC.dll to your \Windows directory and add one value to the registry: HKLM\Platform\ColdBootConfig = dword:1
I have added a simple cab to install this file - credits go to Cotulla for the OMAP850_SDHC.dll and to llnhhy to discover the one registry setting that makes the driver actually work.
And why all this?
It has given me back my Tornado - the best ever Windows Mobile Smartphone. Nothing that came after it could ever match the composition of features (WiFi) and form-factor (candybar).
I am currently cooking my own WM6 ROM on base of the Nitrogens Kitchen - no need for WM6.1 or 6.5 from my point of view. All my Homescreen Plugins already worked on WM5 and all the new nice sliding and animated stuff is not for me...
Have an eye on the latest HP Ipaq Voice Messenger already, but after my odyssee with the Benq E72 and the LG KS20 I am happy to be back to known grounds.
You can cook the driver into your ROM - its easy!
Now that I stepped in all traps, the final result is truely simple:
The registry key HKLM\Platform\ value (dword) ColdBootConfig=1 is mandatory or the driver will not operate.
I suspect (don't have a StrTrk) that the StrTrk has this value permanently set at ColdBoot and so also the altered driver for SDHC requires this setting. Logically the setting of this value is not present in the StrTrk relevant CAB from Cotulla.
So llnhhy seems to be the one who found out that this did the trick for the Tornado as well, packing just the same two related files (plus the surplus Reg Settings - see previous post) into an own cab for distribution.
So my thanks go to both of them finally
I have cooked it succesfully in my private cooked ROM (using Nitrogens kitchen) as a module:
1.) create a module from the OMAP850_SDHC.dll using reversmode (look up the G'Reloc thread)
2.) replace the created folder with the one in the Work\SYS\OEMDrivers\
3.) run G'Reloc, accepting the valules it presents (the come from the .VM folder as I understand) to realign the modules in the first VM slot without gaps or overlap. A little more insight on the VM is found here: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/VirtualMemory.aspx
4.) IMPORTANT: Add one line to the relevant *.rgu file of your directory (mine is 173a9ae3-aea7-4dda-a089-433f33821a1a.rgu) where the path HKLM\Platform\ is filled, in mine the section there now looks like:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Platform]
"Name"="Hornet Reference Platform"
"Type"=dword:2
"ColdBootConfig"=dword:1 ;required for OMAP850_SDHC.dll
5.) build your ROM.
One advantage of the module approach is that you do not have to care about certificates (and its the smallest as well).
Enjoy!
Take care about the microSD to miniSD adapter!
If you noticed intermittent problems with your microSD card (especially after inserting it new), take care that the adapter and both connections (card <--> adapter <--> device) are stable and clean.
I have set an adhesive tape around the miniSD fixing the microSD inside and additionally flapped the tape around for easier removal in case I have to remove the microSD. This is giving it an extra pressure to the connection inside the adapter from the battery above.
No problems observed since then any longer
Another thing to notice: If you have the problem that "suddenly" the card is no more detected, check if device settings have created a directory "Storage Card" - even if the card was not present once. This happens if you set system directories (like for IE cache) to the card.
The next time that the card is present it will be mounted as "Storage Card2" but all your links and settings will not point to it. So from first glance (looking at the startmenu) it seems that the card is not mounted still.
This will never cleanup automatically - so you may think microSD card support is broken suddenly, but it is not
To clean up:
rename the false "Storage Card" directory to another name
reboot
the card is mounted with the right name and all your links are back
look if anything was stored in the renamed directory, copy it to the card if needed and finally delete it.
Really this should be on the developers forum, but I cannot post there.
New 7" Chinese satnav, WINCE6.0.
cdFFM-0.3.5 put on TF card and run.
Errors in lines 2251, 2277, 2264, 2270, 2258 for info seem to be links, probably already there - pointing elsewhere.
After reboot many menu items don't work, run MortScript.exe (in root directory of ceFFM), this will allow the scripts to work thereafter, and the menu items work (note some are dummies - useful for modding).
It doesn't boot unless you do the simple kludge below.
To boot into ceFFM use "Navi Path" button to point Navigation to CEMenu.exe (in root directory of ceFFM), then check button takes you to cdFFM, then you can use "Navi Path" button to "Auto run GPS when startup" and you are straight into ceFFM.
[My path was SDMMC\cdFFM-0.3.5\CEMenu.exe, for example].
You then need to edit the navigator link in the programs directory.
In my case it was iGO8 so I edited SDMMC\cdFFM-0.3.5\PROGRAMS\iGO8.lnk to point to my navigator program like this:
23#"\SDMMC\iGO8\iGO8.exe"
The 23# is the number of characters in "\SDMMC\iGO8\iGO8.exe" (+1 for some reason)
Please note that quite a lot of the menu items in ceFFM are capable of brikking your device.
Now a question
OK, I know its poor form to reply to your own post but...
Two things still not sorted for this satnav:
1) A 480x800 version of NaviPlayer. I don't know how to set the skins to work.
2) The satnav will not load .CAB files. Even if I put wceload.exe and run it pointing to the required file, it just claims the .CAB file is not valid. I've tried quite a few, and I think they are. I presume its a means to prevent people modifying the device. Stand alone .exe's work just fine. Anyone got a fix for this, its really irritating!
If wceload.exe fails, and then probably only signed .CAB-files are accepted. Workaround: Allow installing unsigned .CAB-files. You do this by editing device's registry as
following:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Policies\Policies]
"00001001"=dword:00000001
"00001005"=dword:000000DE
"00001006"=dword:00000001
"00001017"=dword:00000010
"0000101a"=dword:00000001
"0000101b"=dword:00000001
HTH
jwoegerbauer said:
If wceload.exe fails, and then probably only signed .CAB-files are accepted. Workaround: Allow installing unsigned .CAB-files. You do this by editing device's registry as
following:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Policies\Policies]
"00001001"=dword:00000001
"00001005"=dword:000000DE
"00001006"=dword:00000001
"00001017"=dword:00000010
"0000101a"=dword:00000001
"0000101b"=dword:00000001
HTH
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That's neat...
OK, not that unexpectedly I find no entry \security\policies\polices .
"security" is found:
use\comm\security
machine\comm\security providers
machine\comm\security
machine\software\microsoft\Rpc\securityService
value: machine\software\Rpc ="DCOM Security"
machine\software\internet explorer\security
value: machine\software\internet explorer\security\basic = "security name"
machine\software\internet explorer\security\NTLM = "security name"
"policies" doesn't appear at all.
I found a reference to "username = guest", but neither appeared anywhere else.
I did spot in machine\OEM that value "app" is a path that points to the OEM menu system (main.exe).
May be possible to intercept here (if you wanted).
root\.cab is set to name "@"=64 value "cabfile"
hmmm... nothing that leaps out at you ...
bother!
farmeroz said:
That's neat...
OK, not that unexpectedly I find no entry \security\policies\polices .
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Create it!
OK I did that, rebooted.
A bit scary as I haven't added such things before...
Still doesn't work.
Attempting to 'run' nitro.cab (nitrogen renamed) fails
However the OS claims that there is no application associated with 'nitro'.
However .CAB is a cabfile under \root\
and a cabfile default icon is \SDMMC\ceFFM-0.3.5\system\wceload.exe,-101
shell\open\command is \SDMMC\ceFFM-0.3.5\system\wceload.exe\"%1\"
So (whilst I haven't a clue) I would expect .cab files to be spotted.
farmeroz said:
OK I did that, rebooted.
A bit scary as I haven't added such things before...
Still doesn't work.
Attempting to 'run' nitro.cab (nitrogen renamed) fails
However the OS claims that there is no application associated with 'nitro'.
However .CAB is a cabfile under \root\
and a cabfile default icon is \SDMMC\ceFFM-0.3.5\system\wceload.exe,-101
shell\open\command is \SDMMC\ceFFM-0.3.5\system\wceload.exe\"%1\"
So (whilst I haven't a clue) I would expect .cab files to be spotted.
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Use Win32 "MSCEInf" utility (it's freeware, google for it) to extract any .CAB file, if "wceload" doesn't work for you. After having extracted the .CAB, you are able to copy the application/data to any location of your choice at mobile device.
Oooh... That looks like a solution....
Didn't work. Can't see why though.
Hmmm. That editor shows (XML)
[Version]
Signature = "$Chicago$"
CESignature = "$Windows CE$"
Provider = "BenThon"
surely chicago is a win9x version?
I thought I had, but reading the long Nitrogen thread I don't think I did.
There doesn't seem to be a version for wince5/6, that's downloadable from anywhere, even though it exists somewhere because people have run on wince5 systems. Microfi is overworked...
I was somewhat under the impression that mobile was +- same as CE, but clearly not.
Signature="$Chicago$"
simply tells you the machine's OS the cab was built on[
I guessed that, sadly after I had posted.
Basically for my satnav I need a music player to play in the background, easily reachable from iGo8 (using megaduck99 skin, I have now got just how I want it!) nav screen and back. Really all I ever want to do is skip to the next track, as with 1000+ MP3's, sometimes you just aren't in the mood for some of them. Naviplayer (if it had an 800x480 skin) is finger usable for this whilst driving. Then (with bluetooth) I can just plug the satnav into my car radio (FM is rather poor quality) and utter perfection .... (who needs CD's these days?).
I'll have to have another stab at working out how to run the skins on naviplayer.
Your front end, particularly with the wealth of apps, is excellent. I have now put it on a no-name 7" netbook I use to backpack with, and now realise how slow it is compared to the more modern ones. Good enough for emails etc though.
NB I have been starting (manually) by running CEMenu.exe rather than ceFFM, is that what you intended?
To reskin NaviPlayer it merely suffices to have a folder named "mpskin" containing the files for the required skin copied from the examples given.
Its not immediately obvious because there is no default skin file provided (eg the small gold one it defaults to).
The fonts aren't quite right, either size or location
I have come across a bug in some of the apps. If I open notepad and the file-open, the entry box is not within the screen just far enough off that you can't grab it to pull it down. This is also the case in word. Doubtless somewhere there is a file that sets the position, any ideas? Annoying because I can't edit the mpskn.skn file....
Modified MP3P.SKN inside NAVIPLAYER\MPSKIN
This should work for all the 'Simple 3.1" skins.
If you want a button to appear when minimised you will have to adjust the button size/position/etc .
This is done in/with [MAIN_MIN_WINPOS]
If you have a larger button (as I do) then you will need to make a button of the appropriate size to replace the one in
BACK_MIN.BMP
I haven't done one yet, for iGO8 it will need to be under the bluetooth one, and similar size.
Hope this is useful.
NB I have no loader files for NaviPlayer (last good mod), I got it included in ceFFM.
;====Modified MP3P.SKN
[MP3 INFO]
MP3_Ver=1.0
[MAIN_WINPOS]
Width=800
Height=480
[MAIN_MIN_WINPOS]
Left=66
Top=0
Width=60
Height=24
WidthOne=1
[TRACK_POS]
Left=572
Top=129
Width=60
Height=14
SubValue=17
[TIME_POS]
Left=188
Top=129
Width=90
Height=14
SubValue=17
[SEEK_POS]
Left=212
Top=152
Width=373
Height=9
[INFO_POS]
Left=280
Top=189
Width=150
Height=9
;SubValue=0
[STATUS_POS]
Left=387
Top=375
Width=64
Height=38
[TITLE_POS]
Left=218
Top=65
Width=366
Height=20
[VOLBAR_POS]
Left=466
Top=272
Width=162
Height=6
[PEEK_POS]
Left=173
Top=250
Width=250
Height=28
SubValue=7
[VOLSLIDER_POS]
Left=466
Top=271
Width=162
Height=10
SubValue=3
;[TIMESLIDER_POS]
;Left=216
;Top=179
;Width=369
;Height=10
[PLAYOPT_POS]
Left=561
Top=184
Width=147
Height=12
SubValue=30
;====================
;Button Position
;====================
[BT_PLAY_POS]
Left=331
Top=330
Width=140
Height=150
[BT_STOP_POS]
Left=474
Top=285
Width=178
Height=49
[BT_PREV_POS]
Left=147
Top=396
Width=180
Height=84
[BT_NEXT_POS]
Left=474
Top=396
Width=178
Height=84
[BT_OPEN_POS]
Left=0
Top=102
Width=140
Height=73
[BT_MODE_POS]
Left=661
Top=342
Width=139
Height=138
[BT_ALBUM_POS]
Left=0
Top=182
Width=140
Height=73
[BT_EFFECT_POS]
Left=660
Top=485
Width=130
Height=70
[BT_EQ_POS]
Left=661
Top=182
Width=139
Height=73
[BT_PRESET_POS]
Left=661
Top=261
Width=139
Height=73
[BT_MULTI_POS]
Left=0
Top=23
Width=140
Height=73
[BT_VOLDN_POS]
Left=147
Top=342
Width=180
Height=50
[BT_VOLUP_POS]
Left=474
Top=342
Width=178
Height=50
[BT_MUTE_POS]
Left=0
Top=261
Width=140
Height=73
[BT_EXIT_POS]
Left=661
Top=23
Width=139
Height=73
[BT_MINIMIZE_POS]
Left=661
Top=102
Width=130
Height=73
[BT_SHUF_POS]
Left=0
Top=342
Width=140
Height=138
[BT_MIN_NORMAL_POS]
Left=0
Top=0
Width=60
Height=24
[BT_MIN_NEXT_POS]
Left=62
Top=0
Width=4
Height=24
[BT_MIN_MUTE_POS]
Left=68
Top=0
Width=4
Height=24
;==============================
; IMAGE LIST
;==============================
[IML_NUMBER]
Width=16
Height=12
[IML_STATUS]
Width=32
Height=38
[IML_PLAYOPT]
Width=49
Height=12
;==============================
; COLOR Type : BGR (0xffffff)
;==============================
[COLOR]
Info=0xffffff
Title=0xffffff
Seek=0xffffff
PeekLeft=0xffffff
PeekRight=0xffffff
VolumeBar=0xd14a00
;==============================
farmeroz said:
Please note that quite a lot of the menu items in ceFFM are capable of brikking your device.
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You really experienced it? If so then you should specify them here to clarify things.
ceFFM's Original Thread
jwoegerbauer said:
You really experienced it? If so then you should specify them here to clarify things.
ceFFM's Original Thread
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Sorry for the delay, HDD MBR problems....
No, I didn't brick my machine, I am very cautious. However being able to play with the registry, hexeditors etc, is potentially hazardous.
Hmm, on reflection its a combination of not knowing what they all do, and not knowing my way round winCE. Ie ignorance.
String not closed
China gps KENMOO 7', wince 6. Hello, excuse my English. Trying to install ceFFM, the installation begins, but then the message: String not closed (mising quote)
Line 3631 (\ SDMMC \ ceFFM.mscr)
If (key EQ "Startup), and it's over. I can modify anything? Installing on SDcard. Thank you.